Whirling Moat,
 
 

The creationist, intelligent design argument and Yakub myth all function from the same psychology, logic or worldview. This observation does not require each to be only considered within the framework of a scientific or historical claim.  

 

What is the similarity?  That undergirding some natural process (in the case of NOI mythology it would be racial diversity, in the case of creationism and intelligent design it would be the existence of life itself and the universe ) is a conscientious author.   

 

If I wanted to make it more uniform- to conform to each "framework" I could.  I would simply mention the NOI intelligent design position- I could even present Moat's elaborate gender based "brane" theory- but I am less focused on what "framework" each position remains in than looking at the psychology behind each world view.  It is simply that each require an "author" to a natural process.

 

Try putting it in a Venn Diagram- to help you see similarities across "frameworks" you are limiting yourself unnecessarily by focusing on frameworks.  

 

I also think the more devoted a religious mind is to "belief" it tends to display "fight or flight" response to the cognitive dissonance it will inevitably find itself in.  The best of religious minds, in science, simply compartmentalize their beliefs when doing science and keep their religious "truths" separate and private.  In other words if you believe in

 

  • The black man being the original man- you will focus on archaelogical studies that support this and ignore that the original man is qualified as the maker, the cream of the planet earth and "god" of the UNIVERSE part in order to advance the myth to others.  I can sympathize that, if accepted, it is a great boost to the ego though 
  • White people came from black people- you will focus on archaelogical studies that support this and ignore that the myth also states that these white people are genetic "devils" predisposed to evil and trained by a "mad" or "big head" scientist as he is commonly referred to in the NOI since birth to take over for 6000 years the planet because some gods wanted us to see the evil "germ" that exists in black people.
  • That eating pork is wrong- (which is an opinion not a scientific claim) and as far as I know there is no evidence for the other claim that the reason the pig is "wrong" is because it was "created" for medicinal purposes (although it has been used historically for this reason- would not mean it was created nor for this reason), and that it was created in a genetic cross breeding experiment from a rat, cat and dog.  Oh and god said don't do it because it's bad.
  • Eating one meal a day- Is simply intermittent fasting and the idea existed before the 1930s (e.g. samurai warrior diet).  But that's not the point.  I concede that this is one of very few things that are not tied to myths (except for the one that "god" told him and if I can recall there is discrepancy with even whether the person called himself god or was called god by his followers after he disappeared- but I'm moving away from the point) 
  • Yakub- the big head, mad, devil making scientist 
  • Shabazz- tribe of rebellious, but strong! nappy headed variant of black people apart from the original and pretty straighter haired black people - I really could spend a day just on the insulting lectures behind this by certain ministers encouraging us to brush our hair so it will be straight and pretty. 
  • The mother plane, a spaceship, where god and his scientists reside hovering or somewhere waiting to come down and destroy murica and everyone that doesn't automatically 'believe' will be assumed to be with the white devils
  • The god who blew up the earth and accidentally created the moon because he was angry and wanted everyone on the planet to be the same, so since he couldn't do this tried unsuccessfully to blow up the earth...  

Myths are only historical claims to "believers." Because a believer automatically assumes it has a basis in truth.  Otherwise, everyone else recognizes a myth for what it is - an invented story and way to understand the world.  Whatever the case, no one takes a myth as a historical claim but those who only require as "proof" one man to say he met with god.

Hello Earth and Sky,

 

Originally Posted by EarthAndSky:

Hmm, lively debate we have going on here but let's keep it nice. 

 

 

"Whirling Moat", "Muhammad Cipher" and I are almost like family.  WM and I have been debating for years.  He is like a brother to me and MC is a good friend (though after this thread, I'm not so sure what he'll say lol).  They are devoted members of the NOI and I respect that their consistency denotes sincerity and devotion to what they feel is right.

 

I only mention this- because our back and forth may look weird to some if you don't know we know each other.  That said, contrary to what Moat may think this thread was not resurrected to engage him.  I was struck by the evolution of my thinking as I read through some of the dialog.  I used to be afraid to state my opinion and honestly WM and MC have been respectful of this process even though it ultimately led to my breaking away from something they hold sacred.  Nothing but gentlemen and supporters through hard times.  True gentlemen.

 

That said,

 

Possibility is not the same as plausibility.  It is also possible to live on Pluto-(as is claimed by one NOI minister (who is not associated with Min. Farrakhan), just not plausible.

 

I agree that racism is pervasive in academia and one always has to be careful of bias.  But caution is not the same as conclusion.  I cannot conclude that every scientific theory, inquiry or conclusion must be wrong if it goes against long held beliefs that stroke the ego.

 

Some of our most lauded academics are simply lazy researchers and use more emotional "logic" than not.  

