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Article published May 16, 2005

Effort to remove racist language from constitution appears dead

By BOB JOHNSON
Associated Press Writer

The Alabama Constitution still includes language left over from the state's segregationist past calling for a poll tax and directing black and white children to attend separate schools.

Efforts to pass an amendment to remove the language appeared to be dead Monday, on the final day of the 2005 session.

The language is no longer enforceable, but voters last year rejected an amendment that would have removed the sections. Opponents of the amendment, including ousted Supreme Court Chief Justice Roy Moore, complained that it would also remove 1956 wording that said children do not have a right to a state-financed education.

Several efforts this session to pass a new version of the amendment got bogged down in the debate over whether removing the 1956 language would clear the way for judges to order tax hikes to fund education.

Moore said Monday he was pleased a new version of the amendment would not pass this session.

"It was never about racist language, but about opening the door to court-ordered higher taxes and an erosion of parental rights over education of Alabama's children," Moore said.

A Senate-passed version of the proposed amendment was not placed on the work agenda in the House Monday and there were no apparent efforts to bring the issue up for a vote in the final hours of the session.

The chairman of the House Black Caucus, Rep. Oliver Robinson, D-Birmingham, said he was disappointed that the racist language will remain for now in the Constitution. He said he also wanted to remove the 1956 amendment, which according to news accounts was adopted largely as a way to avoid a U.S. Supreme Court order to integrate schools.

"I do think all of this talk about judges is a smoke screen to keep from getting to the real issue of why that language was placed in the Constitution in the first place," Robinson said.

He said the caucus would continue to fight to get racist language out of the Constitution.

"There are still elements in this state who would like to see this language remain in the Constitution," Robinson said.

The version of the proposed amendment that could have come up for a vote Monday would have deleted the racist language and also removed the 1956 amendment.

Republicans in the Legislature had favored a different version that would have removed the racist language, but would have left the amendment concerning a right to an education in place.

"I don't want to give judges the opportunity to legislate from the bench. It's our responsibility to address taxes and not judges," said Rep. Gerald Allen, R-Tuscaloosa.

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quote:
Originally posted by Kevin41:
Now I see why I drove through Mississipi and Alabama back in 1987 and almost ran out of gas because I did not want to contribute one penny to their economies.........


It's a weird place.

In 1993, I had to shut down a couple of plants in Mississippi and Louisiana. The Mississippi plant was in Meridian. Everywhere I went, the facility was staffed AND MANAGED, by African American-Americans.

The plant was operated by a rank-and-file that was more than 50% African American-American. When I had to talk to officials in Jackson about the shutdown, the voices were those of African-American-Americans, half of the time.

And yet....

Charlie still was in control.

I don't get it.


PEACE

Jim Chester
quote:
Originally posted by jazzdog:
In 1981 in my senior year at MS Valley State Univ. I did a legal internship at the North Mississippi Rural Legal Service as part of my requirements for graduating. Right next door was the White Citizans Council (KKK)building, it was to say in the least very interesting to walk by and have those people look at you.


I hear ya.

It didn't dawn on me where I was even when I landed in Meridian, MERIDIAN!!!!, and the plane stood a full story higher that the terminal building. There was an even larger plane farthre down the rarmaque with a Philadelphia banner on it.

I walk into the terminal and there is a sign saying, 'Welcome to Meridian/Philadelphia Airport'.

I thought it was curiou that it seemed a 'little festive'. I came to learn it was a 'sister city' thing. Philly Pennsylvania visiting Philly Mississippi.

It STILL didn't hit.

Then we walk into the hotel and we were greeted with, 'Welcome to Meridian, Mississippi.'

It hit me.

Goodman, Schwerner, and somebody.

Damn!!!

I'm in the belly of the beast!!!

PEACE

Jim Chester
quote:
Originally posted by jazzdog:
In 1981 in my senior year at MS Valley State Univ. I did a legal internship at the North Mississippi Rural Legal Service as part of my requirements for graduating. Right next door was the White Citizans Council (KKK)building, it was to say in the least very interesting to walk by and have those people look at you.


When can we expect the book and movie? Will Denzel play you?

