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Education: then and now
Jan 12, 2006
by Thomas Sowell

Recent news that school children in Charlotte, North Carolina, had the highest test scores among children in big cities across the country had a special impact on me. Back in the late 1930s, I went to school in Charlotte and, while I don't know what the test scores were then, I do know that we were far behind the children going to school in New York.

That became painfully clear when my family moved north and I enrolled in a school in Harlem in 1939. From being the top student in my class down in North Carolina I was suddenly the bottom student in my class in Harlem -- and struggling to try to catch up.

Decades later, my research turned up the fact that the kids I couldn't keep up with in that school back then had an average IQ of 84. Contrary to fashionable beliefs, it was not the racial segregation that made the education inferior in Charlotte, since the school in Harlem was also a black school.


It was common in those days for a kid from the South to be set back a full year when he entered school in New York. The difference in educational standards was that great.

I had somehow persuaded the principal to let me be an exception. It was a mistake on his part and mine. I was clearly a year behind the kids who had gone to school in Harlem.

Three years later, I had caught up and pulled ahead, and was now assigned to a class for advanced students, where the average IQ was over 120.

That does not mean that IQs don't matter. It means that I had a lot of work to do to get my act together in the meantime, in order to overcome the disadvantage of an inferior education in North Carolina.

Fast forward a few more years. I am now in the Marine Corps, going through boot camp at Parris Island, South Carolina. When the mental test results from my platoon were tabulated, the man in charge expressed amazement at how many high scores there were.

"Where are you guys from?" he asked. "New York? Pennsylvania?"

We were from New York -- and the high quality of our schools at that time was undoubtedly a factor in the high test scores we made.

No one in those days would have thought that Charlotte schools would end up turning out better educated students than the schools in New York. I don't know what has happened in Charlotte but I do know what has happened in New York.

Some years ago, when I looked at the math textbooks that my nieces in Harlem were using, I discovered that they were being taught in the 11th grade what I had been taught in the 9th grade. Even if they were the best students around, they would still be two years behind -- with their chances in life correspondingly reduced.

New York City has two kinds of high school diplomas -- its own locally recognized diploma, that is not recognized by the state or by many colleges, and the state's Regents' diploma for high school graduates who have scored above a given level on the Regents' exam.

The Regents diploma is for students who are serious about going on to a good college. Only 9 percent of black students and 10 percent of Latino students receive Regents diplomas.

That a Southern city's school children would now top the list of big city test scores may be due to the fact that the South has not jumped on the bandwagon of the latest fads in education to the same extent as avant garde places like New York City, where spending per pupil is about 50 percent above the national average.

These fads now include the dogma that racial "diversity" improves education, as does emphasis on racial "identity." In reality, a recent study shows that black students who perform well in racially integrated schools are unpopular with their black classmates. They are accused of "acting white," a charge that can bring anything from ostracism to outright violence.

The same is not true to the same extent among blacks attending all-black schools. Hispanic students' popularity likewise falls off sharply -- even more so than among blacks -- as their grade-point average rises.

Is it surprising that white and Asian American children do better without these self-inflicted handicaps to academic achievement? Is it surprising that New York City schools are now paying the price for avant garde educational dogmas?

Sowell is a Rose and Milton Friedman Senior Fellow.
http://www.friedmanfoundation.org/Thomas
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Originally posted by Sweetwuzzy:
Is it surprising that white and Asian American children do better without these self-inflicted handicaps to academic achievement?


No, because Black children are not White or Asian children. Black children are just as academically capable, smart, and competent as other children, but because they are Black, they are often times treated differently than other children, particularly in academic environments. Thus, whatever "academic handicaps" that Black students develop as result of past and present mistreatment is not "self-inflicted," but inflicted upon them by society. And this is what "racial identity education" seeks to address and ultimately eliminate: educational mistreatment and differential treatment. Mr. Sowell, racial identity education DOES NOT seek to make excuses for not learning, but to give EVERY child, regardless of their race or gender, an EQUAL opportunity to do their best. It's not enough to tell Black kids to pull themselves up by the bootstraps and "do like the smart Asian kids do." We must encourage Black students to do their best without making belittling comparisons.
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LOL, Isome, you know this has been going on ever since slavery. Remember the old House Kneegrow who would put the fire out if the Massa's house caught on fire?

"We sick, bohs!"


