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I only caught a quick little tidbit of a re-broadcast on C-Span about a compilation book and panel on Defining a Nation: Our America and the Sources of Its Strength but the little bit I caught was rather revealing or at least interesting. One of the panelists/authors, Amy Chua, noted that there is a difference in the lifestyles and life-chances of Asian immigrants.

She noted that Asians (or rather Chinese) that are decendents of the Chinese that were largely used to build the railroads early in our country's history still are relegated to low-paying jobs, etc. etc. and also noted that there are sweatshops in L.A. (and perhaps other cities). They, she said, represent a stark difference between Asian (Chinese) that are more recent immigrants.

What do you think lends to the erroneous depiction of certain groups as "model minorities" and why people White and Black tend to ignore or are unaware of the particular distinctions that exist within minority populations?


RESOURCES:
modelminority.com

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[This message was edited by Nmaginate on December 01, 2003 at 09:16 AM.]
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I think I've seen Amy Chua, also on C-SPAN. She is a very powerful voice for Chinese immigrants.

Regarding your question:

"What do you think lends to the erroneous depiction of certain groups as "model minorities" and why people White and Black tend to ignore or are unaware of the particular distinctions that exist within minority populations?" --- Nmaginate

The language of society, the hegemony, guides/controls much ov the thought. When the focus is on minority segments the influence is stronger, much stronger.

There is a synergistic effect the takes over. People of power, people held in reverence, people whose opinion is valued, use the language as presented which gives new character to words as applied through each new user. Pretty soon, the language becomes accepted as fact even when it wasn't. By the time the rank-and-file of the population gets it, the information is seen as irrefutable.

Surely, we must recognize this. It's the same system that has been worked on us.

PEACE

Jim Chester

You are who you say you are. Your children are who you say you are.

[This message was edited by James Wesley Chester on December 02, 2003 at 01:50 PM.]
I think model minority is any non-white that accepts the inequities created by whites and shuts the hell up about it. One who carries himself as a subordinate is a model minority....hell that even makes a black more popular to whites. Look who is being specifically promoted in this country....blacks with pro-white views, not progressive pro-black thinkers.
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Originally posted by Kevin41:
I think model minority is any non-white that accepts the inequities created by whites and shuts the hell up about it. One who carries himself as a subordinate is a model minority....hell that even makes a black more popular to whites. Look who is being specifically promoted in this country....blacks with pro-white views, not progressive pro-black thinkers.
Playing ShebaKoby's Advocate...

You mean there's a white and a black way to view things? Roll Eyes Oh please! Get off this color stuff... Just because a black person doesn't go along with the ridiculous group-think of most blacks don't make them any less black.

What? Do people trade skin color by the way they think?

You've got to be kidding me! Big Grin
Nmaginate,

group think is based on similar social realities....like the cop beatings, racial and linguistic profiling and job and housing discrimination....It is funny when some of the people in here act like they are blacks who are exempt from those things.....once you are identified as black, one is a likely target.......and i know damn well everyone in here is aware of the fact that blacks and whites have different social realities......
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and i know damn well everyone in here is aware of the fact that blacks and whites have different social realities......
Uh unnnnnnn!! Things are the same! They are! The only thing is different is what's in "the" blacks minds and the brainwashing they get from Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton that they're victims when they're not. Heck... "the" blacks have it easier than anybody else due to affirmative action - aka racism against whites - and the like. So get off that "different social reality" stuff.

Blacks have the same chances as whites and even better in a lot of cases. Roll Eyes
Yes, I agree that the "model minority" is any minority group that kisses the white man's ass and does not raise and hell or stand up for their rights when they have been violated, and don't forget all of minorities and a lot of blacks that live in the fantasy world that racism does not exist or that it is not a bad as it used to be or that any obstacles faced by minorities is only a figment of their imagination and anytime they discuss it or complain about it, they are whinning.
Kevin,

Social conditioning takes years and centuries and so does brain washing. The way I see it, once a group of people have been brains washed or socially conditioned to believe something, however long it took to brain wash or condition their mentalities and psychi is approximately how long it will take for it to wear off. However, I do believe that people can be de-programmed from the illusions they live in/under, but that takes a lot of time as well and a lot of effort by people that think like you and a lot of the others on this board. I have a very close relative (that I cannot believe is related to me), she claims to not see no racism - hear no racism - speak no racism --to her "the past has nothing to do with the future," "there is nothing she could or needs to know or learn about Africa, that could ever have anything to to with her," and let me not forget, she "is an American, not an African and has nothing in common with any Africans." Her daugher has grown up in such a white world that she forgets she is not white, she road with me to the mall to pick someone up one night, I stepped out of the car a few feet away to look in the door for a second, I ran back to the car and all the doors were locked, when I got in the car this child told me that the reason she locked the doors was because "she saw a black man walking in the direction of the car"---can you believe that (I did promptly reminded her of the fact that she lives in Florida, the KKK capitol of the world, and that she should be worried about a white man walking toward her car.
I am still trying to deprogram them both.
Quote: "what makes a person subordinate themselves up under others in such a way when we are all human beings. Some blacks and other non-whites must have been convinced that they are a lower species or something.....simply amazing... "

I didn't credit the quote because it is not important who said it so much as the focus of the words. The statement argues that "we are all human beings."

Isn't it even more amazing that Americans of unknown African ancestry STILL resort to an argument of humanness to make a point. No one argues one's humanness, except from a point o vulnerability.

There is no point that needs the substaniation of one's humanness to be valid.

Yes, it apparently will take generations to lose the mentality bound on us by slavery. The "model minority."

PEACE

Jim Chester

You are who you say you are. Your children are who you say you are.
Sunnubian,

I am so glad my parents did not seem to carry mental baggage and residue from the jim crow era down to us. there has to be a psychological aspect left over that make some of us gravitate towards out historical oppresors the way we do......it damn sure is not logical in nature.. Like the ones who come in here and defend everything whites do.....too bad white policemen don't beat their mamas down....but that probably wouldn't make a difference either....they would say she deserved it.
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Originally posted by Norland:
There's no difference between the "M" word and the "N" word in my book. Equally dehumanizing. Like I said earlier, "Minor" to whom? The European?? Dat's funny!!!!!

I FEEL YOU!

I have said this before, somewhere here on this blog, and it goes completely ignored. In fact, I remember one cat had absolutely no problem arguing that the term "minority" is valid when defining the African experience in the amerikkkan construct.

Secondly, to discuss the Asian as the "Model Minority" or "Super Minority" without talkking about the machinations of the color caste system as an inherent component of white supremacy, will never get us to the root of the problem.
I FEEL YOU!

I have said this before, somewhere here on this blog, and it goes completely ignored. In fact, I remember one cat had absolutely no problem arguing that the term "minority" is valid when defining the African experience in the amerikkkan construct.

Secondly, to discuss the Asian as the "Model Minority" or "Super Minority" without talkking about the machinations of the color caste system as an inherent component of white supremacy, will never get us to the root of the problem.---Shango67

I sure hope I wasn't that cat.

As I said in this thread originally, 'There is no point that needs the substaniation of one's humanness to be valid.'


Also, as i said more recently, 'It's the language that binds us.'

The language of our society is intended to marginalize us. Yet we still insist on using it.

We rationalize that to do so makes us more understand when we speak. Huh???

The term that works universally is 'non-European'.

Do we need a 2x4 across the forehead to not understand why the system refuses to use it?

And, by the way, Sweetwuzzy, you get it just fine.


PEACE

Jim Chester

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