 

While I am familiar with the Final Call link, and have already stated my position with regards to selective justifications for claims, I am in agreement with the NIH publishing. I will say that I think instead of focusing on Vitamin D so much, I'm more interested in UV rays and their relationship to diet,clothing as well as melanin all play a part in disease as well as "phenotype."  Investigating this will explain the Inuit, the Kuna and other racial variant curiosities across the globe. :-)

 

Originally Posted by Eudaimonia:
Hello Earth and Sky,

 

Originally Posted by EarthAndSky:

Hmm, lively debate we have going on here but let's keep it nice. 

 

 

"Whirling Moat", "Muhammad Cipher" and I are almost like family.  WM and I have been debating for years.  He is like a brother to me and MC is a good friend (though after this thread, I'm not so sure what he'll say lol).  They are devoted members of the NOI and I respect that their consistency denotes sincerity and devotion to what they feel is right.

 

I only mention this- because our back and forth may look weird to some if you don't know we know each other.  That said, contrary to what Moat may think this thread was not resurrected to engage him.  I was struck by the evolution of my thinking as I read through some of the dialog.  I used to be afraid to state my opinion and honestly WM and MC have been respectful of this process even though it ultimately led to my breaking away from something they hold sacred.  Nothing but gentlemen and supporters through hard times.  True gentlemen.

 

Thanks for the clarification. I now do not have to worry so much that this topic will turn ugly. A good debate is always nice, much preferable to arguing. 

 

That said,

 

Possibility is not the same as plausibility.  It is also possible to live on Pluto-(as is claimed by one NOI minister (who is not associated with Min. Farrakhan), just not plausible.

 

I'm not sure what you believe is not plausible: Gene manipulation or existence of a scientist named Yakub thousands of years ago? Gene manipulation has already been proven as a fact. It's been done many times with cats and dogs in particular. Are you familiar with designer babies? If not, here is a link to an article.

 

What is a designer baby?

 

In regards to history, the history we know (and much of the rest of the world) is History According White Europeans. It is true; conquerors write (or rewrite) history. My maternal ancestor, who was brought over here in chains, was from the Mandinka tribe. My grandmother said that when she was young, her white teachers told her that Timbuktu was a fable because no black Africans had a written language or even had the intellect to rule an empire. My grandmother knew about Timbuktu because her mother told her and so on and so on, back through the ancestral line, long before white historians acknowledged the fact about Timbuktu. My ancestors' facts about Timbuktu were treated as a myth, fable, or fantasy until white men (conquerors) many years later confirmed that they were telling the truth.

 

 

For many years, our people were told (by whites) that when whites came to Africa, they found us swinging in trees like monkeys with bones in our noses and speaking mumbo jumbo. We were told that we were backward, subhuman beings without an ounce of intellect. Sadly, many of us believed this falsehood and became ashamed of our roots. On the flip-side, this propaganda boosted the ego of whites. You can find some of these racist images here.

 

I don't believe the NOI is trying to build black people up at the expense of white people. I believe the NOI is being sincere in wanting us to know the real truth about ourselves as a people, not the racist crap that has been fed to us by our oppressors. If we don't know our true history, how are we to ever succeed in the future as a people? We certainly can't succeed hanging onto an inferiority complex! 

 

I came across an interesting audio, a couple of months ago, featuring Elijah Muhammad (I forgot to bookmark it, so you will have to Google it for yourself). It was made back in the late 1950s, if I recall. He talks about the origin of the moon and what is on it. This talk took place about ten years before Neil Armstrong set foot on the moon. Elijah Muhammad was told back then that he didn't know what he was talking about. Turns out he did know. How did he know?

 

Why does the moon smell like gunpowder?

 

Nuclear Blast May Have Created the Moon

 

And then there is the Dogon tribe (Mali) who knew of the existence, location, orbit, and periodicity of the star, Sirius B, long before NASA discovered it. I'm sure white scientists believed the Dogon tribe was engaging in fancy before they later discovered for themselves that the star really did exist, exactly the way the Dogons described it. How did they know?

 

Whites don't know everything about this planet or the people on it and some things they do know, they either hide it or lie about it, especially if it proves that they are not as superior as they want us to believe. They especially do not know about any history that predates them. All they can do is speculate, theorize, or make conjectures about it. Didn't they tell us for many years that the Egyptian pyramids were built by slaves? Only in recent years was this myth debunked.

 

Question: Why, in general, are theories made by whites considered valid or even factual but theories made by blacks are considered myths, fables, personal opinions, or flights of fancy until proven true by whites?

 

Food for thought:

'And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth the earth.' Holy Bible, King James version, Book of Genesis (1:26)

 

Who is 'us?' This happened on the 6th day.

 

In the second chapter of the Book of Genesis, it talks about God (only) creating man from the dust of the ground (in other Bible translations, it states that he was fashioned out of clay or mud) and God breathing life into him. This happened on the 7th day (the day that was blessed and sanctified). 

 

Either there is a major contradiction here or there is a veiled reference about a group of people who were not created by the Supreme Being. In the latter case, they would have been created by genetic engineering.

 

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