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Farrakhan says to European and U.S. gov'ts: Give Blacks justice or face God's full judgment
By Askia Muhammad
Updated Mar 5, 2004, 11:29 pm



CHICAGO (FinalCall.com) - "Allah-u-Akbar! Allah-u-Akbar!" (God is Great! God is Great!) chanted thousands of Muslims here and in more than 110 other satellite venues Feb. 29 in this country, the Caribbean, Central and South America, the United Kingdom, France, North and West Africa, South Africa and the Middle East, the instant the Honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan appeared on the screen to deliver his Saviours' Day 2004 address: "Reparations: What Does America and Europe Owe? What Does Allah (God) Promise?"

True to his subject, the Nation of Islam leader delivered an impassioned, fact-filled petition to the United States government, making a clear case in the name of true "justice," not just politics, for reparations payments from this country to the descendants of its slaves"”slaves whose free labor made the nation rich.

Joined on the dais at the UIC Pavilion in Chicago, Ill., by Rep. John Conyers Jr. (D-Mich.), Dean of the Congressional Black Caucus; Judge Mathis, a popular television host; Chicago activist George O'Hare; Rev. Al Sampson, pastor of Fernwood Methodist Church in Chicago; Nation of Islam figures and family members, Min. Farrakhan delivered a message that concluded several days of activities in observance of the annual Saviours' Day among Nation of Islam members.

"Give yourselves a warm round of applause as we celebrate Saviours' Day 2004," said Rep. John Conyers, author of H.R. 40, a Congressional resolution establishing a commission to study slavery and the question of reparations.

"This is a great day. We, the Black people of America, the people of color of the world must join together to bring support to the eight million people in Haiti! That is our duty, even if our president does not understand.

"We will do in America (what) our government should not have allowed in Haiti. They allowed rebels to run out a duly elected democratically elected president. Well, we will vote out an un-duly elected president of the United States of America," Mr. Conyers continued.

"I'm honored to join this distinguished leader who gives hope and understanding to people all over the world, of every color, of every religion, and of every political belief," he said of Min. Farrakhan.

Leonard F. Muhammad, Nation of Islam Chief-of-Staff, said to be on "temporary" loan to Michael Jackson, offered a spirited defense of himself and his role as an adviser to the pop music superstar. Mr. Jackson "deserves better" from Black people in this country, "than we did for Paul Robeson," said Mr. Muhammad.

Mr. Robeson was a Black musical and theatrical star who was persecuted by the U.S. government and often prevented from performing during the 1950s because U.S. officials did not approve of his militant political views.

Restrained, he said, by a court-imposed gag order against discussion of legal charges against Mr. Jackson"”lewd conduct with a minor"”outside of the courtroom, Mr. Muhammad did assure the audience of his belief that Mr. Jackson is innocent.

Minister Farrakhan said Black voters should consider showing their strong support for Rev. Al Sharpton, a Democratic presidential candidate, in order to give him more power to promote the Black agenda.

"Black people are so angry with President Bush that they're willing to give Senator Kerry a free ride. Getting rid of Bush and getting John Kerry...will mean you'll get more of the same."

February 26, Min. Farrakhan pointed out, is a day that was set aside by the Honorable Elijah Muhammad to honor the birth of a man from the Holy City of Mecca in Arabia. He was born on February 26, 1877"”Master Fard Muhammad. "The Honorable Elijah Muhammad taught us that he was and is the great Mahdi, the Messiah," said Min. Farrakhan. His desire, he said, was to reach the world with a serious message on the principle of reparations and to explain how that message relates to divine revelation.

Despite popular convention which ignores Black issues, Min. Farrakhan insisted that the ancient prophets literally foresaw the trans-Atlantic slave trade, the 400 years of slavery that historians declare to be the worst and most cruel slavery ever put on human beings in the annals of history.

But despite the fact that the prophets did write about it, "Have you ever heard any scholar of Christianity, Judaism or Islam talk about the trans-Atlantic slave trade and the suffering of Black people in America? Well, don't you think we should ask why?

" Is it that we don't exist in their hearts and minds or do they think that others in the world in less serious condition than ours can receive warning and guidance from Allah (God), but we, the Blacks in the Diaspora and in Africa, have no place in the heart of God?" Min. Farrakhan asked.

