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I was flipping through the channels last night and caught part of Faux New's Bill Oh'Really show. He was interviewing a white guy that took a serious beat-down in a pizza parlor in Ohio. They showed the security video, and yep, dude got beat-down by this huge Black guy.

But in the interview, the poor "victim" was saying how this Black woman came in and was cutting in line. You could clearly see the victim talking on the phone. Then she walks up to him and says something. Her boyfriend comes in and the beating begins.

A couple of things bothered me about the scene. [Remember, I make a living listening to people recount the wrongs that have been perpetrated against them. Plus, I have a 9 yr. old daughter, that never does anything wrong.]

First, something must have happened before the segment of the film that was shown. The woman was clearly upset. She was clearly yelling (possibly cussing). She even spit at the guy behind the counter. Her anger was totally focused on the man behind the counter. She didn't even look at the other patrons. So obviously, something had to have set this woman off. The victim never discussed what (and no-spin bill, didn't ask).

Next, you see the victim looking at the woman while talking on the phone. There were about 10 white men standing in line. They are all watching the woman. She then walks past all these men to confront the "victim", who was towards the end of the line. Are we to believe that for no reason, she walked past all these other men, to single out this one man? no-spin bill asked the "victim" what he was saying into the phone. The "victim" said, "My girlfriend had just called and was asking what was taking so long. I just told her that it was crowded and there is a lady trying to cut the line." {He was just so innocent} More likely, he said something derogatory/racist about the woman and she heard him. I say this because when the woman started toward him, the patrons standing near the woman looked toward the "victim (before she started toward him) and the patrons standing next to him moved away like they knew where she was headed.

Lastly, when the boyfriend came in and started beating the victim, no one moved to intercede. bill tried to assert that it was because the boyfriend was huge. Well, he was. But there were at least two other men there that were of comparable size. Looking at the patrons, they all acted as if the "victim" got what was coming to him.
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I was just telling someone in the office about that Kweli. I was saying how racist Faux News is in terms of reinforcing the stereotype of us as some out-of control azz animalistic savages (even though they formed lynch mobs and saved black penis'es for souvenirs.) It was the first time I watched that in a while..The last time I saw it..mark furhman was talking as a correspondent about Kobe, Michael Jackson and OJ at the same time.....That says allot in itself.......
Well ...

The Faux News video didn't have sound. You can clearly her her saying, while pointing at the "victim", "... What the fuck he said ..."

The film also shows him giving lip to the guy that delivered the beat-down. There is certainly more to this story then an innocent being selected at random. But who are you gonna believe, me or your lying eyes?

And yes, Kevin41, Faux News did spin this to portray them (us) as out of control savages. In fact, no-spin bill, used the word animal several times.
What actualy happen as I have heard is that the sista walked into the Pizza joint and went to the front of the line, and the white dude on the phone was talking to his girlfriend who was asking him what is taking so long. When she asked him this he said it was taking a long time because there was a long line and then he said, it will be even longer because someone just walked in and jumped in the front of the line. Hearing this the sista got in the white dude face because clearly he was talking about her being that she did just walk to the front of the line.

After that the rest is history, brother came in and played the background for a minute while his girl argued with the white dude and I guess the white dude said something that caused brother to move his girl behimd him and beat the white dude down.
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Originally posted by Kweli4Real:

The film also shows him giving lip to the guy that delivered the beat-down. There is certainly more to this story then an innocent being selected at random. But who are you gonna believe, me or your lying eyes?



My lying eyes show me that before the white guy started "giving lip" to the black guy, the black guy had already mushed his head from behind. The white guy is talking on his cell phone with his back to the entrance, when the black guy comes in through the entrance. At the woman's prompting, the black guy then gets the attention of the white guy by kind of poking his head. Whatever the white guy said, it was in response to what the black guy said to him after poking his head to get his attention. You will not ever simply not speak in a situation like that. You will say something. Whether it was "nigger leave me alone," or "Well I uh, well I uh, well I didn't mean to..." ...I'm sorry, but it's disgraceful that any of this is being blamed on the white guy.

We don't know how all of this with the woman got started. But if the woman came in and caused trouble, and the white guy made a comment over the phone about it before the part we see on tape, that does not rob him of innocence, and does not make him "deserving" of any beatdown. Nor, for that matter, does it give the black guy the right to steal the white guy's cell phone afterwards, like he did.

