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quote:Originally posted by umbrarchist:
I have put together a reading list to address the education front but I mostly don't get any feedback on the books or the whole concept.
http://africanamericansovereignty.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=13
Education is too expensive and mostly boring the way the palefaces do it. I don't remember a single book the nuns gave us in grammar school but once I discovered science fiction I was often reading two books a week. I decided I was going into science or engineering before I gradusted from grammar school.
umbrarchist
ps - The list includes books about money and economics.
quote:Some students CAN'T READ PROFICIENTLY. Maybe starting with the basics is important prior to dealing with Sci Fi, etc?
This topic is more relevant now than when I posted it. I felt more optimistic than I do now. And I find irony in why I feel more cynical today than I did back in 2005 because I felt so great after Barack Obama was elected but I can't blame him for my cynicism, 2008 economic meltdown really hurt the black community and we are struggling to get some of that swagger back. Then it seems we are so flooded with negative narratives and events, perhaps its just we have become more aware of what is going on and its typically bad events that make the news. Perhaps being a news and current event junkie puts me in a bubble that impacts my view of the world.
Am I alone, have you become more cynical or more encouraged since 2005?
Can you point to any progress?
So if you can look at that list, what are your thoughts?
How hard is it to change?
I’ve been able to drop two addictions, drinking and chain smoking. There’s other kind of dsyfunctional habits that stand in my way every day. Nietzche said that people are largely lazy and passionate. This indisputably applies to all people everywhere.
The question arises, how do we activate our will to overcome our non-constructive habits. One way is to use will-power. The evidence before each of us is that our habits already obstruct our will.
The next question that arises is how bad do you or I want power? How hard will we work to establish some money=power business niches? What if our ability to have power is in direct proportion to our desire to taste it? Mountains and valleys of inspired hard work can be accomplished by those with the will, the emotional and spiritual desire, to overcome the inner and the outer! Never give up!
Check out the Chinese - not to become like them – only to understand everything they do that we can apply to our own way. They work harder than the Europeans. Their children study harder and get the highest grades. They all want to drive BMWs and have expensive possessions. For them it is very much about keeping face and keeping up with the Chans. They historically come from an agricultural and heavy factory worker background and have been forced to work very much like slaves. This has weirdly given them the aptitude to work harder than anyone else. They lived like dogs for centuries.
For us, what is it? Drive comes down to how much any one person wants it because great inner and outer battles take time to train for and execute. What else? When else? What's it take to wake?
I had that smoking habit too. Could never get into drinking too much, the hangovers kicked my ass royally. 
Three drinks over the course of an evening was it for me, when I was a youngun. My cousin brought me a bottle of Bacardi Rum from Jamaica years ago; he died, the Bacardi is still here unopened. It's more than 15 years old.
Started smoking when I was eighteen. Was the thing to do back then. Everyone was into it, cigarette packs were dancing on TV in commercials. All the old movie stars spoke two lines, offered each other a cigarette throughout the movie.
A huge deterrent to smoking is that cancer scare that's looming in front of you and the doctor says he wants a full body X-ray to check lungs for a shadow seen and whatever else. No more smoking; no more shadow.
Lordy, lordy, lordy!!!! I haven't had a cigarette since June of 2014 and every time I THINK I want one, that nuclear X-ray machine looms into my consciousness and the desire goes RIGHT away. Claustrophobia kicked my behind royally in that thing for 20 minutes. Seemed like 20 years. I went into that thing a black woman and damn near came out a white one.
Because of smoking so many years, I have to hit an inhaler every morning once, for the rest of my life to quell shortness of breath. Can't imagine oxygen hanging out of this snoot every day for the rest of my life. Be looking like a black pelican sans the wings. Fortunately, it didn't go that far for me, but it damn sure could have. My Benson & Hedges.
Laying out in the boneyard is not MY CUP OF TEA. I'd like to postpone that for as long as I can, God willing.
I love kissing ALL my babies and showing them how much I love them. I like the little squirrels that run around in my backyard and the birds that come down for the bread laying out there for them, plus I LIKE breathing. Can't enjoy any of that dead.
