
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgate/detail?blogid=15&entry_id=2796
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quote:Originally posted by HeruStar:
Should people 'lighten' up, and have a sense of humor? Or should people grow up, and have a sense of humanity, sensitivity, and maturity?
quote:Originally posted by Empty Purnata:
These same "anti-PC" c*nts would scream for censorship if I drew a cartoon depicting Adolph Hitler baking Jews, or if I drew a cartoon depicting White Christian farmers screwing cousins and sheep, or if I drew a Black/Arab Jesus, or a cartoon of European tribes being sold to powerful ancient African nations as slaves. Imagine if I drew cartoons with a halo over Stalin's head and devil horns on Ronald Reagan. THEY'D BE THE FIRST FUCKERS TO CRY FOUL!! Yeah, they hate being "politically correct", but would be the first ones to get offended if a Malcolm X speech was aired on national TV.
quote:If you do shit just to piss of people, don't cry like a b*tch when they bite back.
quote:Originally posted by Empty Purnata:
I have no sympathy for that kind of bullshit. I can't stand the fucking anti-PC crowd that tries to hide racism and bigotry behind "freedom of speech". "Oh, we have freedom of speech to say what we want! That's what makes Western society great! Freedom of expression and exchange. And after all, sometimes the truth is ugly." OH FUCK YOU!!
These same "anti-PC" c*nts would scream for censorship if I drew a cartoon depicting Adolph Hitler baking Jews, or if I drew a cartoon depicting White Christian farmers screwing cousins and sheep, or if I drew a Black/Arab Jesus, or a cartoon of European tribes being sold to powerful ancient African nations as slaves. Imagine if I drew cartoons with a halo over Stalin's head and devil horns on Ronald Reagan. THEY'D BE THE FIRST FUCKERS TO CRY FOUL!! Yeah, they hate being "politically correct", but would be the first ones to get offended if a Malcolm X speech was aired on national TV.
"Anti-PC" is just an excuse for White people to be racist and bigoted in public without being criticized.
If you do shit just to piss of people, don't cry like a b*tch when they bite back. White people can be so f*cking arrogant.
quote:Originally posted by kresge:
Like Black Viking, I am not anti-PC, but I am anti-censorship. Whether or not I find the comic offensive, I think that a publication has the right to print it and I believe that individuals have the right to protest against it non-violently.
quote:Originally posted by Empty Purnata:
I have no sympathy for that kind of bullshit. I can't stand the fucking anti-PC crowd that tries to hide racism and bigotry behind "freedom of speech". "Oh, we have freedom of speech to say what we want! That's what makes Western society great! Freedom of expression and exchange. And after all, sometimes the truth is ugly."
quote:Originally posted by James Wesley Chester:
Rev. Lowry also pulled no punches in pointing out that CSK and MLK were both victimized by domestic spying by the government.---Vox
The Republicans are trying to make this event about 'bashing Bush'.
What bottom-feeders!!
This reaction is a part of that European-American mentality that says African American-Americans are being disruptive, and inappropriate when we 'tell' what European-Americans have done, or are doing, to us.
It is 'bashing', it is 'truculent', it is disorderly; it is wrong for us to 'tell'.
After all, no good can come of such anti-social behavior.
Ingrates.
quote:Now that you know the truth what is your response, is it still the same, do you see the violence in the same light? peaceful protest were tried for nearly five months but white folk don't understand anything bt violence, so the response has turned to that.
quote:Originally posted by Faheem:
These cartoons as most articles have noted were first published in September, the protest against these cartoons began then. The protest were all peaceful, the Danish Muslim community wrote letters, Muslim leaders asked to meet with the Danish Prime Minister when he refused there was a grassroot boycott of Danish products, this happen from September through January. In response to these non-violent and peaceful protest the European newspaper communty responded by printing the cartoons over in several Newspaper, basically saying to the non-violent protestors "go to hell". This is when all hell broke loose, the peaceful means to getting a response was ignored thus the Muslim world turned to the only thing White folk seem to understand Violence.