"For reparations, you have to appeal to a government and they may listen or they may not listen, but the Honorable Elijah Muhammad taught us that when we lie down, justice lies down with us. And when we get up, justice gets up with us. Justice is not concerned with the World Court or the International Criminal Court or the local judge and the local court.

"God has set the balance in the universe that caused Jesus to say, ˜He who lives by the sword, will die by the sword. He who has led into captivity, will go into captivity and a man shall reap what he sows.' That law has nothing to do with courts. It has everything to do with the highest court, the universal court of the divine Supreme Being."

The Muslim leader held up a book by Gary Wills called "The Negro President," from which he read a passage: "It is a fact that through much of our history, Americans have shied away from slavery as too divisive or hot an issue leading to a great national amnesia about the impact and the reach of slavery."

He went on to say that "Americans are suffering from amnesia about slavery. It's too hot an issue. It's too divisive. ˜Don't talk about it, please, for God sake because if you talk about it, as a White person, I'm going to feel bad.'"

But author Wills says "that as our understanding of the role of slavery in our past grows, it will become clearer just how much slavery has affected all aspects of American life.

Minister Farrakhan pointed out that another author, Randall Robinson, writes in his book, "The Debt," "that unless White people are willing to look at slavery and the impact that slavery has on Black people's present mental, moral, spiritual, social and economic condition, unless you're willing to look at that, we will never heal the racial divide in this country."

"For if America is unwilling to look at the horror of the trans-Atlantic slave trade and what happened to us as a people, there will never be a chance for good relations between Black and White," said Min. Farrakhan.

If England and America, "don't wish to look at this, they won't be a part of the solution. They'll be the problem, and that problem is going to be removed today by the power of the Lord of the worlds.

"Now, I know that we believe that America is all powerful," Min. Farrakhan continued. "There's no question that America is very, very powerful, but so was Pharaoh. So was Nero. So was the Caesaros of Persia. Everybody that thought they had that kind of power, time and the motion of people toward freedom set them down."

There is, he continued, a foundation in the Holy Scriptures to support his arguments. "God said to Abram, know of a surety that your seed will be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them, and they shall afflict them 400 years. But also that nation whom they shall serve will I judge and afterward shall they come out with great substance. That's a promise. That's a promise. That's when God stepped in and slew Pharaoh's army."

Even though Pharaoh was personally drowned with his army, "God saved his body," Min. Farrakhan continued. "What did he save his body for? So that a man like President Bush can go and look at a Pharaoh that was powerful, but is dead and powerless, so that he will know that the same God that dealt with Pharaoh is well able to deal with the power of the government of the United States of America."

Then, Min. Farrakhan issued a challenge to Christians and Jewish analysts of his remarks. What if the Messiah, of whom the prophecies are written, is a Black man from America? Would they be able to accept him?

In order for a leader to be a man like Moses, Min. Farrakhan continued, the only human condition capable of producing that kind of leader is the trans-Atlantic slave trade. Blacks have been in America more than 400 years, fulfilling another aspect of the prophecy, he pointed out. And the U.S. is a "strange land" to Blacks said Min. Farrakhan, referring to the promise made to Abraham. Africa was eventually "raped of Black people" he explained, pointing out that young Black males and females don't know what older people know about how bad it was to be Black in America.

"You think now because you can turn on your TV and look at a Black man romancing a White woman, we have arrived. You see the great Judge Mathis holding court, coming out of the ghetto to rise now to a position of honor and respect. You see Shaquille O'Neal, Kobe Bryant. You see the great basketball players, football players, multi-millionaires and you say oh, boy, we're making it. America's alright," for Black people.

"But I want to say to all of us who have a nice home, a nice car, a little money in the bank, do not allow yourself to be used as a mannequin in the window of democracy to sell a lie to your poor brothers and sisters who are suffering in the ghettos of America.You cannot rise above the condition of your people."

"Money doesn't make a Black man or woman who is a child of those brought across the Atlantic Ocean whole," Min. Farrakhan explained. "Nothing that we have achieved has healed us as a people. Political office doesn't heal us. When you get there, you know you don't have any power. The power that you have is the power they allow you to have and when you step over the line, they cut you off and leave you with nothing.

