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This past Saturday, President Barack Obama addressed the Ghanaian parliament, extending America's hand to the African continent while condemning corruption and tyranny.

"No country is going to create wealth if its leaders exploit the economy to enrich themselves," he said.

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He could have been talking about Detroit. And when he came to Metro Detroit on Tuesday, Obama conspicuously did not set foot in the city -- the nation's largest black urban center plagued by corruption, illiteracy and crime. Detroit, it seems, is less Ghana and more gangrene in the national political consciousness. And with the presidential snub, Obama appears to have fanned the feelings of hopelessness and isolation in the city.

"We're black and he got our vote quite frankly because many of us voted for him because he is black," said Karsem McCurtis on Tuesday, whose family owns Conner's Food, just a stone's throw from the Wayne County Community College campus on Detroit's east side. As it happened, Obama chose Macomb Community College in Warren to unveil a national education initiative.

"It would have been good for him to come," said McCurtis, whose building is painted with an Obama mural. "But he's got our vote locked up, and he's not going to get much play coming to a black city full of corrupt politicians."

McCurtis makes the obvious point about a city that has become the nation's punch line: Kwame Kilpatrick, Monica Conyers, school officials stealing millions from the children, a murder rate that tops the nation, an illiteracy rate of 50 percent and tens of thousands of crumbling buildings. The list goes on.

The White House said it had no comment as to the reason for the president's fly-by of Detroit on his first trip to the state since his election, except to say that he wishes he could have spent the whole day in Michigan.

"I have to say I'm disappointed," said Jerome Smith, an unemployed machinist from Detroit, who was standing at the bus stop at Macomb Community College as the president's motorcade arrived. "Have you seen him rub shoulders with blacks in this country? On the international stage, yes. South of Eight Mile, no."

The president will address the national convention of the NAACP this Friday. It will be his first speech to a predominately African-American audience since taking office.

Obama won 97 percent of the vote in Detroit, totaling more than 325,000 votes. In Macomb County, he took 53 percent, totaling just less than 224,000. That is a difference of 100,000 votes, but still Detroit was not important enough to visit.

Macomb County -- 90 percent white and 40 percent Catholic -- is the one-time home of the famed Reagan Democrats, the working-class whites who famously flipped for Ronald Reagan in the 1980s, based in part on his appeal to their racial grievances.

Obama has neatly sidestepped the issue of race so far, blaming global trade and greedy CEOs as the cause of the sliding middle class way of life.

It is this large group of white voters that Obama must maintain if he is to push through his ambitious plans for health care reform, renewable energy and perhaps a second stimulus package.

"It's the white swing voter he's after," said Adolph Mongo, the brass-knuckled political consultant based in Detroit. "His people are telling him that Macomb County is the major player in Michigan. He snubbed the largest population of black folks in America. He's making a big mistake. He needs to come to Detroit and reassure people that what he's pushing is going to help everybody."

"It was a huge snub," said L. Brooks Patterson, the Republican Oakland County executive. "Why would he want to get near Detroit considering the awful national publicity over the past few years?"

Detroit Mayor Dave Bing said Obama has an open invitation. "Although he has not visited the city as president, it is important to note Mr. Obama has been working hard with Mayor Bing on behalf of the residents of the city," Bing said in a statement.

In the meantime, Detroit continues to empty out. Paulette Bouyer, the gun-toting church lady who was featured in these pages in January after her west-side home was broken into during broad daylight, is moving to Patterson's Oakland County. "The president can't wave a magic wand and make Detroit all right," Bouyer said. "The people have to demand more than thievery from their politicians. But you wish he would have come here for 10 minutes."



http://www.detnews.com/article...chose-Warren-instead
One really has to understand the Detroit area to understand the impact of this. Macomb county has been one of the most racist counties in the state. It has traditionally been the least black county in Metro Detroit.

