WHAT. IN. THE. HELL???? Frown Confused Eek



November 18, 2009

Dad accused of forcing son into field, killing him

By DAVID N. GOODMAN
Associated Press Writer




A 37-year-old father irate over hearing his 15-year-old son had sexual contact with a 3-year-old girl made the teen strip at gunpoint, marched him to a vacant lot and shot him to death despite pleas from the boy and his mother, a relative said.

Michigan authorities filed a first-degree murder charge Wednesday against Jamar Pinkney Sr. in the shooting death Monday of Jamar Pinkney Jr. in the Detroit enclave of Highland Park.

Defense attorney Corbett O'Meara said prosecutors should consider evidence of the father's state of mind over the sex abuse report.

"If something were to happen that would cause a reasonable person to lose control of himself, that is something the prosecution would have to take into account," O'Meara said outside Highland Park District Court.

Tensions were high in the courtroom Wednesday as the handcuffed suspect was led into the room for the arraignment, which lasted less than a minute.

"No, No, No," one female relative cried before a police officer escorted her out.

Judge Brigette Officer entered a not guilty plea for Pinkney, who's also charged with assault, and ordered him jailed without bond until a preliminary examination Dec. 1.

"This is something that's hard to deal with for all the parties concerned, including the police," police Chief Ted Caldwell said afterward. "Highland Park is a small city. These are people who have been members of the community for years."

Caldwell said the sexual misconduct allegation that led to the confrontation wasn't part of the police investigation.

The shooting happened Monday night in a vacant lot in the once-prosperous city of 16,000, where decay, abandonment, fires and demolition have eaten away at many of the sprawling homes. Highland Park recently exited years of state financial oversight.

Visitors built an impromptu memorial at the shooting site. Two votive candles sat amid 10 stuffed animals, including two white teddy bears with red hearts embroidered with, "I love you."

The boy's mother, Lazette Cherry, told the Detroit Free Press that her son told her he had improper sexual contact with the girl.

"I called and told his father. This isn't something you sweep under the rug," she said.

Cherry said the elder Pinkney arrived at the home with a gun, ordered his son to strip and marched him outside despite her protests.

"He got on his knees and begged, `No, Daddy, No,' and he pulled the trigger," Cherry said.

Cherry did not immediately respond to a message Wednesday from The Associated Press seeking comment.



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I keep wondering if a case can be made for temporary insanity ... 19

There's definitely a case for premeditation ... as well as out of control anger.

His 3-year-old daughter is molested by his 15 y/o son ... I can understand being 'more than a little upset' about that! Eek

But now, the son is dead, the daughter grows up without her father, the father spends the rest of his life in jail (at the very least), the mother has to live with watching her son be murdered, and the 3 y/o's mother no longer has the support of her baby's father to help raise her!

All because of a bad decision made in a split second involving a gun. Frown

This situation is just tragic beyond words.
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Cherry said the elder Pinkney arrived at the home with a gun, ordered his son to strip and marched him outside despite her protests.



How strong could her protests have been if she was anywhere other than in between that barbaric fool and her son? Law enforcement should have been contacted ASAP.
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Originally posted by negrospiritual:
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Cherry said the elder Pinkney arrived at the home with a gun, ordered his son to strip and marched him outside despite her protests.



How strong could her protests have been if she was anywhere other than in between that barbaric fool and her son.


Good question. 19

I'm wondering if she was more afraid that he would shoot them both ... or felt relatively confident that he would not shoot his own son!?!

I'm wondering if even HE believed that he would shoot his own son! Confused
Also, this child had admitted to his parent that he had done something inappropriate, signaling he did feel some guilt and could have possibly been a good candidate for juvenile detention or probation and a counseling program...

Whatever he did to his sister is reprehensible, but the confession, indicating guilt was a positive sign...

i hope the dad is put to death.
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Originally posted by negrospiritual:
Also, this child had admitted to his parent that he had done something inappropriate, signaling he did feel some guilt and could have possibly been a good candidate for juvenile hall and a counseling program...

whatever he did to his sister is reprehensible, but the confession, indicating guilt was a positive sign...

i hope the dad is put to death.


Yeah ... I thought the same thing - that the boy would be a good candidate for counseling ... especially at his age. He could have nipped whatever that was in the bud before it got out of control. sck

I also don't see any other option but the death penalty for Daddy Dearest, either. Frown That's just a 'f*k up' that can't go (severely) unpunished.

Just .... tragic.

Jamar Pinkney


Jamar Pinkney Jr

Eventhough the child had admitted to his parent that he had done something this inappropriate, signaling a need for help, there were probably a long list of systemtic family problems between the son & dad (that were not addressed) to cause him to "fly off the handle" raging and do such a horrific thing.
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Originally posted by EbonyRose:
I keep wondering if a case can be made for temporary insanity ... 19

There's definitely a case for premeditation ... as well as out of control anger.

