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Originally posted by Constructive Feedback:
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women exercising their Constitutionally protected right to choice


At the end of either process the Black baby is................?


And therein lies the crux of your problem. You have the inability to understand that life is not black and white, but a pallette of hues. In your world, either something is fed you by a white conservative god, or it is wrong. How curious that your concern for "black babies" evaporates at birth. Where is your care for them as you withold healthcare, education, due process under the law, equality of opportunity, etc., etc., etc.?
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either something is fed you by a white conservative god, or it is wrong. How curious that your concern for "black babies" evaporates at birth. Where is your care for them as you withold healthcare, education, due process under the law, equality of opportunity, etc., etc., etc.?


And YOU seem to know the talking points of the WHITE SOCIALIST rather well.

You see MBM - you have an open ended heart. You and other fundamentalist believe that you have MORAL SUPERIORITY because you stand for PROVIDING MAXIMUM BENEFIT FOR THE MASSES. How touching.

You fail miserably when it comes to the concept of EXPECTING SOMETHEM FROM THE POOR.

My wife and I COULD have a 3rd, 4th or even 8th baby. We know that by doing so it would impact us financially, time-wise, housing-wise and healthcare-wise.

In seeking to MAINTAIN OUR STANDARD OF LIVING we therefore take proper precaution to prevent another pregnancy. Many of my male friends who have similar concerns have gone under the knife. (Not the kid though. I am a breeder for life - if I choose).

You see the core problem with you, my friend Kevin and many others is that in your QUASI-SOCIALISM you NEED TO ALWAYS STAY NEAR TO A POPULATION OF PEOPLE WHO ARE PRODUCING THE RESOURCES for you to make use of to obtain the STANDARD OF LIVING that you wish to bestow upon the people THAT YOU ASK NOTHING OF.

(I will stop right here and allow you to think about this and have Kewli or anyone else refute this).

YOU WILL NEVER, NEVER, NEVER accomplish the permanent fix that you have planned for the poor masses BECAUSE YOU NEVER DO ANYTHING TO HAVE THEM TO MAKE MAXIMUM USE OF THEIR POTENTIAL. You see your job as being INSERVICE TO THEM, bringing them resources for them to live.

As you stand for a photo op in front of a center that was constructed for their use USING FUNDS THAT WERE GENERATED BY SOMEONE ELSE'S SYSTEM OF ECONOMIC CREATION it is YOU who receive the thanks and the glory. THEY HATE THE PEOPLE WHO'S FUNDS MADE THE CENTER HAPPEN. You are the conduit. You win their praise and loyalty.

The day that you fear most is when the people who create the wealth DEPART FROM YOU. Your entire plan falls to the ground.

You say:
healthcare
education
due process under the law
equality of opportunity

I AM FOR IT BROTHER. These are COMMON GOALS that we both can agree on.

Now tell me though - HOW MUCH OF THESE DO YOU ASK OF YOUR "VICTIMS"?

Healthcare - do you ask them to live "healthy lifestyles" so that this may one day be realized or is it born out of GOVERNMENT services?

Education - same thing. Is "quality education" expressed in the construction of buildings, teacher salaries and brand new text books - just like de White folks have OR it is a COMMUNITY AFFAIR? (See The New Haven Charter shool and learn what an EDUCATIONAL COMMUNITY that is taking place in an impoverished community looks like. Darn - not a regular public school - not acceptable)

Due Process Under The Law - A court system can "Due" in relation to how busy it is. What happens when you are a policeman, a public defender a DA, a judge when you see the SAME individuals who come through your system on a monthly basis? THEY DON'T RESPECT YOUR LAWS. Getting locked up for a hot minute is just the rules of the game. Do you think that these policemen, PD, DA or judges can lift the community up into respecting the law and improving the "Due Process?" (Oh no. I just BLAMED THE VICTIM.) MBM - DO You believe that you have "Due Process" where you live? Or is it a "Black thang" to have it be denied to you?

Equality of Opportunity? - On another Black oriented message board that I participate in one guy told me how he just opened a new "Subway" shop. He hired a BLACK contractor to do the interior. His entire staff is BLACK. In his mind do you think that he has "Denied Opportunity" to non-Blacks or provided opporunity to BLACKS? (Worse yet do you figure that any Whites CARE what he did as they are not DEPENDENT on the jobs that he has to offer - they have their own.)

