http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4446646.stm

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British revisionist historian David Irving is being held in Austria under laws against denying the Holocaust.

An interior ministry spokesman said police in the province of Styria acted on a warrant issued in 1989 to arrest him last Friday.

Mr Irving was on his way to give a lecture in the capital, Vienna.

In his books, Mr Irving has argued that the scale of the extermination of the Jews by the Nazis in World War II has been exaggerated.

He also claimed that Nazi leader Adolf Hitler knew nothing of the Holocaust.

He told a libel hearing in London in 2000 that there had been no gas chambers at the Auschwitz camp.

He lost the case and the judge branded him "an active Holocaust denier".

'Anti-Semitic'

A spokesman for the Austrian interior ministry, Rudolf Gollia, told the BBC that Mr Irving was first taken to the town of Graz, but was now in custody in Vienna.

Anti-Nazi groups in the UK congratulated the Austrian government.

The chairman of the Holocaust Educational Trust, Lord Greville Janner, said he hoped the move would "lead to a successful prosecution".

The head of the Holocaust Memorial Day Trust said denial was not a matter of opinion.

"Austrian law demands incisive action to protect its citizens from a repeat of the past," he added.

Mr Irving was previously arrested in Austria in 1984.

This time, the historian was stopped near the town of Hartberg while reportedly on his way to address a students' club in Vienna.

Mr Irving came into the spotlight in 2000 when he sued US academic Deborah Lipstadt for describing him as a "Holocaust denier" in her 1994 work Denying the Holocaust: The Growing Assault on Truth and Memory.

Giving his verdict, the British judge said Mr Irving was "an active Holocaust denier; that he is anti-Semitic and racist and that he associates with right-wing extremists who promote neo-Nazism".


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http://www.guardian.co.uk/secondworldwar/story/0,14058,1645049,00.html
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Denial runs rampant thoughout humanity. It's silly to outlaw a person's God given right to self delusion. Who care's what the man says or believes when the facts speak differently. Let him provide proof or just ignore him. If he has no proof, how can he be a threat? Just because someone says the sky is green doesn't make it so.
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If he has no proof, how can he be a threat?
Perhaps in the same way the pseudo-science of "race" preaching the superiority of some over others. The potential for a legion of people to join in with this man in self-delusion is the "threat." It's a threat because its presented as fact, and that's all some need. It's not like the truth makes to everybody. Some will use what he wrote as an excuse or proof that what they believe (or would like to believe) is "true".
Its not about being self-delusional, its about taking away that one thing that Jews love to put up in everybodys face which is the holocaust. I'm sure that I will be branded anti-semitic, but its tiresome to hear about 6 million dead while completely ignoring the 100 million or more dead africans from the slave trade.

How is it that Europe will screech about freedom of the press to print cartoons about the prophet Muhammed and then step on this guys right to express his counterviews about the holocaust.
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Originally posted by jazzdog:
Its not about being self-delusional, its about taking away that one thing that Jews love to put up in everybodys face which is the holocaust. I'm sure that I will be branded anti-semitic, but its tiresome to hear about 6 million dead while completely ignoring the 100 million or more dead africans from the slave trade.

How is it that Europe will screech about freedom of the press to print cartoons about the prophet Muhammed and then step on this guys right to express his counterviews about the holocaust.


Jazzdog you, you, you Anti-semite lol

Ok....

One of the things that I find amazing is the world wide acceptance that six million people actually died or was killed. There is so much evidence that six million people did not die that this very ideal seem preposterous, but so many people have been bombarded with images and verbal accounts of what happen that they do not investigate the Holocaust themselves. Nine out of Ten people who believe six million people died I bet have never read anything to the contrary simply because they are under the impression that such writings denies that anything happen, which is not the case, most so-called Holocaust deniers are not saying Jews were not killed they simply disagree with the exaggerated number that was conjured up via trials and not by actual evidence which ignored the moving of almost all Jewish men and women out of east Poland into Russia. Most people if asked have no idea how this six million killed number came about, and here lies the problem. Show people some images and a few written words and they will believe anything, People around the world still believe Jesus was a white man even though all the evidence say otherwise but hey who can argue with those pictures of Jesus.
I'm sorry! does this mean I have to go to sensitivity training or will I just have my freedom to voice my opinion smashed and tramped on.

Being a reader of history and especially military history there are documented accounts, some of them provided by the Nazis themselves of the numbers of persons, just not Jews that were transported and killed in concentration camps. While the numbers are straggling you are right in that I don't think that a full analysis of the numbers has ever been completed.

Its almost like people fear that if the numbers came up only to 3 million dead that the reduced number will not justify the anger and horror at what happened and the rest of the world will feel tricked. When you consider some of the other hugh numbers of people killed in a particular time frame i.e. slave trade, stalin's regime, Pol Pot in Cambodia, the holocaust while tragic is not alone in the annuals of human misery. No matter how large or small the numbers I think people would agree that racial cleansing is evil and that the jews should have no special lock on making people not forget their misery.
Well, actually David Irving didn't "deny" the Holocaust (which is why I put those symbols around "deny holocaust". He said that 2.7 million Jews died instead of 6 million.

What I find offensive about the Holocaust is that Zionists try to claim that the Holocaust was worse than African slavery, and they cruise over the fact that 6 million non-Jewish minorities were killed in concentration camps by the Nazis during WWII. 6 million German Blacks, Mulattos, Gypsies (Rroma), Poles, Asians, Homosexuals, Socialists/Communists, Liberals, Mental Challenged and Handicapped people were killed by the Nazis in the concentrations camps as well. 15,000 German Blacks were physically mutilated in Nazi military experiments, 20,000 Mulattos were sterilized and the Gypsy population of Germany was cut by 1/3.


Yet Zionists pretend that the Holocaust was an EXCLUSIVELY Jewish persecution, and call you an anti-Semite if you disagree.


Granted, this David Irving guy is a far-right wing lunatic and a White Supremacist, but I think the reasons for his arrest are BS.

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