Thomas Sowell is nothing more than a William F. Buckley-type dressed up in a Black man's body. He's nothing more than a tool for White Conservative Status-Quo defenders to go: "Hey look! This Nigra agrees with us! He sees the light in our reasoning. Why can't the rest of you Nigras be the same way? Why can't you aspire to be a credit to your race like this man? Racism is dead, maybe you all should stop complaining about our System, stop being 'lazy', take 7 jobs, STFU about racism and lick our boots. He did it, and you can too!"

(all he did was lick boot and STFU about racism, Affirmative Action got him ahead the rest of the way)


Thomas Sowell is an Uncle Tom of the worst kind: one who tries to intellectualize his self-loathing and slavic protection of a corrupt status quo that exploits and oppresses his own people, and tries to use pseudo-intellectualism to "prove" why it should remain that way. Then blames Black people for any problems in the System.

Sowell reminds me of that scene from "Don't Be A Menace While Drinking Your Juice In The Hood" where Bernie Mac played a self-hating Black cop and started loathing Shawn Wayans as he arrested him for being Black, "Goddamn nigger! I hate yo' skin, 'cuz it's Black! I even hate my gun, 'cuz it's black!"
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Originally posted by Empty Purnata:
Thomas Sowell is nothing more than a William F. Buckley-type dressed up in a Black man's body. He's nothing more than a tool for White Conservative Status-Quo defenders to go: "Hey look! This Nigra agrees with us! He sees the light in our reasoning. Why can't the rest of you Nigras be the same way?


That has actually happened to me!! I had a white co-worker barge into my office and proceed to explain to me that G.W. Bush was a genius, that I was single and in my office on memorial day because black values were defective, and all sorts of other things about black folk like I couldn't possibly know the subject better than her. * All the while, she was citing Thomas Sowell like he was the only negro worth reading or knowing anything about *.
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It's really simple to explain: She's a moron herself.
I had a co-worker, a pretty "squared-away" guy... well, a guy that's pretty much a model employee come at me in much the same way your co-worker did.

I mean, here it was and otherwise smart and "good guy" coming at me saying some patently dumb shit about "[Black] people listen to leaders like Jesse Jackson... <*bullshit*><*bullshit*><*bullshit*>" when [1] He and I had never had a conversation about Jesse and [2] He and I had never had a conversation about politics per se, much less RACE in Politics. So, as a result, I just had to look at him or ignore him until he shut up.

Now, mind you, this is the same guy who wanted to blame Clinton for the moral decay in American society. So, I guess we are dealing with a class of MORONIC Lemmings who get their Talking Points from shit they see/hear on TV and act like that stuff amounts to their Marching Orders.

Now, this guy, this smart guy, academically hadn't achieved much and for damn sure no more than I have/had but for some reason he thought he had some wisdom to impart to me. And, again, considering the type of conversations we would have, mostly centered around job and family, much like you situation, apparently... this stuff just came right out of the blue.

I guess they just have things they have to get off their chests. *LOL*
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Originally posted by Empty Purnata:
Thomas Sowell is nothing more than a William F. Buckley-type dressed up in a Black man's body. He's nothing more than a tool for White Conservative Status-Quo defenders to go: "Hey look! This Nigra agrees with us! He sees the light in our reasoning. Why can't the rest of you Nigras be the same way?


That has actually happened to me!! I had a white co-worker barge into my office and proceed to explain to me that G.W. Bush was a genius, that I was single and in my office on memorial day because black values were defective, and all sorts of other things about black folk like I couldn't possibly know the subject better than her. * All the while, she was citing Thomas Sowell like he was the only negro worth reading or knowing anything about *.


laugh

I've run into types like that too back in high school and now in college. I've had White kids (and adults) go on about how Affirmative Action and welfare make Minorities "lazy", and cite Black Conservatives.

Often times, I have no problem debunking them and using Black Progressives/Liberals to refute the Black Conservative rhetoric.


Ever notice that when these Status Quo-defenders are refuted, they get nasty? They start delving into racism, bigotry, sexism, or just start name-calling.

I really do believe that some elements of Conservatism appeal to baser elments of Human Nature (like the Capitalist myth that "Greed is good").
Ever notice that when these Status Quo-defenders are refuted, they get nasty? They start delving into racism, bigotry, sexism, or just start name-calling.---Empty Purnata

You have to realize that until Thomas Sowell, and others of similar persuasion, that person had no one.

Well...there was Booker T. and such.

When you take Sowell away, they are left with yelling and stamping their feet.

