Hello Earth and Sky,
Originally Posted by EarthAndSky:
Hmm, lively debate we have going on here but let's keep it nice.
"Whirling Moat", "Muhammad Cipher" and I are almost like family. WM and I have been debating for years. He is like a brother to me and MC is a good friend (though after this thread, I'm not so sure what he'll say lol). They are devoted members of the NOI and I respect that their consistency denotes sincerity and devotion to what they feel is right.
I only mention this- because our back and forth may look weird to some if you don't know we know each other. That said, contrary to what Moat may think this thread was not resurrected to engage him. I was struck by the evolution of my thinking as I read through some of the dialog. I used to be afraid to state my opinion and honestly WM and MC have been respectful of this process even though it ultimately led to my breaking away from something they hold sacred. Nothing but gentlemen and supporters through hard times. True gentlemen.
Thanks for the clarification. I now do not have to worry so much that this topic will turn ugly. A good debate is always nice, much preferable to arguing.
Possibility is not the same as plausibility. It is also possible to live on Pluto-(as is claimed by one NOI minister (who is not associated with Min. Farrakhan), just not plausible.
I'm not sure what you believe is not plausible: Gene manipulation or existence of a scientist named Yakub thousands of years ago? Gene manipulation has already been proven as a fact. It's been done many times with cats and dogs in particular. Are you familiar with designer babies? If not, here is a link to an article.
What is a designer baby?
In regards to history, the history we know (and much of the rest of the world) is History According White Europeans. It is true; conquerors write (or rewrite) history. My maternal ancestor, who was brought over here in chains, was from the Mandinka tribe. My grandmother said that when she was young, her white teachers told her that Timbuktu was a fable because no black Africans had a written language or even had the intellect to rule an empire. My grandmother knew about Timbuktu because her mother told her and so on and so on, back through the ancestral line, long before white historians acknowledged the fact about Timbuktu. My ancestors' facts about Timbuktu were treated as a myth, fable, or fantasy until white men (conquerors) many years later confirmed that they were telling the truth.
For many years, our people were told (by whites) that when whites came to Africa, they found us swinging in trees like monkeys with bones in our noses and speaking mumbo jumbo. We were told that we were backward, subhuman beings without an ounce of intellect. Sadly, many of us believed this falsehood and became ashamed of our roots. On the flip-side, this propaganda boosted the ego of whites. You can find some of these racist images here.
I don't believe the NOI is trying to build black people up at the expense of white people. I believe the NOI is being sincere in wanting us to know the real truth about ourselves as a people, not the racist crap that has been fed to us by our oppressors. If we don't know our true history, how are we to ever succeed in the future as a people? We certainly can't succeed hanging onto an inferiority complex!
I came across an interesting audio, a couple of months ago, featuring Elijah Muhammad (I forgot to bookmark it, so you will have to Google it for yourself). It was made back in the late 1950s, if I recall. He talks about the origin of the moon and what is on it. This talk took place about ten years before Neil Armstrong set foot on the moon. Elijah Muhammad was told back then that he didn't know what he was talking about. Turns out he did know. How did he know?
Why does the moon smell like gunpowder?
Nuclear Blast May Have Created the Moon
And then there is the Dogon tribe (Mali) who knew of the existence, location, orbit, and periodicity of the star, Sirius B, long before NASA discovered it. I'm sure white scientists believed the Dogon tribe was engaging in fancy before they later discovered for themselves that the star really did exist, exactly the way the Dogons described it. How did they know?
Whites don't know everything about this planet or the people on it and some things they do know, they either hide it or lie about it, especially if it proves that they are not as superior as they want us to believe. They especially do not know about any history that predates them. All they can do is speculate, theorize, or make conjectures about it. Didn't they tell us for many years that the Egyptian pyramids were built by slaves? Only in recent years was this myth debunked.
Question: Why, in general, are theories made by whites considered valid or even factual but theories made by blacks are considered myths, fables, personal opinions, or flights of fancy until proven true by whites?
Food for thought:
'And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth the earth.' Holy Bible, King James version, Book of Genesis (1:26)
Who is 'us?' This happened on the 6th day.
In the second chapter of the Book of Genesis, it talks about God (only) creating man from the dust of the ground (in other Bible translations, it states that he was fashioned out of clay or mud) and God breathing life into him. This happened on the 7th day (the day that was blessed and sanctified).
Either there is a major contradiction here or there is a veiled reference about a group of people who were not created by the Supreme Being. In the latter case, they would have been created by genetic engineering.