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Does Mo'nique's show "Fat Chance" do anything to change the stigma and shame that people who are obese have put upon them?

Do you think that the fact that she champions the cause of "big girls", that it really helps them? They may feel better emotionally, but does that change issues of a physical nature that may come up as a result of obesity?

Do you think that Mo'nique does more good or more harm?

 

 

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I've been down this road before, but why not revisit it.

Self esteem is extremely important. So is being healthy. Healthy doesn't necessarily equal skinny or a certain dress size or even muscle tone. If the contestants and Mo'Nique for that matter have great blood work and cardiovascular capacity, then more power to them.

Is this case? 19

The danger in this type of contest is that people that cannot claim excellent blood work & cardiovascular health use her movement as an excuse to remain unhealthy because "Fat is Fabulous!".
I watched the program Miss FAT 2006 this evening when I was getting my hair done.

My stylist, Pearl and I agreed and were happy that our fellow Jersey Girl did win, however, we felt the contest was an excuse to stay unhealthy. We were both disappointed that Miss FAT 2005 did not seem to have lost any weight.

Mo'Nique while her hair looks great is heading for a host of medical problems if she does not drop some weight. I am not saying everybody has to be a size 4 but when you go past 12, especially with todays vanity sizing, you are looking a real medical problems so I agree with you DDouble. While the purpose is noble, I do not think the movement is positive because is coddles bad behavior and potentialy deadly habits. I do not think that they feel better in the end, did you hear what Evie said, she hoped Marilyn Monroe was not roling over in her grave. Having them strut in lingere was tramatizing. I thought that the makeover was good but why did they have to be people, it reminded me a drag queens. I think that the evening gowns were great, and the jeans section was great.
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Originally posted by AudioGuy:
Does Mo'nique's show "Fat Chance" do anything to change the stigma and shame that people who are obese have put upon them?


I am not watching this show.... complete waste of my time... there's nothing inspiring... there'd be no other reason to watch except for kitsch factor...

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Do you think that the fact that she champions the cause of "big girls", that it really helps them? They may feel better emotionally, but does that change issues of a physical nature that may come up as a result of obesity?

Do you think that Mo'nique does more good or more harm?


Being overweight is a sign of poor health.... I would celebrate being overweight like I would celebrate a runny nose...

lots of people get them.... yet it is a symptom of a larger problem....

If Monique were to promote health at any size.... well, then I would applaud her and those that support this notion....

because therein lies the real problem, society has placed unrealistic rules on what is considered "healthy".... and what is considered "beautiful"...... utilizing only one standard for all....

there are "big boned" women who are extremely fit, beautiful and healthy but do not fit a size 2.

Monique doesn't promote health, she promotes weight. In this she is the inverse of the problem, possibly creating more problems....

If women are inspired to maintain their dignity and self esteem while making sure that they are looking into improving their health... then much kudos...

but, nah... she just lazy..... and mad because society doesn't let her get away with it...

yep... I said it... cause I'm lazy too..... I'm not fat because of it... but, my lazy diet shows itself in other ways... that I don't glorify to make myself feel good about the stigma attached to the result of laziness or bad genes....

though it does allow her to make a killing promoting her frustration with society not accepting how lazy she is.... and she makes really funny jokes about what amounts to ultimately her being lazy about her health and diet.... I laugh... I don't follow...


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Virtue,

I'm sooo glad you said Monique was lazy. If that came from a guy's mouth, he would've been crucified on sight.

Now that we're being brutally honest, I just want to add, that there's nothing wrong with being big (i.e. curvy or thick), but there IS something wrong with being obese. There's nothing cute or sexy about it, no matter how many Fat Chance pageants they have on Oxygen. Now if Monique was about promoting self esteem regardless of a woman's weight, it'll be no problem. But unfortunately, she wrote a book called "Skinny Women are Evil." What if some thin comedienne wrote an answer novel called "Fat Women are Lazy Haters?"

