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I guess this PARTIALLY explains why some blacks have moved out of their neighborhoods wih growth of the middle class....and not because they abandoned their race as some of the conservs and troubled in here like to state.

County's Poor Areas Tripled, Study Finds
Inner-city ring of poverty intensifies, but the problem also has spread to neighborhoods in the suburban areas.

The number of poor neighborhoods in the Los Angeles region has more than tripled over the last 30 years, with poor and very poor neighborhoods becoming more geographically concentrated in suburban areas, according to a UCLA-Brookings Institution study released Monday.

The study, titled "The Trajectory of Poor Neighborhoods in Southern California, 1970-2000," reports that immigration and the region's economy are responsible for a steady increase in the area's poverty rate and a shift in the location of poor neighborhoods.

"In the past three decades, the Los Angeles region has witnessed a large-scale spatial reorganization of poverty," the report states. "Where once concentrated poverty was confined to neighborhoods in the inner city, it has since spread to the suburbs."

The study was written by researchers with UCLA's Ralph and Goldy Lewis Center for Regional Policy Studies and the Brookings Institution's Center on Urban and Metropolitan Policy. In a review of regional census data, researchers found that many of the area's very poor were concentrated in neighborhoods around downtown L.A.

During the 1990s, downtown Los Angeles and the Long Beach port area saw many poor neighborhoods worsen and become very poor neighborhoods "” areas where the poverty rate exceeded 40%. The urban ring of poverty extended into the cities of Inglewood and Hawthorne, while the San Fernando Valley, Lancaster and Palmdale also saw a sharp increase in concentrated neighborhood poverty, the report said.

This ring of very poor neighborhoods follows the Harbor and Long Beach freeway corridors south to San Pedro, as well as the Ventura Freeway between Pasadena and Burbank.

In 1970, not quite a third of the region's population lived in areas with a poverty rate of at least 20%. In the year 2000, 57% did, according to the study.

Areas outside urban Los Angeles experienced the most rapid expansions of poverty, especially during the 1990s. Between 1970 and 2000, the percentage of poor neighborhoods in suburban Los Angeles County quadrupled, while it tripled in surrounding counties and remained relatively constant in urban L.A.

The report says that international migration has played a major role, as well as the loss of many well-paying manufacturing jobs in the region. A large supply of less-skilled workers has depressed wages and created more competition in the labor market, contributing to slow wage growth and limited economic mobility, the report said.

Racial and ethnic features of area poverty have also changed, the report said. The Latino proportion of the population living in very poor neighborhoods increased more than threefold between 1970 and 2000, while the black share of the population living in very poor neighborhoods declined dramatically.
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Awww dang, Kevin! That just breaks my heart!! Frown

I know just what areas they're talking about and just how what happened happened! I saw it all and they're absolutely right! I just didn't know it was to that "very poor" level! Seeing my hometown decline to such a state like that just makes my bottom lip wanna poke out!! brofrown

Free your mind, and the rest will follow.
I hate to see anyone impoverished ER,

I think a combinaton of factors such as rising housing and business costs and the export of jobs that declined in wages really fostered this impoverished state of affairs. Policies that did not aid the education and employment of many people also conributed. this is the shit people need to look at when they start waving flags and bragging about what a great country this is. old rich white dudes getting rich by farming out all of the jobs elsewhere, reducing employee protections and keeping wealth amonst themselves with the wars they create......but the average stupid azz citizen does not see the bigger picture.....even if the policy adversely affects them...they'll still wave the flag and call themselves poor republicans...members of the party for the rich..kinda out of place huh? Black people's plight is aided by the racist and politcal ineptitude of poor whites. They vote against their own poor azzes and since some of us are poor also, we are taken along for THAT ride down poverty lane with their stupid azzes that go voluntarily....
I posted previously:

They vote against their own poor azzes and since some of us are poor also, we are taken along for THAT ride down poverty lane with their stupid azzes that go voluntarily....

** And the reason they do so is because they have been convinced that being a poor white is still better then being a poor black. Although they may get some (meager for the most part) societal accommodations, they do not get lifted out of poverty totally with them. If they thought about it in context, they would ask themselves, "how can poor be better in any form or fashion, black, white or otherwise"? amazing isn't it?
"Racial and ethnic features of area poverty have also changed, the report said. The Latino proportion of the population living in very poor neighborhoods increased more than threefold between 1970 and 2000, while the black share of the population living in very poor neighborhoods declined dramatically."