And cursing, and 'getting in your family'.

As a matter of fact, I think this piece is one of Dr. Sowell's more pragmatic efforts.

I was surprised.

What is there in his piece that is not true, or misrepresents?


PEACE

Jim Chester
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Black children are just as academically capable, smart, and competent as other children, but because they are Black, they are often times treated differently than other children, particularly in academic environments.


Are you saying that Dr. Sowell said otherwise (with respect to the first phrase of your response)?

Who are these people who are treating Black kids differently than these "OTHER CHILDREN"?

As our public school increase their REsegregation they are more likely to sit next to other Black kids and increasingly be taught by Black teachers.


I can speak from PERSONAL EXPERIENCE about how more than 20 years ago when I was in high school I had the dual roll of being in the "Rapid Track" in my high school AND being the starting center on my high school basketball team. My team mates who were NOT in the "rapid" group resented the fact that the coach put me in the starting spot rather than "THEIR BOY" who was more down with them. This conflict was more evidence of the general resentment between the group of students who had AP classes and those who didn't take their education as seriously.

The funny thing is the guy who they wanted to start in my place was KICKED OFF OF THE TEAM after about 3 games after a series of disciplinary infractions both in the classroom and during practice.

I WAS A VICTIM OF "DIFFERENT TREATMENT". I have been dealing with pressures "to be SMART or COOL" all of my academic career.

Our 10 year H.S. reunion showed me how fortunate I was to have the parents that I did to guide me. Many of these same "big men on campus" in the context of high school and the MENTALITY that runs throughout had seemingly been "pimp smaked" by life's realities.

In hindsight I came to the understanding that our team had so many INTERNAL BATTLES among each other that no one provided leadership and had us to fight for the common goal of winning for the entire team which would have allowed each of us to bury our differences and celebrate our common success. This message board has many of the same disfunction that I saw on my high school basketball team. Rather than addressing some clear failures of the "team" many of you would rather heap blame on a few people, tearing them down rather than putting forth some EFFECTIVE strategies for WINNING the race.

The state of academics in our community is metaphorically represented as a river which has massive pollution at it's estuary but which started from a clean spring at it's source. All of the pollution and contimination that was thrown into the river as it made it's way allowed it to become what it is today. Those who are SERIOUS about cleaning up the river will work to keep the water pure all along the way. Focusing on how 'your enemy' is contaiminating your river while you turn your head to the chemical waste that 'your friends' are putting in STILL LEADS TO A POLLUTED RIVER
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Thomas Sowell is nothing more than a William F. Buckley-type dressed up in a Black man's body. He's nothing more than a tool for White Conservative Status-Quo defenders to go


The TACTIC OF THE KNEEGROW..........arrange things so that a LABEL can be placed on a person and then characterize the person via the LABEL.

All words that he says - EVEN THE ONE'S THAT YOU AGREE WITH - will be discounted because they have been produced by the person who holds this label.

All DEBATE ENDS. Very effective strategy Empty.


for the record the label that I often use (Black Quasi-Socialist Progressive Fundamentalist) is a operative description that the actions of those who are addressed as such bear out WITH THEIR EXPRESSIONS OF THEIR IDEOLOGY.

It's funny who it is said that "Sowell sounds like a White Conservative" but these same people fail to note how much they sound like White Socialist leaning individuals who don't believe that Black people will ever order ourselves accordingly that we might acheive a higher end. The are their to provide us ABUNDANT HELP and to receive support for their goals of power in return. As long as the KNEEGROW doesn't express any sentiments for INDEPENDENCE (ex: Reparations) the White Socialist will continue in the Superior/Subordinate orientation that favors him so.
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Originally posted by Constructive Feedback:
The TACTIC OF THE KNEEGROW..........arrange things so that a LABEL can be placed on a person and then characterize the person via the LABEL.
.................All DEBATE ENDS. Very effective strategy Empty.


You're so sensitive Frown So I'll try not to call you any more names. Anyway, you have something of a point.

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It's funny who it is said that "Sowell sounds like a White Conservative" but these same people fail to note how much they sound like White Socialist leaning individuals


The key difference - which you have characteristically failed to note - is that white conservatives have a long history of active antagonism against black interests. Remember that Ronald Reagan began his first presidential campaign where? Ever hear of Philadelphia, Mississippi? For the bonus, do you know the only thing that town is famous for?