Hollywood is not feeling obesity by no stretch of the imagination. BTW, this may be offtopic, but this is another reason (which no one has talked about) why Halle Berry beat Renee' Zellweger for Best Actress at the Academy Awards. Forget about "Monster's Ball," for a minute. Renee was playing Bridget Jones, a chubby, fat British woman in the movie "Bridget Jones' Diary", in which she talked about her social life and her sex life. She was good in the movie, but Renee' wasn't going to beat Halle for Best Actress. Come on, the Academy's not feeling that, OK? Many folks don't want to hear about the sex life of obese folks in America, let alone England or elsewhere abroad.
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You are judging these people based on a first glance and using nothing but appearance to make all sorts of assumptions about them as people and their health. Unless you are in the gym with them and see them working out or you are at home with them and see nary a vegetable touching their lips, you don't actually know anything about these people you are so quick to judge using the very same skewed standards that immediately applauds anyone who is a size 2.

I absolutely NEVER hear people having this discussion about the fitness level of "typical" beauty pageant contestants. No one cares if they do cardio 3 times a week or eat perfectly according to the food pyramid. It's a non-issue because they are thin. All those people who are so deperately concerned about other people's health are.... *gasp*... totally silent.

But, but who will motivate and badger all those lazy size 2s into hours at the gym and health food that tastes like the inside of a jock strap?? Doesn't anyone care about the state of THEIR bloodwork? Isn't anyone absolutely mortified that their very existence is supporting and promoting an unhealthy lifestyle?? ek

*Gag*

Let's be real. You guys want to look down on and talk smack about fat folks and the health shit is just one more way to do it. td6
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Originally posted by Frenchy:
You are judging these people based on a first glance and using nothing but appearance to make all sorts of assumptions about them as people and their health. Unless you are in the gym with them and see them working out or you are at home with them and see nary a vegetable touching their lips, you don't actually know anything about these people you are so quick to judge using the very same skewed standards that immediately applauds anyone who is a size 2.

I absolutely NEVER hear people having this discussion about the fitness level of "typical" beauty pageant contestants. No one cares if they do cardio 3 times a week or eat perfectly according to the food pyramid. It's a non-issue because they are thin. All those people who are so deperately concerned about other people's health are.... *gasp*... totally silent.

But, but who will motivate and badger all those lazy size 2s into hours at the gym and health food that tastes like the inside of a jock strap?? Doesn't anyone care about the state of THEIR bloodwork? Isn't anyone absolutely mortified that their very existence is supporting and promoting an unhealthy lifestyle?? ek

*Gag*

Let's be real. You guys want to look down on and talk smack about fat folks and the health shit is just one more way to do it. td6


I waited with baited breath girl....

but not going there with you on this one...

love you too much to completely obliterate your argument.....



Big Grin

V
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Originally posted by Frenchy:
You are judging these people based on a first glance and using nothing but appearance to make all sorts of assumptions about them as people and their health. Unless you are in the gym with them and see them working out or you are at home with them and see nary a vegetable touching their lips, you don't actually know anything about these people you are so quick to judge using the very same skewed standards that immediately applauds anyone who is a size 2.

I absolutely NEVER hear people having this discussion about the fitness level of "typical" beauty pageant contestants. No one cares if they do cardio 3 times a week or eat perfectly according to the food pyramid. It's a non-issue because they are thin. All those people who are so deperately concerned about other people's health are.... *gasp*... totally silent.

But, but who will motivate and badger all those lazy size 2s into hours at the gym and health food that tastes like the inside of a jock strap?? Doesn't anyone care about the state of THEIR bloodwork? Isn't anyone absolutely mortified that their very existence is supporting and promoting an unhealthy lifestyle?? ek

*Gag*

Let's be real. You guys want to look down on and talk smack about fat folks and the health shit is just one more way to do it. td6


I won't coddle you like others, but I will stay as polite as possible. I can't speak for the other posters, but my other job is personal training. There is a body type known as "skinny fat" - you keep alluding to that with your size 2 references. These people can suffer all the maladies of a visibly obese person. Note the word visibly. If one is looking to reduce obesity in America, who would you look to first - the size 2 or the size 22? It's not a personal attack like you keep trying to paint it. It really is a physical & mental health issue. It's about denial, fear, sloth, and in a minority of instances, a true medical condition preventing weight loss.