Man...hhmmmmm....I wonder what the theme of Obama's address to the NAACP will be this Friday. Any guesses? lol
Vita vya panzi (ni) furaha ya kunguru. War among grasshoppers delights the crow. Msema kweli hana wajoli. The speaker of truth has few friends. ("`-''-/").___..--''"`-._ `6_ 6 ) `-. ( ).`-.__.`) (_Y_.)' ._ ) `._ `. ``-..-' _..`--'_..-_/ /--'_.' ,' (((' (((-((('' (((( Noah The African in America
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Originally posted by EbonyRose:
It would seem as if President Obama IS expected to act like/be "the next Martin Luther King/Malcolm X/Black Messiah" contrary to some Black folks pre-election declarations that they would vote for him with no such expectations of him taking on that role. Roll Eyes


Yes....I see what you mean. Visiting a city in crisis, one that happens to be unofficially 90% black, is akin to being a BLACK RADICAL. Yet, visiting a county known (in the state) for its anti-black racism and is best known Nationally for its Reagan Democrats (white Democrats (because of Unions) against Affirmative Actions, Welfare and black Crime) is Okey Dokey. Gotcha. It would be like Obama going to Mississippi and visiting a confederate Grave site while Ignoring the the places of significance to the Civil Rights movement. I am tired of this sh1t and black folks defending it. Its obvious that this is a political STRATEGY to maintain standing for future elections....at the expense of black folk.
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Originally posted by EbonyRose:
sleep sleep sleep sleep

You couldn't 'see what I mean' with 6x magnified bifocals on. Puhleeze. Roll Eyes


Maybe it’s because the stench of BS makes me squint.

When people use such absurd embellishments....it’s obvious they really don't have a valid argument. To imply that to expect Obama to visit Detroit, in his visit to the Detroit area, it to expect Malcolm X type behavior is simply disingenuous.
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Originally posted by Noah The African:
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Originally posted by EbonyRose:
sleep sleep sleep sleep

You couldn't 'see what I mean' with 6x magnified bifocals on. Puhleeze. Roll Eyes


Maybe it’s because the stench of BS makes me squint.

When people use such absurd embellishments....it’s obvious they really don't have a valid argument. To imply that to expect Obama to visit Detroit, in his visit to the Detroit area, it to expect Malcolm X type behavior is simply disingenuous.


Most people use 'absurd embellishments' with you because that's usually all a response to you warrsnts or deserves. Roll Eyes

Perhaps if you had been part of the voting population you would understand what the sentiment was behind the discussion surrounding Black people's expectations in casting a vote for an African American man to be president.

But you weren't ... and your concept of the situation is disillusioned, at best, non-existent at most. Which is why it's so absolutely and utterly ridiculous that YOU would be the one commenting the MOST on what President Obama does not do for Black folk! Eek

That's about as ludicrous as it gets. So, your exclamations on 'not understanding why ....' things are the way they or why people do/say the things they do are only a astounding to you. Most of us see your inability to 'understand' for exactly what it is. And the problem is most certainly yours ... not mine!
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Originally posted by EbonyRose:
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Originally posted by Noah The African:
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Originally posted by EbonyRose:
sleep sleep sleep sleep

You couldn't 'see what I mean' with 6x magnified bifocals on. Puhleeze. Roll Eyes


Maybe it’s because the stench of BS makes me squint.

When people use such absurd embellishments....it’s obvious they really don't have a valid argument. To imply that to expect Obama to visit Detroit, in his visit to the Detroit area, it to expect Malcolm X type behavior is simply disingenuous.


Most people use 'absurd embellishments' with you because that's usually all a response to you warrsnts or deserves. Roll Eyes

Perhaps if you had been part of the voting population you would understand what the sentiment was behind the discussion surrounding Black people's expectations in casting a vote for an African American man to be president.

But you weren't ... and your concept of the situation is disillusioned, at best, non-existent at most. Which is why it's so absolutely and utterly ridiculous that YOU would be the one commenting the MOST on what President Obama does not do for Black folk! Eek

That's about as ludicrous as it gets. So, your exclamations on 'not understanding why ....' things are the way they or why people do/say the things they do are only a astounding to you. Most of us see your inability to 'understand' for exactly what it is. And the problem is most certainly yours ... not mine!


