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Here's something that I've thought about. Is it a coincidence that the "face" of terrorism in this country is black? Even though the 9/11 terrorists were mostly Saudi, is it just a coincidence that Zacarias Moussaoui and Richard Reid (the shoe bomber) are the ones that have become the "faces" of terrorism?




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that is less than the one you are capable of living. - Mandela

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Good observaton. And let me just add, that it seems a bit conspiracy-ish that the first live person, every convicted under terrorist law, in this country is a Black man, John Muhammed. Even though the charges against this man started out as "serial killing", they were changed in midstream to link him with the events of 9/11 that had nothing to do with him, nor have they linked his reasoning in the shootings as related to the present foreign issues. Does this mean now, that all murders committed on U.S. soil will be considered acts of terrorism. Or does it depend on how many people are killed at one time? Or perhaps it depends on what kind of weapon is used or if an FBI agent is killed in the mix, or how close the event takes place to any other unrelated terrorist event. It will be very interesting to see how many more Black citizens will be convicted of terrorism in the coming years.

The president has stated that all those opposed to the U.S. government will be considered on the list of potential suspects in terrorism, yet the backwoods white boy militias (who have stated openly their distrust for and willingness to war against the government) are never mentioned, never stopped in their training activities, while a group of Black men will still be dispersed by police if they are standing on the same corner together.

It's as if the powers that be are trying very hard to instigate the race war, so they may use this as an excuse to get rid of even more Black people. Perhaps those backwoods militias are being held in reserve and even funded by the government, to wait for a day when they will come out and snipe the Black neighborhoods. Perhaps these are the snipers that are being used right now to set up more Black people as criminals. We already know that these militia men are being paid by the U.S. government to go into the metro parks and root out, and shoot on site, anyone they find growing the herb.
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yet the backwoods white boy militias (who have stated openly their distrust for and willingness to war against the government) are never mentioned, never stopped in their training activities,


I am inclined to agree that blacks are being disproportionately persecuted, but believe me, the militias of the south are monitored.

A buddy of mine actually worked undercover in one of these militias, 2 months later, every one of it's 20 or so members were in handcuffs.

It's an interesting theory you propose nevertheless.

"All answers lie in the balance."
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but I percieve the problem to be rather miniscule compared to the difficulties that face this nation today.


You have stated that Black people seem to be disproportionately targeted, as we seem to be in many negative occurrences. Surely you can see why these type of subjects would tend to make us a little nervous. We live in a country where the Black race has always been persecuted. There is absolutely no reason for us to believe that all of a sudden, men will get an attack of conscience and realize their unfair treatment of us. And so we will ever remain vigilante and guarded against a country that uses us because we are Black, misuses us because we are Black and abuses us because we are Black. And living in such a country, why would we dismiss what we suffer every day, to be concerned about what is happening to a country that cares little or nothing for us. Either way we are screwed. If we support amerikkka, in their time of need, we are doomed for more punishment and abuse now, and when the need is no longer there; and if we don't we are contributors to her demise. The only difference being, we get to say, how we will go out. I for one would rather stand afar off and watch Babylon go down in flames, than to stand in the mist of the fire, knowing I was patriotic to the last fiery abuse.
"All answers lie in the balance."


Goshtoire:

Who said this?

Please elaborate on "balance" if you know.

Prosecution of "The D.C. Sniper" under the Patriot Act got by me completely. I paid little attention to the prosecution phase of the case. Indeed. Why the Patriot Act and not prosecution as a serial killer??

PEACE

Jim Chester
I think it is really noteworthy that Eric Rudolph is "off the screen."

You are who you say you are. Your children are who you say you are.
Now you've got me thinking.

There were pictures of the "flying 19" all over the media for about 2 years. The Saudi's. These last two guys are the ones who got caught. After the initial exposure following their capture, I haven't noticed "undue" display. I haven't notice particular "stretching" to emphasize a tie to African America. It is not Africa that would be emphasized.

Maybe I missed it.

PEACE

Jim Chester

You are who you say you are. Your children are who you say you are.
You are absolutely correct. It is not an accident that there are drugs in our communities, that a huge portion of our men are in jail, and that we have access to sub-standard housing, education, food, health care etc.


There is no passion to be found playing small, in settling for a life
that is less than the one you are capable of living. - Mandela
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Originally posted by MBM:
You are absolutely correct. It is not an accident that there are drugs in our communities, that a huge portion of our men are in jail, and that we have access to sub-standard housing, education, food, health care etc.
Do you honestly believe there's some active conspiracy that has "caused" all that?