His 3-year-old daughter is molested by his 15 y/o son ... I can understand being 'more than a little upset' about that! Eek
Ebony, the report doesn't say that the 3-year old was the boy's sister. It says it was a 3-year old girl. It doesn't look like the girl was the child of these parents, or the brother of the boy.

And look, the temporary insanity defense is problematic here, not just because of the premeditation, but because if he was temporarily insane enough to kill his own son, he's probably prone to doing the same kinds of thing to other people. Hopefully he doesn't hear news like this, but if he kills his son over this, then maybe he'll shoot up his office if he gets fired one day. People who are prone to fly off the handle shouldn't get off for flying off the handle.
Quote by ER: "Yeah, but ... that was his son, Cholly!! His s-o-n!!"
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There are millions of parents (male & female) out there who should have never, ever be parents at all and this guy was one of them.

Just consider all the baby daddies/mammas nationwide/worldwide who have chidren but have no intention of being, in anyway possible responsible/accountable for their children.

**Examples:

The woman who recently sold her baby for sex acts.

The young man in Florida who took his daughter, after an argument with the mother and threw her out of the window of his speeding car onto the Florida interstate.

The White girl in SC who drove her car into a lake and drowned her 3 kids, then tried to blame it on a kidnap by a black man.

The mother in Texas who drowned her 7 kids, one by one, in the bath tub.

Parents (especially fathers) who kill their entire family on the regular.

The list is extremely long and althought this act was in-your-face shocking, it's no different than the others who do it in a different way. Either way, it's execution; the children are killed.

Since the beginning of time, "parents" have sex (protected & unprotected), get pregeant everyday and have unwanted chidren and just because that unintentional/unwanted child is now in their lives, does not mean that there is/was unconditional love for them, if any at all. To those people, children are a life-long problem: probably an attack on their lifestyle(s), a unnecessary burden or whatever.

Many people (even over time) do not have the slightest skill set; the mental, emotional, physical & internal capacity to love or "learn to love" that/those unintended children.

Those people (and there is really no way of knowing until that child/children is born) should not be parents.

99.999% of the population can concieve (many abort: single or joint decision) but wanting & caring for children once they arrived? You just can't tell.

To me, it's like HIV. You can't tell just by looking at a person.

And if someone conducted a study of unwanted pregancies vs planned pregancies, i'll bet that unwanted pregancies skewed way higher.
Wow! The butt kicking he deserved, but cold blooded murder, damn! But I have to say, I don't know too many people who wouldn't feel like going that far if their child was molested. But, when you actually think of the fact that a fifteen year old boy has the genitalia of an adult male and the child being only three years old; that might send a lot of people over the edge. It would have been better if he and/or the aunt had just called social services, that way, the fifteen year old would still be alive, but face punishment for what he did, and the three year old would receive counseling for what he did to her, now the three year old will need even more counseling; between what happened to her, a person being killed over it and the fact that her father will spend the rest of his life in prison (if he does not get the death penalty).
I haven't seen any information that he "penetrated" the child. I've read 3 different articles and each one says "inappropriate touching" or "sexual touching". I'm not sure what that means.

I've been discussing this incident with a friend and how disturbing it is to me that the father executed the child. To me this act seems the ultimate, brutal, betrayal of what fatherhood stands for.

The point was made that any killing not done in self defense is a murder and the fact that this was the child's father really shouldn't matter.

But i have a hard time with that because to me a child looks for guidance, love, acceptance, approval and protection from a father/parent, so to me it's extra heinous, extra barbaric, extra something...when a parent flips into an enemy and blasts the life out of his pleading child.

This child was compliant with his father to the point of being on his knees begging his daddy. His life was in his father's hands...and it mattered not. Chilling.
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Originally posted by Vox:
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Originally posted by EbonyRose:
I keep wondering if a case can be made for temporary insanity ... 19

There's definitely a case for premeditation ... as well as out of control anger.

His 3-year-old daughter is molested by his 15 y/o son ... I can understand being 'more than a little upset' about that! Eek
Ebony, the report doesn't say that the 3-year old was the boy's sister. It says it was a 3-year old girl. It doesn't look like the girl was the child of these parents, or the brother of the boy.


Actually, that was clarified in story with the video link to it. The little girl is indeed his daughter by another woman. And the 'inappropriate contact' allegedly took place while he was over at his father's house.

Interestingly, when the story first broke, there was a statement that said that the boy's mother said that the father called her by mistake after he had driven away and, thinking he was talking to his daughter's mother said, "Baby, I took care of it." That has since been edited out ... 19. I wonder why?

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And look, the temporary insanity defense is problematic here, not just because of the premeditation, but because if he was temporarily insane enough to kill his own son, he's probably prone to doing the same kinds of thing to other people. Hopefully he doesn't hear news like this, but if he kills his son over this, then maybe he'll shoot up his office if he gets fired one day. People who are prone to fly off the handle shouldn't get off for flying off the handle.