Nice diversionary obfuscation ER. The botton line is that visiting a black city is in no way RADICAL. To expect and hope that Obama would Visit the City, the largest city in Michigan and the largest in crisis city in the nation....represents COMPASSION...not radicalism. For you to link such an expectation to expecting Obama to be Malcolm X like is just strait up BS.
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Originally posted by Noah The African:
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Originally posted by EbonyRose:
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Originally posted by Noah The African:
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Originally posted by EbonyRose:
sleep sleep sleep sleep

You couldn't 'see what I mean' with 6x magnified bifocals on. Puhleeze. Roll Eyes


Maybe it’s because the stench of BS makes me squint.

When people use such absurd embellishments....it’s obvious they really don't have a valid argument. To imply that to expect Obama to visit Detroit, in his visit to the Detroit area, it to expect Malcolm X type behavior is simply disingenuous.


Most people use 'absurd embellishments' with you because that's usually all a response to you warrsnts or deserves. Roll Eyes

Perhaps if you had been part of the voting population you would understand what the sentiment was behind the discussion surrounding Black people's expectations in casting a vote for an African American man to be president.

But you weren't ... and your concept of the situation is disillusioned, at best, non-existent at most. Which is why it's so absolutely and utterly ridiculous that YOU would be the one commenting the MOST on what President Obama does not do for Black folk! Eek

That's about as ludicrous as it gets. So, your exclamations on 'not understanding why ....' things are the way they or why people do/say the things they do are only a astounding to you. Most of us see your inability to 'understand' for exactly what it is. And the problem is most certainly yours ... not mine!


Nice diversionary obfuscation ER. The botton line is that visiting a black city is in no way RADICAL. To expect and hope that Obama would Visit the City, the largest city in Michigan and the largest in crisis city in the nation....represents COMPASSION...not radicalism. For you to link such an expectation to expecting Obama to be Malcolm X like is just strait up BS.


Which is why, I suppose, that Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon and every other past POTUS were such frequent visitors, huh? Confused Roll Eyes
Noah, I'm not sure why you keep wasting your time with some of the people on this board...it has to be because you are garnering some type of amusement from all this. Personally, I've come to the conclusion that some of these folks are just going to have to learn the hard way... even though they mean well they just need to learn for themselves...others I find to be so beneath contempt I can barely even engage them anymore directly and the only value I see in dealing with them is exposing the pablum oozing from their lobotomized brains that they are trying to pass of as legitimate "points" for what they really are... distractions.

You correctly identified the above statements as embellishments and obfuscation because you exercising your right not to vote has no bearing on your right to speak truth to power...you are a tax payer aren't you? if so that gives you all the rights you need. I for one have exercised my right not to vote for years and I wish someone would tell me I can't speak truth to power... because I probably pay more in taxes than they make in a year..and if I see taxation without representation yes you best believe I'm going to speak on it.

Anyway, the latest "point" is even more obfuscation in response to the point you made about Obama not visiting Detroit...what other presidents did or didn't do during their administration has nothing to with Obama not visiting Detroit. Furthermore, to make matters even worse each of those presidents actually did visit Detroit... in fact Gerald Ford was from Detroit and also visited there during his administration so this just further exposes the weakness in this so called "point".
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Originally posted by LieDecrypter:
Noah, I'm not sure why you keep wasting your time with some of the people on this board...it has to be because you are garnering some type of amusement from all this. Personally, I've come to the conclusion that some of these folks are just going to have to learn the hard way... even though they mean well they just need to learn for themselves...others I find to be so beneath contempt I can barely even engage them anymore directly and the only value I see in dealing with them is exposing the pablum oozing from their lobotomized brains that they are trying to pass of as legitimate "points" for what they really are... distractions. Can you say 'Nigger' just a little bit louder please?

You correctly identified the above statements as embellishments and obfuscation because you exercising your right not to vote has no bearing on your right to speak truth to power...you are a tax payer aren't you? if so that gives you all the rights you need. I for one have exercised my right not to vote for years and I wish someone would tell me I can't speak truth to power... because I probably pay more in taxes than they make in a year..and if I see taxation without representation yes you best believe I'm going to speak on it.

