http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04...ype=article&_r=1

 

Forcing Black Men Out of Society


 
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An analysis in The Times — “1.5 Million Missing Black Men” — showed that more than one in every six black men in the 24-to-54 age group has disappeared from civic life, mainly because they died young or are locked away in prison. This means that there are only 83 black men living outside of jail for every 100 black women — in striking contrast to the white population, where men and women are about equal in numbers.

This astounding shortfall in black men translates into lower marriage rates, more out-of-wedlock births, a greater risk of poverty for families and, by extension, less stable communities. The missing men should be a source of concern to political leaders and policy makers everywhere.

While the 1.5 million number is startling, it actually understates the severity of the crisis that has befallen African-American men since the collapse of the manufacturing and industrial centers, which was quickly followed by the “war on drugs” and mass imprisonment, which drove up the national prison population more than sevenfold beginning in the 1970s.

In addition to the “missing,” millions more are shut out of society, or are functionally missing, because of the shrinking labor market for low-skilled workers, racial discrimination or sanctions that prevent millions who have criminal convictions from getting all kinds of jobs. At the same time, the surge in imprisonment has further stigmatized blackness itself, so that black men and boys who have never been near a jail now have to fight the presumption of criminality in many aspects of day-to-day life — in encounters with police, in schools, on the streets and on the job.

The data on missing African-American men is not particularly new. Every census for the last 50 years has shown the phenomenon.

In earlier decades, premature death played a larger role than it does today. But since the 1980s, the rising number of black men who were spared premature death was more than offset by the growing number shipped off to prison, many for nonviolent drug offenses. The path to that catastrophe was paved by what the sociologist William Julius Wilson described as “the disappearance of work,” which devastated formerly coherent neighborhoods.

As deindustrialization got underway, earnings declined, neighborhoods grew poorer and businesses moved to the suburbs, beyond the reach of inner city residents. As Mr. Wilson wrote in his 1996 book, “When Work Disappears,” for the first time in the 20th century, most adults in many poor inner-city neighborhoods were not working.

Joblessness became the norm, creating a “nonworking class,” that lived in segregated areas where most residents could not find jobs or had given up looking. In Chicago, where, Mr. Wilson carried out his research, employers wrote off the poor by not advertising in places where they could see the ads. The situation was so grave in 1996 that he recommended the resurrection of a Works Progress Administration-like strategy, under which the government would provide public employment to every American over 18 who wanted it.

The stigmatization of blackness presents an enormous obstacle, even to small boys. Last year, for example, the Department of Education reported that black children were far more likely to be suspended from school — even from preschool — than white children. Federal cases also show higher rates of public school suspensions for minority students than for white students for identical behavior, suggesting that racial discrimination against black males starts very early in life.

The sociologist Devah Pager, a Harvard professor who has meticulously researched the effect of race on hiring policies, has also shown that stereotypes have a powerful effect on job possibilities. In one widely cited study, she sent carefully selected test applicants with equivalent résumés to apply for low-level jobs with hundreds of employers. Ms. Pager found that criminal convictions for black men seeking employment were virtually impossible to overcome in many contexts, partly because convictions reinforced powerful, longstanding stereotypes.

The stigma of a criminal record was less damaging for white testers. In fact, those who said that they were just out of prison were as likely to be called back for a second interview as black men who had no criminal history at all. “Being black in America today is just about the same as having a felony conviction in terms of one’s chances of finding a job,” she wrote in her book, “Marked: Race, Crime and Finding Work in an Era of Mass Incarceration.”

In recent months, the many grievous cases of unarmed black men and boys who were shot dead by the police — now routinely captured on video — show how the presumption of criminality, poverty and social isolation threatens lives every day in all corners of this country.

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  As we know most of our missing black men are incarcerated, dead, in gangs, or with women outside their race.  Let's talk about the latter since many dudes don't wanna go there.  I will.  Lately, I've been observing young black life-since the death of Prince...more acutely.  Maybe cuz I like to find answers to why we as a people behave the way we do when we KNOW we are not liked or wanted in this country.  It would seem it would be MORE solidarity among us.  That's doesn't happen unless the po po kills one of us then it's damn near a city riot.  But I feel and have always felt that many of our black people continue to or deliberately MISS the point.  Could be why so many black men are missing.  And the insult to black cultural is when black men in public says that white women are much better than black women.  Then the fuming really begins.  Cuz what black woman wants to hear that in front of EVERYBODY?  And to deflect?   We wanna say this and that is happening but we refuse to say WHY it's happening or what's really bothering us.  Maybe that's  because many of us don't want to be accountable for our own actions toward each other.  Instead of facing the real truth?  We turn and blame massa.  When it wasn't massa calling me a bitch just cuz I turned my car unexpectedly without giving a signal.  Or when I don't feel like being preyed on so I ignore you...and I gotta be a bitch. Or maybe I wanna know why our young black men slobbering over brainless white whores while calling a black woman a bitch on video or in the black community. Cuz she IS the same bitch who  was marching for your dumb stupid ass just the other day.  I don't understand that.  Am I the only ONE "missing" something?

