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'Dominican' Voudo / Vodun etc...

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so is that the form you practice?

I get confused alot with vodoo, voudo (however you chose to pronounce/spell it) b/c it is practiced in many different regions and although each region in general practices the same things each has its own specfic practices, beliefs, names etc... associated with it. i get haitian vodou(sp?), Lousiana voodoo, Yourban voudu and santeria mixed up, its hard to distinguish which one is which. i never heard of dominican voudo before but the site said it is just like haitian voudo so i am somewhat familiar at least with the basics of it.

I'm sure i probably said this to you before but even if i didn't-The best class (in terms of interest, material, etc...) i ever took in college thus far was an African Sprituality class i took in Undergrad. i looked forward to this class every week and actually looked forward to receiving homework. ek We learned alot about the christian and muslim influences in africa and of course Voudo. i became so interested in it that i read double and sometimes triple the amount of material that was required of us, it sparked something in me really that is hard to explain in words. in a way i became a different person. i became more introspective and spiritual than i had been before. i often times think about going back and getting a degree in african religion but financial restraints make me second guess it, i can't afford the grad. school i'm in now, but maybe someday i will do it.
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Originally posted by msprettygirl:

...i became so interested in it that i read double and sometimes triple the amount of material that was required of us, it sparked something in me really that is hard to explain in words. in a way i became a different person. i became more introspective and spiritual than i had been before...
That was the "ancients" calling you to your destiny...

So, did you investigate further on your own?
It's funny that u say that, but i kinda got that feeling. Yes i did a little bit of "investigating" after. I grew up in a black southern baptist church whose founding members also practiced Voodoo (as it's called down here) and as a child i did not really understand it- as a matter of fact it terrified me. i would always imagine and have dreams sleepthat they were drinking animal blood, ripping live chicken heads off and calling on the devil, but now that i am older, better informed and have become very interested in it i have sat down and talked with my mother and former fellow church member about their practices in more detail. I also looked into the use of the religion within my own family, where it was revealed to me that my great grandmother whom died when i was about 10 practiced voodoo and her mother and her mothers mother did before that. Also it has been hinted around that my grandfather practiced it too, which i always believed b/c he has talked to me through dreams and things which may or may not have anything to do with his involvement with the religion.
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Originally posted by msprettygirl:
Oshun-with Ifa do you call them loas or orishas? or does it matter, i can't remember.


Orishas...Voudun uses the term Loas...but they are basicaly different terms for the same concept...Some of them even go by the samename...One of the pathway of the Orisha Esu (known as Legba) in Ifa is known as the Loa Papa Legba in Haitian Voudun...I'm not sure if that Loa exists in African Voudun from the Dahomey region so this coincidence may be a product of the syncretization of the African beliefs systems that occured in the Americas.

If your family practiced it and you are drawn to it... Then I must encourage you to continue down your path of exploration...your search...it may be your destiny. But I am admittedly biased. I'd encourage anyone of African heritage to get back to our roots, our ancestors ways, our ways.
Ah ha... i was right then i thought with Ifa it was Orishas, but I was just checking. Yeah when i read that about Papa legba i was wondering but i pretty much assumed that he was the same as the legba i read about in Ifa. Isn't he the orisha that Christians back in the day (and mabye still) associated with what we would call the devil?

Well It has definetely given me alot to think about as far as my own spiritiual practices and beliefs go.

I had several dreams about Obatala, I don't really know what caused them- if there was a deeper meaning to it i'm not sure, it may have been just that we discussed him alot and i read alot about him so he was on my brain, but you never know, but as far as the attributes attributed to him and his "children" i don't think they fit for me.

