You can have the last word if there is one. So you understand before you pre-judge, I’ve got no problem with Cornel West talking with your head minister but one little question, does Cornel endorse your hate books? This is my final ramble.  For decades, I never paid a shred of  attention to claims of Anti-Semitism about Min. Farrakhan until this month. I never heard of Alan Hamet the (fictional?) author of  “The Secret Relationship Between Blacks and Jews”. It a hateful work of pseudo scholarship that coincidentally targets one group. I hear you arguing and defending the bogus scholarship. That reminds me of some BS “scientific” studies on the inferiority of Africans conducted by the genocidal Germans at Shark Island and other rationalized hate books in the US of nuanced and scholarly lies. Like we don’t need to think about the Jews. Like white people don’t need to think about black folks - and mostly they do not - but the majority somehow all line up thinking maybe Zimmerman was innocent of killing Travyon Martin. What I’ve told white folks is that, at minimum, cowardly Zimmerman would never have tracked and outright shown his face if he wasn’t packing. He antagonized and freaked out Trayvon. That got through to some. Anyhow, my point is that we should not also ignore others. As for the usually liberal Jews, they probably went crazy right wing after WWII and hunkered down into survival mode. The Jews and the Arabs, the Hutto and the Tutsi are all African tribes that have been played by the West and are at each others’ throats.  In the middle of all this ignorance and craziness, we don’t need to be repeating the same pre-judging (disguised as “scholarly” and “scientific” errors that other haters do. Or maybe we do!! And maybe we need to pretend and defend  that we’re objective, scientific and scholarly like other haters because it is just about us from Yakub, the supposed black scientist that went to his lab and created the white race of  devils  (If you tell this to an Arab Muslim, they will think you’re crazy. Trust that.) to good ole "Alan Hamet"  surviving like everyone else. Why shouldn’t we survive too on a criminally insane planet?!! Yes to that. There’s also interest (and allegiance!) on the Truth side and that gets lost in the shuffle. That’s a problem, IMHO. Done with haters from all directions and traveling on.

I looks like you've Googled yourself crazy.

 

The bibliography of the SRBJ is not in dispute, neither are the authors.

 

As you've decided not to rebut the thesis or even attempt to discredit the actual sources used, your position carries no weight, but you are most certainly entitled to it.  

 

The irony is that this ends as it began.  Kayne West is NOT anti Semitic because the ADL says so (while acknowledging ignorance of his statement), and the NOI is not anti Semitic because the ADL or anyone else says so (while acknowledging ignorance of NOI positions and work)

Originally Posted by Muhammad Cipher:

I looks like you've Googled yourself crazy.

 

The bibliography of the SRBJ is not in dispute, neither are the authors.

 

As you've decided not to rebut the thesis or even attempt to discredit the actual sources used, your position carries no weight, but you are most certainly entitled to it.  

 

The irony is that this ends as it began.  Kayne West is NOT anti Semitic because the ADL says so (while acknowledging ignorance of his statement), and the NOI is not anti Semitic because the ADL or anyone else says so (while acknowledging ignorance of NOI positions and work)

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Hold on a moment. You want to scope down to whatever it was that Kanye said. I want to expand this to the spiritual evolution of Malcolm X and how thinking is always biased until we include the spiritual heart in our thinking too. That is a different category of thinking.  

 

Look we’re light years beyond Kanye’s rap now and whatever he also said about Jews and how Pres. Obama derives his POTUS cool by mentioning Kanye's name, bla bla.  We’ve moved on in case you haven’t noticed.

 

You, I and others  may just have a wall in our minds. You act sure in your knowledge but so-called knowledge is too often the greatest ignorance. That’s a universal. And it is a revelation.  You may actually be the one who doesn’t fully understand the big picture at this time. What I’m saying is I would not attempt to rebut  your particular brand of “facts”. The intellect is connected to the emotions wherever and whenever people come up with biased ideas about others.

 

For an extreme example, if you argued with the cold souled  German psychopaths who studied  and head-hunted   Africans at Shark  Island,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRFdYS91MyY

you’d  never be able to rebut their “facts”. Never! That’d be a waste of time. Same here. And same goes for trying to rebut US white racists with some of their “facts” about the inferiority of “Negroes”. They believe that blacks are a monkey race just like Germans wanted to reduce Jews to rodents, the better to kill them without a conscience. I was sent a video, can't find it now, made in Iran, about how Walt Disney, a Jew, (I did Google that. Doesn’t  look like he was a Jew.)  created Mickey Mouse to be cute in order to make rats friendly. He supposedly did this in order to dissuade people from the “fact” that Jews looked like rats. Sorry, that’s insanity.  Of course that would apply to all Semitic people, Arabs, Jews, Mohammed, and Christ. Rats all of them – according to the Nazis. You believe that? You can’t argue with them over it just like you can’t argue with the KKK about blacks looking like monkeys. Understand?