I wasn't trying to make a declaration on whether or not that plea would be a 'good' or 'right' one. I'm suggesting it may simply be the truth! (Something I notice you lawyer types seem to place secondary to whether or not it can be proven! Razz).

I would hope that he DID, in fact, go temporarily insane (which, I think, the thought of his 3 y/o daughter being molested could do to any man!) ... in order to be able to kill his own son, in the middle of a wide open vacant lot and in front of witnesses! Being "calm" and "driving away like nothing happened" could very possibly support such a break with reality!

I'm not so sure that's a good enough reason .. but, it may just be the truth!

We've been talking about Black men (and women) and misplaced rage/anger-management issues .. Who knows? Maybe he was just a brotha that couldn't control his anger/emotions and was a habitually violent individual! I mean, he did have a gun!

What he did WAS, by my definition, quite insane! Eek First he beat the kid, stripped him naked, and shot (executed) him in cold blood. His own son. Either way it goes he needs to be punished for what he did. But, if he was 'temporarily insane,' then his conscious and guilt will be punishing him for the rest of his life everyday he has to live with the reality of what he did. sck
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Originally posted by EbonyRose:
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Originally posted by Vox:
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Originally posted by EbonyRose:
I keep wondering if a case can be made for temporary insanity ... 19

There's definitely a case for premeditation ... as well as out of control anger.

His 3-year-old daughter is molested by his 15 y/o son ... I can understand being 'more than a little upset' about that! Eek
Ebony, the report doesn't say that the 3-year old was the boy's sister. It says it was a 3-year old girl. It doesn't look like the girl was the child of these parents, or the brother of the boy.


Actually, that was clarified in story with the video link to it. The little girl is indeed his daughter by another woman. And the 'inappropriate contact' allegedly took place while he was over at his father's house.
Well, DAMN!!! Eek (Not because I stand corrected (although I HATE being wrong, LOL), but because... just, wow.

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Interestingly, when the story first broke, there was a statement that said that the boy's mother said that the father called her by mistake after he had driven away and, thinking he was talking to his daughter's mother said, "Baby, I took care of it." That has since been edited out ... 19. I wonder why?
DAMN! AGAIN!! This sounds like the daughter's mother had something to do with it too!

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And look, the temporary insanity defense is problematic here... I wasn't trying to make a declaration on whether or not that plea would be a 'good' or 'right' one. I'm suggesting it may simply be the truth! (Something I notice you lawyer types seem to place secondary to whether or not it can be proven! Razz).
That is true... lawyers often do like to talk in terms of the juridical framework instead of the actual facts... Sometimes I wonder if we lose sight of the difference!

But in this case, what I'm saying is that the "insanity" that you can be not guilty "by reason of," means that you possessed an inability to apprehend the consequences of your actions. What this guy appears to have done is "insane," meaning crazy, in the way you just lose your mind and go buck-wild. There's a difference between not giving a damn about the consequences of your actions, and actually not understanding the consequences. I have no doubt that he lost his mind, but I don't think it will come out that he lost his mind the way they mean when a defendant pleads insanity.

I think I'm losing my sanity just hearing about some of these stories lately!
Cholly posted a link from Mediatakeout.com in another thread. Some of the poster responses at the bottom of the media takeout.com story which seem to justify dad killing the teen or "refrain from judging dad" are quite sobering. Not that everybody should think the way i do, but that ostensibly black people could have a "serves him right" type attitude or applaud the father seems disturbing. But then, this whole incident is disturbing.

http://www.mediatakeout.com/20...er_was_he_right.html
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Originally posted by EbonyRose:

What he did WAS, by my definition, quite insane! Eek First he beat the kid, stripped him naked, and shot (executed) him in cold blood. His own son.



but he was not psychotic, and not likely hearing voices or aliens or jeebus telling him to sacrifice the child. He methodically took a gun, (not his bare hands) drove over to the mother's home, beat the child, marched him outside, stripped him and shot him. He did not harm himself and he did not hurt/kill anyone but his intended victim so it was not a mania induced killing spree.

Those are orderly methodical steps when you WANT to kill someone and have the presence of mind to execute that plan. Not the disorganized thoughts, voices from gawd, or obliviousness to reality of a legally "insane" or clinically "psychotic" person.

but of course, paid psychiatric experts will probably offer at least 2 opposing and confusing perspectives on the issue. sck
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Originally posted by Vox:
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Originally posted by EbonyRose:
I wasn't trying to make a declaration on whether or not that plea would be a 'good' or 'right' one. I'm suggesting it may simply be the truth! (Something I notice you lawyer types seem to place secondary to whether or not it can be proven! Razz).