Maybe the reason O'Reilly chose to discuss this footage was to see how many black folks would feel compelled to defend that brother's outrageous behavior.
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Maybe the reason O'Reilly chose to discuss this footage was to see how many black folks would feel compelled to defend that brother's outrageous behavior.


Like the Micheal Jackson trial and Martha Stewart coverage it is all a distraction by the corporate run media from the imperialist wars going on.
Well, I guess I'll go to the Rodney King defense. The section of the tape in this post did not show the approximately 20 seconds BEFORE the woman stepped to the "victim." In this footage, the white guy is looking at the Black woman talking into the phone. The Black woman is already going off about what the white guy said.

Ummm ... Vox, look at the tape again. The Black woman is raising hell saying something about what the white guy said. The Black guy comes in faces the guy behind the counter listening to what is going on. Sees the Black woman yelling at the white guy. The Black guy steps to the white guy ... beating begins.

I'm not blaming the white guy. What I'm saying is that the white guy is not as blameless as he would have us you believe. Well, I guess I am blaming the white guy, then. (Not because he's white though. his whiteness only plays to what he might have said. I'm using race merely as an identifer. I guess I could have used the guy in the tee shirt, the guy in the retro jersey, and the woman.)

We don't know how all of this with the woman got started. But if the woman came in and caused trouble, and the white guy made a comment over the phone about it before the part we see on tape, that does not rob him of innocence, and does not make him "deserving" of any beatdown.

I can think of a number of things a white guy (or any guy) could say to my woman that would rob him of his innocence and earn him a beat-down; even if she came in raising hell. Can't you?

Example: (and I'm not saying that this is in fact what happened) My woman walks into the pizza parlor, straight to the counter to get, say, the restroom key or a cup of water. Then, some white guy says, "See that's just like one of those uncivilized, self-important black apes. They don't feel like they have to wait in line anymore, like us good white folk. Boy, if we were back in Mississippi, that black bitch would know her place, or we'd have shown her by now. Besides, what's that black bitch doing in our neighborhood. They've got chicken and rib shacks in 'da hood.' Why don't you take you black ass back across the tracks to apesville. See, I told you. We should shoot them animals on sight."

That would both rob him of his innocence and earn him a beat-down.

I'll agree, though, the Black guy was absolutely wrong steal the cell phone.

It's a shame that someone could watch that video and say "well, the white guy must've been racist"....

I didn't say the what guy must've been racist, what I said was the white guy said something derogatory, possibly racist. In my estimation, that would explain the Black woman's and Black guy's actions/reactions.
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Originally posted by Kweli4Real:
Ummm ... Vox, look at the tape again. The Black woman is raising hell saying something about what the white guy said. The Black guy comes in faces the guy behind the counter listening to what is going on. Sees the Black woman yelling at the white guy. The Black guy steps to the white guy ... beating begins.


Right. And what happens during the ellipses dots is what I said before: he steps to the white guy, who's back is to him, pushes his head, words are exchanged, beat down begins. I did misspeak on him coming from the entrance straight to the white guy, but that doesn't affect the point.

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I can think of a number of things a white guy (or any guy) could say to my woman that would rob him of his innocence and earn him a beat-down; even if she came in raising hell. Can't you?


Sure. But I can think of a few things that wouldn't have. My experience doesn't lead me to champion the strong likelihood that he went on talking about porchmonkey this or that, in the face of a black person, whenther woman or man. I've seen some of the most racist white people keep those words in their lungs around black people. Especially if the black person is not some demure, docile person, which I doubt this woman ever appeared to be.

SOmething like this almost happened on the way from work one day. At a subway stop in Jersey City, a black guy was standing to keep the door open so his boys wouldn't miss the train. He created an inordinate delay, during which time, you could hear a white person go, "What's the holdup?" And some older white guy replied, "He's holdin' da door open fer his buddies," in a humphish tone.

The train was packed, so the black guy couldn't see who said it (I could, 'cause I'm 6'3"). So when his boys finally get on the train, the guy barked, "Yo, who said somethin' about me holdin' the door for my buddies?"

Nobody said anything, and so no violence resulted. But then the black guys started going on about how white people can't reproduce, because their men are infertile, and that's why they want to use cloning, and nigga this, and nigga that, and my big black dick this, and so on.

No racism on the white guy's part, although I'm sure they had it on their minds. (These would have been sober tongues, K4R.)

Had the first black guy seen who said what, and had he gone ahead and beat the guy down, any amateur video of it that would've made its way onto Bill O'Reilly would have resulted in the same discussion we're having now, with the same sides being taken. So without any indication that a racist word might have been spoken, I don't get why we go ahead and presume that there was, or even might have been.

