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Originally posted by Romulus Burnett:

I watched Desert Shield and Desert Storm from the cafeteria widescreen at my alma matar and watched the Iraq war from my flatscreen in my den. So what's your point? A person can care about his or her country of origin yet not be blindly patriotic. NEXT.


I watched the commencment of the bombing of Desert Storm on the TV in the cellblock of the jail cell that I happened to be occupying that night in downtown Detroit.

A Black jail guard let us out of our individual cells to watch the TV news coverage of the bombing when he saw the breaking news flash. He told us that we were in the most appropriate place to be on that night (MLK's birthday--Daddy Bush had a rather odd way of celebrating it).
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Originally posted by Kweli4Real:
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Let's face it, there are many out there that would love to destroy our freedom-loving ways!!


While I am american, through and through [I know nothing else], I find this kind of histronics blatantly and provably false.

While I will grant that there are those who detest what america has come to represent, e.g., economic and social oppression; I challenge you to identify these "Many" who would love to destroy our freedom-loving ways.
Why don't you get into "Real Time" with the dissatisfaction of some elements of Americans---get it-Americans who gave the great landslide of Barack Obama's win over Hillary and company. Now I ask: What does Mr Obama Need to do to "overcome" the opposition to his quest for the nomination, perhaps the presidency of the United States of America? The sound of those words could grow on many in a postive OR negative way!
The Black experience in America may be about to transform our thinking of it!

Bill C
Bill C
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Originally posted by Romulus Burnett:
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Originally posted by oshit asset:

You may also want to read up on Patrice Lumumba... who was assassinated courtesy of the CIA... You may also want to look into what multinational corporations that are resource raping their NOW... not to mention who is arming folks... Guns aren't manufactured in Africa... and who benefits from instability and war?... Iraq should answer that one for yah...


I was waiting for you to fall back on the CIA involvement when the U.S. was trying to overthrow the undesirable regime that had ties with Cuba and, thereby, the rest of the communist party. But what you fail to state is if it weren't for U.S. intervention the Congo would still be lead by Marxist ideals, [b]which is why the Congo eventually re-established a relationship with the U.S. and followed the U.S.'s multi-party democracy blue print.[/]b Come on. Throw something else at me. Please.


Who/What are you talking about? Joseph Mobutu's 32 years president/dictator 'father of corruption' ass?(Who the U.S. seemed to like)

Wow, you are one scary brother... You buy into the imperialist ideology hook line and sinker... Eek

RIF...

Patrice Émery Lumumba (2 July 1925 – 17 January 1961) was an African anti-colonial leader and the first legally elected Prime Minister of the Republic of the Congo after he helped to win its independence from Belgium in June 1960. Only ten weeks later, Lumumba's government was deposed in coup during the Congo Crisis. He was subsequently imprisoned and assassinated under controversial circumstances...

...Congolese independence from Belgium was finally gained on June 30, 1960. On Independence Day, in a ceremony attended by dignitaries, the foreign press, and the Belgian elite including King Baudouin, Patrice Lumumba delivered his famous independence speech[1] after being officially excluded from the event programme, despite being the elected Congolese Prime Minister. In direct contrast to the paternalistic glorification of colonialism in the speech of King Baudouin, as well as the relatively harmless speech of President Kasa-Vubu, Lumumba's outspoken anti-colonial speech resonated with the Congolese for its inspired honesty while simultaneously humiliating and alienating the King and his entourage....

...On September 14, a coup d'état endorsed by the CIA and organized by Colonel Joseph Mobutu removed Lumumba from office.[4] Lumumba was placed under informal house arrest at the prime minister's residence. UN troops were positioned around the house to protect him. Following his house arrest, Lumumba made the decision to escape. Smuggled out of his residence at night in a visiting diplomat's car, he began a long journey towards Stanleyville, where his supporters held sway. Pursued by troops loyal to Mobutu he was finally trapped on the banks of the Sankuru River and arrested on December 1, 1960. He was captured in Port Francqui. He appealed to local UN troops to save him. The UN refused on orders from headquarters in New York, reasoning that he had escaped from UN protection. He was later flown to Leopoldville (now Kinshasa) in handcuffs. Mobutu said Lumumba would be tried for inciting the army to rebellion and other crimes. United Nations Secretary General Dag Hammarskjöld made an appeal to Kasa-Vubu asking that Lumumba be treated according to due process of law. The USSR denounced Hammarskjöld and the Western powers as responsible for Lumumba's arrest and demanded his release....

...Lumumba was beaten again on the flight to Elizabethville (today called Lubumbashi) on January 17, 1961.[5] He was seized by Katangan soldiers commanded by Belgians, and driven to Villa Brouwe. He was guarded and brutalized still further by both Belgian and Katangan troops while President Tshombe and his cabinet decided what to do with him.

That same night Lumumba was bundled into another convoy that headed into the bush. It drew up beside a large tree, where three firing squads had been assembled. According to David Akerman, the firing squads were commanded by a Belgian, Captain Julien Gat, and another Belgian, Police Commissioner Verschurre, had overall command of the execution site.[6] The Belgian Commission's findings were that the execution was carried out by Katanga's authorities. Their report suggests that apart from Katangan ministers, four Belgian officers were present at the execution site, but were under the command of Katangan authorities. Lumumba and two other comrades (Maurice Mpolo and Joseph Okito) from the government were lined up against the tree. President Tshombe and two other ministers were present for the executions, which took place one at a time. Lumumba's corpse was then buried nearby. The execution most likely took place on January 17, 1961 between 9:40PM and 9:43PM according to the Belgian report.

As to why Mpolo and Okito were executed, the apparent reason is that they would be possible political players in events after Lumumba's death.

Nothing was said for three weeks - though rumor spread quickly. When Lumumba's death was formally announced on Katangese radio, it was accompanied by an implausible story involving an escape and subsequent murder by enraged villagers. Later, under cover of this yarn, the Belgians - i.e. Belgian Police Commissioner Gerard Soete and his brother - dug up Lumumba's corpse, cut it up with a hacksaw, and dissolved it in concentrated sulfuric acid. Only some teeth and a fragment of skull survived the process, kept as souvenirs. In an interview on Belgian television in 1999, Soete displayed a bullet and two teeth that he claimed he had saved from Lumumba's body.[1]

After the announcement of Lumumba's death, street protests were organized in several European countries - in Belgrade, capital of Yugoslavia, protesters sacked the Belgian embassy and confronted the police, and in London a crowd marched from Trafalgar Square to the Belgian embassy, where a letter of protest was delivered and where protesters clashed with police. [2]

There is much speculation over the roles that western governments had played in the prime minister's murder...