How hard is it to change?
I’ve been able to drop two addictions, drinking and chain smoking. There’s other kind of dsyfunctional habits that stand in my way every day. Nietzche said that people are largely lazy and passionate. This indisputably applies to all people everywhere.
The question arises, how do we activate our will to overcome our non-constructive habits. One way is to use will-power. The evidence before each of us is that our habits already obstruct our will.
The next question that arises is how bad do you or I want power? How hard will we work to establish some money=power business niches? What if our ability to have power is in direct proportion to our desire to taste it? Mountains and valleys of inspired hard work can be accomplished by those with the will, the emotional and spiritual desire, to overcome the inner and the outer! Never give up!
Check out the Chinese - not to become like them – only to understand everything they do that we can apply to our own way. They work harder than the Europeans. Their children study harder and get the highest grades. They all want to drive BMWs and have expensive possessions. For them it is very much about keeping face and keeping up with the Chans. They historically come from an agricultural and heavy factory worker background and have been forced to work very much like slaves. This has weirdly given them the aptitude to work harder than anyone else. They lived like dogs for centuries.
For us, what is it? Drive comes down to how much any one person wants it because great inner and outer battles take time to train for and execute. What else? When else? What's it take to wake?
I hear you on needing the drive, willing to take on the battles.
The younger generations will have to want it and go into battle.
I think younger generations are old enough to clearly see the effects of unregulated capitalism, free market trade deals, the wealthy and corporations escaping paying their fair share of taxes, trickle down economics. They can clearly see how the rich older generation pulling up the ladder of upward mobility and benefits behind them. But what they see more clearly is the callous and greedy pathology of the billionaire class and the big business establishment.
They saw the unnecessary war in Iraq and the devastation it brought on families. And what did these veterans come home to, less jobs, less benefits and many of them committing suicide. Meanwhile the rich are getting richer the middle class from where they came is eroding and their prospects of living an equal or higher lifestyle are diminished.
They saw electing a president who looks and spoke different than a white male made little difference in policy that made life better and easier for them. And how this so called democratic republic is really an oligarchy, kleptocracy, plutocracy anything but a government ran by the people.
They see how the Supreme Court is biased against common people and rule overwhelmingly in favor of the rich and paved laws, Citizens United, made corporations people and money speech, so the rich can exploit and rig this so called democracy with money, buy influence and power.
They saw how the banking criminals got away with collapsing the economy and was bailed out with not one of them going to jail, not one bank paid the consequences but became bigger.
They see how the mainstream media, owned by big corp and is complicit in deflecting issues that should matter and are vital to common people but focus on drama and false equivalencies, clouding the issues to veil those behind the scenes who are rigging the economics.
But importantly they see how unchecked capitalism is ruining the Earth with Global warming, Climate change, pollution and killing civility with war and division.
Yeah I think if aliens are smart enough to traverse stars that would mean they have been civilized and peaceable long enough to attain that level of intelligence and wisdom could clearly see that we humans have a long way to go.
I still have not answered the topic question.... I'll get to it.
All of the above is achievable... and the fastest way to address these issues is galvanizing black institutions that already exists, where blacks gather regularly in big numbers to hear a message and incited toward common goals.
Black Churches
HBCU's
Black neighborhood associations
Black education organizations
Black social organizations
Black political organizations
Including the NAACP and The Urban League although they have been fruitless in the past.
All trying to attain a black social, business culture, building and maintaining it.
And I think the catalyst could be the HBCU's where black youth, energy and talent is concentrated that reaches out to blacks at all Universities. Reaching out to black churches and all black organizations linking young and older generations and all social classes.
Churches should change their ministry goals and priorities to change how blacks spend their money, focus on black businesses and education, investing, properly starting businesses and becoming a culture of base consumers of black businesses. There should be an advisory and mentor organizations on how to provide good services and good business practices to run a successful business and promote them within all black churches and all black organizations to patronize them.
I think the social climate is ripe for this scenario to happen.
How hard is it to change?