And the unfortunate result is that we've got the Watcher giving my kudos.

Does anybody know anything about this case? Was anybody arrested?
The brother got four years for his attack on the white dude and now they are going after him and the girl with a civil suit. Brother was wrong, and what I wrote happen above is what the white dude said happened. Sista was out of control and acting a fool and then brother just made it worse. The sad part is all those men stood there while this dude got his ass whooped. I doubt if a white guy can come into a pizza joint in our community and whoop a brother ass like that.
I agree Faheem,

Words should never be reciprocated with nothing but words...and people should have more self-control than to allow themselves to be baited into doing things detremental to themselves in the long run.....I have seen people in the workplace who were willing to take a punch in order to get someone fired.............
Yep, dude got four years. He was out on parole so they ran it wild on him. He won't see the outside until after 2012.

She'll be sued for millions.

But the biggest effect of this matter, is the white nationalists sites are blowing up. white nationalist activity is increasing. We even had a white nationalist drive-by papering incident that refers to the pizza parlor incident and the need to protect themselves. You know, where they drive down a street and threw flyers out the window.
Kweli,

I think that is what racist azz o'reilly was banking on....but the nationalists better pick their battles carefully....because there are a whole bunch of angry people in amerikkka......of ALL races, not just theirs......hell they are white, what in the hell do they have to be angry about? oh yeah...white privelege leaving them behind........
Kweli,

Speaking of nationalists sites:

Extremists applaud murder of judge's relatives
By Henry Schuster
CNN



(CNN) -- Investigators still don't know who is responsible for the murder of a Chicago judge's husband and mother on Monday, but white supremacist Web sites are applauding the killings. Judge (Joan Humphrey)Lefkow, 61, was once targeted for death by a white supremacist leader, but officials said there was no clear link to the killings.

Extremists on the Internet "are expressing satisfaction that they have been killed. Judge Lefkow has been vilified in these circles the past three years," explained Mark Pitcavage of the Anti-Defamation League. The ADL monitors a number of extremist sites on the Web and has been keeping close watch on the message traffic since the murders.

A posting on an Aryan Nations message board reads: "If you are doing the bidding of the enemy YOU ARE THE ENEMY!"

The white supremacist connection is being investigated because Lefkow ruled against Matt Hale and the World Church of the Creator three years ago in a copyright dispute. Hale, who leads the strongly racist group, was later convicted of soliciting the murder of Lefkow and is currently awaiting sentencing.

Another posting on an extremist message board says: "Well, I for one hope this was the work of some 'lone wolf' targeting those who aid or support or have connections with someone involved in acting against our race, or someone who has acted against those -- like Matt Hale -- who have stood up for our race."

The message concludes, "Let's hope it's only the beginning."

The ADL's Pitcavage said there is also a strong degree of paranoia and caution in the messages showing up on these sites.

In some cases, he said, the moderators of extremist message boards have been warning those posting such comments to watch what they say, because the federal government is monitoring them.

"They are trying to twist the significance of the murders," said Pitcavage, by implying that the killings would be used as an excuse to give Hale a longer prison sentence.

Lefkow, 61, found the bodies of her husband, Michael, 64, and mother, Donna Grace Humphrey, 89, when she returned home Monday evening. They had been shot to death. Police have released composite sketches of two men they want to interview in the case.








Find this article at:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/03/03/schuster.column/index.html
Inner-City Reality Check:

Had someone in that pizza parlor used a gun to deter the guy's violence, the guy would have come back with a posse of dudes with guns. A bloody shootout would have ensued that probably would have killed large numbers of innocent people. NRA fantasies have very little application in real world situations.
I find it interesting that no one came to his aid... everybody stood there and watched the whole thing happen... some even acted like they couldn't figure out why they couldn't just order their food and leave - as though nothing happened. They were standing around as though he got what he deserved - of course I was not there and cannot speak to that, but damn... you'd think that somebody would have done or said something to assist him - even after the beat down.

Just one question, when is the last time that you heard sound from a "security camera" video? It leads me to believe that a whole lot went down before that camera started rolling - and that the camera was specifically placed to record this incedent.

There is obviously more to the situation than what was shown in the video. Let's not judge too harshly.
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Inner-City Reality Check:

Had someone in that pizza parlor used a gun to deter the guy's violence, the guy would have come back with a posse of dudes with guns. A bloody shootout would have ensued that probably would have killed large numbers of innocent people. NRA fantasies have very little application in real world situations.


