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This crap pisses me off.

Just what is that suppose to mean?

Dose it mean not the first 'black' graduate? We know that is not true.

Does it mean not the first 'hispanic' graduate" We should not believe that it not true, but I, personally, do not know.

Aaaaw! The person who is both 'black' AND 'hispanic'.

I'm going to label this shit 'invoking the color code'.

American society is always yelling about the 'race card'.

Yet America is constantly applying the 'color code' to Americans of African ancestry, known and unknown.

What an insult.

Why couldn't this soldier, even in death, be recognized for who she is/was, e.g. Jamaican-American, or Cuban-American, or Columbian-American. or Mexican-American, etc.

No. She MUST identified by her color and (ancestral) language even in death.

DAMN!!!!!!!!!

PEACE

Jim Chester
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quote:
Originally posted by James Wesley Chester:
This crap pisses me off.

Just what is that suppose to mean?

Dose it mean not the first 'black' graduate? We know that is not true.

Does it mean not the first 'hispanic' graduate" We should not believe that it not true, but I, personally, do not know.

Aaaaw! The person who is both 'black' AND 'hispanic'.

I'm going to label this shit 'invoking the color code'.

American society is always yelling about the 'race card'.

Yet America is constantly applying the 'color code' to Americans of African ancestry, known and unknown.

What an insult.

Why couldn't this soldier, even in death, be recognized for who she is/was, e.g. Jamaican-American, or Cuban-American, or Columbian-American. or Mexican-American, etc.

No. She MUST identified by her color and (ancestral) language even in death.

DAMN!!!!!!!!!

PEACE

Jim Chester


If someone identifies as any of the above people in the colour code, then you still can't say for sure that a person is identifing by his or her race. Its only their ethnic group because you'll find these ethnic groups have many races,small or large. A person of African descent if their hispanic should have the option to call themselves Afro-Latino American or African Latino ect .I think that description is more broad.
If someone identifies as any of the above people in the colour code, then you still can't say for sure that a person is identifing by his or her race. Its only their ethnic group because you'll find these ethnic groups have many races,small or large.---cypress

I'm not sure I know what you are saying here.

Neither 'black', nor 'hispanic' is an ethnicity.

What do Puerto Ricans have in common with Mexicans...other than language?


A person of African descent if their hispanic should have the option to call themselves Afro-Latino American or African Latino ect .I think that description is more broad.---cypress

The person always has that authority.

The point here is that the media is making the assignment of identity.

The category assigned is 'black-and-hispanic'.

This is that special category assigned by European America to persons who are both of African descent AND descendant of a person born in a nation where Spanish is the primary language, other than Spain itself.

The person cannot be only hispanic, or of whatever appropriate ancestral nationality.

The 'color-code' system requires that the person must be distinguished in the fact that she, in this case, is 'black'.

This is about applying the dominance of your position in society to those different from you.


PEACE

Jim Chester
quote:
Originally posted by James Wesley Chester:
If someone identifies as any of the above people in the colour code, then you still can't say for sure that a person is identifing by his or her race. Its only their ethnic group because you'll find these ethnic groups have many races,small or large.---cypress

I'm not sure I know what you are saying here.

Neither 'black', nor 'hispanic' is an ethnicity.

What do Puerto Ricans have in common with Mexicans...other than language?


A person of African descent if their hispanic should have the option to call themselves Afro-Latino American or African Latino ect .I think that description is more broad.---cypress

The person always has that authority.

The point here is that the media is making the assignment of identity.

The category assigned is 'black-and-hispanic'.

This is that special category assigned by European America to persons who are both of African descent AND descendant of a person born in a nation where Spanish is the primary language, other than Spain itself.

The person cannot be only hispanic, or of whatever appropriate ancestral nationality.

The 'color-code' system requires that the person must be distinguished in the fact that she, in this case, is 'black'.

This is about applying the dominance of your position in society to those different from you.


PEACE

Jim Chester



I think the word Latin best describe the language a person speaks rather than hispanic. The media always applies colour to a persons ethnic group,you think thats wrong. Black Cuban,Black Dominican shouldn't be used because it describes colour before ethnic group.

Well in Britain theres several catagories for black. Black caribbean,Black African, and Black other, Somali ect. The ethnic group comes after race.

On the term in britain:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_British


Some like it Some don't.
I'm not at all sure what you are upset about, JWC.

I'm assuming that there has been a story in the media about some "first". Do you have a link?

Not all cultural divides follow the borders of nation state system, which as I understand it, was historically devised to divide Europe, and eventually the entire world, along European ethnic lines.

There are cultural commonalities shared by people of different countries, and regional cultural differences within single countries.

As far as language goes, language is no trivial matter when it comes to cultural similarities and differences. Having a common language facilitates communication and the transmission and sharing of culture.

One thing that Puerto Ricans and Mexicans might have in common could very well be an appreciation for Cumbias, a genre of Colombian music, to name just one example.

What do Black Iowans and Black New Yorkers have in common, besides the English language?
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What do Black Iowans and Black New Yorkers have in common, besides the English language?
---ricardomath

I'll start here.

To answer your question, could it be color??