...Interestingly the same report mentions that there had previously been U.S. and Belgian plots to kill Lumumba. Obviously either they failed or they were abandoned. Among them was a CIA-sponsored attempt to poison him, which may have come on orders from U.S. president Dwight Eisenhower.[9] CIA chemist Sidney Gottlieb was a key person in this by devising a poison resembling toothpaste.[10][11][12][13] However, the plan is said to have failed because the local CIA Station Chief, Larry Devlin, had a conscience issue and did not go forward...

...However, this same disclosure showed that US perception at the time was that Lumumba was a Communist.[15] Eisenhower's reported call, at a meeting of his national security advisers, for Lumumba's elimination must have been brought on by this perception. Both Belgium and the United States were clearly influenced in their unfavourable stance towards Lumumba by the Cold War. He seemed to gravitate around the Soviet Union. Arguably that was because that was the only place he could find support in his country's effort to rid itself of colonial rule, and not because he was a communist[16] (ironically, the United States was the first country Lumumba requested help from[17] - in exactly the same way that Ho Chi Minh had first sought US support, was turned down, and thus forced to look to the Communist states for help [18]). Lumumba, for his part, not only denied being a Communist, but said he found colonialism and Communism to be equally deplorable, and professed his personal preference for neutrality between the East and West.[19]

However, the United States were very wary of him becoming too close to the Soviets, and influenced by them. On the other hand Belgium obviously had other additional, more pragmatic, reasons for opposing him. Among others they apparently felt that the Belgian interests in the Congo were not served by his government. Additionally, the Belgian head of state - i.e. the King - seemed to have an even more hostile stance than his government; he had a different attitude than the ministers of Foreign Affairs and African Affairs, who were handling the Congo case. In the words of the Belgian there was a conflict between the King and his government, which led to him taking individual actions and withholding important information from his ministers...
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Originally posted by Romulus Burnett:
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Originally posted by Oshun Auset:
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Originally posted by Romulus Burnett:
Okay fuck all these games.


You finally decided to stop spinning?

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First of all, none of you are Africans as in born and raised anywhere on the continent of Africa.


Wrong again, Fagunwa is... RIF.

The rest of your post is so typically ignorant, it's not even worth a response. Continue foaming at the mouth...


What the fuck does Fugunwa have anything to do with this? All the bullshit is coming from you. Just tell the truth. You're nothing but an arrogant, conceited, incorrigible child. Not only do you not have the capacity to create an opposable argument you waste time slinging insults because you can't keep up. It's all good. I surely don't give a fuck about the insults. This isn't about me this is about a comparison and contrast between North America and Africa.


My name sir is Fagunwa Oladajo Fatunmise. I have nothing to do with this because I am to old to continuously argue with the ignorant. You admittedly have never left the u.s. so you know nothing except what you have been taught by your former slave master, if you are African american, and he has taught you very well.

You insult your woman to make your "points" by cursing her. How are you better than those ignorant Africans that mutilate their females? Where is your honor for your woman? Oshun Auset is soldier worthy of respect. She is also a sister, a mother of civilization, and possessor of the portal of eternity. Yet you speak to her with no honor. There is a way to disagree and display your manhood at the same time. Have you done this? I have read your posts and doubt you can feel shame, but you should.
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Originally posted by Fagunwa:
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Originally posted by Romulus Burnett:
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Originally posted by Oshun Auset:
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Originally posted by Romulus Burnett:
Okay fuck all these games.


You finally decided to stop spinning?

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First of all, none of you are Africans as in born and raised anywhere on the continent of Africa.


Wrong again, Fagunwa is... RIF.

The rest of your post is so typically ignorant, it's not even worth a response. Continue foaming at the mouth...


What the fuck does Fugunwa have anything to do with this? All the bullshit is coming from you. Just tell the truth. You're nothing but an arrogant, conceited, incorrigible child. Not only do you not have the capacity to create an opposable argument you waste time slinging insults because you can't keep up. It's all good. I surely don't give a fuck about the insults. This isn't about me this is about a comparison and contrast between North America and Africa.


My name sir is Fagunwa Oladajo Fatunmise. I have nothing to do with this because I am to old to continuously argue with the ignorant. You admittedly have never left the u.s. so you know nothing except what you have been taught by your former slave master, if you are African american, and he has taught you very well.

You insult your woman to make your "points" by cursing her. How are you better than those ignorant Africans that mutilate their females? Where is your honor for your woman? Oshun Auset is soldier worthy of respect. She is also a sister, a mother of civilization, and possessor of the portal of eternity. Yet you speak to her with no honor. There is a way to disagree and display your manhood at the same time. Have you done this? I have read your posts and doubt you can feel shame, but you should.


A dupe o Baba Fagunwa. hug

Admittedly, I need to watch the way I talk, and stop interacting with the negative. It's just really hard when someone starts up about Africa...
Beloved Sister Oshun Auset

Folks have been dissing our homeland forever. Protect your portal at all times. Never let the ignorant pull your energy if you can avoid ii after all we are all human and lose it sometimes! You sure got a lot of Oshun in you though. That's probably why you had to get Obatala!
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Originally posted by Fagunwa:

There is a way to disagree and display your manhood at the same time. Have you done this?


Oh, I think that many of his posts are just filled with displays of his manhood...

Not to mention an old avatar (as IronHorse) that came pretty damn close...

Eek lol
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Originally posted by Fagunwa:
Beloved Sister Oshun Auset

Folks have been dissing our homeland forever.


Forever? nahhh. Wink But I know what you're saying...

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Protect your portal at all times. Never let the ignorant pull your energy if you can avoid ii after all we are all human and lose it sometimes!


True...

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You sure got a lot of Oshun in you though. That's probably why you had to get Obatala!


Big Grin I know, I know... I need to keep it like 'cool water'...

It's nice to have you back around Fagunwa, your wisdom(and you) were missed.
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Originally posted by ricardomath:
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Originally posted by Fagunwa:

There is a way to disagree and display your manhood at the same time. Have you done this?


Oh, I think that many of his posts are just filled with displays of his manhood...

Not to mention an old avatar (as IronHorse) that came pretty damn close...

Eek lol

LOL!!!
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Originally posted by HonestBrother:
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Originally posted by Fagunwa:
Yet you speak to her with no honor. There is a way to disagree and display your manhood at the same time. Have you done this?



He does it all the time.

He reminds us every day that he's not gay


This might sound childish, but I think the most gay-sounding thing a man can say is "I'm not gay!" It sounds desperate and in denial. And someone who reminds people constantly that they aren't gay.....well that just sounds like a closet case.....
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Originally posted by Empty Purnata:

This might sound childish, but I think the most gay-sounding thing a man can say is "I'm not gay!" It sounds desperate and in denial. And someone who reminds people constantly that they aren't gay.....well that just sounds like a closet case.....


It's not something I've ever felt compelled to say myself ... except for that time I was being hit on by a gay guy ...
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Originally posted by HonestBrother:
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Originally posted by Fagunwa:
Yet you speak to her with no honor. There is a way to disagree and display your manhood at the same time. Have you done this?