I’ve been able to drop two addictions, drinking and chain smoking. There’s other kind of dsyfunctional habits that stand in my way every day. Nietzche said that people are largely lazy and passionate. This indisputably applies to all people everywhere.
The question arises, how do we activate our will to overcome our non-constructive habits. One way is to use will-power. The evidence before each of us is that our habits already obstruct our will.
The next question that arises is how bad do you or I want power? How hard will we work to establish some money=power business niches? What if our ability to have power is in direct proportion to our desire to taste it? Mountains and valleys of inspired hard work can be accomplished by those with the will, the emotional and spiritual desire, to overcome the inner and the outer! Never give up!
Check out the Chinese - not to become like them – only to understand everything they do that we can apply to our own way. They work harder than the Europeans. Their children study harder and get the highest grades. They all want to drive BMWs and have expensive possessions. For them it is very much about keeping face and keeping up with the Chans. They historically come from an agricultural and heavy factory worker background and have been forced to work very much like slaves. This has weirdly given them the aptitude to work harder than anyone else. They lived like dogs for centuries.
For us, what is it? Drive comes down to how much any one person wants it because great inner and outer battles take time to train for and execute. What else? When else? What's it take to wake?
How hard is it to change?
I’ve been able to drop two addictions, drinking and chain smoking. There’s other kind of dsyfunctional habits that stand in my way every day. Nietzche said that people are largely lazy and passionate. This indisputably applies to all people everywhere.
The question arises, how do we activate our will to overcome our non-constructive habits. One way is to use will-power. The evidence before each of us is that our habits already obstruct our will.
The next question that arises is how bad do you or I want power? How hard will we work to establish some money=power business niches? What if our ability to have power is in direct proportion to our desire to taste it? Mountains and valleys of inspired hard work can be accomplished by those with the will, the emotional and spiritual desire, to overcome the inner and the outer! Never give up!
Check out the Chinese - not to become like them – only to understand everything they do that we can apply to our own way. They work harder than the Europeans. Their children study harder and get the highest grades. They all want to drive BMWs and have expensive possessions. For them it is very much about keeping face and keeping up with the Chans. They historically come from an agricultural and heavy factory worker background and have been forced to work very much like slaves. This has weirdly given them the aptitude to work harder than anyone else. They lived like dogs for centuries.
For us, what is it? Drive comes down to how much any one person wants it because great inner and outer battles take time to train for and execute. What else? When else? What's it take to wake?
I totally agree and as a whole we humans have got to get out of being ruled by this pathology of unrelenting, unchecked and self destructive capitalism that is making more humans to think me instead of we and everything including the destruction of our environment boils down to short term profits and perpetual exploitation.
How hard is it to change?
I’ve been able to drop two addictions, drinking and chain smoking. There’s other kind of dsyfunctional habits that stand in my way every day. Nietzche said that people are largely lazy and passionate. This indisputably applies to all people everywhere.
The question arises, how do we activate our will to overcome our non-constructive habits. One way is to use will-power. The evidence before each of us is that our habits already obstruct our will.
The next question that arises is how bad do you or I want power? How hard will we work to establish some money=power business niches? What if our ability to have power is in direct proportion to our desire to taste it? Mountains and valleys of inspired hard work can be accomplished by those with the will, the emotional and spiritual desire, to overcome the inner and the outer! Never give up!
Check out the Chinese - not to become like them – only to understand everything they do that we can apply to our own way. They work harder than the Europeans. Their children study harder and get the highest grades. They all want to drive BMWs and have expensive possessions. For them it is very much about keeping face and keeping up with the Chans. They historically come from an agricultural and heavy factory worker background and have been forced to work very much like slaves. This has weirdly given them the aptitude to work harder than anyone else. They lived like dogs for centuries.
For us, what is it? Drive comes down to how much any one person wants it because great inner and outer battles take time to train for and execute. What else? When else? What's it take to wake?
The point was not about going Chinese. It was about motivation and the power of desire to spark movement to change our economic situation.
The biggest way I think Black people could get their needs addressed is to abandon all hope and all forgiveness.