This doesn't mean that our politicians are not valuable, he continued. "It only means that they are not powerful enough to really make a change.

"The court is the brother of the robber, the murderer and the thief and the kidnapper. The court isn't going to give you justice. One brother will knock you down and the other brother will come and say, did my brother do that? My brother's so awful. Then later that night, you see him with his brother talking about how they did you in."

"There isn't any justice for us with that. That's why I've got to talk about what God promises, because, right now, this question of reparations is the hottest thing that any Black person could talk about; but why won't we talk about it? Because we want to go along to get along. We are slaves with a slave mentality who want the approval of White people rather than to confront them for justice.

"What does God promise?" he asked rhetorically.

Before now, Blacks have always been subject to the cruelest punishments for acting on their desire for freedom or for the slightest infraction during slavery said Min. Farrakhan. Lynchings, corpse mutilations, beheadings, live burnings and ritual displays of amputated body parts were commonplace.

"There are recorded cases where the severed heads of Africans were impaled as a warning to other Blacks. Whippings were cruel and sadistic. One former slave wrote of having witnessed a Black man being forced to whip his own mother to death. The shrieks of horror were often audible for miles."

No one"”neither Arabs, Christians or Jews"”feels the pain of Black suffering, Min. Farrakhan said. "That's why all you scholars can talk about God in the kingdom, but you don't mention the trans-Atlantic slave trade. You don't mention the horror of our suffering. Here's why: It's because of "The Hamidic curse."

The Hamitic curse was written in the Talmud 400 years after the birth of Jesus, said the Muslim leader. In the Talmud, they say that because (Noah's son Ham) looked at him in (a drunken) condition and mocked him, he was cursed--with features that Black people possess. "We were Black and cursed" according to what Jews, Christians and Muslims were led to believe that this Hamidic curse was applied to Blacks.

"Let me tell you something, your days are numbered," Min. Farrakhan warned White American leaders. "The finger has written on the wall in blood. Your kingdom has been weighed in the balance and found wanting."

At the same time, he issued an appeal to Black men and women: "You've got to stand up. Money is not more important than principle."

Slavery made England rich, he said. The trans-Atlantic slave trade was the foundation of that European economic system of capitalism, Min. Farrakhan explained. African slavery was the cornerstone of the development of European colonial enterprises in the Caribbean, Central and South America and the English colonies that became the United States.

Americans should follow the example of Pope John Paul II, who apologized to all the world's indigenous people for the crimes which may have been committed by and in the name of the Catholic Church.

But more is required, even of the Catholic Church, which has at least taken a first step. The United States of America has an even more tremendous burden, Min. Farrakhan said. Estimates of the cost to "repair the damage (reparations)" done to Blacks by America range as high as $9 trillion. But the cost, the Muslim leader continued, need not be calculated only in dollars and cents. "The transfer of knowledge is the start of the repair of the damage," he said. "That's what produces equality" between people.

"What is God's promise?" Min. Farrakhan asked again in his conclusion: "Justice, after which (Blacks in America) will come out with great substance," he answered. "What does America and Europe owe? They owe everything. They must repent or be destroyed from the planet."



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I find myself to be in total agreement. When he speaks of the laws of the Universe, which are the foundation of truth and reality, I know that his rhetoric is not demagoguery, but wisdom born from truth. The law of the universe is that every action produces an opposite reaction. Thus, in order to get something must give. This is corroborated in scripture, as Farrakhan pointed out. One shall reap what they have sown (equal and opposite reaction). One who lives by the sword shall die by the sword (equal and opposite). The first shall be the last and the last shall be the first (equal and opposite).

The only problem for the theory now is that in these times mankind has the power to destroy the earth. Never in human history has this been the case and before the first will never accept being last and would destroy EVERYTHING to prevent others inflicting upon them what they have inflicted upon others, hence, their arrogance. Thus, these people, the firsts, will be the catalyst for the destruction of humanity.
Pure stupidity born from arrogance, manifesting in an imbecile who calls him or herself ˜DeltaJ'. Two thousand years ago, there were people who were the first in power and status on this earth. Were do these people rank today and how did they lose their status. What about 1,000 years ago? Where are the dominant civilizations of that ere today? What happened to them and how did they diminish from Grace?