He does it all the time.

He reminds us every day that he's not gay

Ya know... I really think he just gets-off on riling us up & stroking himself. You can tell by all the personal attacks + verbal masturbation. Seriously, I wouldn't be surprised if he was beating off at his computer as we speak...

Ooooooooh... I got'em hooked now...

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Originally posted by HonestBrother:
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Originally posted by Empty Purnata:

This might sound childish, but I think the most gay-sounding thing a man can say is "I'm not gay!" It sounds desperate and in denial. And someone who reminds people constantly that they aren't gay.....well that just sounds like a closet case.....


It's not something I've ever felt compelled to say myself ... except for that time I was being hit on by a gay guy ...

Even then... all I say is, "I don't swing that way." Cool
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Originally posted by Oshun Auset:
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Originally posted by Fagunwa:
Beloved Sister Oshun Auset

Folks have been dissing our homeland forever.


Forever? nahhh. Wink But I know what you're saying...

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Protect your portal at all times. Never let the ignorant pull your energy if you can avoid ii after all we are all human and lose it sometimes!


True...

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You sure got a lot of Oshun in you though. That's probably why you had to get Obatala!


Big Grin I know, I know... I need to keep it like 'cool water'...

It's nice to have you back around Fagunwa, your wisdom(and you) were missed.
Being new to the forum, I hope this reaches you Oshun and Fagungwa. As an educator, I am keenly aware of the dearth of knowledge many Americans possess (lack) and what could be learned from those those "in the know", who have and are experiencing difficulties in daily living in parts of the African continent. I teach students who are appallingly ignorant of the issues that now are increasingly attracting international concern and attention. It would seem to be in America's best interest to pay more attention to and to use the wonderful resources we possess to , now more than ever, view Africa's problems as all of the world's problems.

This is what I meant Oshun. I am interested in exploring some kind of "distance learning" project that could get our youth involved and perhaps heighten their awareness of some of these issues.

Your thoughts as to what else can America do in this regard?

Bill C
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Originally posted by Bill C:

As an educator, I am keenly aware of the dearth of knowledge many Americans possess (lack) and what could be learned from those those "in the know", who have and are experiencing difficulties in daily living in parts of the African continent. I teach students who are appallingly ignorant of the issues that now are increasingly attracting international concern and attention. It would seem to be in America's best interest to pay more attention to and to use the wonderful resources we possess to , now more than ever, view Africa's problems as all of the world's problems.

This is what I meant Oshun. I am interested in exploring some kind of "distance learning" project that could get our youth involved and perhaps heighten their awareness of some of these issues.

Your thoughts as to what else can America do in this regard?


The subject of Africans being kidnapped, transported in inhumane conditions in the belly of a ship to America, and sold into slavery has been run into the ground. While the young populace may need to be reminded from time to time they also need to be made aware of a more tangible, contemporary means. We also need to teach black youth how we are linked to advances in society from an influential aspect. They need to be taught that African art and artifacts played just as vital a role in influencing European culture as did art and artifacts of various other cultures, which, in turn, has influenced contemporary culture in America.

Black youth need to be taught that African art and artifacts were not designed for aesthetic purposes even though African art is the primary influence in completely shattering Europe's perception of art since the 1800's during the Paris exhibition. African artifacts was created for utilitarian purposes. They need to be made to understand why African tribes perform certain rituals. They need to see examples of Africans speaking english and various other languages logically and clearly. African art can be taught through a variety of methods. One way is through a program like LINC.

There are a plethora of other resources out there available to educators. And for those that aren't art educators you can still supplement your curricula, exposing students to African art and artifacts, particularly, as an activity or set of activities through black history month. Some resources that are effective are:

African Art: A Legacy of Oppression

Lindy Hop Society.

The importance of exposing black youth to African art and artifacts even as well as dance helps black youth to establish an identity, their place in society as well as what their race has contributed to modern civilization.
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Originally posted by Fagunwa:
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Originally posted by ricardomath:
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Originally posted by Fagunwa:

There is a way to disagree and display your manhood at the same time. Have you done this?


Oh, I think that many of his posts are just filled with displays of his manhood...

Not to mention an old avatar (as IronHorse) that came pretty damn close...

Eek lol

LOL!!!


yeah lol


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Originally posted by Black Viking:
Ya know... I really think he just gets-off on riling us up & stroking himself. You can tell by all the personal attacks + verbal masturbation. Seriously, I wouldn't be surprised if he was beating off at his computer as we speak...

Ooooooooh... I got'em hooked now...


ek BV... That smiley is horrible! laugh
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Originally posted by Bill C:
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Originally posted by Oshun Auset:
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Originally posted by Fagunwa:
Beloved Sister Oshun Auset

Folks have been dissing our homeland forever.


Forever? nahhh. Wink But I know what you're saying...

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Protect your portal at all times. Never let the ignorant pull your energy if you can avoid ii after all we are all human and lose it sometimes!


True...

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You sure got a lot of Oshun in you though. That's probably why you had to get Obatala!


Big Grin I know, I know... I need to keep it like 'cool water'...

It's nice to have you back around Fagunwa, your wisdom(and you) were missed.
Being new to the forum, I hope this reaches you Oshun and Fagungwa. As an educator, I am keenly aware of the dearth of knowledge many Americans possess (lack) and what could be learned from those those "in the know", who have and are experiencing difficulties in daily living in parts of the African continent. I teach students who are appallingly ignorant of the issues that now are increasingly attracting international concern and attention. It would seem to be in America's best interest to pay more attention to and to use the wonderful resources we possess to , now more than ever, view Africa's problems as all of the world's problems.

This is what I meant Oshun. I am interested in exploring some kind of "distance learning" project that could get our youth involved and perhaps heighten their awareness of some of these issues.

Your thoughts as to what else can America do in this regard?

Bill C


I'll help where I can... Got your PM...
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Originally posted by Oshun Auset:
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Originally posted by Romulus Burnett:
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Originally posted by oshit asset:

You may also want to read up on Patrice Lumumba... who was assassinated courtesy of the CIA... You may also want to look into what multinational corporations that are resource raping their NOW... not to mention who is arming folks... Guns aren't manufactured in Africa... and who benefits from instability and war?... Iraq should answer that one for yah...


I was waiting for you to fall back on the CIA involvement when the U.S. was trying to overthrow the undesirable regime that had ties with Cuba and, thereby, the rest of the communist party. But what you fail to state is if it weren't for U.S. intervention the Congo would still be lead by Marxist ideals, which is why the Congo eventually re-established a relationship with the U.S. and followed the U.S.'s multi-party democracy blue print.[/]b Come on. Throw something else at me. Please.


Who/What are you talking about? Joseph Mobutu's 32 years president/dictator 'father of corruption' ass?(Who the U.S. seemed to like)

Wow, you are one scary brother... You buy into the imperialist ideology hook line and sinker... Eek

RIF...