Keep learning. You might amount to something yet, boy.
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The key difference - which you have characteristically failed to note - is that white conservatives have a long history of active antagonism against black interests.
And with that noted, CON-Feed? What do
"White Socialist leaning individuals" sound like and why in the hell does your WHITE ASS think your issues with "socialists", etc. resonates here?

So, there you go. Put up or SHUT THE FUCK UP!!
You have to demonstrate how this ERRONEOUS idea, your assertion that people here "sound like White Socialist leaning individuals"... how sounding like White Socialists (name five such, prominent and public and actual White Socialist or STFU) is as bad or worst than sounding like White [RACIST] CONservatives.

Now, go ahead and run from this thread too (like all the others when you get challenged). You've been issued your Weasel Walking Papers.
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Originally posted by HonestBrother:
The key difference - which you have characteristically failed to note - is that white conservatives have a long history of active antagonism against black interests. Remember that Ronald Reagan began his first presidential campaign where? Ever hear of Philadelphia, Mississippi? For the bonus, do you know the only thing that town is famous for?

Keep learning. You might amount to something yet, boy.


NOT another RONALD REAGAN KICKED OFF HIS PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN IN PHILADELPHIA MS claim.

I have posted the TEXT AND VERSE OF HIS WORDS several times and asked anyone to detail for me the RACISM in his speech there.

They all resort to the SYMBOLISM angle in which a visit to Philly MS is RACIST.

I went to an Indian Gaming casino in that city. THERE ARE SEEMINGLY NOW MORE BLACKS LIVING IN THIS CITY THAN WHITE. Is it RACIST for me to go there?


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DisHonestBrother:

Black people have had a problem with RACIST White people not just "CONSERVATIVE whites".

Thomas Jefferson was a LIBERAL AND A RACIST to the core. Woodrow Wilson paved the way for child labor laws and the early framework for Social Security. FDR locked up all Japanese in this country.

The harm done to us by Liberal Whites who on the inside don't believe that Black people are their equals and who offer abundant help just as our muscles as a people are getting strong enough to power us on our own seek to MAINTAIN THEIR INFLUENCE UPON US and prevent us from CONSTRUCTING A PROCESS FOR PROBLEM SOLIVING ON OUR OWN.

These people who come with TOO MUCH HELP because of their racist notions that we are not capable are as harmful as those who don't give any because of their racism.

The native Americans thought that the blankets that were given to keep them warm was a jesture of GOODWILL.
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As long as the KNEEGROW doesn't express any sentiments for INDEPENDENCE (ex: Reparations) the White Socialist will continue in the Superior/Subordinate orientation that favors him so.
SELF-HATRED...

Name those "Black Quasi-Socialist Progressive Fundamentalists" here who are opposed to or otherwise adverse to such sentiments of Independence a la Reparations, etc.

There's a whole Reparations Forum where a number of those whom you LABEL "BLPF" (one fucked up label, as a matter of fact) have expressed such a desire for "independence" yet you still think your BS WHITE BOY "socialist" RED SCARE tactic has some resonance.

Please stop the SELF-HATRED.
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NOT another RONALD REAGAN KICKED OFF HIS PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN IN PHILADELPHIA MS claim.


Un-CON-structive Feedback, that's not a claim. That's a fact. Do you dispute its accuracy?

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I have posted the TEXT AND VERSE OF HIS WORDS several times and asked anyone to detail for me the RACISM in his speech there.


Only an idiot would be ignorant of the significance of the statement "I believe in states' rights" within the context of American political life. But then I promised not to call you any names.

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They all resort to the SYMBOLISM angle in which a visit to Philly MS is RACIST.


It wasn't just a 'visit'. It was the first stop in a * Presidential Campaign * to a po dump town only known for one goddamned thing.

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Black people have had a problem with RACIST White people not just "CONSERVATIVE whites".

The harm done to us by Liberal Whites who on the inside don't believe that Black people are their equals and who offer abundant help just as our muscles as a people are getting strong enough to power us on our own seek to MAINTAIN THEIR INFLUENCE UPON US and prevent us from CONSTRUCTING A PROCESS FOR PROBLEM SOLIVING ON OUR OWN.

These people who come with TOO MUCH HELP because of their racist notions that we are not capable are as harmful as those who don't give any because of their racism.

The native Americans thought that the blankets that were given to keep them warm was a jesture of GOODWILL.