Abandon all ideals you ever had, you ever will have and realize the truth that meets us everyday:
You only have one life, you only have one chance, you can and will die. Only thing that lives on are your children and your achievements.
What has the African race achieved since idk, Arab Conquest in West Africa - nothing.
What is the status of our children? It's laughable.
You shouldn't have any type of hope. I don't have hope. I believe it's perfectly reasonable for the African race to be the perfect global underclass for the rest of the world for another 500 years.
You should have a drive to survive and thrive. To grow. To be strong. To dominate. To die with acclaim and greatness. Not just be another nigga dead due to police, thug life, heart disease, STDs and obesity. Not just be another 9 to 5er, struggling to make ends meet. Not just be content with hearing another White Liberal or Black sellout liberal sweet talk you into believing your situation will change if you vote.
You shouldn't hope for anything at this point. There's nothing to hope for. There's nothing the African race has shown, and I mean absolutely nothing, we have shown that we have a drive to survive and to dominate others.
That's all racism is about at the end of the day. A drive to survive and to dominate others.
Get rid of this, "One day we shall overcome" mentality. Get rid of this, "We just need to fit in" mentality. Get rid of this, "We can't be angry and hateful" mentality.
We should be angry and hateful, we shouldn't wanna fit in with anybody. Fuck everybody. Being angry and hateful and wanting to break away is a perfectly reasonable mentality.
The world hasn't been friendly to us, we shouldn't be friendly to them.
There can be no plan without a change in mentality. The African mentality is fucked. We do the same thing over and over because there's something within the African conscious, that just desires to be dominated, thoroughly dominated by other races.
We don't even have fucking terrorists group resisting. At least the Arabs got that. At least the Arabs got got damn ISIS. There's no resistance anywhere. The Chinese sabotages the Western World daily. Near about all the former Asian colonies are doing fine, Africa can't even build anything without the Chinese.
It doesn't have to be all of us. It just need to be a few. And I mean like 50 of us on each continent few. A group of us is gonna have to be a pull the rest of us up from the status of a bumbling underclass that can't do anything resembling a civilization.
The biggest way I think Black people could get their needs addressed is to abandon all hope and all forgiveness.
Abandon all ideals you ever had, you ever will have and realize the truth that meets us everyday:
You only have one life, you only have one chance, you can and will die. Only thing that lives on are your children and your achievements.
What has the African race achieved since idk, Arab Conquest in West Africa - nothing.
What is the status of our children? It's laughable.
You shouldn't have any type of hope. I don't have hope. I believe it's perfectly reasonable for the African race to be the perfect global underclass for the rest of the world for another 500 years.
You should have a drive to survive and thrive. To grow. To be strong. To dominate. To die with acclaim and greatness. Not just be another nigga dead due to police, thug life, heart disease, STDs and obesity. Not just be another 9 to 5er, struggling to make ends meet. Not just be content with hearing another White Liberal or Black sellout liberal sweet talk you into believing your situation will change if you vote.
You shouldn't hope for anything at this point. There's nothing to hope for. There's nothing the African race has shown, and I mean absolutely nothing, we have shown that we have a drive to survive and to dominate others.
That's all racism is about at the end of the day. A drive to survive and to dominate others.
Get rid of this, "One day we shall overcome" mentality. Get rid of this, "We just need to fit in" mentality. Get rid of this, "We can't be angry and hateful" mentality.
We should be angry and hateful, we shouldn't wanna fit in with anybody. Fuck everybody. Being angry and hateful and wanting to break away is a perfectly reasonable mentality.
The world hasn't been friendly to us, we shouldn't be friendly to them.
There can be no plan without a change in mentality. The African mentality is fucked. We do the same thing over and over because there's something within the African conscious, that just desires to be dominated, thoroughly dominated by other races.
We don't even have fucking terrorists group resisting. At least the Arabs got that. At least the Arabs got got damn ISIS. There's no resistance anywhere. The Chinese sabotages the Western World daily. Near about all the former Asian colonies are doing fine, Africa can't even build anything without the Chinese.