By the time he had his posse together and ready to go in for payback, the person who had drawn the weapon would have gotten their food and left.

NRA fantasies happen all the damn time. A fantasy happened just two months ago to a friend of mine. He had just turned 21 a few days ago and I thank god he is a gun nut because for his birthday he got a nice little .22 Magnum with its' own holster. He went outside for a little walk while he smoked his cigar and to get some air after working on a paper for a while. 6 wannabe thug kids come up to him and surround him, one of them had a hammer. He draws out his gift and they scatter like rabbits.

If he had been a year younger or had forgotten to take his gun my best friend would have been dead or at the very least a brutalized victim.

The right to defend your life and your freedom and that of your fellow human being comes from the barrel of a gun. The long-term security of a free nation comes from an armed citizenry. Taking such a critical power away from the people is tantamount to slavery.
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Originally posted by Vox:
Inner-City Reality Check:

Had someone in that pizza parlor used a gun to deter the guy's violence, the guy would have come back with a posse of dudes with guns. A bloody shootout would have ensued that probably would have killed large numbers of innocent people. NRA fantasies have very little application in real world situations.


Thats why people like you shouldn't handle guns, wrong mindset, because he would have never left at least not without assistance, whether it be in handcuffs or in a body bag.
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Originally posted by Vox:

At the woman's prompting, the black guy then gets the attention of the white guy by kind of poking his head.

Vox, my viewing of this incident shows how it was the WOMAN who poked the White guy... Not the Brother. As you see, she was doing it all along and her floral shirt sleeve can been making the "poke" as she walked around the Brother during her poking tirade.

I don't know where you get the idea that the Brother "poked" him to get his attention.
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Originally posted by jazzdog:

Thats why people like you shouldn't handle guns, wrong mindset, because he would have never left at least not without assistance, whether it be in handcuffs or in a body bag.


How not, Jazzdog? First, it wouldn't have been handcuffs, because you can only shoot in self-defense or defense of others. If you whip out and say "freeze," and the guy turns to leave, you can't shoot him. And yes, he and his boys would've been back. His boys would have been back if you shot him. Was the person gonna shoot the woman, too? She was already outside the parlor. If she has any friends other than the boyfriend, it's rat-tat-tat-tat. And the same goes if any of the man's friends learn what happened to him, assuming he's shot dead. These things have a way of escalating in ways that gun heads don't think about, because they don't tend to live in areas where stuff like this goes on. I'm not saying I'd have a problem with the guy getting shot up, because he would have deserved it. But you & Goshtoire seem to be of the mind that the use of the gun would have resulted in peace and light, and that is not the least bit realistic.
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Originally posted by Goshtoire:
The long-term security of a free nation comes from an armed citizenry. Taking such a critical power away from the people is tantamount to slavery.


So then, the slaves should have had ever right to own a gun and to kill their oppressors?? Confused Confused


Of course, if the oppressor refuses to give up their power in order to allow you your rights then the victims have every right to use force to live free.

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Originally posted by Vox:
But you & Goshtoire seem to be of the mind that the use of the gun would have resulted in peace and light, and that is not the least bit realistic.


What is your argument Vox? That because armed victims doesn't always pan out so well for the victim that we shouldn't have guns to begin with?
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Originally posted by jazzdog:

Thats why people like you shouldn't handle guns, wrong mindset, because he would have never left at least not without assistance, whether it be in handcuffs or in a body bag.


How not, Jazzdog? First, it wouldn't have been handcuffs, because you can only shoot in self-defense or defense of others. If you whip out and say "freeze," and the guy turns to leave, you can't shoot him. And yes, he and his boys would've been back. His boys would have been back if you shot him. Was the person gonna shoot the woman, too? She was already outside the parlor. If she has any friends other than the boyfriend, it's rat-tat-tat-tat. And the same goes if any of the man's friends learn what happened to him, assuming he's shot dead. These things have a way of escalating in ways that gun heads don't think about, because they don't tend to live in areas where stuff like this goes on. I'm not saying I'd have a problem with the guy getting shot up, because he would have deserved it. But you & Goshtoire seem to be of the mind that the use of the gun would have resulted in peace and light, and that is not the least bit realistic.


Thats based on the assumption that after looking down the barrel of my .357 he tells himself that he can outrun the bullet, and the self-defense of others, well since there is a whole store to verify that this guy start beating this other person seemly without reason I think that we can assume that drawing a weapon in self defense of the poor victim could be justified.

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