Anyway, the latest "point" is even more obfuscation in response to the point you made about Obama not visiting Detroit...what other presidents did or didn't do during their administration has nothing to with Obama not visiting Detroit. Furthermore, to make matters even worse each of those presidents actually did visit Detroit... in fact Gerald Ford was from Detroit and also visited there during his administration so this just further exposes the weakness in this so called "point".


Detroit is what it is because of the black on black crime committed by black politicians. Coleman Young was well on his way to becoming the Robert Mugabe of Michigan, had he not died. But I guess you can blame Obama for that too.
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Originally posted by LieDecrypter:
Noah, I'm not sure why you keep wasting your time with some of the people on this board...it has to be because you are garnering some type of amusement from all this. Personally, I've come to the conclusion that some of these folks are just going to have to learn the hard way... even though they mean well they just need to learn for themselves...others I find to be so beneath contempt I can barely even engage them anymore directly and the only value I see in dealing with them is exposing the pablum oozing from their lobotomized brains that they are trying to pass of as legitimate "points" for what they really are... distractions.

You correctly identified the above statements as embellishments and obfuscation because you exercising your right not to vote has no bearing on your right to speak truth to power...you are a tax payer aren't you? if so that gives you all the rights you need. I for one have exercised my right not to vote for years and I wish someone would tell me I can't speak truth to power... because I probably pay more in taxes than they make in a year..and if I see taxation without representation yes you best believe I'm going to speak on it.

Anyway, the latest "point" is even more obfuscation in response to the point you made about Obama not visiting Detroit...what other presidents did or didn't do during their administration has nothing to with Obama not visiting Detroit. Furthermore, to make matters even worse each of those presidents actually did visit Detroit... in fact Gerald Ford was from Detroit and also visited there during his administration so this just further exposes the weakness in this so called "point".


sleep sleep sleep sleep sleep

Next, please ... Roll Eyes
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Originally posted by Vox:
Had Obama set foot inside the actual Detroit city limits, this thread would be about what he didn't do or say while there. Just to add some perspective...

But why do they call Detroit "America's largest black urban center"? Does Detroit have the largest black population among US cities?


Vox...that may be true...but the REAL issue is ALWAYS the validity of what is said...not whether it is said or not.

Yes....Detroit is the largest majority black community in America. The Cities proper of Ny NY and CHicago are the only cities in America with more blacks than the city proper of Detroit, but neither NY NY or Chi is majority black. Detroit was 84% black, with 951,000 people in the 2000 census. Today, the City is like 90% black with about 870,000 residents.
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Originally posted by Wiz:
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Originally posted by LieDecrypter:
Noah, I'm not sure why you keep wasting your time with some of the people on this board...it has to be because you are garnering some type of amusement from all this. Personally, I've come to the conclusion that some of these folks are just going to have to learn the hard way... even though they mean well they just need to learn for themselves...others I find to be so beneath contempt I can barely even engage them anymore directly and the only value I see in dealing with them is exposing the pablum oozing from their lobotomized brains that they are trying to pass of as legitimate "points" for what they really are... distractions. Can you say 'Nigger' just a little bit louder please?

You correctly identified the above statements as embellishments and obfuscation because you exercising your right not to vote has no bearing on your right to speak truth to power...you are a tax payer aren't you? if so that gives you all the rights you need. I for one have exercised my right not to vote for years and I wish someone would tell me I can't speak truth to power... because I probably pay more in taxes than they make in a year..and if I see taxation without representation yes you best believe I'm going to speak on it.

Anyway, the latest "point" is even more obfuscation in response to the point you made about Obama not visiting Detroit...what other presidents did or didn't do during their administration has nothing to with Obama not visiting Detroit. Furthermore, to make matters even worse each of those presidents actually did visit Detroit... in fact Gerald Ford was from Detroit and also visited there during his administration so this just further exposes the weakness in this so called "point".