But this reference is not entirely the reality of it, because the largest homeless population in the Los Angeles County, etc., etc., has been, is, and continues to be Black people.

As far as any large group of hispanics in poverty, most are undocumented and/or illegal immigrants who have come to the U.S. from Mexico, El Salvador, etc.,etc., etc. The Hispanics who have lived in the U.S. for more than one generation are not the largest segment of their community who remain in poverty.

Furthermore, unlike the Black middle class, who by and large, reached such status by working for someelse, be it public or private, more so than not, Hispanics own and operate many family businesses which have enabled them to hire other Hispanics, to improve the quality of life in the Hispanic community.

East Los Angeles, the oldest Hispanic community in Los Angeles continues to be controlled by the Hispanic Community, to which Hispanics are large and in charge, in terms of economic prowness, political clout, business ownership, etc.

The so-called Black middle class, for whatever reason, left former communities predominated by Black people such as Compton, South Central, Watts, and many are even leaving Inglewood, for other communities. In many instances the so-called Black middle class left their elderly in grandparents, parents, etc., within Compton, South Central, Watts, etc. Unlike Black people, Hispanics live together as family units, sometimes several family units in the same cramped dwelling to share the cost of living, so as to save more money, so that they can finance the ownership of a business, a home, an apartment complex for rental, etc. Heck, in many instances, Black people are at the mercy of Hispanics who own rental property in communities that Hispanics control, or communities that the Black middle class basically abandoned for what ever reason.

The subburbs, such as the Inland Empire, Riverside County, were nothing but a series of Caucasian owned family run farm properties, be it a couple years ago, or a couple of decades ago. Caucasian property owners could not compete with the larger commercial farm owners, such as a Hormel, Kellog, etc., etc., so they subdivided the land, built large housing tracts on the property, and sold 20 to 30 year old mortgages to purchase a home to the so-called Black middle class, who chose to buy homes at a lower cost as compared to anything bought or sold in Los Angeles. Mind you, in many instances many of these new home buyers, so-called Black middle class, continue to commute over one hundred miles round trip, to the City of County of Los Angeles, to their places of employment.

This enabled former farm owning Caucasians to reap huge profits, to which they reinvested their profits in shopping malls, construction companies, mortgage companies, etc., etc., which has enabled that Caucasian former farm owner to move anywhere that they choose, even into an affluent community such as Pacific Palisades, Granada Hills, etc., etc.

While Black people, especially as it concerns those who are making a grip, senseless keep no good Black preachers in financial comfort, other ethnic groups such as Koreans, Hispanics, etc., use their earnings to move their people out of poverty, through business investment, home ownership, etc., etc.

Mind you, all these Black people just love Michael Jackson, while Michael Jackson's employees are better than 90% Caucasian. Heck, that few and far between Black business owner, will hire hispanic immigrants before he or she will hire any Black male or female in need of gainful employment.

Furthermore, this article does not speak to the extremely large number of Black men and women, between the ages of 18 and 45 who have been killed by other Black people, the sheer numbers of Black men and women who are felons, and/or the numbers of foster children denied a quality educational opportunity, who are now homeless, unemployed, and/or prison bound, counter-productive activity that predates 1970.


...and indeed that so-called university educated Black professional who has been a part of this foolishness may face criminal procecution and/or jail time. .......and to think a few people on this board choose not to identify with this reality, that I have expressed on more than one occasion.

Los Angeles Daily News

Foster care cash cow
'Perverse incentive factor' rewards county for swelling system, critics say

By Troy Anderson
Staff Writer

Saturday, December 06, 2003 -

Up to half of Los Angeles County's foster children were needlessly placed in a system that is often more dangerous than their own homes because of financial incentives in state and federal laws, a two-year Daily News investigation has found.

The county receives nearly $30,000 a year from federal and state governments for each child placed in the system -- money that goes to pay the stipends of foster parents, but also wages, benefits and overhead costs for child-welfare workers and executives. For some special-needs children, the county receives up to $150,000 annually.