You know...I almost agree with this statement. I won't lie. I've had my problems with some white liberals. But you know I'd rather try to educate those who are willing and capable of being educated than work side by side with those who have open contempt for me. You find Anti-Racism campaigns not among white conservatives but among white liberals.

You lost me with the final statement. As usual, you mix apples and oranges in making your case. The blankets given were not a good will gesture - even one tainted with some racist notions. That was an act of * intentional * malice. Are you making that case for the Liberal agenda?

Ah, F*ck it. I'm backing off my promise not to call you names. It's too much fun. Besides, you deserve most of the names people throw your way.
Reading for COMPREHENSION is fundamental.

I SAID FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE WHITE LIBERAL RACIST as long as the Black man does not express any notions of REAL INDEPEDENCE - such as the drive for REPARATIONS - then the Black man will remain in the good graces of the White Protective Liberal.

When Ted Kennedy is "attacking the system" on behalf of the BQPF he is a friend who will help them acheive their goals WITHIN THE SYSTEM ITSELF.

When the issue of REPARATIONS comes about it is TED KENNEDY that is PART OF THE SYSTEM that Black people are demanding funds (and other initiatives) from. Black people want the FUNDS because of the past actions of the country in which this country OWES BLACKS these funds and thus BLACK PEOPLE CAN SPEND THIS MONEY AS THEY PLEASE. This causes a CONFLICT with White Liberals. This shows Blacks as seeking to come out from under their protectorate and express SELF DETERMINATION.

These liberal Whites will get the loyal Black Democrats to keep the rebels in line. They will remind them of all that the party has done for "you people". They will tell them how bad the Republcians have treated them and ask if Blacks would really withstand the onslought of attacks by Republicans without the help of the White Liberal that is providing guidance.

The White Liberal must remind Blacks how weak we are and are in need of them.
They can never allow Black people to form a vision of the future in which Black people, having constructed our own economic, military and cultural power NOW STAND AS EQUALS WITH THEM


The Black Quasi-Socialist Progressive Fundamentals knows that just as China standing tall is a threat to America, if Black people were to order ourselves in a similar manner WE would be seen as a threat to the 'king of the hill', America.

Today so many in the BQPF community have assimilated and they sound just like a xenophobic capitalist when it comes to protecting the American economy from foreign competition for jobs.
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Originally posted by Constructive Feedback:
Reading for COMPREHENSION is fundamental.


ohsnap GOODIE!! You're already learning for 2006!!!!

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When the issue of REPARATIONS comes about it is TED KENNEDY that is PART OF THE SYSTEM that Black people are demanding funds (and other These liberal Whites will get the loyal Black Democrats to keep the rebels in line. They will remind them of all that the party has done for "you people".


You're going to get reparations from the party of George W? You're kiddin right? Roll Eyes

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The White Liberal must remind Blacks how weak we are and are in need of them.
They can never allow Black people to form a vision of the future in which Black people, having constructed our own economic, military and cultural power NOW STAND AS EQUALS WITH THEM



As usual, your assertions depend on rigid stereotypes of * both * White Liberals AND black liberals. I'm not going to waste my time picking this crap apart.

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Today so many in the BQPF community have assimilated and they sound just like a xenophobic capitalist when it comes to protecting the American economy from foreign competition for jobs.


There are no more xenophobic capitalists. Where have you been for the last 15 years?
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Reading for COMPREHENSION is fundamental.

I SAID FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE WHITE LIBERAL RACIST as long as the Black man does not express any notions of REAL INDEPEDENCE - such as the drive for REPARATIONS - then the Black man will remain in the good graces of the White Protective Liberal.
Yes, READING IS FUNDAMENTAL... And you have yet to show compentency in even the most rudimentary, pre-school level material.

The first thing you need to do is figure out who the fuck you're talking about.
At first you said: White Socialist leaning individuals
Now, you're trying to pawn off this BS idea (i.e. something you're more or less making up as we go) of:
WHITE LIBERAL RACIST

First, let me say: TO HELL WITH YOUR BS "Who's The Better WHITE MAN Game."
I don't give a single, solitary fuck about either which a one. So try that dumb, "See Spot run" BULLSHIT somewhere else.

Now, for the record the label you stated how you use the term (Black Quasi-Socialist Progressive Fundamentalist) because, according to you, it bears out "WITH THEIR EXPRESSIONS OF THEIR IDEOLOGY." In other words, you made it all about those BLPF's/BQSPF's and said, pretty directly, that not only do they not EXPRESS AN IDEOLOGY with sentiments of "Independence" but, more or less, accept a SUBORDINATE, dependent, lackey role with respect to WHITE SOCIALIST.