Detroit is what it is because of the black on black crime committed by black politicians. Coleman Young was well on his way to becoming the Robert Mugabe of Michigan, had he not died. But I guess you can blame Obama for that too.


This is a case study of ignorance. The city of Detroit had 2 million people at one time (1950) and has been in decline since then primarily due to whites (including businesses) divesting from the city eroding the tax base and moving opportunity outside the city. The first black mayor did not come until 73 and the city had lost over a half millioh people (whites) by then (white flight excelerated after the 67 riots). Unlike Chicago, Detroits slave descendant problems are not masked by wealthy white people living on the Gold Coast and the North side. Chicago is a much of a shit hole for black folks as is Detroit, but when you look at Chicago statistics....there are a lot of affluent whites masking or offsetting the West and South side of Chicago. If you get ride of the North side, the Gold Coast and all the high rise condo's that wealthy whites live in Downtown....you will Have a Detroit.
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Originally posted by Noah The African:

This is a case study of ignorance. The city of Detroit had 2 million people at one time (1950) and has been in decline since then primarily due to whites (including businesses) divesting from the city eroding the tax base and moving opportunity outside the city. The first black mayor did not come until 73 and the city had lost over a half millioh people (whites) by then (white flight excelerated after the 67 riots). Unlike Chicago, Detroits slave descendant problems are not masked by wealthy white people living on the Gold Coast and the North side. Chicago is a much of a shit hole for black folks as is Detroit, but when you look at Chicago statistics....there are a lot of affluent whites masking or offsetting the West and South side of Chicago. If you get ride of the North side, the Gold Coast and all the high rise condo's that wealthy whites live in Downtown....you will Have a Detroit.
No it is not a study in ignorance. C'mon man, stop being all shifty about it. If you think we are capable of creating/sustaining a viable community, then we should be held to task. If you do not think we are capable, then there is no point in asking us for anything, less knowing any kind of accountability for where we are.

Are rich white people more or less responsible for changes in our community than rich black people?
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Originally posted by Wiz:
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Originally posted by Noah The African:

This is a case study of ignorance. The city of Detroit had 2 million people at one time (1950) and has been in decline since then primarily due to whites (including businesses) divesting from the city eroding the tax base and moving opportunity outside the city. The first black mayor did not come until 73 and the city had lost over a half millioh people (whites) by then (white flight excelerated after the 67 riots). Unlike Chicago, Detroits slave descendant problems are not masked by wealthy white people living on the Gold Coast and the North side. Chicago is a much of a shit hole for black folks as is Detroit, but when you look at Chicago statistics....there are a lot of affluent whites masking or offsetting the West and South side of Chicago. If you get ride of the North side, the Gold Coast and all the high rise condo's that wealthy whites live in Downtown....you will Have a Detroit.
No it is not a study in ignorance. C'mon man, stop being all shifty about it. If you think we are capable of creating/sustaining a viable community, then we should be held to task. If you do not think we are capable, then there is no point in asking us for anything, less knowing any kind of accountability for where we are.

Are rich white people more or less responsible for changes in our community than rich black people?


Land, Labor and Capital my brother. Land, Labor and Capital. In this monopoloy game of America, one in which we were allowed in centuries after it was started, every time we move we owe white folks or make money for white folks who have the Land and Capital and simply use us a labor.

The legacy of our oppression is that we lack Land and Capital to produce on par that which whites produce and hence we cannot create the kind of standard of living until we get control of more land and capital.
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Detroit is what it is because of the black on black crime committed by black politicians. Coleman Young was well on his way to becoming the Robert Mugabe of Michigan, had he not died. But I guess you can blame Obama for that too.


Couldn't have said it better bro. It is what it is because of the home grown constituency (and don't forget the embarrassing hara-kiri demise of hip hop gangsta mayor Kawme Kilpatrick). For some bizarre reason, litigious Negroes are passionate about their finger pointing, blame gaming and paranoiac race conspiracies, never wanting or consciously admitting the fact that much of the chaos in black communities has it's roots in self sustaining black pathology.