That is true... lawyers often do like to talk in terms of the juridical framework instead of the actual facts... Sometimes I wonder if we lose sight of the difference!


For defense attorney's, maybe ... 19. For prosecutors, I'm not sure they ever have sight of difference to begin with. sck

If this weren't true, I don't think we'd have nearly as many wrongly-convicted inmates doing time for crimes they didn't commit.

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But in this case, what I'm saying is that the "insanity" that you can be not guilty "by reason of," means that you possessed an inability to apprehend the consequences of your actions. What this guy appears to have done is "insane," meaning crazy, in the way you just lose your mind and go buck-wild. There's a difference between not giving a damn about the consequences of your actions, and actually not understanding the consequences. I have no doubt that he lost his mind, but I don't think it will come out that he lost his mind the way they mean when a defendant pleads insanity.


I gotcha! tfro And I agree that that probably wasn't the case in this instance.
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Originally posted by negrospiritual:
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Originally posted by ricardomath:
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Originally posted by negrospiritual:


i hope the dad is put to death.


Wouldn't that just be the same thing all over again?

sck

It would be, in effect, justifying what the father did.



How so?

The son was seen as committing a heinous crime and the father meted out execution as punishment.

The father has committed a heinous crime, and many are advocating that the state mete out execution as punishment.

As atrocious as acts such as these; e.g. the Shaniya Davis case given that if I were in the same room with the perpetrators, it would take a great deal of restraint to prevent me from eviscerating them; the death penalty affords for little more than emotional catharsis. I does nothing at all to prevent such events from happening again, which would be a productive outcome, IMHO.
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Originally posted by kresge:
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Originally posted by negrospiritual:
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Originally posted by ricardomath:
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Originally posted by negrospiritual:


i hope the dad is put to death.


Wouldn't that just be the same thing all over again?

sck

It would be, in effect, justifying what the father did.



How so?

The son was seen as committing a heinous crime and the father meted out execution as punishment.

The father has committed a heinous crime, and many are advocating that the state mete out execution as punishment.

As atrocious as acts such as these; e.g. the Shaniya Davis case given that if I were in the same room with the perpetrators, it would take a great deal of restraint to prevent me from eviscerating them; the death penalty affords for little more than emotional catharsis. I does nothing at all to prevent such events from happening again, which would be a productive outcome, IMHO.
And let's face it, execution by lethal injection doesn't even do THAT. (I say that at the risk of this issue becoming my own personal "mandatory accounting"-style obsession. Smile But think about it.)
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Originally posted by kresge:
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Originally posted by negrospiritual:
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Originally posted by ricardomath:
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Originally posted by negrospiritual:


i hope the dad is put to death.


Wouldn't that just be the same thing all over again?

sck

It would be, in effect, justifying what the father did.



How so?

The son was seen as committing a heinous crime and the father meted out execution as punishment.

The father has committed a heinous crime, and many are advocating that the state mete out execution as punishment.

As atrocious as acts such as these; e.g. the Shaniya Davis case given that if I were in the same room with the perpetrators, it would take a great deal of restraint to prevent me from eviscerating them; the death penalty affords for little more than emotional catharsis. It does nothing at all to prevent such events from happening again, which would be a productive outcome, IMHO.


That's not entirely true.

Habitual criminals generally continue to commit crimes anytime they are out of prison or 'back out on the street'. The penal system continues to let out thousands and thousands of repeat offenders (including murders and rapists and child molesters) after they've 'done their time'.

If their 'time' were ended by a lethal injection, they would not be going back out on the street to murder/rape/molest AGAIN. Thus, it could potentially reduce the number of victims ... 'cause if these perpetrators did not harm them, there's no guarantee - and little likelihood - that someone else might traumatize them in the exact same way.
fro When a person does something soooooo desperate as that...I begin to look at the person. And maybe he, the father, SAW himself in the son. And maybe.....no body CAUGHT him, the father, and felt the need to destruct the SEED he created. Cuz this DOES NOT make ANY sense. You get your children HELP. You don't kill them. I remember years ago...during the MacMartin case, they didn't have services to help with child molestation[sp]. Now they do. So what was REALLY his motivation? Sumthing's wrong. It just DON'T sound right. He, the father, is HIDING sumthing. That would have probably come out during therapy. This is my spin anyway. Could be wrong. But....working with children....I know sometimes this could be a learned behavior. Either the son was molested himself....or witnessed someone being molested. The father's behavior indicates to ME that he wanted to make sure that whatever caused his son to do this....didn't get out in public. But! JMHO is all.

fro
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Originally posted by Kocolicious:
fro When a person does something soooooo desperate as that...I begin to look at the person. And maybe he, the father, SAW himself in the son. And maybe.....no body CAUGHT him, the father, and felt the need to destruct the SEED he created.
Don't know if this is true or not, but it's a very interesting point. 19

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