This may be why I am always walking down memory lane...and why I feel so good that I raised my children to have self-respect.  Cuz when you have self-respect you have respect for others.  I never taught my children to be self-entitled or privilege which many black families have-and I do understand why.  But it is such an injustice and disservice to our children when we do that cuz the fact is?  They are STILL hated in this country so they gonna need more social tools than just thinking that they're better. Social tools can't stop a bullet.  And quite frankly, they are no better just MORE human.  And that's the point that should be stressed cuz it gives them humanity which is totally "missing" in my neck of the woods.  Can't even extend or share your wisdom as parents without some young black fool  getting upset enough to wanna "cut" ya.  And all you're doing is trying to HELP THEM.  Why is that?  What is "missing" in our culture where we can even be HUMAN towards each other?  So if I am to believe that our missing black men is a conspiracy?  I also have to believe that we as a community allowed the "missing" black men to occur.  We don't wanna ADMIT it.  We don't wanna be ACCOUNTABLE for it.  But!  We had some hand in it in the way that our generation of black men were raised [80s and 90s].  When we accept that reality then we can go back to the drawing board and restructure how we are going to raise the next generation of black men.  I always heard growing up..."you can't spoil black boys.  You have to be harder on the boys than the girls."  Those terms were said for  a REASON.  We used to have black wisdom.  We used to have inner instincts about life in general and especially how to RAISE black children.  But now?  There are so many blacks AFRAID of other blacks.  We NEED to STOP that shyte.  And it doesn't matter if one is from the island and the other from the hood.  That bashing needs to stop and when it does?  Then maybe we can restore our cultural dignity where we won't [have to ] LOSE another black male...anywhere....anytime.  But! 

Kocolicious posted:

  As we know most of our missing black men are incarcerated, dead, in gangs, or with women outside their race.  Let's talk about the latter since many dudes don't wanna go there.  I will.  Lately, I've been observing young black life-since the death of Prince...more acutely.  Maybe cuz I like to find answers to why we as a people behave the way we do when we KNOW we are not liked or wanted in this country.  It would seem it would be MORE solidarity among us.  That's doesn't happen unless the po po kills one of us then it's damn near a city riot.  But I feel and have always felt that many of our black people continue to or deliberately MISS the point.  Could be why so many black men are missing.  And the insult to black cultural is when black men in public says that white women are much better than black women.  Then the fuming really begins.  Cuz what black woman wants to hear that in front of EVERYBODY?  And to deflect?   We wanna say this and that is happening but we refuse to say WHY it's happening or what's really bothering us.  Maybe that's  because many of us don't want to be accountable for our own actions toward each other.  Instead of facing the real truth?  We turn and blame massa.  When it wasn't massa calling me a bitch just cuz I turned my car unexpectedly without giving a signal.  Or when I don't feel like being preyed on so I ignore you...and I gotta be a bitch. Or maybe I wanna know why our young black men slobbering over brainless white whores while calling a black woman a bitch on video or in the black community. Cuz she IS the same bitch who  was marching for your dumb stupid ass just the other day.  I don't understand that.  Am I the only ONE "missing" something?

 

 

*A lot of people have many different reasons for ending up in an Interracial relationships.  Some Black men seek them out exclusively...*COUGH* *COUGH*  My TWO Brother in laws *COUGH* *COUGH*.  From my observations and personal experiences, women of other races approach brothers quite often.  I can recall numerous times being asked to dance at clubs/bars/parties by women of other races while Sisters were just standing around...often after rejecting a few brothers that asked them to dance or just trying to say 'hello'.  Did those sisters go to that place just to reject men?  'bust some balls' ???...so to speak.  Who knows?  Many Sisters are unapproachable (fact)...some even claim that any man talking to them in public is 'Street Harassing' them.  With that being the case, I actually told my teen and early 20's cousins/nephews to avoid dating until the society changes a little or unless a women directly asks you out or for a number.  No sense being the next falsely accused rape suspect.  It's bad enough being a Black man (as the article above has shown). ...but that's just my perspective.  That 'un-approachability' often kills potential relationships before they can even start.  That's not to say that a Sister should interact with every brother, everyday, but she should be cognizant that some of those brothers could have been a potential life partner.         

Brotha RR wrote:  From my observations and personal experiences, women of other races approach brothers quite often.  I can recall numerous times being asked to dance at clubs/bars/parties by women of other races while Sisters were just standing around...often after rejecting a few brothers that asked them to dance or just trying to say 'hello'.  Did those sisters go to that place just to reject men?  'bust some balls' ???...so to speak.  Who knows?  