Let's make a deal: since you champion the rights of the obese to happily stay that way, why don't we let you pick up the tab, alone, on their medical expenses over the next 50 years. Deal?
Well, well, well... scha-PRISE, scha-PRISE... Monique and her show are destined to tear apart our love affair.

*DING! DING! DING!* Round Three....

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Originally posted by ddouble:
I won't coddle you like others, but I will stay as polite as possible. I can't speak for the other posters, but my other job is personal training. There is a body type known as "skinny fat" - you keep alluding to that with your size 2 references. These people can suffer all the maladies of a visibly obese person. Note the word visibly. If one is looking to reduce obesity in America, who would you look to first - the size 2 or the size 22?


If the size 2 can suffer all the maladies of the visibly obese, then why is it necessary to single out the size 22??? Wouldn't it be more effective *and less hypocritical* to spread the word that, as I repeatedly say in these threads, looks are not a reliable way of telling who is in shape (and who is lazy and who is not eating right and who has no self-esteem and all of the other things that people love to infer just from looking at body size)??

My point is not and was never about obese people having any sort of right to stay at their current weight. It is about the malacious hypocrisy of people who say that their only concern is for other people's health and yet, they limit the scathing eye to the overweight. That's pure bullshit. It IS a personal attack. Add to that the fact that overweight people are discriminated against in absolutely horrendous ways and I hope you can see why I find it so vile. You all are encouraging this crap that is so very damaging to people in so many ways. It is just common decency.

People who are naturally thin aren't doing anything particularly special, they aren't any more worthy or gifted or enlightened about health. What on earth gives them the right to look down from the Ivory Tower and cast judgement about what overweight people must be like (lazy, unmotivated, shiftless, etc) and what overweight people must be doing (eating too much of this and not enough of that, etc) and blahblahblah??? It is sheer luck of the draw that they are the way they are. Furthermore, they have never been on the receiving end of the ridiculous way that people think it is okay to say dehumanizing things to overweight people and actively discriminate against them in the name of "being concerned about health." Give me a break.

As I said, I've yet to see the same "concern" for the typical thin woman on TV. You look at these women and you pull a judgement out of your asshole about how poor her health must be based on the fact that you cannot see her ribcage or whatever criteria it is that you judge to be an acceptable level of thinness for someone who deigns to come into contact with your healthy sensibilities.

Do you think that overweight people are somehow living in a vacuum, an alternate universe where they have never heard of healthy eating and exercise, reading newspapers chiseled from crisco and fat back?? **NEWSFLASH: Fat People Know About Health.** 99% of the country is on a diet right now. What is the purpose of all this faux concern again? bang

If you can cover the medical bills of the anorexics and bulimics and those in life-long therapy because mommy and daddy put them on a diet at 5 years old with nary a squawk, you can damn well cover the medical bills of the obese.

karate kiss

I'm out.
If I could get you to turn the darn TV off sometimes, Mo'Nique wouldn't have the chance to funk up our love jones... tongue

My initial post co-signed much of what you said above. I get on my bandwagon with anyone, regardless of size, if I observe an unhealthy habit and I have some influence over their decision making. I believe that the energy used to promote being OK with obesity would be better used encouraging these ladies to improve their health.

Mo'Nique will be able to pay for stomach stapling surgery when the doctor finally tells her it's her only option. What about all the working class women she's selling her "movement" too?

stck hug
This same thing was discussed over in A sista's spot. This is what i said:

I saw the first pagent Monique put on and she had a section of the show where they were in a gym and she said directly that she is in support of exercising and eating healthy. She said just because she is big it doesn't mean she is necessarily unhealthy, that she exercises three days a week and encourages other big girls to do the same for their health, but to embrace their bodies big and all as long as they stay healthy. I like her. I think its a beautiful thing she is doing. At some point or another you have to think about the emotional/psychological health of the person along with the physical health, so whats wrong with supporting a healthy self-esteem and or body image along with promoting good health. Albeit she should express her opinion on exercising regularly more often- i'll give u that.