I know it's hard for you but basic logic says WHITE SOCIALIST does not equal WHITE LIBERALS. Even WHITE RACIST LIBERALS. You need to get you shit straight and stop PUNKING OUT when you get called on your BULLSHIT.

I mean, this shit is beyond pathetic. I mean look at this shit you said in the other thread:
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You are a FUNCTION of White Folks Nmaginate.

You can't find yourself until the WHITE MAN makes his move.

In the equation "Y = -1 * X" You are the Y and you can't define yourself unti the White man's X has a value placed within.
Seriously, when you say BULLSHIT like that... all you are doing is saying YOU'RE NOT IN NMAG'S LEAGUE. Instead of having the stones to actually contend with or contradict what I actually say, you do some creative writing BS and make some shit up to soothe that FANTASTIC SAMS psychic spasms I must give you every time your BS is undercut with the logic, truth and reason that I present.

Yes! I still got your Wolf Tickets and I'm your MIRROR punk. And you know that.


Frown "I SAID FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE WHITE LIBERAL RACIST" Frown

Nothing but the SLAPPED B*TCH Syndrome. Always crying and LYING your ass off, trying to stop yet another beat down.
But, go ahead, and share with us the thoughts and ideas RACIST WHITE CONSERVATIVES have about people like you, Sowell, etc. This should be interesting since you want to explore the mind of WHITE [RACIST]. Go right ahead. Don't stop with the Ted Kennedy types... Talk about every single WHITE one of them with no respect to ideology. Don't be biased. Be bold and broad in your exploration or be the defeated, pathetic PUNK you are with this "Better WHITE MAN" BULLSHIT and this White Liberals Are Racist (Too) BULLSHIT as if you're presenting some type of revelation, with your WHITE ASS.

Now, I can find and have had discussions on-line with WHITE BOYS who have said everything you have, essentially. Right down to the "White Liberals This", "White Liberals That"... Now why is that, CON-Feed? Why is that "WHITE BOY"??
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You're going to get reparations from the part of George W? You're kiddin right?


I am not sure why I waste my time.

I said NOTHING about getting reparations from Bush.

Several weeks ago a frat brother of mine told me that Bush wasted billions in Iraq that he could have given to Black people as reparations.

I asked him why is he so vocal about what "his enemy" has failed to do with his deficit spending to fund a war but he is so silent about what his friend has failed to do to pay the debt he owes to Blacks all the while having a SURPLUS. The end result for Black people are the SAME....NOTHING.

(You even have some KNEEGROWS like Kevin who CHEERLEAD about the Surplus that was generated from Wall Street's activity while missing the point that Blacks got no REPARATIONS despite waving their pompoms about the abundance of money in DC.
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Seriously, when you say BULLSHIT like that... all you are doing is saying YOU'RE NOT IN NMAG'S LEAGUE



Little Fella:

DO YOU NOT make use of the past actions of WHITE FOLKS in their use of vouchers to escape public schools that were integrating AS A BASIS FOR YOUR DISMISSAL OF VOUCHERS?

I simply asked you - WHY SHOULD BLACK FOLKS BASE THE POLICIES THAT WE SUPPORT ON WHAT THE WHITE MAN HAS DONE? You didn't mind sounding like a racist White union member in the North from back in the day in your support for the Davis-Bacon act which was originally put forth against Black people who were migrating NORTH.
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You didn't mind sounding like a racist White union member in the North from back in the day in your support for the Davis-Bacon act which was originally put forth against Black people who were migrating NORTH.
QUOTE ME OR STROKE ME!!! B*TCH!!!

Now, scroll your PUNK ASS up to the top of the page, click on FIND (i.e. search) and find a post where I've had anything to say, one way or the other about the Davis-Bacon Act. Since you cannot and will not... SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!

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I simply asked you - WHY SHOULD BLACK FOLKS BASE THE POLICIES THAT WE SUPPORT ON WHAT THE WHITE MAN HAS DONE?
Wait a minute... Searching... Okay, I found it.
scream ... ENGLISH !!!
    SPEAK IT...
    ............. READ IT...
    .................. LEARN TO COMPREHEND IT...

The BASIS of my dismissal and disagreement is not some silly BULLSHIT about the "past actions of WHITE FOLKS." Not a single damn thing in what I said, for someone with the ability to read "ENGLISH!" can be twisted to try to make that the basis or sum-total of what I said.