And when someone questions this pandemic self generating entropy or holds people accountable for their poor behavior, they must be castigated for being a hater, traitor or agent for the white man. It's this type of pernicious mindset that acts as a fertilizer for the ongoing sub-culture of failure and excuse making.
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Originally posted by Xeon:
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Detroit is what it is because of the black on black crime committed by black politicians. Coleman Young was well on his way to becoming the Robert Mugabe of Michigan, had he not died. But I guess you can blame Obama for that too.


Couldn't have said it better bro. It is what it is because of the home grown constituency (and don't forget the embarrassing hara-kiri demise of hip hop gangsta mayor Kawme Kilpatrick). For some bizarre reason, litigious Negroes are passionate about their finger pointing, blame gaming and paranoiac race conspiracies, never wanting or consciously admitting the fact that much of the chaos in black communities has it's roots in self sustaining black pathology.

And when someone questions this pandemic self generating entropy or holds people accountable for their poor behavior, they must be castigated for being a hater, traitor or agent for the white man. It's this type of pernicious mindset that acts as a fertilizer for the ongoing sub-culture of failure and excuse making.


Wiz lives in the "Chi"....Chicago is historically known for its corruption and the State of illinois is known for its corruption. So the question is why is the impact of so called black corruption different from the impact of white corruption? In other words, why does not Chicago, which is as much if not more corrupt than Detroit, in the same situation as Detroit?
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Wiz lives in the "Chi"....Chicago is historically known for its corruption and the State of illinois is known for its corruption.


This is very true. Chicago is high profile on the corruption list.

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So the question is why is the impact of so called black corruption different from the impact of white corruption?


I don't think anyone is making the claim that one is worse than the other. Corruption and graft is exactly what it is regardless of who is doing it.


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In other words, why does not Chicago, which is as much if not more corrupt than Detroit, in the same situation as Detroit?


Good question. I think if you look at the economic structure, sustaining economy and history of each city, I believe the answer lies there.
Originally posted by LieDecrypter
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I've come to the conclusion that some of these folks are just going to have to learn the hard way... even though they mean well they just need to learn for themselves...others I find to be so beneath contempt I can barely even engage them anymore directly and the only value I see in dealing with them is exposing the pablum oozing from their lobotomized brains that they are trying to pass of as legitimate "points" for what they really are... distractions.


fro This is soooooooooo true my brotha. Those from the peanut gallery only "COMPLAIN" and yet when looking for some kind of community support will hide under the table [shaking and tremblin'] at the very mention of "revolution" just like those [house nigras] during slavery hid in massa's kitchen...but! They were ALWAYS yappin' Roll Eyes Never defendin their own people...not even their younguns...i.e. flesh and blood. Cuz it was and is "all about self." So you are definitely on point in this scenrio.

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You correctly identified the above statements as embellishments and obfuscation because you exercising your right not to vote has no bearing on your right to speak truth to power...you are a tax payer aren't you? if so that gives you all the rights you need. I for one have exercised my right not to vote for years and I wish someone would tell me I can't speak truth to power... because I probably pay more in taxes than they make in a year..and if I see taxation without representation yes you best believe I'm going to speak on it.


Yep! appl That's what I'm talkin' 'bout. I exercised my RIGHT not to vote after those fools killed my son and the city council did absolutely NOTHING....until I decided to be my own foot soldier in his honor/behalf. And not voting during that time NEVER stopped me from voicing my OPINION. Hell...I'm was screaming at the top of my lungs...for many years..until of course I started seeing results[from my efforts] and resumed voting again...but! I said when and how, and who. And I was paying taxes too. So once again...you are ON POINT!

And those from the peanut galleryRoll Eyes have an opinion too...didn't say they didn't...but! For me it's not what you SAY...it what you do. And I haven't seen the likes of them do much of anything...but! Talk.sck I know folks who do nothing but talk talk talk...but! Do they EVER do the right thing? 19 Lemmme see? Nope!

tfroGreat commentary....cuz why? You make good sense....my brothaBig Grin

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