I'm always baffled by the way many black folks make the KKK seem so ubiquitous. How large is that organization, anyway? Millions? Tens of millions? I guess I must be a real spring chicken. I lived in the U.S. for 13 years, served in the U.S. military, and still get back 3-4 times a year. Yet, I have never in my life met a member of the Ku Klux Klan. I guess these guys must be very secretive about their membership. And never reveal themselves by using the n-word around us uninitiated white folks!
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Originally posted by James Wesley Chester:
I hear ya.

It didn't dawn on me where I was even when I landed in Meridian, MERIDIAN!!!!, and the plane stood a full story higher that the terminal building. There was an even larger plane farthre down the rarmaque with a Philadelphia banner on it.

I walk into the terminal and there is a sign saying, 'Welcome to Meridian/Philadelphia Airport'.

I thought it was curiou that it seemed a 'little festive'. I came to learn it was a 'sister city' thing. Philly Pennsylvania visiting Philly Mississippi.

It STILL didn't hit.

Then we walk into the hotel and we were greeted with, 'Welcome to Meridian, Mississippi.'

It hit me.

Goodman, Schwerner, and somebody.

Damn!!!

I'm in the belly of the beast!!!

PEACE

Jim Chester




Jim,

LOL!!! I always enjoy your replies!

My twin daughters graduated from Temple. While students, I used to stop buy on trips to the States to say hello and, yeah, fork over the bucks to pay their bills. Speaking of "beast bellies"! Though I've lived more than half my life as a minority white among Asians and Pacific islanders, North Philly still came as a surprise to me. Beyond the perimeters of the Temple campus, white folks are about as rare as coconut crabs in North Philly! There were many times I'd stop in a store or other establishment and find myself the only white dude among the dozens of patrons and staffers! Anyway, nothing untold ever happened. And I have my secret defensive weapon: always be painfully polite to everybody. I was warned, however, by more than a few black folks too, to limit my wanderings in the North Philly neighborhood to the daylight hours. But I suppose that's sound advice in any large city.

Anyway, maybe you should one day organize a street tour of Girard Ave. and its environs for the fine folks of Meridian, Mississippi? I'm sure they'd have a good old time! (No Klan members allowed!)
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WOW!! You have lived in the U.S. for all of 13 years and its obivious you still don't know jack shit about the Klan and its history in this country that is very well documented but then you really would have to know how to read for it to make any sense to you.

Poor stupid ass white boy, its being documented that there have been klan members that served in the military, but hey you don't know any Klan members personnelly so obiviously they can't exist because you know every freaking thing.

I guess all the those Klan parades are just put on by the local actors guild to raise money to entertainment shucks like you. I would ask you if you are really that stupid but you have already answered that question.
LOL!!! I always enjoy your replies!---EgbertSousa

[I]You enjoyed a point I didn't make.

My reference to 'belly of the beast' had nothing to do with the number of people. I certainly was not in the minority.

Meridian and Philadelphia is where the civil rights workers Cheyney, Schwerner, and Goodman were murdered.

You may remember the movie 'Mississippi Burning' which documented the fight by a 'white' lawyer to prosecute the murderer of Medgar Evers.

The discomfort you experience visiting Temple University is something you knew about before you sent your daughter there.

You should know your 'over politeness' is probably providing humor to the very people you are patronizing.

Maybe that's a quid pro quo.

You enjoy my postings.

North Philly enjoys you.[I]

And the wheel keeps turning.

PEACE

Jim Chester

PEACE

Jim Chester
quote:
Originally posted by James Wesley Chester:
LOL!!! I always enjoy your replies!---EgbertSousa

[I]You enjoyed a point I didn't make.

My reference to 'belly of the beast' had nothing to do with the number of people. I certainly was not in the minority.

Meridian and Philadelphia is where the civil rights workers Cheyney, Schwerner, and Goodman were murdered.

You may remember the movie 'Mississippi Burning' which documented the fight by a 'white' lawyer to prosecute the murderer of Medgar Evers. Those events were my 'belly-of-the-beast' reference.

The discomfort you experience visiting Temple University is something you knew about before you sent your daughter there.