Patrice Émery Lumumba (2 July 1925 – 17 January 1961) was an African anti-colonial leader and the first legally elected Prime Minister of the Republic of the Congo after he helped to win its independence from Belgium in June 1960. Only ten weeks later, Lumumba's government was deposed in coup during the Congo Crisis. He was subsequently imprisoned and assassinated under controversial circumstances...

...Congolese independence from Belgium was finally gained on June 30, 1960. On Independence Day, in a ceremony attended by dignitaries, the foreign press, and the Belgian elite including King Baudouin, Patrice Lumumba delivered his famous independence speech[1] after being officially excluded from the event programme, despite being the elected Congolese Prime Minister. In direct contrast to the paternalistic glorification of colonialism in the speech of King Baudouin, as well as the relatively harmless speech of President Kasa-Vubu, Lumumba's outspoken anti-colonial speech resonated with the Congolese for its inspired honesty while simultaneously humiliating and alienating the King and his entourage....

...On September 14, a coup d'état endorsed by the CIA and organized by Colonel Joseph Mobutu removed Lumumba from office.[4] Lumumba was placed under informal house arrest at the prime minister's residence. UN troops were positioned around the house to protect him. Following his house arrest, Lumumba made the decision to escape. Smuggled out of his residence at night in a visiting diplomat's car, he began a long journey towards Stanleyville, where his supporters held sway. Pursued by troops loyal to Mobutu he was finally trapped on the banks of the Sankuru River and arrested on December 1, 1960. He was captured in Port Francqui. He appealed to local UN troops to save him. The UN refused on orders from headquarters in New York, reasoning that he had escaped from UN protection. He was later flown to Leopoldville (now Kinshasa) in handcuffs. Mobutu said Lumumba would be tried for inciting the army to rebellion and other crimes. United Nations Secretary General Dag Hammarskjöld made an appeal to Kasa-Vubu asking that Lumumba be treated according to due process of law. The USSR denounced Hammarskjöld and the Western powers as responsible for Lumumba's arrest and demanded his release....

...Lumumba was beaten again on the flight to Elizabethville (today called Lubumbashi) on January 17, 1961.[5] He was seized by Katangan soldiers commanded by Belgians, and driven to Villa Brouwe. He was guarded and brutalized still further by both Belgian and Katangan troops while President Tshombe and his cabinet decided what to do with him.

That same night Lumumba was bundled into another convoy that headed into the bush. It drew up beside a large tree, where three firing squads had been assembled. According to David Akerman, the firing squads were commanded by a Belgian, Captain Julien Gat, and another Belgian, Police Commissioner Verschurre, had overall command of the execution site.[6] The Belgian Commission's findings were that the execution was carried out by Katanga's authorities. Their report suggests that apart from Katangan ministers, four Belgian officers were present at the execution site, but were under the command of Katangan authorities. Lumumba and two other comrades (Maurice Mpolo and Joseph Okito) from the government were lined up against the tree. President Tshombe and two other ministers were present for the executions, which took place one at a time. Lumumba's corpse was then buried nearby. The execution most likely took place on January 17, 1961 between 9:40PM and 9:43PM according to the Belgian report.

As to why Mpolo and Okito were executed, the apparent reason is that they would be possible political players in events after Lumumba's death.

Nothing was said for three weeks - though rumor spread quickly. When Lumumba's death was formally announced on Katangese radio, it was accompanied by an implausible story involving an escape and subsequent murder by enraged villagers. Later, under cover of this yarn, the Belgians - i.e. Belgian Police Commissioner Gerard Soete and his brother - dug up Lumumba's corpse, cut it up with a hacksaw, and dissolved it in concentrated sulfuric acid. Only some teeth and a fragment of skull survived the process, kept as souvenirs. In an interview on Belgian television in 1999, Soete displayed a bullet and two teeth that he claimed he had saved from Lumumba's body.[1]

After the announcement of Lumumba's death, street protests were organized in several European countries - in Belgrade, capital of Yugoslavia, protesters sacked the Belgian embassy and confronted the police, and in London a crowd marched from Trafalgar Square to the Belgian embassy, where a letter of protest was delivered and where protesters clashed with police. [2]

There is much speculation over the roles that western governments had played in the prime minister's murder...

...Interestingly the same report mentions that there had previously been U.S. and Belgian plots to kill Lumumba. Obviously either they failed or they were abandoned. Among them was a CIA-sponsored attempt to poison him, which may have come on orders from U.S. president Dwight Eisenhower.[9] CIA chemist Sidney Gottlieb was a key person in this by devising a poison resembling toothpaste.[10][11][12][13] However, the plan is said to have failed because the local CIA Station Chief, Larry Devlin, had a conscience issue and did not go forward...

...However, this same disclosure showed that US perception at the time was that Lumumba was a Communist.[15] Eisenhower's reported call, at a meeting of his national security advisers, for Lumumba's elimination must have been brought on by this perception. Both Belgium and the United States were clearly influenced in their unfavourable stance towards Lumumba by the Cold War. He seemed to gravitate around the Soviet Union. Arguably that was because that was the only place he could find support in his country's effort to rid itself of colonial rule, and not because he was a communist[16] (ironically, the United States was the first country Lumumba requested help from[17] - in exactly the same way that Ho Chi Minh had first sought US support, was turned down, and thus forced to look to the Communist states for help [18]). Lumumba, for his part, not only denied being a Communist, but said he found colonialism and Communism to be equally deplorable, and professed his personal preference for neutrality between the East and West.[19]

However, the United States were very wary of him becoming too close to the Soviets, and influenced by them. On the other hand Belgium obviously had other additional, more pragmatic, reasons for opposing him. Among others they apparently felt that the Belgian interests in the Congo were not served by his government. Additionally, the Belgian head of state - i.e. the King - seemed to have an even more hostile stance than his government; he had a different attitude than the ministers of Foreign Affairs and African Affairs, who were handling the Congo case. In the words of the Belgian there was a conflict between the King and his government, which led to him taking individual actions and withholding important information from his ministers...




It's very interesting, in a biased way of course, how your incomplete post emphasizes whatever historical information that points to the U.S. government holding the smoking gun. However, its astounding, in an equally biased way, how your incomplete post harps on what happened during the Eisenhower administration but completely leaves out what happened during the Johnson administration. Lets begin with this August 1960 cable from CIA station chief Lawrence Devlin:

[B] EMBASSY AND STATION BELIEVE CONGO EXPERIENCING CLASSIC COMMUNIST TAKEOVER GOVERNMENT WHETHER OR NOT LUMUMBA ACTUALLY COMMIE OR JUST PLAYING COMMIE GAME TO ASSIST HIS SOLIDIFYING POWER, ANTI-WEST FORCES RAPIDLY INCREASING POWER CONGO AND THERE MAY BE LITTLE TIME LEFT IN WHICH TAKE ACTION TO AVOID ANOTHER CUBA


You conveniently leave out the fact that it was elected nationalist Patrice Lumumba that repeatedly begged for assistance from the U.S. government because the U.N. failed to secure complete control from the Belgians. Lumumba's eagerness to accept assistance from Cuba and the Soviet Union after being rejected by the U.S. government, even though he knew the U.S. and the Soviet Union and Cuba were natural enemies, is what prompted the U.S. government to later on get involved.