Courtship!  Courtship is gone in the black community-we used to have it.  Black people both men and women taught children how to behave; men taught boys how to play the courtship game; women taught the girls.  It was thing called etiquette-the rules of social behavior...now a thing of the past...but!  Was absolutely part of the dynamics of black life.  It used to a natural way black dudes connected with black young girls.  It was something innate.  And powerful.  Gone.  Today I'm not too familiar with how young folks engage but I do know that black men today quit [the chase] too soon.  And the feeling of rejection is always their reason why.  However the whole intent of courtship is to try and try again.  This component builds character in men and encourage them to never give up on life.  To be forward thinkers.  

When something is given away freely?  Like sex.  There is no respect for it.  No desire to trigger the pursuit DNA-which is a genetic element inside all animals.  As why dissing black women is an oxymoron...how you gon diss someone when you're being socially dissed....yourself?  Genius...right?   Period.   And yet the term rejection is used constantly as a get outta jail card to date females outside black culture.   I don't buy it.  I have brothers.  I hear them talk.  And know it's about the coochie.  And who gives it up first.  We know who gives it up first...right?  So today, I see young black women competing against that.  Why?  Cuz it was an  insult in my day for a black women to have a brotha even try to compare them with white trash.  It was clear back then who the REAL woman was.  But today brothas are different.  They don't feel they should  have homage and loyalty to their sistas.  It's all about the "fake" image.  Trying to live in massa world but trying to look like you're not.  That's what is keeping young black men and women apart.  Cuz there is nothing...absolutely nothing like BLACK love.  It should be something to die for.  And yet it is not.  Folks will die for their tennis shoes...cars...and even phones but won't die for black love.

 Many Sisters are unapproachable (fact)...some even claim that any man talking to them in public is 'Street Harassing' them.  With that being the case, I actually told my teen and early 20's cousins/nephews to avoid dating until the society changes a little or unless a women directly asks you out or for a number.  No sense being the next falsely accused rape suspect.  It's bad enough being a Black man (as the article above has shown). ...but that's just my perspective.  That 'un-approachability' often kills potential relationships before they can even start.  That's not to say that a Sister should interact with every brother, everyday, but she should be cognizant that some of those brothers could have been a potential life partner.      

True it's a new day.  And in the past women have been raped and society did nothing.  So now with the media and propaganda politics more women are empowered with personal rights.  So it goes both ways.  And the tragedy in all of it is black culture is dying.  The love that was once the gold and brilliance of our legacy now gone.  If I have to ask the question as to why black men don't feel the need to court women in their own culture ...and get a "well it's like this" or "they don;t..." where everybody black is seeing the culture being MURDERED? Every.  Day.   Why would massa wants us around?  Apparently...when it's clear we don't want us around  even to court!  Cuz if we in fact did want to be around each other?  Then...it would definitely be more [black] love seen, less killings and no excuses as to why we as black people can't be....together.   But!      

Related article...

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04...-black-men.html?_r=1

 

Why do some places have so many more missing African-American men than others?

In a recent article, we detailed a severe demographic imbalance: There are 1.5 million fewer prime-age black men (25 to 54) living in their communities than black women, census data show. The largest causes of the trend appear to be higher incarceration rates and higher mortality rates for black men than for any other large demographic group. But the extent to which black men are outnumbered by black women varies tremendously across the country.

State by state, the largest disparities are evident in Alabama, New York, Illinois, Mississippi and Georgia: In each state there are fewer than 78 prime-age African-American men living in households for each 100 black women. Add Arkansas, Maryland, South Carolina, North Carolina, Louisiana, New Jersey, Delaware, Pennsylvania and Missouri to the list, and there are 14 states in which there are fewer than 80 prime-age black men living in households for each 100 black women.

These states are drawn from the South, the Midwest and the Mid-Atlantic region, and are among the most populous states. Most important, these are all places where a large share of the population is African-American.

By contrast, there are 18 states in which the number of prime-age black men living in households actually outnumber black women. These states — Montana, South Dakota, Hawaii, Idaho, Wyoming, North Dakota, Utah, Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, New Mexico, Alaska, Oregon, Washington, Colorado, West Virginia, Iowa and Arizona — are mostly smaller in population, with relatively fewer black residents.

This contrast points to a striking correlation, in which the problem of missing black men is particularly evident in states with substantial black populations.

Where the Men Are, and Aren’t

The extent to which black women outnumber black men varies depending on the racial makeup of the state.

 
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In low-population, mostly white states, prime-age black men outnumber women.
In states with larger black populations, the reverse is true.