"Called the 'perverse incentive factor,' states and counties earn more revenues by having more children in the system -- whether it is opening a case to investigate a report of child abuse and neglect or placing a child in foster care," wrote the authors of a recent report by the state Department of Social Services Child Welfare Stakeholders Group.

Since the early 1980s, the number of foster children in California has gone up fivefold, and doubled in the county and nation. About one in four children will come into contact with the child welfare system before turning 18, officials say.

This has overwhelmed social workers, who often don't have time to help troubled families or monitor the care children receive in foster homes.

The hundreds of thousands of children who have cycled through the county's system over the years are six to seven times more likely to be mistreated and three times more likely to be killed than children in the general population, government statistics reveal.

Officials acknowledge that more than 660 children embroiled in the county's foster care system have died since 1991, including more than 160 who were homicide victims.

'Could have stayed home' "The county's foster care system makes Charles Dickens' descriptions look flattering," said Mark Rosenbaum, legal director at the American Civil Liberties Union of Southern California.

David Sanders, who took over as director of the Department of Children and Family Services in March, said experts estimate up to 50 percent of the 75,000 children in the system and adoptive homes could have been left in their parents' care if appropriate services had been provided. He said DCFS comes into contact with nearly 180,000 children each year.

"There were probably issues the kids and their families were facing, but if they had some kind of support services, the kids could have stayed home," Sanders said. "At the extreme, there are clearly parents who never should have had their children. They torture their children and everyone in the community would agree that they should not have their children.

"On the other end, you clearly have situations where families have done things, but may be under stress one day, have every intention of taking care of their children and are not dangerous, but involvement by child protective services ends up being much too intrusive."

The Daily News' investigation of the child-welfare system, which is shrouded in secrecy by confidentiality laws, involved the review of tens of thousands of pages of government and confidential juvenile court documents, studies, computer databases and several hundred interviews.

As the investigation progressed, state and county officials acknowledged that the financial incentives built into the laws encourage the needless placements of children in foster care, and officials have started taking steps to reform the system.

Social worker Anthony Cavuoti, who has worked 14 years for the county, said DCFS employees use the most liberal of guidelines in deciding whether to remove a child from their home. Some parents have had their children removed for yelling at them, allowing them to miss or be late to school or having a dirty home.

"The service that DCFS now provides is worse than the abuse that most abused children ever experienced. The trauma they inflict on ordinary children is unspeakable."

Overeager caseworkers Sanders said he thinks caseworkers have sometimes been too eager to remove children from their homes -- a practice he is trying to change.

"I think children should only be removed when there is an imminent risk. I've said consistently that we do have too many children who have been removed," he said.

"We need to provide the kind of supports to keep these kids at home."

As early as 1992, the state's Little Hoover Commission cited experts who estimated that 35 percent to 70 percent of foster children in California should never have been removed from their families and have suffered deep psychological trauma as a result. On any given day, a total of 175,000 children are now in the state child protective system.

In recent months, parents in several states have filed class-action lawsuits and testified before Congress, alleging that thousands of their children have been wrongfully taken from their homes.

State and county officials admitted recently that they have placed too many children in foster care, especially poor and minority children. California has 13 percent of the nation's total child population, but 20 percent of its foster children, statistics show.

Minorities make up 85 percent of foster children in the county and 70 percent statewide. Experts say so many minorities are placed in foster care because the federal government pays for most of the costs of caring for foster children from poor families while states and counties are expected to pick up most of the tab for foster children from wealthier homes.

"That's exactly right," Sanders said. "The eligibility for foster care reimbursements is poverty driven."

State and county officials say not enough has been done to help troubled families and the system has deteriorated into an "adversarial and coercive" one that places too much emphasis on investigating families for alleged mistreatment and removing their children.

About 80 percent of foster children in the state and county are removed for "neglect," which experts say is often a euphemism for poverty-related conditions, such as dirty or cramped homes, a lack of money to provide enough food, clothing and medical care to children or a single mother who works more than one job, can't afford child care and leaves her children unattended.

The Reason Public Policy Institute, a Los Angeles think tank, released a report in 1999 that found the current child protective system undermines parental authority, wrongfully accuses hundreds of thousands of innocent families and leaves many children at risk of mistreatment.

The study's author, Susan Orr, a former U.S. Department of Health and Human Services child-abuse researcher, said too many unfounded allegations drain the system's resources.