The counterinsurgency campaign was a joint operation between the United States and Belgium, and on much the same terms as the previous collaboration in Katanga. President Johnson's Secretary of State Dean Rusk approved a 7 August 1964 policy paper requiring an "immediate effort . . with Belgians to help Tshombe raise gendarme-mercenary force along with bolstering whatever force there is to hold present strong points and to start rebel roll back."63 Already in progress, however, was a CIA/Defense Department program to provide the Congolese with what the New York Times later dubbed "an instant air force."64 Early in 1964, the CIA had begun providing Cuban exile pilots through a Miami proprietary (Caribbean Marine Aero Corporation)65 "to fly armed Italian T6 training planes against 'Muleist' insurgents in the western Kwilu Province"; and by April the Defense Department had agreed to provide six T-28 fighters, ten C-47 transports, six H-21 heavyduty helicopters, spare parts, 100 technicians, as well as "several" counterinsurgency advisers!66

....and you also leave out this piece of Congolese history:

Sometimes called "Lumumbist" the rebel movements that broke out after the death of Lumumba were armed, in part, by neighboring nationalist governments (against alleged promises of replacement by the Soviets)!' However, they appeared neither national in scope nor nationalist in orientation, but rather disjointed and politically inchoate.

...and why was this peice of history conveniently left out of your post, oshit asset:

The "insurgency" continued in the Congo for another three years before it was finally extinguished. American CIA pilots (most of the "Cubans" were naturalized Americans) and some 100 WIGMO contract pilots were still based there as of 1966, with major American involvement in operations ending around mid-1967.79 A last episode of direct intervention occurred in July 1967, when, ironically, Mobutu (now Sese Seko-who had finally taken power for good in a November 1965 coup) called for help to put down a rebellion of white mercenaries. The United States graciously did so, flying in three aircraft, with "supporting personnel," to aid in crushing the mutiny. Congressional concern over possible escalation of U.S. involvement forced the withdrawal of two of the aircraft in August and the third in December, and won a pledge from President Johnson that future direct involvement in Africa would only be occasioned by "the most overwhelming necessity."

...and this peice of U.S./Congolese relations was also left out of your incomplete post, oshit asset:

Diplomatic relations between the U.S. and Congo were broken off during the most radical Congolese-Marxist period, 1965-77. The U.S. embassy was reopened in 1977 with the restoration of relations, which remained distant until the end of the socialist era. The late 1980s were marked by a progressive warming of Congolese relations with Western countries, including the United States. Congolese President Denis Sassou-Nguesso made a state visit to Washington in 1988, where he was received by President Bush.

With the advent of democracy in 1991, Congo's relations with the U.S. have become cordial and cooperative. Congolese view the U.S. as the leader of the world's democracies and, as such, a model for democratic development. The U.S. has enthusiastically supported Congolese democratization efforts, contributing significant aid to the country's electoral process. The Congolese Government demonstrated an active interest in deepening and broadening its relations with the United States. Transition Prime Minister Andre Milongo made an official visit to Washington in 1992, where President Bush received him at the White House.

After decades of turbulent politics bolstered by Marxist-Leninist rhetoric, and with the collapse of the Soviet Union, the Congolese gradually moderated their economic and political views to the point that, in 1992, Congo completed a transition to multi-party democracy. Ending a long history of one-party Marxist rule, a specific agenda for this transition was laid out during Congo's national conference of 1991 and culminated in August 1992 with multi-party presidential elections. Sassou-Nguesso conceded defeat and Congo's new president, Prof. Pascal Lissouba, was inaugurated on August 31, 1992.

Pascal Lissouba traveled to Washington in 1992, meeting with a variety of officials, including Assistant Secretary of State for African Affairs Herman J. Cohen. After his election in August 1992, President Lissouba expressed interest in expanding U.S.-Congo links, seeking increased U.S. development aid, university exchanges, and greater U.S. investment in Congo.

Congo's democratic progress was derailed in 1997. As presidential elections scheduled for July 1997 approached, tensions between the Lissouba and Sassou camps mounted. When on June 5, President Lissouba's government forces surrounded Sassou's compound in Brazzaville, Sassou ordered his militia to resist. Thus began a 4-month conflict that destroyed or damaged much of Brazzaville. In early October, Angolan troops invaded Congo on the side of Sassou and, in mid-October, the Lissouba government fell. Soon thereafter, Sassou declared himself President and named a 33-member government. In January 1998, the Sassou regime held a National Forum for Reconciliation to determine the nature and duration of the transition period. The Forum, tightly controlled by the government, decided elections should be held in about 3 years, elected a transition advisory legislature, and announced that a constitutional convention will finalize a draft constitution. However, the eruption in late 1998 of fighting between Sassou's government forces and an armed opposition has disrupted the transitional return to democracy.


Why was all of this information left out of your initial post, oshit asset?
Just to show you how good of a sport I am and completely in the interest of the complete and utter truth I'm going to pull this peice of information out of your post, oshit asset, and say that this story is not the story I was told:

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That same night Lumumba was bundled into another convoy that headed into the bush. It drew up beside a large tree, where three firing squads had been assembled. According to David Akerman, the firing squads were commanded by a Belgian, Captain Julien Gat, and another Belgian, Police Commissioner Verschurre, had overall command of the execution site.[6] The Belgian Commission's findings were that the execution was carried out by Katanga's authorities. Their report suggests that apart from Katangan ministers, four Belgian officers were present at the execution site, but were under the command of Katangan authorities. Lumumba and two other comrades (Maurice Mpolo and Joseph Okito) from the government were lined up against the tree. President Tshombe and two other ministers were present for the executions, which took place one at a time. Lumumba's corpse was then buried nearby. The execution most likely took place on January 17, 1961 between 9:40PM and 9:43PM according to the Belgian report.


The story I was told was this:

The 1975 report of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence on Alleged Assassination Plots first made public the top-level American plan to eliminate Lumumba, concluding that CIA chief Allen Dulles had ordered the murder. The report documented that a CIA scientist was sent to the Congo to murder Lumumba with "lethal biological material" (tucked in a diplomatic pouch), although it concluded that Lumumba's eventual murder was through more conventional means.Former CIA officer John S. Stockwell, who was based in the Congo and later headed the CIA's Angola Task Force, adds a further snippet, a colleague's anecdote about "an adventure in Lubumbashi, driving about town after curfew with Patrice Lumumba's body in the trunk of his car, trying to decide what to do with it." ("He presented this story in a benign light, as though he had been trying to help. . . ") Another author adds: "What he did do with it has not yet been made public."