 

Belief systems are like a meld or a weld of the emotions and the intellect, hard to drill through and immune to facts. When anyone or a religious, ethnic or political group has a belief system, they always spin the facts to suit their bias. Amazing, no?

 

Trayvon Martin is as case in point and no I didn’t Google on him.. You must know how different folks come up with different conclusions based on the same facts. That's the point. Try talking with the Nazis-in-waiting at Fox News about Trayvon  or the Duck Dynasty ZZ-Top looking patriarch about the happier  days of  black folks.

 

You have your path and that is cool. But let me say you can spin a “fact” in any belief system direction. Now, it’s no coincidence that NOI has a shoddy book against Jews but not against Arabs. Let’s keep it real. That is  no coincidence. When Cornel West endorses this bogus, biased book, I will take it seriously, Otherwise, no.  Understand  the way mind works in all humans, all races, everyone. We’re always justifying our little belief systems. I catch myself in it too.

 

Look, you can spin a negative story about Arabs too. Very easy. Including their heavy involvement (Sorry, face it, exceeding the Jews) in the slave trade. There are hard facts on that, not belief system facts. Some facts have to be faced but people don’t want to if it goes against their bias or belief system. That's a trans-racial human problem and you too, don't be shocked, are not immune to it.

 

Spin can go anyway depending on your belief system. If I was going after Arabic folks I could point even to the language, You must know the word "Abdullah”. It means servant or slave of Allah. One of my names is Abdel-Tif. It means servant of generosity. (I’m trying.) The root Abd means servant or else slave. Do you know what the Arabic root and word ”Abds” or " Abids”  means or what it refers to? Something to do with black folks, alright?!   We can write a book about this and include how Islam was imposed on Abids in Africa and on up to 911.  You could do the same with the cultural evil of Christianity. However, the spiritual heart   of these religions has value. You must have met  some Christian black women in the US who have a faith that runs deep, deep, deep.  I’m in awe. And there are great sheikhs in Islam. And great saints in the Catholic church, like Charles of Jesus and others, despite the demonic pederasty in that church. And there’s lot of great Jews too including Moses and Christ. You can’t just ex  out these religions although their ugly political side is mostly always very bad news. Humans are not ready for political (universal) Theocracy until their spiritual hearts begin to open.  We’re nowhere near that.  Malcolm X was getting very close.

 

Take the story of Yakub. I heard about and read about this in days gone by. You can spin that too. If we take this supposedly scientific story about creating humans (not bothering first with plants and animals?!) to be established “fact”  although you cannot trace it back to Islam or to Egypt from where it supposedly came, even then, taking it as fact, it can be spun. You could say that there was no evil and no devil in the world until a  black  scientist introduced evil into the world. But evil is a lot more complex than that. It has something to do with lower animal impulses, jealousy, greed, belief systems and a closed spiritual heart.

 

Malcolm X (what you call the “myth” of Malcolm X) worked with the same facts that you do. It was very helpful for a time. His spiritual heart evolved and  woke up when he went to Mecca. That doesn’t  mean he came back and started shaking hands with white folks and hugging the KKK. Of course not. It does mean that he was able to expand his thinking by including the spiritual heart – the universal –in his thinking. His mind had expanded. You can’t think properly (without belief system bias)  without the spiritual heart of universal love.  That’s what I’ve come to. That’s the path I’m working on. Self-correction happens all the time.   Big Up to Malcolm who saw the light and shed it for others’ paths.

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Hold on a moment. You want to scope down to whatever it was that Kanye said. I want to expand this to the spiritual evolution of Malcolm X and how thinking is always biased until we include the spiritual heart in our thinking too. That is a different category of thinking.  

 

Look we’re light years beyond Kanye’s rap now and whatever he also said about Jews and how Pres. Obama derives his POTUS cool by mentioning Kanye's name, bla bla.  We’ve moved on in case you haven’t noticed.

 

You, I and others  may just have a wall in our minds. You act sure in your knowledge but so-called knowledge is too often the greatest ignorance. That’s a universal. And it is a revelation.  You may actually be the one who doesn’t fully understand the big picture at this time. What I’m saying is I would not attempt to rebut  your particular brand of “facts”. The intellect is connected to the emotions wherever and whenever people come up with biased ideas about others.