Your arrogance and hence stupidity prevents you from realizing that human life is the product of chemical interaction and energy. We are also physical entities that subject us to physical laws as well. Human thoughts are the product of electrical impulses in our neurological wiring. Electrical impulses are energy. Humans are created from elements of the Universe and hence do not exist in a vacuum independent of the laws of the Universe.
So, perhaps our current situation was simply a 'reaction' that was caused by an action that we set in motion prior to that, when WE were all so great. Perhaps we are now PAYING for something done long ago in a time that predates history. All of this is just as relevant as pretending we are owed something.

You see, if you wish to pretend the 'egg and chicken' story of the universe is going to help anyone, you are sadly mistaken.

Humans are created from elements of the Universe

Yes, quite true. But humans are more than lumps of nitrogen or silica atoms. And NOONE knows how the universe brought forth that miracle called 'life' from these elements.

You can listen to farrakhans cliches all you want. But farrakhan isn't even in the game, unless you also include the words of pat robertson, billy graham, and other religious icons. The left has bastardized religion and religious teachings in america. That makes farrakhan a bastard as well friend.
Perhaps, but there is no historical or anthropological evidence to suggest what you say is true, assuming that you are implying that black people oppressed whites long ago and thus OUR TURN came as the equal and opposite reaction. On the other hand, there is plenty of historical evidence of white transgressions.

In regard to the Universe, there is what we know and what we do not know. I other words, there is what we can prove, and then there is all else. Deductive reasoning uses the base of what is known to then make logical inferences in regards to the unknown. The foundation of my hypothesis are solidly rooted in deductive reasoning, why nay Sayers such as yourself have NO FOUNDATION of known universal truths to your propositions. Your proposition is based upon pure conjecture and is totally void of scholar and reasoning.

And in conclusion, the fact that another person concludes that 5 + 5 = 10, does not make me a follower of that person, but rather, a person who simply recognizes TRUTH, which I have independently corroborated via my own ponderings of existence. I am not a FOLLOWER. I am a hunter and gatherer of truth and wisdom and do not rely on others to FEED me.
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So, perhaps our current situation was simply a 'reaction' that was caused by an action that we set in motion prior to that, when WE were all so great. Perhaps we are now PAYING for something done long ago in a time that predates history. All of this is just as relevant as pretending we are owed something.




Wow... Why dont you just say it Delta, you think we are inferior and deserve what has happenb to us. You would rather think we deserve the hell we have received than believe it was done out of sheer evil on the part of whites.
Doesn't even have to be whites, perhaps we oppressed each other.

It was your cliche, not mine. If the world has come down so hard on us for centuries, your own cliche says that it is just as likely a 'reaction' to actions we took at some point. Thats why I don't put much faith in cliches.

You know, come to think of it, ancient civilizations in Africa just up and disappeared. Egyptian civilization just disappeared. Perhaps something we 'acted' on brought these great civilizations to demise, and now the 'universe' is 'reacting' to the actions that we ourselves took long ago. We'll never know for sure.

As you can see, there is nothing scientific, scholarly, reasonable, credible, or even logical about citing cliches about the universe to describe current human events. But it makes for good conversation, I'll give you that.
Yes, that makes sense DeltaJ. If an old lady walking down the street is mugged and robbed, she had it coming, for she did something to warrant it. As Faheem noted, Evil must be taken into account as being the catalyst of many cycles of actions and opposite reactions.

Evil and good are opposite forces. The concepts only exist due the existence of the others. If there were no evil to juxtapose and contrast, the concept of Good would not exist. If there were not the Ugly, there could not be the Pretty. Thus, these phenomenon create equal and opposite reactions.

Evil actions are a reaction to evil thoughts and evil thoughts are the reaction of a sinful nature. This chain of reactions does not require an action from others before in manifest.
I agree with Min. Farrakhan, however, this is not a new message. Malcolm X made similar statements over 40 years ago. It was prophesized by him and if you listen to what he says in his most famous speeches he gives the warning over and over again that White America particularly, is doomed. I think that what hit home for me was when a tape was released of Osama Bin Laden saying that he was after the white man. I thought to myself, white folks are in trouble and thank God I'm black!
Now white folks had an inkling of how it felt to be black in America and they had the audacity to get mad about while expecting black people to join in with their sorrow.
To that I will give a little quote from the man who helped change my mind on quite a few things.