So who did the actual killing? Was it the CIA or was it Katangan authorities? I know, I know. All my contributions to the sources provided in this thread are all bullshit but your incomplete, biased contributions are all 100% acurate, correct? Yeah, I know. Bullshit.
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Originally posted by Romulus Burnett:
Just to show you how good of a sport I am and completely in the interest of the complete and utter truth I'm going to pull this peice of information out of your post, oshit asset, and say that this story is not the story I was told:



Ignorance and egomania are a lethal combination...
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Originally posted by Romulus Burnett:
It's very interesting, in a biased way of course, how your incomplete post emphasizes whatever historical information that points to the U.S. government holding the smoking gun. However, its astounding, in an equally biased way, how your incomplete post harps on what happened during the Eisenhower administration but completely leaves out what happened during the Johnson administration. Lets begin with this August 1960 cable from CIA station chief Lawrence Devlin:

EMBASSY AND STATION BELIEVE CONGO EXPERIENCING CLASSIC COMMUNIST TAKEOVER GOVERNMENT WHETHER OR NOT LUMUMBA ACTUALLY COMMIE OR JUST PLAYING COMMIE GAME TO ASSIST HIS SOLIDIFYING POWER, ANTI-WEST FORCES RAPIDLY INCREASING POWER CONGO AND THERE MAY BE LITTLE TIME LEFT IN WHICH TAKE ACTION TO AVOID ANOTHER CUBA

You conveniently leave out the fact that it was elected nationalist Patrice Lumumba that repeatedly begged for assistance from the U.S. government because the U.N. failed to secure complete control from the Belgians.

Lumumba's eagerness to accept assistance from Cuba and the Soviet Union after being rejected by the U.S. government, even though he knew the U.S. and the Soviet Union and Cuba were natural enemies, is what prompted the U.S. government to later on get involved.

Wow... your really don't read do you...

In my post that you actually QUOTED...

[quote]He seemed to gravitate around the Soviet Union. Arguably that was because that was the only place he could find support in his country's effort to rid itself of colonial rule, and not because he was a communist[16] (ironically, the United States was the first country Lumumba requested help from[17] - in exactly the same way that Ho Chi Minh had first sought US support, was turned down, and thus forced to look to the Communist states for help [18]). Lumumba, for his part, not only denied being a Communist, but said he found colonialism and Communism to be equally deplorable, and professed his personal preference for neutrality between the East and West.[19]


But I'm biased... like you aren't

I was solely adressing YOUR post which stated that...

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I was waiting for you to fall back on the CIA involvement when the U.S. was trying to overthrow the undesirable regime that had ties with Cuba and, thereby, the rest of the communist party.


The reason the U.S. got involved is because they didn't and don't want African to be socialist... They did not 'install' democracy(however that's supposed to work) AFTER ASSASSINATING DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED LUMUMBA.

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But what you fail to state is if it weren't for U.S. intervention the Congo would still be lead by Marxist ideals,


The U.S. got invloved to help install pro-western Mobutu, even though he was an oppressive theif. Do you really think that the U.S. cares about the Congolese people and democracy? Give me a break. BTW, shouldn't a autonomous country be able to decide what and who is president? Where does the U.S. have the right to step in and dictate who leads and what type of political/economic system is in place... That's what I meant by "You believe the imperialist ideology, hook line, and sinker."

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which is why the Congo eventually re-established a relationship with the U.S. and followed the U.S.'s multi-party democracy blue print.[/]b Come on. Throw something else at me. Please


If you think democracy rules in the Congo I have a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn...

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The counterinsurgency campaign was a joint operation between the United States and Belgium, and on much the same terms as the previous collaboration in Katanga. President Johnson's Secretary of State Dean Rusk approved a 7 August 1964 policy paper requiring an "immediate effort . . with Belgians to help Tshombe raise gendarme-mercenary force along with bolstering whatever force there is to hold present strong points and to start rebel roll back."63 Already in progress, however, was a CIA/Defense Department program to provide the Congolese with what the New York Times later dubbed "an instant air force."64 Early in 1964, the CIA had begun providing Cuban exile pilots through a Miami proprietary (Caribbean Marine Aero Corporation)65 "to fly armed Italian T6 training planes against 'Muleist' insurgents in the western Kwilu Province"; and by April the Defense Department had agreed to provide six T-28 fighters, ten C-47 transports, six H-21 heavyduty helicopters, spare parts, 100 technicians, as well as "several" counterinsurgency advisers!66

....and you also leave out this piece of Congolese history:

Sometimes called "Lumumbist" the rebel movements that broke out after the death of Lumumba were armed, in part, by neighboring nationalist governments (against alleged promises of replacement by the Soviets)!' However, they appeared neither national in scope nor nationalist in orientation, but rather disjointed and politically inchoate.

...and why was this peice of history conveniently left out of your post, oshit asset:

The "insurgency" continued in the Congo for another three years before it was finally extinguished. American CIA pilots (most of the "Cubans" were naturalized Americans) and some 100 WIGMO contract pilots were still based there as of 1966, with major American involvement in operations ending around mid-1967.79 A last episode of direct intervention occurred in July 1967, when, ironically, Mobutu (now Sese Seko-who had finally taken power for good in a November 1965 coup) called for help to put down a rebellion of white mercenaries. The United States graciously did so, flying in three aircraft, with "supporting personnel," to aid in crushing the mutiny. Congressional concern over possible escalation of U.S. involvement forced the withdrawal of two of the aircraft in August and the third in December, and won a pledge from President Johnson that future direct involvement in Africa would only be occasioned by "the most overwhelming necessity."

...and this peice of U.S./Congolese relations was also left out of your incomplete post, oshit asset:

Diplomatic relations between the U.S. and Congo were broken off during the most radical Congolese-Marxist period, 1965-77. The U.S. embassy was reopened in 1977 with the restoration of relations, which remained distant until the end of the socialist era. The late 1980s were marked by a progressive warming of Congolese relations with Western countries, including the United States. Congolese President Denis Sassou-Nguesso made a state visit to Washington in 1988, where he was received by President Bush.

With the advent of democracy in 1991, Congo's relations with the U.S. have become cordial and cooperative. Congolese view the U.S. as the leader of the world's democracies and, as such, a model for democratic development. The U.S. has enthusiastically supported Congolese democratization efforts, contributing significant aid to the country's electoral process. The Congolese Government demonstrated an active interest in deepening and broadening its relations with the United States. Transition Prime Minister Andre Milongo made an official visit to Washington in 1992, where President Bush received him at the White House.