I don't have a link readily available. It was an article noting the death of the 'first 'black-and-hispanic' graduate from West Point.

It was a short article that, other than honoring the soldier, was notable to me only because the choice of characterization.

The arrogance/ignorance of the media disturbs me when terms are 'laid' upon people that conveys absolutely nothing as to who they are.

With, or without, knowledge the reporter shows interest only in what the soldier was.

Is.


PEACE

Jim Chester
quote:
Originally posted by James Wesley Chester:
quote:
What do Black Iowans and Black New Yorkers have in common, besides the English language?
---ricardomath

I'll start here.

To answer your question, could it be color??


Well, I guess that you could have easily answered your own question then, huh?

quote:
What do Puerto Ricans have in common with Mexicans...other than language?


(I assume that you were referring to Black Puerto Ricans and Black Mexicans here, since it was asked in the context to your objection to Afrolatinos from different countries being grouped together with the phrase "Black Hispanics".)
Well, I guess that you could have easily answered your own question then, huh?---ricardomath

Being European does not mean you have to adopt the mentality that 'color' is your identity.

Unless you insist.

And...I was referring to just plain ole ordinary, everyday Puerto Ricans...of every description.

But, clearly, you won't accept that.

Color IS NOT an automatic reference.


PEACE

Jim Chester
quote:
Originally posted by James Wesley Chester:

But, clearly, you won't accept that.

Color IS NOT an automatic reference.


Well, I can't read your mind...and you did ask the question in the context of being upset with Afrolatinos being thought of as a group in an article about a "first".

So it seemed like a perfectly reasonable assumption to make.

In any case, I'm still left wondering exactly what your point is. Do you have a similar reaction to articles about a "first" involving African-American Americans?

Or is it juat that you would simply prefer that they be refered to as African-Latin American Latin Americans?

I honestly haven't got a clue what this thread is all about, JWC.
First Westindian man to win a Oscar:

Sydney Poitier.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001627/


First Jamaican man United State general Secretary of State Colin Powell:

http://www.jamaicanpride.com/Celebrities/colin_powell.htm


First Trinidadians to win Miss Universe,(also first blacks):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wendy_Fitzwilliam

Big Grin

If someone is the first black & latino, then they are. Insecure people can get mad all they want.

laugh
THIS IS NOTHING.

A far more damaging notion is the number of Black people that accept the "poor and minority" label when WHITE LIBERALS and Black Quasi-Socialist Progressive Fundamentalist argue against Photo Voter Id in the statement such as "Poor and Minority people who can't afford a state ID will be excluded from the voting process".

The IDs are now free in most states that require it.....so they switch to the dog at my homework escuse story that they don't have the transportation to get to the photo id center because they are "poor and minority".

What cloak of handicapped will be accepted for the sake of political expediency?
quote:
Originally posted by ricardomath:
quote:
Originally posted by Constructive Feedback:

"Poor and Minority people who can't afford a state ID will be excluded from the voting process".


Did you post in the wrong thread by mistake?

off

Try this one:

http://africanamerica.org/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/79160213/m/3821066714

No need to thank me.

Just trying to give you a little constructive feedback...


NO. Actually THE TWO POINTS ARE RELATED. (But I see that you "wouldn't understand" fo)

LABELS are the common thread between these two points.
quote:
Originally posted by ricardomath:
I could have sworn that this thread had something to do with a "first" involving African-Latin American Latin Americans. (Or is it African Latin American-Latin Americans? I can never quite remember exactly where that hyphen goes...)


And that assignment is very CONDITIONAL at best.

In truth many Blacks want it to be the "First Black __________________ THAT I AGREE WITH". From Colin Powell to Condi Rice, the list goes on.

The funny thing is that they don't realize that the "actorvist" types that they DO tend to support will NEVER BE THE FIRST BLACK SECRETARY OF THE TREASURY, SECRETARY OF DEFENSE or another Black Secretary of State. These are the 3 key departments in the Executive Branch. No FAKE REBELS who like "speaking truth to power" will EVER assume the role of an EXECUTIVE having to adopt policies and IMPLEMENT THEM.

A ROCK THROWER can stand on the notion that "She is RIGHT" and "See I told you so".....never having to insure that a single drop of oil must be fed to the economy BASED ON THE POLICIES that are enforced to keep the AMERICAN ECONOMY GOING.
In any case, I'm still left wondering exactly what your point is. Do you have a similar reaction to articles about a "first" involving African-American Americans?---ricardomath

No, nor do I have the same reaction with articles regarding African Amerivan-Americans.

Or is it juat that you would simply prefer that they be refered to as African-Latin American Latin Americans?---ricardomath

As I alluded/implied in the original post, my 'ire' was directed at the reporter's insistance and a non-ethnic term.

Since it is clear, restating the known is needed:

Hispanic is not about ethnicity. Hispoanic is the term chosen to identify all those people who are not Spanish, but are born in some other nation that speaks Spanish as its primary language.

And even that term is often misapplied to the people of Brazil, Trinidad, Haiti, and such.


I honestly haven't got a clue what this thread is all about, JWC.---ricardomath

This has to be a case of insistent ignorance.