"...If you didn't want us integrated with you in the past when your existence was bright and red and rosy, now othat things look dark for the white man on this earth don't come to me and tell me to share your troubles with you."
The Crisis of Racism, Malcolm X, 1962
Your right Delta intergration was resisted and knowing what we know now, it would have been better had we not fought for intergration and simply fought for equal protection and rights under the law. We have learned quicker and better than any one that, intergration has been a big failure and destroyer of our community.
We have learned by way of Black business being destroyed, by Black schools being destroyed, by watching our young Black males put in special education because white women, who are over represented in the teaching field do not know how to deal with young Black males. We have seen Black financial institutions disappear. We have seen the Black family erosion become worse. There are tons of examples that integration is a failure, our current condition reaffirms this.
"Your right Delta intergration was resisted and knowing what we know now, it would have been better had we not fought for intergration and simply fought for equal protection and rights under the law. We have learned quicker and better than any one that, intergration has been a big failure and destroyer of our community."
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The is more truth than can be explained. Integration had hindered African America in more ways than it has helped.
People in my age group, if they would be honest, can attest to that.
For Example:
When I was a child, I was born and raised in an all black community. In that community was the stores, barbar shops, beauty shops, ice cream parlor, florist shop, dry cleaner/laundry, funeral home, church daycare, churches, church summer camp, elementary school, high school, private schools----all black owned and operated---not to mention the thousands of arces of land that African American owned before integration and the fact that more African Americans owned their own homes and/or land than they do now. We had no need to frequent the white community for basic needs, other than maybe the doctor's visit, places of employment for those not owning their own business.

After integration, that all changed. Black businesses could not compete with the numerous white businesses that African Americans slowly and gudginly were given access to.

I to see that if we had only fought for equal protection under the law, that African America would today be more intact and more financially independent than it is today.

I am no separatist, but I do think that if African America would try to recapture the type of communities that we had before and expound on those models, incorporating education, technology, and inclusiveness, then African America would flourish, regardless of any emotional racism, tactics and stumbling blocks placed in our way.
So, african america(ns) are failures. Mighty pessimistic attitude. From the sound of it, you may as well just fold up and crawl into a hole or something.

Does anyone else here miss those ole' sweet jim crow pre-civil rights amendment 'on the plantation' days like these two do? I can hear the sounds of those sob-story violins now, just listen.......

Truth is theres plenty we can do to flourish, and many of us ARE flourishing. So, we demanded, and achieved integration. Now we don't want integration cause we can't compete. Seems to me if we keep changing our minds like this pretty soon we won't be able to make any sense of ourselves at all. Well, some of us won't.

Since things were better when we were 'colored', hows about we start demanding to be 'colored' again? You with that? We could go back to 'colored only' and anything else you might miss, before that scourge, 'integration' made such misery out of all our lives.

Guess that would make 'rap music' the new 'minstrel show'. Interesting.

Do any one of you realize black homeownership is higher this year than ever before in american history? Naw, probably not. Cause that wouldn't fit the 'new improved modern slave' template, would it.

I wonder if there are any 'reality' topics round here. Where's my hanky.....

[This message was edited by DeltaJ on March 18, 2004 at 04:04 PM.]
I always knew if you let a Negro talk long enough he would start debating with himself. Here we have Delta putting his foot in his mouth once again. Are you not the same Delta who romanticized about how we were in the 1960's and then I answered with if we want what we had in the 1960's then we must return back to the condition we had in the 1960's and this had nothing to do with white folk and everything to do with how we dealt with one another. Therefore we do not need to be called colored and have Jim Crow all we need to do is turn inward and work on ourselves and not cow tow to white folk and articulate their thoughts. It is that simple, but Negro men and women like you Delta could not comprehend doing anything amongst only Black folk; you will fight to have your master included. It is not us who are romanticizing about how we were in the 1960's; it is you using how we were as to say we have lost our way in comparison but you are not willing to work on making the condition we had back then a reality today, thus we can rightfully conclude that you are not serious about correcting what ever ills we have in out community.