That RHETORIC, too... will not work. And why are you BEGGING ME with your usual, weak and impotent RHETORICAL QUESTIONS??? (i.e. something substantive, as opposed to suggestive, leading/loaded, is just too damn hard for you.)

Why are you begging me to see my position in the fucked up way you want my position to be?

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DO YOU NOT make use of the past actions of WHITE FOLKS in their use of vouchers to escape public schools that were integrating AS A BASIS FOR YOUR DISMISSAL OF VOUCHERS?
No, you ILLITERATE MOTHERF@CKA!!! I do not. I don't and didn't. SCROLL - SEARCH: "Nmag + Vouchers"

When you learn how to pick out the Main Idea (you know, a basic fuckin' ENGLISH competency)... when you actually consider what I have said about Vouchers... ALL THE THINGS I've had to say about Vouchers... Then talk. Until then ---->>> SHUT THE FUCK UP!
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You're going to get reparations from the party of George W? You're kiddin right?


I am not sure why I waste my time.

I said NOTHING about getting reparations from Bush.


So please explain where these reparations are going to come rom. This is something you're for? Am I correct? If you're for it, it will only come from the system as it presently exists (Democrat or Republican). Either that or you radically change the system. Which you don't seem to favor. But you disparage Democrats. That leaves the Republicans. But that means you're really * not * serious.
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You didn't mind sounding like a racist White union member in the North from back in the day in your support for the Davis-Bacon act which was originally put forth against Black people who were migrating NORTH.
QUOTE ME OR STROKE ME!!! B*TCH!!!

Now, scroll your PUNK ASS up to the top of the page, click on FIND (i.e. search) and find a post where I've had anything to say, one way or the other about the Davis-Bacon Act. Since you cannot and will not... SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!

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I simply asked you - WHY SHOULD BLACK FOLKS BASE THE POLICIES THAT WE SUPPORT ON WHAT THE WHITE MAN HAS DONE?
Wait a minute... Searching... Okay, I found it.


CON-Feed: "......*stuttering*...........Well, you depend on a CAPITALIST system created by the White Man. Why don't you go back to Africa and try making your SOCIALIST paradise over there where the White Man won't oppress you!.......*stuttering*........You use services invented by the White Man (the White Man invented and built America, you just live here), so you are a hypocrite!!!1111! You even use services made by WHITE LIBERALS meant to keep you dependent on the System!!!LOLOLOLOLOL!!11111!!111one11!!one.......*stuttering*.......Insteading of fighting "Whitey"....*stuttering*......we should fight those WITHIN who do more to oppress us and show THE SYSTEM that they can trust us with their money! Then they will remove the Glass Ceiling! That's my vision!!LOL!!!1111one"
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Originally posted by Kevin41:
I've just been sitting back and reading...and all I can conclude is....if CF is black....he is a modern-day travesty...and if CFR is white....that judgemental, pseudo-white supremacist bullshit is not selling in here........


Do I need to talk about momma again?
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So please explain where these reparations are going to come rom. This is something you're for? Am I correct? If you're for it, it will only come from the system as it presently exists (Democrat or Republican). Either that or you radically change the system. Which you don't seem to favor. But you disparage Democrats. That leaves the Republicans. But that means you're really * not * serious.



As I told my frat brother who encouraged me to join "N'Cobra" - I would consider joining BUT since he told me that they have a dual approach - REPARATION FROM AMERICA FOR SLAVERY and THE PROCESS FOR INTERNAL REPAIR WITHIN BLACK AMERICA. I told him that I would BE MORE FOCUSED ON THE INTERNAL REPAIR PROCESS. I would never do anything to stand in the way of the receipt of resources from America in the name of "Reparations" but this seems to me to be very much so less important toward acheiving the overall end point.

So I ask you HonestBrother -WHY DO YOU ESTABLISH SUCH A DICHOTOMY that does not encapsulate all of the options that are in front of African-Americans?
Do we need to say how much of a little PUSSY ass PUNK you are? Always running when the logical heat is on and you can't substantiate a damn, single thing of your own?

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QUOTE ME OR STROKE ME!!! B*TCH!!!

...When you learn how to pick out the Main Idea (you know, a basic fuckin' ENGLISH competency)... when you actually consider what I have said about Vouchers... ALL THE THINGS I've had to say about Vouchers... Then talk.
What was that? You CLAIMED something was the BASIS for my dismissal of Vouchers?