Now that you know the truth what is your response, is it still the same, do you see the violence in the same light? peaceful protest were tried for nearly five months but white folk don't understand anything bt violence, so the response has turned to that.
quote:Originally posted by Faheem:
Now that you know the truth what is your response, is it still the same, do you see the violence in the same light? peaceful protest were tried for nearly five months but white folk don't understand anything bt violence, so the response has turned to that.
quote:Originally posted by Black Viking:quote:Originally posted by Faheem:
Now that you know the truth what is your response, is it still the same, do you see the violence in the same light? peaceful protest were tried for nearly five months but white folk don't understand anything bt violence, so the response has turned to that.
Yes, my reponse is the same. It is not OK for them to blow things up over a picture, just because they did not get the response that they wanted. It's good that the muslim community tried peaceful protest. That does not mean that anyone else has to bend over backwards just because they don't approve. No one commited violence on them. There violent response is unacceptable.
This is the kind of shit that starts wars over nothing.
quote:Originally posted by Vox:
But just because the European media was intransigent in their response to boycotts and protests, doesn't lead me to think violence is in any way a justifiable next resort for the aggrieved.
quote:Originally posted by Nmaginate:
Anytime you have FALSE or questionable images of Christ (i.e. White, GERMAN Jesus), not to mention images in the first place... then there is a lot less that is sacred about the Christ, Mary, etc. So, KRESGE, how you favored not sanctioning/censoring The SENSATION or whatever is really incompatible and doesn't make for a proper comparison. It just doesn't translate.
Again, what's suppose to come out of that process?
BUT you did not answer me question and "I stand by my view" that the Christ and Christian images are not comparably "sacred" in Christendom.quote:Do I think that the Danish press shows a lack of sensitivity? Yes? But this does not justify violence.
KRESGE, when and if people, Christians don't particularly take care to "accurately" depict Christ, as he was, with the available information there is about what Christ may have looked like then there is no way you can legitimately say that the image of Christ is comparably "sacred" to the regard Muslims have towards Muhammad.quote:I think that the ethnicity (or historical accuracy") of the image is irrelevant as to its sanctity or sacredness. They are entirely different things.
And they were angry because of what??quote:Christians who where angry enough with the movie The Last Tempation of Christ to call in bomb threats to theaters.
quote:Originally posted by Nmaginate:
So, basically, people are allowed to completely, purposely and repeatedly desecrate and violate everything that's sacred to one group without reproach... So what's suppose to come out of that process [of controversial publication and then stern censure]? There is NO RESOLUTION in that. Does Democracy = Problems/Conflicts WITHOUT Resolution?[/LIST]Like the saying about Western Religion and it's compartmentalized worldview.... STRANGE DEMOCRACY!
Yes... But a PROCESS has to have an END. Whether you call it an Ultimate Resolution, whether an ultimate one is achieved... there is little that's virtuous about Democracy if it's merely a PROCESS that has little intent or commitment towards an End.quote:I do not believe that democracy is a state of affairs. It is a process, dynamic, dialogical, agonistic, and messy. Does that answer your question?
quote:Originally posted by Nmaginate:Yes... But a PROCESS has to have an END. Whether you call it an Ultimate Resolution, whether an ultimate one is achieved... there is little that's virtuous about Democracy if it's merely a PROCESS that has little intent or commitment towards an End.quote:I do not believe that democracy is a state of affairs. It is a process, dynamic, dialogical, agonistic, and messy. Does that answer your question?
Ummm... I didn't say that. I was talking about DEMOCRACY. The process must have a intention and commitment towards resolution. Whether there will always be conflict and problems is irrelevant.quote:I do not think that there will ever be a end to struggle.
I said:quote:Liberation, justice, freedom, are goals, but I do not think that we will every fully realize them.
And I say that has little to do with the PROCESS of DEMOCRACY or an earnest answer to my question.quote:I would assert that there is value in the struggle
I've asked what is the purpose of all this Democracy "mess". What? Just to be messy?quote:I do not believe that democracy is a state of affairs. It is a process, dynamic, dialogical, agonistic, and messy.
quote:Originally posted by Empty Purnata:
This is the cartoon that is the center of controversy.......![]()
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgate/detail?blogid=15&entry_id=2796
quote:Originally posted by Omega4ul:
If the Danish Press publish a cartoon of a black slave hanging from a tree with black 'urban thugs' pointing guns at him, with a caption that read "Bush's Dream come true".... I think my first respose would be to riot. Understanding that violence inspires more violence, I would have to find another way to handle the issue.
quote:Maybe they will find another way, soon.