One thing you did get right was that "some" rap is a new more perverse from of a minstrel show.
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So, african america(ns) are failures. Mighty pessimistic attitude. From the sound of it, you may as well just fold up and crawl into a hole or something.
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First of all, what in the hell are you talking about?



_Does anyone else here miss those ole' sweet jim crow pre-civil rights amendment 'on the plantation' days like these two do?_ I can hear the sounds of those sob-story violins now, just listen.......
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Second of all, what in the hell are you talking about?



Truth is theres plenty we can do to flourish, and many of us ARE flourishing. So, we demanded, and achieved integration. Now we don't want integration cause we can't compete. Seems to me if we keep changing our minds like this pretty soon we won't be able to make any sense of ourselves at all. Well, _some_ of us won't.
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"We" did not demand integration, it was demanded by people that we did not know who demanded it for us. But my point is not that African America should necessarily revert back to segregation, but that African America should once again see their communities the way they used to see them and begin to build up our own/existing communities to the point of virtual independence of those who seek to oppress us.
Why is there always some house nigger laying in the cut, waiting on any chance to criticize any contemplation of African America' socio-economic empowerment and/or independence?
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Since things were better when we were 'colored', hows about we start demanding to be 'colored' again? You with that? We could go back to 'colored only' and anything else you might miss, before that scourge, 'integration' made such misery out of all our lives.
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I for one never demanded to be "colored" in the first place, I knew that I should considered African American before African Americans totally embraced being called "Black"---besides, what we call ourselves has nothing to do with the state of African America and how we should go about fixing the problems that we as a group face in America.
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Guess that would make 'rap music' the new 'minstrel show'. Interesting.
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Well, in my personal opinion, a lot of "rap music" is just that, a minstrel show---and I also find house niggering a "minstrel show" as well.
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Do any one of you realize black homeownership is higher this year than ever before in american history? Naw, probably not. Cause that wouldn't fit the 'new improved modern slave' template, would it.
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That is not a true statement. Black home/land ownership was higher before integration/the great migration to the north.


I wonder if there are any 'reality' topics round here. Where's my hanky.....
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You probably won't find many topics that address your reality.



SELF DETERMINATION, SOCIO-ECONOMIC INDEPENDENCE, STREGHTENING COMMUNITIES HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH BEING SEPARATE, HOWEVER, IF COINCIDENTALLY, ALL OR THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE LIVING IN AFRICAN AMERICA HAPPEN TO BE AFRICAN AMERICAN/AFRICAN DESCENT, SO BE IT.

WHO IS CRITICIZING, FOR EXAMPLE, PREDOMINATELY ITALIAN, ASIAN, HISPANIC, OR WHITE COMMUNTIES IN AMERICA THAT INTEND TO SURVIVE AND THRIVE WITHIN AMERICA?
Originally posted by DeltaJ:
_European Americans always want African Americans to join them in a foxhole_

Always? As I recall, integration in troops was resisted all the way up until the Korean war. What is that comment supposed to mean jim?


Well Delta,

i know this may be beyond your perception of things.....but you sound as if blacks were not allowed to die for this country.....it goes all the way back to the 1776 war....even as slaves...have you ever given it a thought that we were in more dangerous segregated foxholes anyway? Jim's comment means....that whites will do whatever it takes to stay separate from us an be non-inclusive....unless it is something horrible...like death during war....then they are VERY willing to oblidge black folks....now why was that so hard to figure out?
Ya know what? When the 5 boys were added to my family, I don't ever recall saying: "Damn, I can't wait until you're allowed to DIE for THIS COUNTRY!" Nope!! Don't recall!!

Saw a documentary about WWII on the History Channel the other day, and that sucka was white as snow!! The Tuskegee Airmen must have had a day off or something. Don't know where the African troops were. Funny, how I remember a relative telling about his buddy's head being blown off beside him in a foxhole. That must have been a hoot and a half. White men and their wars are funny as all get-out aren't they?? They're ENDLESS; here, there, everwhere!!!

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