I ran across this website, i'll have to look for it again, when i was doing a research paper on Voodoo in different regions and the myths associated with them and i ran across this site with a lady who said she was a diviner(i think-that may not be the right name she said, but i'm pretty sure) and she was selling so-called paintings of Orishas, they were abstract paintings and she said that they were images of those orisha that she had personally saw in visions-it was weird and more than likely not real, but interesting i emailed her back and forth a couple of times about an Obatala painting, but decided against it.
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Originally posted by msprettygirl:
Ah ha... i was right then i thought with Ifa it was Orishas, but I was just checking. Yeah when i read that about Papa legba i was wondering but i pretty much assumed that he was the same as the legba i read about in Ifa. Isn't he the orisha that Christians back in the day (and mabye still) associated with what we would call the devil?

Well It has definetely given me alot to think about as far as my own spiritiual practices and beliefs go.

I had several dreams about Obatala, I don't really know what caused them- if there was a deeper meaning to it i'm not sure, it may have been just that we discussed him alot and i read alot about him so he was on my brain, but you never know, but as far as the attributes attributed to him and his "children" i don't think they fit for me.

I ran across this website, i'll have to look for it again, when i was doing a research paper on Voodoo in different regions and the myths associated with them and i ran across this site with a lady who said she was a diviner(i think-that may not be the right name she said, but i'm pretty sure) and she was selling so-called paintings of Orishas, they were abstract paintings and she said that they were images of those orisha that she had personally saw in visions-it was weird and more than likely not real, but interesting i emailed her back and forth a couple of times about an Obatala painting, but decided against it.



What did you dream about Obatala if it's not to persona?l
Well i dreamed that i was on a beach and he was living in a hut on the beach. i didn't know who he was when i saw him, but there were other people that lived on the beach and they told me that he was Obatala. he was just standing in the doorway of his hut smiling at me all dressed in white-head to toe. the other dream or two were the same, but in the last one he motioned for me to come over but i was too scared so i walked away.
So, what do you think that means?
The Essence of Voodoo

Within the voodoo society, there are no accidents. Practitioners believe that nothing and no event has a life of its own. That is why "vous deux", you two, you too. The universe is all one. Each thing affects something else. Scientists know that. Nature knows it. Many spiritualists agree that we are not separate, we all serve as parts of One. So, in essence, what you do unto another, you do unto you, because you ARE the other. Voo doo. View you. We are mirrors of each others souls. God is manifest through the spirits of ancestors who can bring good or harm and must be honored in ceremonies. There is a sacred cycle between the living and the dead. Believers ask for their misery to end.
http://www.swagga.com/voodoo.htm


Is this Universal?

If so, this totally contradicts my limited understanding of voodoo
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Originally posted by msprettygirl:
Well i dreamed that i was on a beach and he was living in a hut on the beach. i didn't know who he was when i saw him, but there were other people that lived on the beach and they told me that he was Obatala. he was just standing in the doorway of his hut smiling at me all dressed in white-head to toe. the other dream or two were the same, but in the last one he motioned for me to come over but i was too scared so i walked away.
So, what do you think that means?


Baba is calling you to come to him. There is a divination process in the diaspora that they use to determine what Orisha is on a persons head. In Nigeria this is not as important as it is here. Google Obatala and see if what you find out feels right to you.
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Originally posted by HeruStar:
The Essence of Voodoo

Within the voodoo society, there are no accidents. Practitioners believe that nothing and no event has a life of its own. That is why "vous deux", you two, you too. The universe is all one. Each thing affects something else. Scientists know that. Nature knows it. Many spiritualists agree that we are not separate, we all serve as parts of One. So, in essence, what you do unto another, you do unto you, because you ARE the other. Voo doo. View you. We are mirrors of each others souls. God is manifest through the spirits of ancestors who can bring good or harm and must be honored in ceremonies. There is a sacred cycle between the living and the dead. Believers ask for their misery to end.
http://www.swagga.com/voodoo.htm


Is this Universal?

If so, this totally contradicts my limited understanding of voodoo


This is what the religion is Heru. We understand that there are what we call children of the forest and children of beasts (not so nice people), but that quote from swagga is what the religion is.