It doesn't have to be all of us. It just need to be a few. And I mean like 50 of us on each continent few. A group of us is gonna have to be a pull the rest of us up from the status of a bumbling underclass that can't do anything resembling a civilization.
Its going to be interesting to look back on this post like ten years from now.
A storm is brewing.... its hard to say how and who will be the winners and losers but it will be a class war between common people and the kleptocracy establishment. The portents of it in regards to race relations will likely be positive. I do think it will take decades for real change to take hold but this status quo is not sustainable. Old ideas and attitudes, religion, social caste systems, top down elite domination, economic slavery, social royalty are remnants from the Dark Ages. Slowly these attitudes are dying out.
Keep in mind humans have only been reading and writing for 4 or 5 thousand years, during which the vast majority of generations was illiterate, living with superstitions, ignorance and Dark Age customs, we are still trying to figure out civility.
This planet is really kind of small, things will have to be managed more closely to maintain a decent level quality of life.
The biggest way I think Black people could get their needs addressed is to abandon all hope and all forgiveness.
Abandon all ideals you ever had, you ever will have and realize the truth that meets us everyday:
You only have one life, you only have one chance, you can and will die. Only thing that lives on are your children and your achievements.
What has the African race achieved since idk, Arab Conquest in West Africa - nothing.
What is the status of our children? It's laughable.
You shouldn't have any type of hope. I don't have hope. I believe it's perfectly reasonable for the African race to be the perfect global underclass for the rest of the world for another 500 years.
You should have a drive to survive and thrive. To grow. To be strong. To dominate. To die with acclaim and greatness. Not just be another nigga dead due to police, thug life, heart disease, STDs and obesity. Not just be another 9 to 5er, struggling to make ends meet. Not just be content with hearing another White Liberal or Black sellout liberal sweet talk you into believing your situation will change if you vote.
You shouldn't hope for anything at this point. There's nothing to hope for. There's nothing the African race has shown, and I mean absolutely nothing, we have shown that we have a drive to survive and to dominate others.
That's all racism is about at the end of the day. A drive to survive and to dominate others.
Get rid of this, "One day we shall overcome" mentality. Get rid of this, "We just need to fit in" mentality. Get rid of this, "We can't be angry and hateful" mentality.
We should be angry and hateful, we shouldn't wanna fit in with anybody. Fuck everybody. Being angry and hateful and wanting to break away is a perfectly reasonable mentality.
The world hasn't been friendly to us, we shouldn't be friendly to them.
There can be no plan without a change in mentality. The African mentality is fucked. We do the same thing over and over because there's something within the African conscious, that just desires to be dominated, thoroughly dominated by other races.
We don't even have fucking terrorists group resisting. At least the Arabs got that. At least the Arabs got got damn ISIS. There's no resistance anywhere. The Chinese sabotages the Western World daily. Near about all the former Asian colonies are doing fine, Africa can't even build anything without the Chinese.
It doesn't have to be all of us. It just need to be a few. And I mean like 50 of us on each continent few. A group of us is gonna have to be a pull the rest of us up from the status of a bumbling underclass that can't do anything resembling a civilization.
Break away. Create it!
If you want your needs addressed, you'll have to address your needs, because no one white in this country gives a shit about you or your needs. They believe they need for us to abandon the American Ship like yesterday, and if we don't they'll make us abandon it by putting us to sleep permanently. KAPOW!!!!!
Those attitudes aren't dying out. Those attitudes only recycle themselves over and over again as economics turns over and over.
Europeans and Asians, specifically Enlightenment era and Confucian philosophy, believed in getting rid of all those things.
And then we had Western Imperialism.
And Europeans were like, "Of course WE Believe in the Equality and non-Superstition regarding US. But Non White people, oh no. Africans? African men that like fucking animals that resemble monkeys to the point they lust after White women. We are the only sane, righteous, upstanding group of humans on Earth."
Mind you, Thomas Jefferson said that about Black men, the writer of the Declaration of Independence. Mr. Enlightenment Intellectual himself.