Black people have brought all of that on themselves. You can't blame White people or "The Man" for those things. It's Black people's fault. There are no secret club or handshakes going on. No group of White people are snickering as they rub their hands saying, "Everything is going according to plan!"

Just like Willie Lynch is a MYTH, "The Man" is a myth too!

Black people need to stop trying to blame their problems on any one else but themselves. Black people are their own worst enemies! Roll Eyes

(Did I miss anything? Big Grin)
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Originally posted by Nmaginate:

Black people have brought all of that on themselves.


Are black people importing the cocaine from Central America? Do we have the airplanes and infrastructure to create and smuggle the drugs here?

IMO it's not a coincidence that society is structured to subjugate some and to prop up others. Perhaps in this instance it is less conspiracy, and more that that's just the way society has been structured to serve some - at the expense of others.

Big Grin

I got your joke, but wanted to use your post as an opportunity to make the point - in anticipation of others seriously taking that position!
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There are no secret club or handshakes going on. No group of White people are snickering as they rub their hands saying, "Everything is going according to plan!"


That is where you are wrong Nmaginate. There are indeed a myriad of secret handshakes going on, along with underground occult rituals, and the training of such has begun as young as the boyscout groups and now even infants are being taught through hand and eye coordination to recognize and accept symbols that will be instrumental in their life-long training. On the other hand, the poor of U.S. Black children (the only ones left in the world who do not know the practices of the occult) are being taught from infancy to recognize and accept the symbology that would train them to be slaves of the controllers in the occult. All that our people are is due to our training in this society by those who control it. Just like parents that instruct their children in whatever practices the parents are into, the Black people of amerikkka are the infants trained up by our white forefathers to live and act as we are instructed.

Most of us go on to remain under this ruling control all of our lives, dying, and never knowing how we have been manipulated and denying the truth from those who would dare undermine the brainwashing of our masters. And now that the end of the age draws near, there are many of us who have awakened to the truth; and because of this the devils must now pull out all of the stops to regain and keep control of us, by the use of artificial devices like nanochip technology and media hypnosis etc.

Even our own Black people, like those high in the entertainment fields and captains of industry and rich men, are being trained in occult practices through their college fraternities, many of their practices handed down from generation to generation as the white folks do. These Black fraternal occult practices go back as far as the days of post slavery and include many of our famous Black heroes who themselves made deals with the controlling white folks to sacrifice a certain number of their own underclass Black people, in order that they would be made rich and successful. And these practices still continue to this day.

True enough, we all come to a point in our lives where it is up to each individual to perform the necessary research to discover what is hidden underneath. But in order to do that, we must realize that there is indeed a problem and that problem has a source and the source goes back much further than any of our present lives. Once we have discovered the source, (which some of us have already) it is then our responsibility to break off the shackles of denial and search out the remedy and then proceed to inform others of our discoveries. And that is what some of us are trying to do here today.
Out-Of-Time??

Did you really read ALL of what I said? And do you really know all about this "occult" thing you are talking about or you just have an idea that it exist?

Fraternal Orders as such pre-date American history... so your point there is a little weak though I may not stray that far from the thrust of your premise.

But you obviously haven't read much of Carter G. Woodson or understand the most quoted passage from him concerning the Mis-Education Of The Negro.

All this borders on what I think are simplistic ideas that racism is based on "hate"... Something I reject as the most accurate way to depict the enterprise.

I've said it elsewhere and I think RACISM is the culmination of the Seven Deadly Sins - Pride, Covetousness, Lust, Anger, Gluttony, Envy, Sloth. I believe it can be manifested in both intentional and unintentional ways most of which don't require specifically stated reasons to target Black people.

Socially, IMO, White self-interest is at odds with Black survival let alone thriving.

I think you should read all of what someone says and/or know who you're talking to...
Anyway... I'd appreciate an more info. about the occult thing and some sources to consult.

[This message was edited by Nmaginate on December 01, 2003 at 01:11 PM.]
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Originally posted by MBM:
You are absolutely correct. It is not an accident that there are drugs in our communities, that a huge portion of our men are in jail, and that we have access to sub-standard housing, education, food, health care etc.