Don't run. Be a man. Stand and fight. Defend your BULLSHIT assertions. I won't even make you come up with a reason why you puked out some shit about the Davis-Bacon Act. Another one of your latest BULLSHIT-buzzword, RAT HOLE TALKING POINTS, huh?
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As our public school increase their REsegregation they are more likely to sit next to other Black kids and increasingly be taught by Black teachers.


This statement is incorrect. According to research studies, most students who apply (and are accepted) into teacher education programs are White females. In fact, school systems across the country have and still are reporting a shortage in Black and Latino teachers, particularly Black male teachers. In response to this shortage, school systems have partnered with teacher education programs across the country in an effort to recruit more minority teachers. Please refer to the thread "Are Public Schools Failing Black Boys?" for more information about how African-American children are treated in academic settings.

"I agree that HOW THE MONEY IS SPENT and THE ENVIRONMENT THAT THE ADULTS who are invovled in the situation create is key. These adults being the parents, the teachers, the school administrators and the community at large."
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So please explain where these reparations are going to come rom. This is something you're for? Am I correct? If you're for it, it will only come from the system as it presently exists (Democrat or Republican). Either that or you radically change the system. Which you don't seem to favor. But you disparage Democrats. That leaves the Republicans. But that means you're really * not * serious.



I told him that I would BE MORE FOCUSED ON THE INTERNAL REPAIR PROCESS. I would never do anything to stand in the way of the receipt of resources from America in the name of "Reparations" but this seems to me to be very much so less important toward acheiving the overall end point.

So I ask you HonestBrother -WHY DO YOU ESTABLISH SUCH A DICHOTOMY that does not encapsulate all of the options that are in front of African-Americans?


My purpose was * NOT * to establish a dichotomy that encapsulated all the options in front of African Americans. As I agree that there are many other more urgent matters.

I was * Only * addressing the single issue of reparations. And thank you for answering my question: In regards to the issue of reparations, you're really NOT serious.

Forgetting already? : Reading for COMPREHENSION is fundamental.
Of course, CON... CON... CON-Feed is not serious. Too much SELF-HATRED to be serious.

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  • I told my frat brother... I would consider joining BUT since he told me that they have a dual approach.

  • I told him that I would BE MORE FOCUSED ON THE INTERNAL REPAIR PROCESS.

    So I ask you HonestBrother - WHY DO YOU ESTABLISH SUCH A DICHOTOMY?
  • ek HUH? ek

    Pardon me, but I'd be damn if this motherf@cka isn't back to TWO FRONTIN' again. And can you see the irony?

    This Negro talks about a Dichotomy while saying, "I'm for one (and not so much the other)." And he dares invokes and praises a "Dual Approach" even as he promotes no such thing. The Definition of TWO FRONTIN'
    CF...you can talk about my momma all you like...because my parents were not the racially afflicted coons like yours who raised you with those antebellum views where colored folk like them knew their place..plus I know you would never have the balls to say schit in my face...and even though what a coonin azz lackey says never bothers me......i'd stomp your azz beyond recognition just because of your level of bitch azz imposition......you are a weak azz dick sucking failure as a black man, you are a sick inferior inbred fool as a white man....and you lack the intellect to ever be anything worth a shit....no matter how much you let your white bosses take you to the bathouses and sodomize you........for meager promotions that make you feel like an unalike as you bleed in your drawers.....you are a loser..and you are trying to go through life other than the way a strong black man does...getting theirs without compromising their values and dignity......and now you want to hold the blakc race to task in order to relieve your own afflicted, coonin lackey azz mind...well it is not working and the desperate measures you take in here daily to attain credibility and sell your pro-white views to the black progressives...shows how mired you are in your own existence..negro I reduced you from trying to debate a policy issue to talking about my momma.....now how is that for me taking mental control of a negro or a white inbred and demonstrating their intellectual inferiority...you'll always be a literary bitch of mine...who I do not even want and will throw to the next guy so he can abuse you and toss you out also....
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    As our public school increase their REsegregation they are more likely to sit next to other Black kids and increasingly be taught by Black teachers.


    This statement is incorrect. According to research studies, most students who apply (and are accepted) into teacher education programs are White females.


    I can attest to this. I've taught math education courses and 80% or more of the class will be white women. There will be a few black women. A handful of white males and practically no black males.

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