We had this discussion many times.

Clearly, you don't know because you don't want to know.

Clearly, it is not a matter of intellect.

PEACE

Jim Chester
I think the word Latin best describe the language a person speaks rather than hispanic. The media always applies colour to a persons ethnic group,you think thats wrong. Black Cuban,Black Dominican shouldn't be used because it describes colour before ethnic group.

Well in Britain theres several catagories for black. Black caribbean,Black African, and Black other, Somali ect. The ethnic group comes after race.---cypress

I agree.

As I have noted in other threads over my time on the board, the British often refer to the peoples of India as 'black'.

Also noted was the fact that an English woman, wife of an army officer, wrote 'Little Black Sambo' while she was 'on station' with her husband.

There are no tigers in Africa you know.

I English model is a wrong as the United States model.

Both identify people by what they are.

Refusing to acknowledge who they are.

Clearly, in the British example, these people are immigrants WITH passports...that are cast aside in describing them in British society.


PEACE

Jim Chester
quote:
Originally posted by Constructive Feedback:
quote:
Originally posted by ricardomath:
I could have sworn that this thread had something to do with a "first" involving African-Latin American Latin Americans. (Or is it African Latin American-Latin Americans? I can never quite remember exactly where that hyphen goes...)


And that assignment is very CONDITIONAL at best.


Conditional? Conditional in what sense? (aside from my use of the JWCism?)

quote:
In truth many Blacks want it to be the "First Black __________________ THAT I AGREE WITH". From Colin Powell to Condi Rice, the list goes on.

The funny thing is that they don't realize that the "actorvist" types that they DO tend to support will NEVER BE THE FIRST BLACK SECRETARY OF THE TREASURY, SECRETARY OF DEFENSE or another Black Secretary of State. These are the 3 key departments in the Executive Branch. No FAKE REBELS who like "speaking truth to power" will EVER assume the role of an EXECUTIVE having to adopt policies and IMPLEMENT THEM.

A ROCK THROWER can stand on the notion that "She is RIGHT" and "See I told you so".....never having to insure that a single drop of oil must be fed to the economy BASED ON THE POLICIES that are enforced to keep the AMERICAN ECONOMY GOING.


I have no idea what you are getting at here. But if you are trying to say that somebody who was a graduate of West Point (which, according to JWC is what we are aparently talking about here) might lean more towards conservative views politically than towards liberal or radical views, I suppose that in the absense of any specific information about the individual in question, I would be open to the possibility.

Last I heard, West Point was not exactly a bastion of radical thought.

Roll Eyes
i think white people are confused (or maybe it is their intention to instill confusion) about race...

if you'll take note, the white s. africans make a distinction between mixed raced blacks (what they call colored) and non-mixed blacks...?

in america white have historically made no difference, in fact if you had any demonstrable quantity of black blood you were black (the infamous 1 drop rule)...
quote:
Originally posted by blaqfist:
i think white people are confused (or maybe it is their intention to instill confusion) about race...

if you'll take note, the white s. africans make a distinction between mixed raced blacks (what they call colored) and non-mixed blacks...?

in america white have historically made no difference, in fact if you had any demonstrable quantity of black blood you were black (the infamous 1 drop rule)...



In South Africa mixed race people (coloureds) were on a different class level than black South Africans during the Apartheid era. They had schools were they learned Afrikaaners,could go to coloured and indian place around town shops,business.Black South Africans didn't have any options. Afrikaaners is a european language with African elements. If you didn't speak or learn in Afrikaaners during the Apartheid era you were treated as a second or third class citizen in South Africa.

Slavery was different, sexual relationship between slave and slave masters was somewhat common,but it was also against the law. Probably One of the reasons for the one drop rule,another reason would be to give slaves an inferior mind complex basically saying(you people are no were near close to Europeans).Brain washing.
quote:
Originally posted by James Wesley Chester:
I think the word Latin best describe the language a person speaks rather than hispanic. The media always applies colour to a persons ethnic group,you think thats wrong. Black Cuban,Black Dominican shouldn't be used because it describes colour before ethnic group.

Well in Britain theres several catagories for black. Black caribbean,Black African, and Black other, Somali ect. The ethnic group comes after race.---cypress

I agree.

As I have noted in other threads over my time on the board, the British often refer to the peoples of India as 'black'.

Also noted was the fact that an English woman, wife of an army officer, wrote 'Little Black Sambo' while she was 'on station' with her husband.

There are no tigers in Africa you know.

I English model is a wrong as the United States model.

Both identify people by what they are.

Refusing to acknowledge who they are.

Clearly, in the British example, these people are immigrants WITH passports...that are cast aside in describing them in British society.


PEACE

Jim Chester



Well In the UK you'd hardly ever hear an Indian person being called black even though their skin might be black, South Asian is more than likely.Alot of Somalis,Ethiopians,Eritreans are dark skinned caucasoid people,so thats where the black other catagory comes in. Some still are called black Africans being that these Aethiopids are some of the oldest Africans/ people in the world.

A person who is seen as 'new world' black (meaning a person born outside of Africa) would be call black, then their ethnicity would come after that.

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