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....and walked hand in hand with Father Eusebius as the concept of Christianity was wielded and formed into the "lying lore" that it is today...

Human history has allowed precious few ancient religious writings to survive the onslaught of the more aggressive and powerful religious forces, which seek only to gain territory and wealth. Genocide and cultural eradication always go hand in hand with missionary zeal. In many cases every trace of the conquered society's religious writings, practices, icons, and even buildings were destroyed, in the name of conversion from worship of gods considered evil, and religious customs labeled as heresies. What generally results from past crusades is the conqueror's religion replacing or predominantly blending with the conquered culture's former religious practice, making the its religion almost unrecognizable. Christianity falls into the latter category, having been the victim of the Roman Empire, under the Emperor Constantine, who blended the Christian Church with the institutionalized "pagan" practices of Rome and eliminated any semblance of either the Jewish religious influence or the first church Jesus established during his ministry.

After solidifying his position to gain complete control of the western portion of the empire in 312, the Emperor Constantine instituted the Edict of Milan, a "Magna Carta of religious liberty," which eventually changed the Empire's religion and put Christianity on an equal footing with paganism. Almost overnight the position of the Christian Church was reversed from persecuted to legal and accepted. Constantine began to rely on the church for support, and it on him for protection. The Church and the Empire formed an alliance, which remains to this day. Very rapidly, the laws and policies of the Empire and the doctrine of the Church became one with Constantine as the interpreter of both law and policy. This was accomplished by eliminating hundreds of books thought to be against "Church" doctrine and watering down what remained by blending Christian beliefs and practice with long established Roman sanctioned pagan worship.

Constantine believed that the Church and the State should be as close as possible. Constantine tolerated pagan practices, keeping pagan gods on coins and retaining his pagan high priest title "Pontifex Maximus" in order to maintain popularity with his former subjects. In 330 he began an assault on paganism but used a clever method of persuasion to force people to follow the laws by combining pagan worship with Christianity. He made December 25th, the birthday of the pagan Unconquered Sun god, the official holiday now celebrated as the birthday of Jesus. He also replaced the weekly day of worship by making rest on Saturday unlawful and forcing the new religion to honor the first, not the seventh day, as a day of rest. As a way of defining his concept of the new universal religion he simply classified everything "Jewish" to be an abomination. Considering almost every aspect of the Bible is "Jewish" by association, every doctrinal biblical principle was changed or eliminated. After 337 Constantine increased his purging of the more obvious aspects of paganism.

Through a series of Universal Councils, he and his successors completely altered doctrine without regard to biblical edict, set up a church hierarchy of his own design, and established a set of beliefs and practices, which are the basis for all mainstream Bible-based churches. The separation of the Protestants and the Roman Church caused a physical split but the beliefs and practices established by Constantine remained almost identical. Very little has changed since the 4th century Councils changed the face of Christianity. An effective practice instituted was the purging of any book in the formerly accepted biblical works, over 80% of the total, that church leaders felt did not fit within their new concept of Christianity. The doctrines and practices remaining in the surviving books were effectively eradicated by simply changing them by replacing clear scripture with Church-sanctioned doctrine.

Constantine began what was to become a centuries long effort to eliminate any book in the original Bible that was considered unacceptable to the new doctrine of the church. At that time, it is believed there were up to 600 books, which comprised the work we now know as the Bible. Through a series of decisions made by the early church leadership, all but 80 of those books, known as the King James Translation of 1611, were purged from the work, with a further reduction by the Protestant Reformation bringing the number to 66 in the "Authorized" King James Bible.

What we now have in Bible-based religion, whether labeled as "Catholic", or Protesting Catholic, known as "Protestant", is unrecognizable form either the Hebrew religion, now known as the Jewish religion, or the church established at Jerusalem by the Apostles and disciples of Jesus. The practices of this first church are not practiced by any major religion and they are almost unknown, despite being clearly outlined in the existing New Testament. In its place are doctrines and practices first established in the first "true" Reformation of Christianity begun by Constantine.

There is much controversy over how many books the Bible should actually contain but considering the depth and scope of those few works remaining in the "accepted" Bible, we see but a fragment of incredible wisdom and history. A study of the Lost Books of the Bible is incomplete without a clear understanding that this is not a matter of simple loss, but a campaign by the Roman Catholic Church to purge books variously classified as heretical, dangerous, and corruptive. To the public they are "lost"; to the Church they are "forbidden". Although the exact number of books purged is known only to the Church, and not shared knowledge, some can be determined by the discovery of their presence in the church prior to the reformation resulting in what became known as the Roman "Universal" Church.

One of the more obvious forms of discovery comes from the surviving books themselves, which sight works not present in the existing collection. Also many do not know that the Apocryphal books were actually included in the King James translation until they were officially purged by the Archbishop of Canterbury in 1885. Other writings also connect many books to the first church. Whatever the number before the purge by the formation of Catholicism by Constantine; even one lost book is a great loss indeed.