 

For an extreme example, if you argued with the cold souled  German psychopaths who studied  and head-hunted   Africans at Shark  Island,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRFdYS91MyY

you’d  never be able to rebut their “facts”. Never! That’d be a waste of time. Same here. And same goes for trying to rebut US white racists with some of their “facts” about the inferiority of “Negroes”. They believe that blacks are a monkey race just like Germans wanted to reduce Jews to rodents, the better to kill them without a conscience. I was sent a video, can't find it now, made in Iran, about how Walt Disney, a Jew, (I did Google that. Doesn’t  look like he was a Jew.)  created Mickey Mouse to be cute in order to make rats friendly. He supposedly did this in order to dissuade people from the “fact” that Jews looked like rats. Sorry, that’s insanity.  Of course that would apply to all Semitic-Hamitic  people, Arabs, Jews, Mohammed, and Christ. Rats all of them – according to the Nazis. You believe that? You can’t argue with them over it just like you can’t argue with the KKK about blacks looking like monkeys. Understand?

 

Belief systems are like a meld or a weld of the emotions and the intellect, hard to drill through and immune to facts. When anyone or a religious, ethnic or political group has a belief system, they always spin the facts to suit their bias. Amazing, no?

 

Trayvon Martin is as case in point and no I didn’t Google on him.. You must know how different folks come up with different conclusions based on the same facts. That's the point. Try talking with the Nazis-in-waiting at Fox News about Trayvon  or the Duck Dynasty ZZ-Top looking patriarch about the happier  days of  black folks.

 

You have your path and that is cool. But let me say you can spin a “fact” in any belief system direction. Now, it’s no coincidence that NOI has a shoddy book against Jews but not against Arabs. Let’s keep it real. That is  no coincidence. When Cornel West endorses this bogus, biased book, I will take it seriously, Otherwise, no.  Understand  the way mind works in all humans, all races, everyone. We’re always justifying our little belief systems. I catch myself in it too.

 

Look, you can spin a negative story about Arabs too. Very easy. Including their heavy involvement (Sorry, face it, exceeding the Jews) in the slave trade. There are hard facts on that, not belief system facts. Some facts have to be faced but people don’t want to if it goes against their bias or belief system. That's a trans-racial human problem and you too, don't be shocked, are not immune to it.

 

Spin can go anyway depending on your belief system. If I was going after Arabic folks I could point even to the language, You must know the word "Abdullah”. It means servant or slave of Allah. One of my names is Abdel-Tif. It means servant of generosity. (I’m trying.) The root Abd means servant or else slave. Do you know what the Arabic root and word ”Abds” or " Abids”  means or what it refers to? Something to do with black folks, alright?!   We can write a book about this and include how Islam was imposed on Abids in Africa and on up to 911.  You could do the same with the cultural evil of Christianity. However, the spiritual heart   of these religions has value. You must have met  some Christian black women in the US who have a faith that runs deep, deep, deep.  I’m in awe. And there are great sheikhs in Islam. And great saints in the Catholic church, like Charles of Jesus and others, despite the demonic pederasty in that church. And there’s lot of great Jews too including Moses and Christ. You can’t just ex  out these religions although their ugly political side ismostly always very bad news. Humans are not ready for political (universal) Theocracy until their spiritual hearts begin to open.  We’re nowhere near that.  Malcolm X was getting very close.

 

Take the story of Yakub. I heard about and read about this in days gone by. You can spin that too. If we take this supposedly scientific story about creating humans (not bothering first with plants and animals?!) to be established “fact”  although you cannot trace it back to Islam or to Egypt from where it supposedly came, even then, taking it as fact, it can be spun. You could say that there was no evil and no devil in the world until a  black  scientist introduced evil into the world. But evil is a lot more complex than that. It has something to do with lower animal impulses, jealousy, greed, belief systems and a closed spiritual heart.

 

Malcolm X (what you call the “myth” of Malcolm X) worked with the same facts that you do. It was very helpful for a time. His spiritual heart evolved and  woke up when he went to Mecca. That doesn’t  mean he came back and started shaking hands with white folks and hugging the KKK. Of course not. It does mean that he was able to expand his thinking by including the spiritual heart – the universal –in his thinking. His mind had expanded. You can’t think properly (without belief system bias)  without the spiritual heart of universal love.  That’s what I’ve come to. That’s the path I’m working on. Self-correction happens all the time.   Big Up to Malcolm who saw the light and shed it for others’ paths

  Hal. Lay. Lu. Yer!  Man oh Man oh Man!  Both posts were written beautifully. And to the point!   I am totally speechless.  And on this board? That's completely rare for me.   Excellent commentaries Brotha Jalil.  Excellent!     But!

Originally Posted by Kocolicious:

  Hal. Lay. Lu. Yer!  Man oh Man oh Man!  Both posts were written beautifully. And to the point!   I am totally speechless.  And on this board? That's completely rare for me.   Excellent commentaries Brotha Jalil.  Excellent!     But!

Sista Kocolicious, thanks. We’re all on different walks. Props to everyone. We’re all doing our best while messing up. Forgiveness to myself and others. I’m trying to make the move toward Spirit, you understand. 

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