Our growth is in aquiring Iwa Pele (good or smooth character) it is one of our religious goals along with leaving the earth a better place than it was when we arrived. That does not mean being wimpy though. We remain humans.
I was reading an article trying to find something to substantiate my dissent on Oshun's other post about dreams, and stumbled into VOODOO.



http://members.tripod.com/sunbull/id39.htm
On a personal note, I would like to talk about my family history (at least in part). I was born in New Orleans, Louisiana. New Orleans is an interesting place; the population is mostly Catholic.

There is also heavy French influence. My greatgrand mother practiced Catholic faith, but it was like nothing that I ever seen in church. My grandmother to this day still practice it. As I grew older, I began to realize that it was Voodoo! Ahh what a horrible word (syke!).

I was angry with my grand mothers for a long time when I found out what it was. I remember at home after church and Sunday dinners that men and women who were very well respected in the community would "sneak over to the house to receive special prayers". Even regular people would come over to the house to "receive help with a bad relationship or other family problems". I began to realize that the Catholic/Christian church was a sheild to protect them (grandmothers) from persecution of the Christian community while they had secret adherents to their practice.

The principles of the Voodoo deities were imposed upon christian saints so on and so forth. I did not like the idea at all and I tried to distance myself from them, Contemptously. I fell victim to the European indoctrination that goes on in this society. In the Media every time you here something about voodoo, it is something negative. They try to link it to devil worship and paganism; when in actuality they (Europeans) are the pagans and devil worshipers. Movies even give the practice of African spirituality negative conotations.

The confusion has become so indepth that many Africans in Africa do not practice there own spiritual systems. As I started to mature, I realized that what my Great grand mother and grand mother practiced was not evil at all, but was a holy spiritual system probrably passed down to them from my African Ancestors who were made slaves (I am uncertain how they learned it, but that is a possible answer because even though they practiced it they never called it Voodoo). As I grow older memories of childhood start to return. I remember on a sunny after noon in the "hood" (1983) we were playing outside.

A frantic mother and father was running toward my home with their sick child (asthma) unable to get to the Hospital my Grand mother grabbed that poor little child brought her in the house and immediately started to mix up some substances (I did not know what they were). After a few hours of fear and uncertainty of the parents the child got better. Needless to say that the mother of the child did not even say hello to my grandmother in the church. My Great grand mother did not eat pork. However, she used the meat as a medicine on for a seriously infected wound that I had. After a few days it sucked the infection right from the wound.

Even though I never practiced that system myself; I do not hate my Grandmothers for it. My great Grandmother died at the age of 90 before I could beg her forgivenes and reconcile. The "family secrets" may be forever lost because her hard headed "highly Educated" desendants dismiss it as old school foolishness
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Originally posted by Fagunwa:
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Originally posted by msprettygirl:
Well i dreamed that i was on a beach and he was living in a hut on the beach. i didn't know who he was when i saw him, but there were other people that lived on the beach and they told me that he was Obatala. he was just standing in the doorway of his hut smiling at me all dressed in white-head to toe. the other dream or two were the same, but in the last one he motioned for me to come over but i was too scared so i walked away.
So, what do you think that means?


Baba is calling you to come to him. There is a divination process in the diaspora that they use to determine what Orisha is on a persons head. In Nigeria this is not as important as it is here. Google Obatala and see if what you find out feels right to you.


Interesting. I am a child of Obatala also.(hint hint) Wink.
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Originally posted by msprettygirl:
It's funny that u say that, but i kinda got that feeling. Yes i did a little bit of "investigating" after. I grew up in a black southern baptist church whose founding members also practiced Voodoo (as it's called down here) and as a child i did not really understand it- as a matter of fact it terrified me...
Go to your destiny, my sister, go to your destiny. tfro
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Originally posted by Fagunwa:
Baba is calling you to come to him. There is a divination process in the diaspora that they use to determine what Orisha is on a persons head. In Nigeria this is not as important as it is here. Google Obatala and see if what you find out feels right to you.