We claim no expertise concerning the authenticity of any the lost books and leave this judgment to the reader. We do, however, strongly reject the self-proclaimed authority of any dogmatically motivated and church-controlled mortals who think themselves qualified to make such decisions. One of the most logical and realistic concepts in the Bible is the caution that one should prove all things. We believe that proving the veracity of a given thing is an individual responsibility, which must not, and should not be the duty of those who think themselves better judges.

Always Remember that: "Anytime We As A People Are Not Having Our WaySomeone Else Is Having Theirs...And It's Never To Our Advantage."

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LOL! "Saint" Augustine used to be a Manichean before he became a "Christian" around 400 C.E. He was a Manichean Gnostic (who are influenced by Zoroastrianism) and kept much of his Manichean theology and tried to tie it into Christianity.

The doctrines of: Corruption of the Physical Body, Innate Powerlessness, Eternal Salvation, Eternal Damnation, Defilement of Women, Pisticity (Faith-Onlyness) and disdain of spiritual knowledge, Classical Theism (God seperate from Self), Satan (God of Darkness), and Apocalyptism (literal Armageddon); are all philosophies borrowed from Manicheanism, Zoroastrianism, Stocism, and Neoplatonism (albeit in very bastardized form).

Sadly, this brutha was AFRICAN. Yep, you heard right. "Saint" Augustine was from Carthage, he was Afro-Phoenecian (he was Black, or at least Afro-Asiatic "Hamitic" like Berber peoples).

And sadly, the real enligthened figure who was his opponent was WHITE. Pelagius, a Christian philosopher with a very liberal theology that contradicted Augustinianism, WAS WHITE (he was a Druid Christian). Pelagius form of Christianity was eventually stomped out by the hyper-conservative Augustinian form of Christianity.

Pelagianism still survives in Scandanavian Christianity, and some schools of African and Middle Eastern Christianity.
A few years ago, I talked about St. Augustine as a part of a presentation celebrating Kwanzaa. I mentioned the African popes of the Catholic Church and St. Augustine noting that he was African, as was his mother.

I didn't know she revered and called 'Mother Something'.

A member of the audience was the head of a local agency and a 'biggie' in the lay membership if the a large Catholic congregation.

He was pissed.

When I finished he approached and wanted to know where did I get my information that St. Au-GUS-time was 'black', and certainly ther is nothing to indicate that "Mother what-her-face' was 'black'.

'Just where did you get that from?'

I told him part of it was from the Catholic Encyclopedia.

He left; very energized.


Jim Chester
Originally posted by Melesi:
Then being a Christian really is being black.

I have a deep admiration for the Desert Fathers and for Augustine. I would like to be more like them.

But, these Desert Fathers were not following the type of Christianity that you follow. If I posted to you some of their theological/spiritual/philosophical beliefs, you would call them "heretics".

Origien believed in Trinitarian/Monistic Emanationism (as opposed to Creationism), he believed in Universal Salvation (everyone eventually goes to Heaven), he believed that Christ died an Exemplary death (not a Sacrificial/Atonement death), he believed in reincarnation, he believed in the importance of good works, believed in Universal Revelation (as opposted to Particularist Revelation in the Bible only; he was very close with Platonists, Essenes, Gnostics and Buddhists) and he believed that God was masculine and feminine.

The others may have not had all of those beliefs, but they each had at least one of those beliefs.

That is original Black Christianity. Nothing like what Creflow Dollar, T.D. Jakes, Eddie Long, Shirley Caesar, and other Black preachers today preach. Black Christianity today is simply White Christianity through the lenses of African-AMERICAN culture and spoken through Black mouths.
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Empty Purnata: off I am aware of St. Augustine's African Ancestry and his wisdom/fame. off

How does this thread relate to the subject of Constantine and Eusebius...? giveup Do you allude 'to the mindset' that St. Augustine gives the Church validity?

I personally don't care how many black catholic christians were inspired by the 'lying lore of christianity'!!!
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After the final destruction of Jerusalem and Judea by the Romans in 135 AD, the Jerusalem church was taken over by non-Jews. From this destruction, Eusebius says: "In this way the city was closed to the Jewish Race and suffered the total destruction of its former inhabitants, it was colonized by an alien race, and the Roman city which subsequently arose changed its name in honor of the emperor then reigning" (S., Acharya 37-8).

The First Ecumenical Council of the Catholic Church was held in 325 on the occasion of the heresy of Arius. As early as 320 or 321 St. Alexander, Bishop of Alexandria, convoked a council at Alexandria. More than one hundred bishops from Egypt and Libya attended. The purpose of the Council was to unify the competing cults under the "Catholic" Church controlled by Constantine and Rome. The gods of the other cults were subjugated under the new god and their titles were changed to "apostles" and "saints." Constantine was sole master of the Roman Empire (Constantine The Great 274-337).

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