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There is no passion to be found playing small, in settling for a life
that is less than the one you are capable of living. - Mandela
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MBM,

While I agree with you that its not black owned airplanes or boats that bring drugs into our neighborhoods, neither are their white folks making black people ingest, snort or whatever else they do to put this poison into their bodies. Personal choice does that, not conspiracy.

While the economic conditions in our neighborhoods have been brought on by the manipulation of economic and social factors, the fact remains that there are plenty of folks in the hood who have managed to stay off the poison as a personal choice.
Mr. Chester

That quote is mine, though the idea has been around for centuries.

It is my own personal philosophy for making many important decisions. The best example is probably the choice of political ideology. Let us say we have a Left-Right grid.

Pure communism would collapse in about a decade.
Moderate communism would fail in a couple of decades.
Socialism would decay in a couple of centuries.
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Moderate Capitalism would decay in a couple of centuries.
Pure Capitalism would fail in a couple of decades.
Anarchy would fail in about a decade.

Obviously the ideal way to govern a nation lies in the balance between it all. The core values of capitalism must be kept, but it needs to be balanced with socialist policies...EQUAL Public Education, Public Highway System, Protection against Monopolies, Protection against Corporations taking away millions of American Jobs and giving them to foreign slaves, I mean workers (This is what will destroy us in about 50 years if we don't stop it.), Laws, policies, and programs enacted to allow TRULY EQUAL opportunities for all, etc...

You can also apply it to science vs religion.

Or light vs dark, good and evil.

Those are the three biggies that I choose to use the balance philosophy in my life.

I hope that answers your question.

"All answers lie in the balance."
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Originally posted by MBM:
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Originally posted by Nmaginate:

Black people have brought all of that on themselves.


Are black people importing the cocaine from Central America? Do we have the airplanes and infrastructure to create and smuggle the drugs here?

IMO it's not a coincidence that society is structured to subjugate some and to prop up others. Perhaps in this instance it is less conspiracy, and more that that's just the way society has been structured to serve some - at the expense of others.

Big Grin

I got your joke, but wanted to use your post as an opportunity to make the point - in anticipation of others seriously taking that position!


MBM, obviously you have been listening to Malcolm X on this topic. I feel as if this is something that black people have been consistently warned about and this is why Malcolm X was really killed. I also believe that his ties to various revolutionaries around the world and his plans to have black soldiers from Vietnam train freedom fighter armies in Africa was another motivation to have him knocked off. Were you aware that up to 75% of the Special Forces troops early in Vietnam were black? He definitely had the know how and black frustration to be able to pull this off.

Our people have made the mistake of confusing the methods with the objectives. As long as we agree on objectives, we should never fall out with each other just because we believe in different methods, or tactics, or strategy. We have to keep in mind at all times that we are not fighting for separation. We are fighting for recognition as free humans in this society
Malcolm X, 1965
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MBM, obviously you have been listening to Malcolm X on this topic. I feel as if this is something that black people have been consistently warned about and this is why Malcolm X was really killed. I also believe that his ties to various revolutionaries around the world and his plans to have black soldiers from Vietnam train freedom fighter armies in Africa was another motivation to have him knocked off. Were you aware that up to 75% of the Special Forces troops early in Vietnam were black? He definitely had the know how and black frustration to be able to pull this off.

The interesting thing is that there are a lot of Special Forces units that are mostly all White now.
    The author of Black Hawk Down is aware of the problem with these "elite, superior, special forces": they are all white. But he doesn't deal with what that elite whiteness means, or where it leads. The American elite forces couldn't perform their central role in Somalia – to protect the oil business – because they were white racists, untrained and unable to relate to a humanitarian mission in Africa, even when corporate money was involved. The House Armed Services Committee laid the problem on the line the following year, 1994, in a comprehensive report on the state of racial affairs within the US military – An Assessment of Racial Discrimination in the Military: a Global Perspective, 30 December 1994, US Government Printing Office.

    The committee sent investigators to 19 military bases at home and abroad, where they interviewed 2,000 randomly selected GIs. They found that overt racism was "commonplace" at four of the bases, and that inadequate training in racial awareness was a widespread problem.

    Another task force, which investigated organised racism in the US Army, said the problem was particularly serious in all-white, so-called "elite" and "Special Operations" units. Such racial separatism could lead to problems, its report warned, because it "foster[s] supremacist attitudes among white combat soldiers". (The Secretary of the Army's Task Force Report on Extremist Activities, Defending American Values, 21 March 1996, Washington DC, page 15.)
    Black Hawk Down: Shoot first, don't ask questions afterwards

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