yeah my african spirituality professor was good friends with a diviner and he wanted to try to get him to come down here to do just that for a select few of us, especially for me b/c i had told him about the dreams and things, but the diviners schedule was so up and down that we couldn't pick a firm date. he had found out through the diviner that he was a child of Elleguba(sp?) i believe.

well from what i can remember about obatala i know he is the protector of those individuals who are disabled/mentally challenged/physcially impaired etc...and sense i was a child i can rememeber wanting to help those who we would call "special."-in elementary school i would help the teacher in that taught the handicap children and there was a group home for people with down syndrome across from my house and all the children would laugh at those people(they would often times run outside naked) but i always felt a need to help them or talk to them. now as a grown up i plan to have a profession in social work helping those who are less fortunate and/or mentally ill/impaired, its just what i always wanted to do-so there is a little of a connection to obatala. Also there are the superficial connections, i like white clothes and doves. but i'll have to goggle him to see what else is associated with him.

Oshun maybe we will have to "chat" about this some more than Wink.

Audioguy-in due time, in due time. i am not resisting it, but at the same time it is very scarey, not the religion it's self but just the unfamiliar, you know?-i think humans in general espeically myself are afraid of the unknown Eek

Herustar-that sounds very similar to things that i have experienced growing up. maybe its the new orleans thing. Wink Smile
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Originally posted by Oshun Auset:
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Originally posted by Fagunwa:
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Originally posted by msprettygirl:
Well i dreamed that i was on a beach and he was living in a hut on the beach. i didn't know who he was when i saw him, but there were other people that lived on the beach and they told me that he was Obatala. he was just standing in the doorway of his hut smiling at me all dressed in white-head to toe. the other dream or two were the same, but in the last one he motioned for me to come over but i was too scared so i walked away.
So, what do you think that means?


Baba is calling you to come to him. There is a divination process in the diaspora that they use to determine what Orisha is on a persons head. In Nigeria this is not as important as it is here. Google Obatala and see if what you find out feels right to you.


Interesting. I am a child of Obatala also.(hint hint) Wink.


I went straight to Ifa. I got Baba afterward in order to do a certain kind of work and belong to a certain organization.
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Originally posted by blackbutterfly:
A babalow told me that I am a child of Oshun.He suggested that I construct an alter for Oshun and that I receive a sacred, spiritual bath. I can't remember what he called the bath. Does anyone have any info on this type of bath or on alters for the Orisha?


If he told you this why didn't you get this information from him? How did he know who's "child" you were?
We had a conversation where we discussed dreams and certain happenings in my life. At the time his health wouldn't permit him to do a "roots reading", but he said that from his experience he determined that I was a child of Oshun. He gave me some instructions on constructing an alter and on making offerings to Oshun. I was just looking for more info. He said that the bath would cleanse me spiritually and prepare me for other services and suggested that I get in touch with him to do the bath. Unfortunately because of location I have not been able to talk with him since that day.
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Originally posted by blackbutterfly:
We had a conversation where we discussed dreams and certain happenings in my life. At the time his health wouldn't permit him to do a "roots reading", but he said that from his experience he determined that I was a child of Oshun. He gave me some instructions on constructing an alter and on making offerings to Oshun. I was just looking for more info. He said that the bath would cleanse me spiritually and prepare me for other services and suggested that I get in touch with him to do the bath. Unfortunately because of location I have not been able to talk with him since that day.


Experience cannot tell which divinity is calling only a "reading" can do this.This is a diasporic thing though because at home your are initiated to (if you are to be initiated at all)the family Orisha unless something else come up during your reading at birth.
So without being able to do this reading I cannot give advice that could at best do no good. I do not know where you live but I'm sure there is someone around who can give you the proper reading and the correct advice.

Orishas are manifestations of God in nature, if you wish to give them honor give with good intentions and all will be well. But honor your own ancestors and your own head too. As the elders say " first the ancestors and then Orisha".

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