You should know your 'over politeness' is probably providing humor to the very people you are patronizing.

Maybe that's a quid pro quo.

You enjoy my postings.

North Philly enjoys you.[I]

And the wheel keeps turning.

PEACE

Jim Chester

PEACE

Jim Chester
Jim,

I stand corrected in misinterpreting at least part of your post. As another quid pro quo let me make a couple of corrections on something you wrote:


quote:
Originally posted by James Wesley Chester:

The discomfort you experience visiting Temple University is something you knew about before you sent your daughter there.


Jim Chester



First: I don't believe I mentioned feeling any "discomfort" in North Philly or anything approaching it. I'm pretty much at home with all kinds of folks except assholes. And assholes come in all complexions (witness the many on this board). I got to like North Philly.

Second: I didn't send my daughters to Temple. They picked it from a list of possible colleges they wanted to attend, probably because it has one of the best pre-med curricula in the sciences. The fact that they later passed the MCAT with flying colors and were duly accepted into med school (alas, they chose another school besides Temple) confirms they made the right decision to be Owls for four years. GO TEMPLE!
quote:
Originally posted by jazzdog:

I guess all the those Klan parades are just put on by the local actors guild to raise money to entertainment shucks like you. I would ask you if you are really that stupid but you have already answered that question.



jizzdog,

Thanks for the good advice, negro. Next time I'm back in the States I'll be on the lookout for one of them ubiquitous Klan parades. Every city must have them, huh? Hmmm... now you have suspicious... The last parade I recall seeing was while visiting my cousin in the Bronx (NYC) a couple of years back. It was called, I think, the National Puerto Rican Day Parade. But now that I think about it, there sure was a lot of WHITE faces among them marchers! Could they have been members of the New York Klan fronting as Boricuas? Ah Hah! I must be more skeptical next time! The KKK is everywhere!
quote:
Originally posted by EgbertSouse:
Jim,

I stand corrected in misinterpreting at least part of your post. As another quid pro quo let me make a couple of corrections on something you wrote:


quote:
Originally posted by James Wesley Chester:

The discomfort you experience visiting Temple University is something you knew about before you sent your daughter there.


Jim Chester



First: I don't believe I mentioned feeling any "discomfort" in North Philly or anything approaching it. I'm pretty much at home with all kinds of folks except assholes. And assholes come in all complexions (witness the many on this board). I got to like North Philly.

Second: I didn't send my daughters to Temple. They picked it from a list of possible colleges they wanted to attend, probably because it has one of the best pre-med curricula in the sciences. The fact that they later passed the MCAT with flying colors and were duly accepted into med school (alas, they chose another school besides Temple) confirms they made the right decision to be Owls for four years. GO TEMPLE!


I try to not assign personal intent.

You said, 'And I have my secret defensive weapon: always be painfully polite to everybody.'

I interpreted the feeling of a need for a 'defensive weapon' as discomfort.

I used 'sent' referring to your daughters going to school, because it's the vernacular I am accustom to when children leave home to go to school.

If you perceived some malice in the term, it was not my intent.


PEACE

Jim Chester
quote:
Originally posted by EgbertSouse:
quote:
Originally posted by jazzdog:

I guess all the those Klan parades are just put on by the local actors guild to raise money to entertainment shucks like you. I would ask you if you are really that stupid but you have already answered that question.



jizzdog,

Thanks for the good advice, negro. Next time I'm back in the States I'll be on the lookout for one of them ubiquitous Klan parades. Every city must have them, huh? Hmmm... now you have suspicious... The last parade I recall seeing was while visiting my cousin in the Bronx (NYC) a couple of years back. It was called, I think, the National Puerto Rican Day Parade. But now that I think about it, there sure was a lot of WHITE faces among them marchers! Could they have been members of the New York Klan fronting as Boricuas? Ah Hah! I must be more skeptical next time! The KKK is everywhere!


Nergo, how utterly white of you! Yes, idiot the KKK is quite well established but then if you weren't the moron you are, you would know that. I guess the really scary part about this whole forum is that you have indicated that you actually produced offspring, I guess the best thing for all of us to hope for is that the milkman is actually their father and not you.

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