She noted that nearly 50 percent of child-abuse deaths occur in families that have had some contact with children's services agencies. That statistic, say experts, shows the system is failing in its basic mission of protecting children from truly abusive parents.

'Legal kidnapping' A review of more than $25 million in foster care lawsuit settlements and judgments in Los Angeles County since the early 1990s found about half involved the unnecessary removal of children and their subsequent mistreatment or wrongful deaths, according to the county's own admissions of wrongful seizures in county Claims Board documents or assertions by the families' attorneys.

In a Daily News review of 139 claims against the county -- an action that usually precedes the filing of a lawsuit against the county -- 26 of the claims involved allegations of wrongful seizures of children. In two cases, parents alleged their children were seized by the county for financial gain because local governments receive revenue for every child taken into the system.

Parents also have alleged in dozens of recent appeals to state appellate courts that their children were needlessly taken from them.

"It's legal kidnapping to make a profit," said Lancaster resident John Elliott, a 54-year-old former Warner Bros. special-effects technician, who filed a claim alleging social workers made false allegations against him and placed his daughter in foster care.

After he spent $150,000 fighting to get his daughter back, the county ultimately admitted it was mistaken in taking his daughter and returned her to him.

"They tell lies to keep your kids in the system," Elliott said. "My daughter was abused the whole time she was there. It's a multibillion-dollar business. It's all about profit."

Santa Ana attorney Jack H. Anthony, who won a $1.5 million verdict in 2001 in a case involving the death of a foster child burned in scalding bathtub water, said parents often call asking him to file lawsuits over the unnecessary placement of their children in foster care. But social workers are generally immune from liability for the wrongful placement of a child in foster care, Anthony said.

"It's very difficult to hold anybody responsible for making a negligent decision to take the children," Anthony said. "In most of the cases I see, the children would have been better off had they not been taken from their parents."

No clear standards For years, DCFS had no clear standards defining what child abuse or neglect was. The decision whether to remove a child was often left up to overworked social workers' hunches about how safe children were in their parents' homes, Sanders said.

Bruce Rubenstein, DCFS deputy director from 1991-97, said the department intimidated social workers into removing children for little or no reason after a couple of high-profile cases where children returned from foster care to their parents were murdered.

"The word was, 'Remove everybody. Remove all the kids.' It's pretty fundamental that the county was breaking up families that didn't need to be broken up," Rubenstein said. "Only new leadership giving clear messages can free that department from this sickness."

DCFS recently began training social workers in a research-based tool called "structured decision-making," which Sanders hopes will help them make better decisions about when to remove a child. The method has been successful in reducing unnecessary foster care placements in other states and counties.

The stakeholders report found the vague definition of neglect, unbridled discretion and a lack of training form a dangerous combination in the hands of social workers charged with deciding the fate of families.

Despite a quadrupling in reporting of child mistreatment cases since 1976 due to greater awareness of the child abuse problem in the nation, the number of actual cases of abuse and neglect annually has remained flat.

Unfortunately, experts say in explaining the large number of false accusations, the DCFS Child Abuse Hotline has become a weapon of choice for malicious neighbors and angry spouses and lovers in child custody disputes.

"A lot of people use child protective services for revenge," Cavuoti said. "About half of the cases we get are completely bogus. They are just people calling to get back at a neighbor."

While about 7,500 children enter the county's foster care system each year, only a small percentage are reunified with their families. A recent study found that nationwide 76 percent of children are returned home from foster care within a year. But in Los Angeles County, only 19 percent are returned home within a year of entering foster care.

Troy Anderson, (213) 974-8985


Since the 1980s, the number of children in the child-protective system has sharply increased, government figures show:

Nationwide, the number of children in foster care doubled from 273,500 in 1986 to 540,000 in 2003.

In California, the number of children increased more than 400%, from 32,288 in 1983 to 175,000 in 2003.

In Los Angeles County, the number increased from 42,894 in 1986 to approximately 75,000 in 2003.

SOURCE: Daily News research


Where ever Black people run to, you'll find a large hispanic community, because while many Black people continue to use illicit drugs, many illegal, undocumented, legal hispanic immigrants sell crack, cocaine, etc., to Black people, and use their profits as a means to lift their people out of poverty.