It may be tempting to focus on the 18 states where prime-age black men outnumber women, and conclude that the phenomenon of missing black men is geographically limited. However, these 18 states are collectively home to less than than 3 percent of the black population. In turn, this implies that 97 percent of African-Americans live in states in which prime-age black men are outnumbered by black women. By this metric, the problem seems pervasive.

Nonetheless, the fact that the demographic pattern differs so sharply among states is intriguing. There is no clear reason why it must be the case. You could imagine a situation in which black men were most likely to die young or be sentenced to prison in places where the black population was smallest.

There is even a grim, mechanical reason this might happen: Greater mortality or incarceration among black men directly lowers the share of African-Americans in a state.

Instead, the opposite is true: Places with the largest black populations tend to have the lowest male shares. It’s true both among states and among counties within a state.

Missing Men in the 1,000 Largest Counties

Prime-age black men are outnumbered by women only in counties where a large share of the population is black. In counties with tiny black populations, black men tend to outnumber black women, often by a lot.

 
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The roughly “L-shaped” relationship suggests two distinct observations. First, in counties where African-Americans make up less than around 5 or 6 percent of the population, prime-age black men may outnumber their female counterparts, and in some areas, they do so to a striking degree. And second, in those counties with substantial African-American populations, prime-age black men are systematically outnumbered by black women, again, to a striking degree.

This pattern holds within every major region of the country, and not just in the South, the Mid-Atlantic and the Midwest.

None of this answers the question as to why some areas — like Ferguson, Mo. — have larger numbers of missing black men relative to the nation as a whole. This is a purely descriptive analysis, trying to show where demographic imbalances are most acute. Correlation should not be interpreted as causation, and this applies particularly in this case, given that areas with more missing black men are strikingly different in many dimensions. They not only have larger black populations, but also different criminal justice systems, different social and economic conditions and a very different history of race relations.

In the course of the analysis, we also looked at another potential correlation: Are the places in which the black population is heavily female also places in which the nonblack population is also heavily female? To put it another way, is gender driving these patterns as much as race?

For sure, there are mining-dependent areas in Alaska, Wyoming and North Dakota that attract more men of all races. But these are the exception, and over all, there is little correlation between the gender breakdown of an area’s black population and the gender breakdown of its nonblack population.

All of which suggests that race is the driving factor. In the parts of the country with large African-American populations, thousands upon thousands of men are missing, with many of them deceased or in prison.

Black men get locked in cages just like all the other 4 legged animals get locked in cages. White men do not see black men as human beings. Therein lies all our fucking problems since 1619. No one can be sane being locked up in cages year after year. This country has driven us as insane as they are/were.

Brotha RR wrote:  I have setup a few white dudes with black female friends of mine....  I'm not against mixed doubles...lol

 

  I'm not against them either...what I am against is the STRAIGHT out deliberate DENIAL of those  blacks in those interracial relationships pretending that black folks are NOT dying...black folks are not targeted or being treated with racism and it ain't their problem cuz they have MIXED kids...they don't call em "mixed" for nothing [deliberately dropping the twin word "nuts"] cuz the truth is many of em are MIXED up about their intertwined cultures.......for a better word:  focked up about their combined race cuz the black parent is NOT telling them anything about the TRUTH of black history.  They give this whimsical impression that the civil unrest going on in the real world doesn't apply to them.  That's what I'm against.

 And many of these interracial couples  just blow it off like it ain't nothing UNTIL one of them accidentally/mistakenly get pulled in it.  Then it's call the SWAT team, NAACP, the Media  and all the black organizations that represent blacks.  But those folks...did not and do not protect their own culture...and not only I am against that self genocide sickness...I have a real DEEP problem with not LOVING your culture enough to go the extra mile if not?  All I remember is Emmitt Till.   Plus  I have had several bi-racial students in my programs totally CONFUSED about their blackness and as a result rebelled against their "interracial" parents-for LYING to them.  Bottom line?  It's not fair to the kids.

 Hey I don't have a problem with what anybody does with their private parts[cuz that's the real reason for the connection]....but!  When you bring children in it?  It's a whole different dynamics cuz white women do not to this very day KNOW how to raise their own kids....let alone a "MIXED" one.  To be clear?  The only side I'm on?  Is the children's side cuz they didn't asked to be here.  Adults?  Care less.  And because of past generation of interracial couples who sat idly by and DID nothing to bring awareness and expose their struggle...which by the way  has sat and sat for years until finally it  festered like a boil....now oozing?  Who's dying behind that ooz?  We are!   So to me it's more than just being with someone outside your culture.....it's a responsibility attached to it.  But I hear ya my brotha!  Ha!  To each his own except that when kids come?  You can't say that with a straight face.  Cuz it's a lie.  That's it.  That's all.   But!

 

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