After decades of turbulent politics bolstered by Marxist-Leninist rhetoric, and with the collapse of the Soviet Union, the Congolese gradually moderated their economic and political views to the point that, in 1992, Congo completed a transition to multi-party democracy. Ending a long history of one-party Marxist rule, a specific agenda for this transition was laid out during Congo's national conference of 1991 and culminated in August 1992 with multi-party presidential elections. Sassou-Nguesso conceded defeat and Congo's new president, Prof. Pascal Lissouba, was inaugurated on August 31, 1992.

Pascal Lissouba traveled to Washington in 1992, meeting with a variety of officials, including Assistant Secretary of State for African Affairs Herman J. Cohen. After his election in August 1992, President Lissouba expressed interest in expanding U.S.-Congo links, seeking increased U.S. development aid, university exchanges, and greater U.S. investment in Congo.

Congo's democratic progress was derailed in 1997. As presidential elections scheduled for July 1997 approached, tensions between the Lissouba and Sassou camps mounted. When on June 5, President Lissouba's government forces surrounded Sassou's compound in Brazzaville, Sassou ordered his militia to resist. Thus began a 4-month conflict that destroyed or damaged much of Brazzaville. In early October, Angolan troops invaded Congo on the side of Sassou and, in mid-October, the Lissouba government fell. Soon thereafter, Sassou declared himself President and named a 33-member government. In January 1998, the Sassou regime held a National Forum for Reconciliation to determine the nature and duration of the transition period. The Forum, tightly controlled by the government, decided elections should be held in about 3 years, elected a transition advisory legislature, and announced that a constitutional convention will finalize a draft constitution. However, the eruption in late 1998 of fighting between Sassou's government forces and an armed opposition has disrupted the transitional return to democracy.


Why was all of this information left out of your initial post, oshit asset?


Because it wasn't relevant to the assassination of Lumumba and is complete BS(as far as U.S. intentions go). But I see you believe everything massa tells you...

I've been a Pan Africanist for 9 years RB, I can assure you that you don't know what the hell you are talking about when it comes to Africa... It was obvious from the start. Please stop embarrassing yourself.
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Originally posted by HonestBrother:
quote:
Originally posted by Romulus Burnett:
Just to show you how good of a sport I am and completely in the interest of the complete and utter truth I'm going to pull this peice of information out of your post, oshit asset, and say that this story is not the story I was told:



Ignorance and egomania are a lethal combination...


Aren't they...
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Originally posted by Fagunwa:
Beloved Sister Oshun Auset

Folks have been dissing our homeland forever. Protect your portal at all times. Never let the ignorant pull your energy if you can avoid ii after all we are all human and lose it sometimes! You sure got a lot of Oshun in you though. That's probably why you had to get Obatala!


Fucking please, fagunwa. I mean seriously. Stop tip-toeing around this thread all self-righteously like the entire continent of Africa is full of innocent AfriKan victims whose lives are constantly dirupted by whitie, British and French imperialism, yet ignore the mountainous efforts committed by many of your own AfriKan public officials to spread corruption and genocide on it's own peoples or did you and oshit asset selectively ignore the post I made on bureaucratic corruption.

I'm not sitting here trying to present myself and my country as an innocent bystander and the leader of the free world. I'm not sitting here denying that North America has a lot of shortcomings--pretending like the U.S.A. is the land of Oz. I know about the U.S. government's involvement in a number of shadey activities in many countries. I'm not denying shit.

However, you and oshit are sitting up in here acting like the entire continent of Africa is like a flock of sheep and America is a bunch of hungry wolves. You have a lot of wolves in sheep's clothing throughout your continent, fagunwa and to make exuses or even go so far as to minimalize, ignore and deny their crimes against their own citizens is delusional, childish, and ignorant.
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Originally posted by HonestBrother:
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Originally posted by Romulus Burnett:

.... is delusional, childish, and ignorant.



You would know.

You're an authority on all three. Roll Eyes


And you along with the other homosexual cheerleading squad, black viking, have shit to contribute to this thread. A fine example of how the continued ignorance and bias runs rampant on AA.org and the reason, once again, why people with more objective, open-minded, unbiased opinions walk away from these threads. But someone has to step in and drop more than the biased, one-sided, so-called truths people drop on this site and expect its members to willfully swallow like mindless farm animals.
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Originally posted by Romulus Burnett:
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Originally posted by HonestBrother:
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Originally posted by Romulus Burnett:

.... is delusional, childish, and ignorant.



You would know.

You're an authority on all three. Roll Eyes


And you along with the other homosexual cheerleading squad, black viking, have shit to contribute to this thread.


Oh joy ... he's reminding us of his manhood yet again ...

quote:

A fine example of how the continued ignorance and bias runs rampant on AA.org and the reason, once again, why people with more objective, open-minded, unbiased opinions walk away from these threads. But someone has to step in and drop more than the biased, one-sided, so-called truths people drop on this site and expect its members to willfully swallow like mindless farm animals.



You don't know shit about this board ... or the posters.

This was definitively proved when you posted this:

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After all those bigoted, pro black, extremist, separatist, anti-American, anti-christian, anti-nonblack arguments you negroes have fought over in the various forums on this discussion board, the one black candidate that has a cleaner record than any other candidate, black or white, quite possibly in the history of the United States, regardless of his lack of experience, and most of you sorry asses have the gall to create flimsy ass reasons not to vote for Obama?



without seeming to notice that the MOST VOCAL Hillary fan on the board is OhBlackButterfly ... someone you repeatedly hold up as someone who is "less biased".

MOST of us seem to be leaning towards Obama.

It's too much for you to pay attention to what people actually say.

It's too much for you to notice the ways in which we differ.

You'll lump negrospiritual in with the "usual suspects" - us "anti-Christians" - and never seem to have noticed that negrospiritual is a Baptist.

Bias?

Against what?

You haven't stood for anything but the right to be an azzhole.

You have zero credibility when it comes to judgements about this board.
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originally posted by oshit asset:

I've been a Pan Africanist for 9 years RB, I can assure you that you don't know what the hell you are talking about when it comes to Africa... It was obvious from the start. Please stop embarrassing yourself.


I don't give a damn if you're, Australopithecus afarensis, the first female found in the cradle of civilization in Hadar, Ethiopia. You ain't no-damn-body to promote or dismiss any published material, accepted or rejected by any entity, for your own delusional, self-righteous gain. No matter what opposing opinion is presented in any thread, on any topic, in any forum, if the opinions presented oppose your opinions they are automatically wrong and the people that make those opposing opinions are quickly attacked, insulted, belittled, harrassed, and bullied by cronie ass members whether in the threads or in PMs.

Ever wonder why many of these threads end up with nothing but a bunch of you same assholes collectively agreeing on the same topics? Because people don't want to be harrassed and insulted while simultaneously being coaxed and manipulated into joining the side of popular opinion whether right or wrong. I get fucking sick and tired of people sending me PMs expressing their true opinions to me but don't say shit in the forums because they don't want to be harrassed and bullied by a bunch of cronies that are lead by a bunch of conceited, self-righteous, anti-American, anti-European, anti-christian, demigods.
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without seeming to notice that the MOST VOCAL Hillary fan on the board is OhBlackButterfly ... someone you repeatedly hold up as someone who is "less biased".