Please tell me which one is it MBM - should Blacks seek to DO BUSINESS WITH OTHER BLACKS and hire other BLACKS or should we advocate for TOTAL INTEGRATION where a person is hired, contracted or housed REGARDLESS OF HIS RACE?
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You see the core problem with you, my friend Kevin and many others is that in your QUASI-SOCIALISM you NEED TO ALWAYS STAY NEAR TO A POPULATION OF PEOPLE WHO ARE PRODUCING THE RESOURCES for you to make use of to obtain the STANDARD OF LIVING that you wish to bestow upon the people THAT YOU ASK NOTHING OF.




**MBM....I guess as an educator I just GIVE black people grades....and the black causes I give money to is just for them to live off of and not invest in their education and futures. I guess my support of affirmative action was not for black people to go to colleges and also be fairly included in jobs that show our historical representation as low...I guess I want jobs and education for black people to not utilize them and sit on their lazy welfare collecting azzes and watch TV....just like those dumbazz inbreds in the red states who know that W will save em. I never knew I was so non-progressive....but i'm a higher acheiver than the house negroes who bring the fact to my attention.....it is amazing that i could accomplish all what I have but not even think other black people are capable of the same...maybe I am a closet UNALIKE myself......(end sarcasm)
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Originally posted by Constructive Feedback:

Now tell me though - HOW MUCH OF THESE DO YOU ASK OF YOUR "VICTIMS"?


Based upon the onus you place on their backs, why do you call them "victims"? Please explain.

A woman has been repeatedly abused by her husband over the years. She walks into the police station, finally, seeking protection and relief. CF looks at her and says, "What are you prepared to do to change to help your situation?" Confused

First of all - she has taken the first step and is at the damned police station. Second of all, that she has survived as long as she has is a testament to her personal commitment to survival. Third, in the calculus of responsisbility - when the scales are tipped 99.99% to 0.01% - why are we even talking about the 0.01% at this time?

Robert Smalls, the black reconstruction-era Congressman from South Carolina said it best:
My race needs no special defense, for the past history of them in ths country proves them to be the equal of any people anywhere. All they need is an equal chance in the battle of life.

He said that in 1895. It is even more true today in 2006.

Another thing - since Bush, the wealthy class is getting bigger, the poor are getting bigger with the middle class getting smaller. Without knowing anything, I would bet that the black middle class has either grown or reduced at a smaller rate than has the white middle class. If that is the case, then that would seem to prove that much of what you blame African America for is really a product of class and poverty American-style as much as it is our particular race and culture. It will be quite interesting to see how you try to wiggle out of your world-view and position then.
lol
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Originally posted by Constructive Feedback:
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either something is fed you by a white conservative god, or it is wrong. How curious that your concern for "black babies" evaporates at birth. Where is your care for them as you withold healthcare, education, due process under the law, equality of opportunity, etc., etc., etc.?


And YOU seem to know the talking points of the WHITE SOCIALIST rather well.....


YOU ARE A FRAUD
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Originally posted by Kevin41:
You're right Vox...liberals promote crime and allow it to fester with their "stop snitching" culture...man if they could only possess the moral fiber those gud white conservatives and their progressive black following only seem to have (end sarcasm).


CF hates if a "liberal" does the "stop snitching" thing, but he is all for the Bush White House spying on Americans, silencing the Media reporting on his activities, and the Bush Admin. and Neoconservatives' "stop snitching" culture.
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Originally posted by MBM:
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Originally posted by Constructive Feedback:
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women exercising their Constitutionally protected right to choice


At the end of either process the Black baby is................?


And therein lies the crux of your problem. You have the inability to understand that life is not black and white, but a pallette of hues. In your world, either something is fed you by a white conservative god, or it is wrong. How curious that your concern for "black babies" evaporates at birth. Where is your care for them as you withold healthcare, education, due process under the law, equality of opportunity, etc., etc., etc.?


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Don't you know, MBM? Pregnancy is God's punishment against women for being whores and sluts! We shouldn't allow for women to have choices over their bodies, God wants men to use the righteous arm of law to decide things for wimmin.

They don't need no help once the babies are born. Being single mothers in poverty is God's punishment on them for being loose.
[/End Sarcasm]
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Originally posted by Constructive Feedback:
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Originally posted by HonestBrother:

YOU ARE A FRAUD


Honest Brother - you are probably a funny brother in person and not half the PRICK that you come off as on this message board.


I'm funny when I wannabe. But with folk like you WANNABES I'm a PRICK. That's the * most * perceptive thing you've said so far. Congratulations!
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