The numerous Black people that this article does not include are those who have ruined their health, lost good paying jobs, have gone to prison, and/or have killed themselves because of their self destructive lifestyle.

There are more Black people in prison, or who have passed through the prison system, than those who graduate from any recognized university. This is indeed the reality of it. The masses of Black people are not middle class, and the Black middle class are not middle class based upon business ownership, because our own elected Black leadership do not serve the Black community, the Black middle class have failed the Black community, by and large the so-called university educated do not invest in building the economic strength of Black people, and last but no least, the Black Church has failed the Black community. This is no mystery, because the same can be said for virtually every Black community across the U.S.

A little reality to quash falsehoods!

A failing Black Middle Class, and/or otherwise is very real as it concerns to the state of Black America, to which the decline in economic, social, and political power, is not confined to California!

You may be next!

By the way, class is determined by income and assets, not business ownership status.......I thought I would clear that one Kevin41

Free enterprise, which is the essense of business ownership make it possible to create additional assets. This is valid, whether a business venture is composed of one employee, or several partners, because the owners of any business create employment for the employee.

Assets and status, are derived from various business investments, so what exactly have you cleared up!

Those who own the business derive the greatest tax advantages, and the amount of assets acquired by a business owner can exceed those of anyone, who chooses to be an employee of the business, by leaps and bounds! which the business community is responsible for changing very dismal economic environment of a South Central Los Angeles, a Compton, etc. Many of the new business owners are Hispanic, Korean, some are middle class, to which the change in demographics has influenced Home Depot, Target, Washington Mutual, etc., conduct a place of business in South Central Los Angeles.

During the period that this area was predominately Black, the Black middle class, which include lawyers, accountants, doctors, dentists, elected officials, architects, electricians, plumbers, engineers, business administrators, etc., could have done the same, but instead many ran like a bat out of hell away from the Black community just like Caucasians. Some of the Black middle class, specifically real estate agents, home improvement loan officers, etc., have used their educational expertise to cheat or deceive the Black elderly out of their property rights, which is the height of being disgraceful,.....just so that they can live in a beach community, Pacific Palisades, Beverly Hills, Palm Springs, Fox Hills, Baldwin Hills, Brentwood, etc.,.... to which a few of those convicted of such sleaze, as it concerns that so-called university educated misfit set of Black people, have served time in prison, and/or are serving time in prison, the felony rap being real estate fraud. Many of the Black middle class, the so-called Black upperclass thought by running they could get away from Black people presumed to be criminal, the unemployed, the homeless, the drug addicted, the gangmembers, the prostitutes, the pimps, the destitute, etc., but the same element of undesirable individuals that they attempted to get away from or run away from, trailed them to Palmdale, Palm Springs, Ontario, Moreno Valley, North Hollywood, etc.

A community is only as good, as the residents who live there make it, meaning it would have been more productive to remain in the community and build up a South Central Los Angeles, a Compton, etc., because should the business interests of the Caucasian, Korean, Hispanic, Jewish, Islamic, etc., communities take the risks to improve the quality of life within an area, those who "bear the cross shall wear the crown".

There is professor Kevin41's version, and then there is the reality of life as it applies to the masses. But I presume, the various university educated Black people who drafted this report, some being university professors as well, and/or otherwise, do not have any clue as to the State of Black America, or very little significance come from the reality that they have expressed, which is indeed very factual!


Michael Lofton

[This message was edited by Lofton on December 07, 2003 at 06:44 PM.]

There are stats for business start-ups that show blacks at a higher rate than anyone. People move for various reasons, to buy a bigger house, to get away from fools that run down the property value (you can't stop grown folks from doing what they want to), a change of jobs and many other reasons. Plus, LA is not an accurate picture of black america as a whole. We are different regionally in many respects...from who we marry to where we attend school. That is why I am glad that I am not a hick who only lived in one neighborhood all my life or has never travelled for a period of time. I do not want that small-minded "my community is the center of the world" mentality.

I wonder why everything blacks do has to be so-called also...but self-denigrating blacks do not bother me....they hate themselves and anyone else who looks like them. I deal with progressive blacks only and let house negroes alone to worship white folks in peace. By the way, class is determined by income and assets, not business ownership status.......I thought I would clear that one up.......

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