And she also expressed getting threatening PMs from one of you assholes and I know she didn't throw any insults toward any of you in the forums. Who wants to be continuously attacked, harrassed, insulted and coaxed into changing their own rationale of thought? Fucking bullshit. In one fellow swoop all of you have collectively chosen me as public enemy number one as if other people that lurk these threads see what you're doing is okay.

Half the people that regularly participate in these threads or lurk in the background have either indirectively expressed their opinions on how one-sided you people struggle to make these threads be. They don't bother to actively pursue you misfits for every ignorant statement you make. Some of them leave it up to me to present an opposing side as they send me these PMs of support. It's just pure ignorance that drives you people to continuously fight for bias in every thread you deem fit.
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Originally posted by Romulus Burnett:
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without seeming to notice that the MOST VOCAL Hillary fan on the board is OhBlackButterfly ... someone you repeatedly hold up as someone who is "less biased".


And she also expressed getting threatening PMs from one of you assholes and I know she didn't throw any insults toward any of you in the forums.


If she received a threatening PM, it wasn't from me.

In fact, when she reported getting that PM, I openly expressed support for her.

In fact, the poster who sent it definitely lost some points with me.

Once more, you're no authority on this board precisely because one nigger looks the same as another to you.

You don't give a shit that the people you rail against rarely agree on anything.

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Who wants to be continuously attacked, harrassed, insulted and coaxed into changing their own rationale of thought?


You know all about attacking, harassing, insulting, and bullying don't you?

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Fucking bullshit.


You are full of fucking bullshit. Indeed.

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In one fellow swoop all of you have collectively chosen me as public enemy number one as if other people that lurk these threads see what you're doing is okay.


Don't flatter yourself into thinking you carry the banner of individuality.

As far as I can tell, you're one of the most conventional people I've ever come across.

If people don't like you, it might have to do with the fact that you're a jerk?


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It's just pure ignorance that drives you people to continuously fight for bias in every thread you deem fit.


It's a message board.

You call it fighting for bias.

Everybody else calls it expressing an opinion on a messageboard.

And most of us - including me - have at one time or another had to fight for our opinion on this board.
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Originally posted by Fagunwa:
Please point out one excuse I made for anyones ignorance including your own.


Scroll your self-righteous self back to page 6 and read for your selective memory loss self: Bureaucratic Corruption,

But let me guess. Any kind of source that is posted in this thread or anywhere else that indicates the barbarism, chaos, and corruption that goes on in Africa is nothing but lies fed throughout the world by the U.S. government in a multitude of resources from books, periodicals, internet, textbooks, and television broadcasts. But somehow, through devine intervention, everything you and anyone else says or posts that supports your biased views is automatically right, at least by your sentiments. Fucking please. Straight damn nonsense.
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Originally posted by Romulus Burnett:
Any kind of source that is posted in this thread or anywhere else that indicates the barbarism, chaos, and corruption that goes on in Africa is nothing but lies fed throughout the world by the U.S. government....


How often does the "barbarism, chaos, and corruption" that goes on in Africa affect the rest of the world? (Okay, I admit, those Nigerian email scams are a bitch.)

Much of Africa didn't even gain independence from colonial rule until the middle of the 20th century. It's no wonder many African countries are in the condition they are in. Then you've got shady investors who feed on the chaos of impoverished countries, offering to absorb their debts, with their barbarous and corrupt vulture funds schemes, only to sue the country for the amount of the loan plus interest when the country can not pay.
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Originally posted by HonestBrother:
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Originally posted by Romulus Burnett:
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without seeming to notice that the MOST VOCAL Hillary fan on the board is OhBlackButterfly ... someone you repeatedly hold up as someone who is "less biased".


And she also expressed getting threatening PMs from one of you assholes and I know she didn't throw any insults toward any of you in the forums.


If she received a threatening PM, it wasn't from me.

In fact, when she reported getting that PM, I openly expressed support for her.

In fact... many of us jumped on Dissident's case for that. Particularly because it wasn't the first time he had done it.

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In fact, the poster who sent it definitely lost some points with me.

He never even had any points with me. He and I have been at odds in every discussion we've ever been in.

But, I keep tellin' y'all Romulus can't read. Or just barely enough to do the most horrible of spin jobs I've ever seen.

"She also expressed getting threating PMs from one of you assholes..."

Translation: I can't justify my total lack of integrity or expose my lack of reading comprehension by addressing what you actually wrote... so I'm just going to shit in my hand and throw it at someone.
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Originally posted by Romulus Burnett:
quote:
Originally posted by Fagunwa:
Please point out one excuse I made for anyones ignorance including your own.


Scroll your self-righteous self back to page 6 and read for your selective memory loss self: Bureaucratic Corruption,

But let me guess. Any kind of source that is posted in this thread or anywhere else that indicates the barbarism, chaos, and corruption that goes on in Africa is nothing but lies fed throughout the world by the U.S. government in a multitude of resources from books, periodicals, internet, textbooks, and television broadcasts. But somehow, through devine intervention, everything you and anyone else says or posts that supports your biased views is automatically right, at least by your sentiments. Fucking please. Straight damn nonsense.


I did not post on page 6 at all. You remind me of the character Cole on the old Martin Lawrence show. Have a pleasant day.
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Originally posted by Romulus Burnett:
quote:
originally posted by oshit asset:

I've been a Pan Africanist for 9 years RB, I can assure you that you don't know what the hell you are talking about when it comes to Africa... It was obvious from the start. Please stop embarrassing yourself.


I don't give a damn if you're, Australopithecus afarensis, the first female found in the cradle of civilization in Hadar, Ethiopia. You ain't no-damn-body to promote or dismiss any published material, accepted or rejected by any entity, for your own delusional, self-righteous gain. No matter what opposing opinion is presented in any thread, on any topic, in any forum, if the opinions presented oppose your opinions they are automatically wrong and the people that make those opposing opinions are quickly attacked, insulted, belittled, harrassed, and bullied by cronie ass members whether in the threads or in PMs.

Ever wonder why many of these threads end up with nothing but a bunch of you same assholes collectively agreeing on the same topics? Because people don't want to be harrassed and insulted while simultaneously being coaxed and manipulated into joining the side of popular opinion whether right or wrong. I get fucking sick and tired of people sending me PMs expressing their true opinions to me but don't say shit in the forums because they don't want to be harrassed and bullied by a bunch of cronies that are lead by a bunch of conceited, self-righteous, anti-American, anti-European, anti-christian, demigods.
I actually enjoy some of the opinions counter to my own, even on this forum. The contrarian viewpoint ofentimes can bring a fresher look AND appreciation for difference of opinions. One man's opinion.

Bill C

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