Confucius? "Lets get rid of nepotism and blah blah blah blah" And look how China is. People have been forced into slave labor. People have had their ability to travel to move. You got billionaire communists. They don't give a fuck.
Anything to advance the People's Republic.
Ideas recycle themselves, mostly based on economic and political circumstances. People believe in this idea of progress and it's not true. You have to be vigilante forever.
People don't change their minds, they respond to stimulus of the times.
When Western Europeans merchants and philosophers were getting bullied by nobility and the church - despite having more money and education
"All men are created equal."
When Western Europeans merchants and philosophers became a global superpower...
"We must go out into the world and teach all the nonwhites how to live..."
Economic and political circumstances change and advantages change and whatever moral/political philosophy that can legitimize the power that held by the elites is proposed to the masses.
Everything sounds nice and fuzzy when you are getting your ass kicked or on the come up. Then you come into power and realize what you must do to maintain your power and the people that will have to be sacrificed.
Look at Obama...
Went from Change is Going to Come to calling Black protesters thugs.
Only thing that stays consistent is the will to come to into power and the will to survive. Either you have the advantage or you don't. Either you can pivot or you can't.
Can't hang your hat on the politics of the times. Things change. Ideas are recycled based on economic and political power and who runs things.
When the church and royalty ran things, nobility mattered. When merchants and philosophers ran things, what you knew and what you owned mattered.
If you don't have the power yourself or not even looking to attain it like the African race, you can't think things are gonna get better for you when shit just happens to you.
African race don't determine the politics of the times, we don't determine the economics of the times, White people do. So whatever White people say, pretty much goes. Whatever White people determined for themselves, is determined for the rest of the world - especially Black people.
So the politics of the times I don't care about. I looked into the history enough to recognized, if you don't got the economy or the political power, then it doesn't matter. You'll be an old ideological relic as those that maneuver themselves to attain power will change the politics of the times.
Of course everybody is talking about racial healing.
Black people talking like Malcolm X again after years of that MLK talk.
White people sounding all remorseful and crying their eyes out.
Multiracial marches and shit.
What changed?
Nothing, just more Black people got murked than usual in the last 8 years.
". . . African men that like fucking animals that resemble monkeys" . .
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African men that like f--king animals? Where did you hear that from the KKK, Neo Nazis, ignorant, racist American and Western Whites?
I have never heard of any [Black] African culture, society, tribe, person, 'liking to 'f--k' animals . . .
Wow.
"U never read the Notes on the States of Virginia by Thomas Jefferson?
It's a paraphrased quotation of what Thomas Jefferson believed about Black people.
Thomas Jefferson believed that us Black men, fuck a monkey like animal, that resembles a Black woman, to the point, we lust after White women. And that monkey like animals prefer to have sex with Black women, just like Black men prefer to have sex with White women.Z"
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No, I've never read anything like that written by Thomas Jefferson. I have read about his White supremacist mythology beliefs that Black people were "inferior", etc., etc.
Can you post a reference? I would like to read any writings Thomas Jefferson wrote regarding any beliefs of his that Black men had sex with animals.
However, if he so believed that Black women "resembled" monkeys, or were "like an animal", what would that make him for having sex with them to the point of never even getting his own wife pregnant, but fathering children with these Black women that he supposedly believed "resembled" monkeys.
"U never read the Notes on the States of Virginia by Thomas Jefferson?
It's a paraphrased quotation of what Thomas Jefferson believed about Black people.
Thomas Jefferson believed that us Black men, fuck a monkey like animal, that resembles a Black woman, to the point, we lust after White women. And that monkey like animals prefer to have sex with Black women, just like Black men prefer to have sex with White women.Z"
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No, I've never read anything like that written by Thomas Jefferson. I have read about his White supremacist mythology beliefs that Black people were "inferior", etc., etc.
Can you post a reference? I would like to read any writings Thomas Jefferson wrote regarding any beliefs of his that Black men had sex with animals.
However, if he so believed that Black women "resembled" monkeys, or were "like an animal", what would that make him for having sex with them to the point of never even getting his own wife pregnant, but fathering children with these Black women that he supposedly believed "resembled" monkeys.