And this:

snippet of the transcript from cnn.com- interview with Monique done by Karyn Bryant:

MONIQUE, HOST, "SHOWTIME AT THE APOLLO": Thank you, Karyn.

BRYANT: So tell me about this new project that you have. Because we had Kirstie Ally with "Fat Actress." And now you`ve got Monique, "Fat Chance." Is it time for larger women to come into their own?

MONIQUE: It`s so time. It`s -- it`s been long overdue.

You know, and even with "Fat Actress," she`s trying to lose weight.

BRYANT: Right.

MONIQUE: And a lot of times, people may say, "Oh, here we go again."

You know, for me, I teamed up with Just My Size and Oxygen to do the first full figured reality beauty pageant, where we`re saying, you know what? Be big, be beautiful. You are, you can, you will, you should. If you are 220, be 220. If you`re a size 26, be a size 26.

So today was our first day in New York. We did the first casting call. And it was so overwhelming. If you could have seen all of those big pretty women, lined up around Park Avenue, saying, "You know what? It`s our time."

BRYANT: See, now there -- there is something to be said for confidence. And that`s a great thing. But critics might say, you know, Monique, you`re promoting an unhealthy lifestyle, though.

MONIQUE: And you know what I would say with critics -- to critics? Stop it. Because for some reason they believe all big people are unhealthy people. That is so not true. We work out. We exercise. We`re just big people.

If everyone was meant to be a size zero, could you imagine how boring life would be?

BRYANT: Oh, no, certainly. But it`s also, too, when you`re talking about younger kids. I mean, diabetes does come into play. And it`s hard, because it`s a fine line between telling somebody to be happy in their skin and, you know, just wanting to look out for them on the whole, as well.

MONIQUE: Even -- during the show we do a beauty boot camp, where we exercise and we work out. So I don`t promote just be big. Don`t exercise. Just eat, be fat, whatever.

BRYANT: Right.

MONIQUE: No. I work out every day. I tell women, you know what? Be healthy, but love you. Don`t exercise and diet to say, "I want to be a size 2." Exercise, just be healthy. That`s it. I`m a size 22. I`m so OK with that. And I work out every single day.
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Originally posted by AudioGuy:
Do you think that the fact that she champions the cause of "big girls", that it really helps them?


I don't know if Mo'nique's movies will help "them" (we talk about larger-size people as if they are aliens from another planet or something Roll Eyes). However, I do appreciate Mo'nique's activism against standards of beauty that are intolerant of differences in shape and size. Mon'nique is not just an advocate for larger-sized and obsese Black women; she is an advocate for equal rights and fair treatment.

Our society's preference for emaciated, linear, ballerina-type figures has turned Mo-nique into a strong proponent for equality, which is actually very necessary. Although the media has been consistently informing the public about how large Americans have become, the clothing industry, ignoring these reports, still continues to cater to a smaller-sized minority.

I wear a size 4 (when bloated, a size 6), and even I experience difficulty finding garments, especially pants, that make allowances for curves and shape. It is as if the clothing industry, particularly high-end designer labels, expect women to all have the shape of a twelve year-old boy (tall, straight, and lean, all the way down). But I'm certainly not twelve year-old boy or super model nor are majority of the women buying these clothes. This is why I support Mo'nique's campaign against weight bigotry.
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Don't know Monique.

Haven't seen her show.

I'm generally skeptical when people try to tell others what issues that they should be associated with.

I've noticed several people saying that she should concern herself with certian health issues.

I'm left wondering whether folks associated with beauty contests for anorexic models also recieve similar advice about how to invest their time.

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