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RE:  "Time to Remove Race From Gun Debate"

 

sunnubian and/or anyone else of anti NRA/Gun lobbyist expression

 

I support the NRA and unlike you I have no beef with the NRA and the Gun Lobbyists.  As a matter of fact, I'm on the side of the NRA, the gun lobbyists, and/or the gun owners.  I'm not against any U.S. citizen or legal immigrant, owning an assault weapon or any other weapon. 

 

http://www.creators.com/opinio...s-black-victims.html

 

Again, a firearm, a military weapon, any weapon is not the problem.  The problem lies with the irrational/unstable individual or any individuals who pull the trigger, arm the weapon, etc.   The NRA and the gun lobbyists are not my enemies. 

 

http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-958106

 

My enemies, my beef is with agents and officials of government who have contempt for the Constitution, the "oath of office"  and the rule of law no matter who they are.   If the 2nd amendment has to be used to keep government in check, then so be it.  Since criminal and subversive individuals will always find a way to acquire any weapon no matter how many gun prohibition laws are passed,  no matter how politically strong the NRA or any gun lobbyist can be, then it is senseless to leave any American citizen at the mercy of government bureaucrats or leave any U.S. citizen in a vulnerable position.  

 

Police officers, agents and officials of government will not be there to protect your life or family members,  when your life, other family members, other law abiding community members and/or personal or real property are threatened by any criminal or subversive individual who possesses any type of firearm, and this is especially the case in the "inner-city".   No debate necessary. 

 

Last but not least, more so than any other ethnic group, the Black community has issues with having respect for life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness of its' community residents. 

 

http://www.wnd.com/2013/01/chi...hanistan-death-toll/

 

Caucasians, Hispanics, Koreans, etc., etc., are not senselessly killing their own people on the scale that commonly (Black on Black Crime) takes place on the streets of Chicago, Illinois, Detroit, MI, former predominately Black Compton, CA, South Los Angeles, Newark, NJ, Oakland, CA, etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc. ,etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc.  

  

http://www.lincoln.ne.gov/city/police/cbp.htm

 

No amount of police intervention or community based policing will stop this senseless Black on Black killing in any predominately Black community, because more times than not, policing authorities show up a "Day Late and a Dollar Short...when you need the police you can't find them, and when you don't need them, in a typical Black vs Police/Court System experience, you may be unjustly harassed, fined, and/or jailed without cause" and more so than the police, the community at risk, namely U.S. born Black men, women, and his or her siblings, must step up to plate to improve the quality of life to protect and defend the Black community against all enemies, foreign and domestic. 

 

http://cnsnews.com/blog/walter...lack-people-tolerate   

 

The Black community must clean up its' own backyard, or the U.S. born descendant of slavery segment of the Black community will perish for failing to have respect for its' own U.S. born Black residents.

 

https://www.africanamerica.org/...unctional-leadership

 
Originally Posted by sunnubian:

The NRA and gun lobby control the gun laws.  Period.  And NOTHING meaningful in the way of controlling gun violence is, can or will happen .... as long as that is true.  Period.

 

ANY talk of "gun reform/control" has to begin with the serious contemplation of breaking the NRA's hold on our government and the elected officials whose re-election campaigns prominently depend on NRA campaign contribution support!!   

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This is what the debate should be about. 

 

When Americans take our gun laws out of the hands of the Gun Lobby, then America's gun laws will be what they should be, without infringing on the Constitutional Rights of any American Citizen that is qualified and sane to own a gun.

 

Last edited by TheRealDeal

There is nothing wrong with there being an NRA, however, there is something gravely wrong with the NRA or any other organization being able to buy laws, the bride our politicians into voting in or voting out laws, rules and regulations; it is also illegal and unconstitutional for any organization to be able to do so, or for any politician to enact laws or to rescend laws, rules and regulations based on the undue influence of deep pockets like the NRA. 

 

Personally, I believe that it is an American citizen's "right to bear arms", as long and that citizen is not mentally disturbed, is of legal age to do so, and is not covertly building an arsenal to be used against the United States or any of its citizens. 

 

The biggest problem with gun laws are the loopholes in the laws that allow so many guns to get into the wrong hands, like violent criminals, gang members, mentally disturbed individuals and those with vandettas against the United States.  Loopholes in our gun laws allow it to be legal for unregistered "private" sells of guns, and for unregistered guns to be sold to "collectors";  in fact you or I could go to a gun show, purchase a trunk-load of guns and then promptly proceed to the streets to sell these guns to whomever we please, thus the countless numbers of guns winding up in the hands of young immature youth, criminals and mentally disturbed individuals (and those convicted of domestic violence. 

 

Guns are like alchohol, they give people a false sense of confidence and they also cause people to do deadly things that they would not do without a gun in their hands. 

 

Even the NRA should be fighting to keep guns out of the hands of people that should not have them, but if the NRA's only focus is money, and pushing agendas for those in the business of making money from the manufacturing and sell of guns, why would they?

 

So, that's the problem with the NRA, not that there is an NRA or that Americans are members of the organization, or the fact that NRA members believe in Americans' right to bear arms, it's the NRA's deep pockets being able to make American laws regarding gun ownership and gun sells, their undue influence over politicians and their blatant disregard for all of the American citizens that die each and every day at the hands of killers that never should have been able to get their hands on a gun in the first place, not legally, anyway, nor by way of loopholes in our gun laws that allow murderers, gangbangers, spouse-beaters&killers, and mentally disturbed individuals to have easy access to possession of guns.

 

 

"This Negro here out-whites the white man...DAMN. He's the descendant of the slave who used to run around asking "Boss, is we sick?" So tragic."

 

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It is tragic, that in the year 2013 we still have living, breathing evidence of the psychological damage done to Black people in America over the past 250 years in the form of Black people like this that are filled with so much self-hate that they are willing to sell-out their own mother for a pat on the head from White people.  It is tragic that there still exists Black people in America (or throughout the Diaspora) that are so damaged by White racism and Western Imperialism that they exhibit the "abused child syndrome" that manifests in the mental perceptual disorder of growing up to be an abuser themselves, a virtual Stockholm Syndrome of psychosis.  It is also tragic, that with all that Black people have been through, for so long in this country (and throughout the Disapora), that there are Black people out there willing to inflict further harm by they themselves being the ones to throw the Black race, African Americans, Black people, under the bus for the almighty dollar bill. 

Originally Posted by sunnubian:
It is tragic, that in the year 2013 we still have living, breathing evidence of the psychological damage done to Black people in America over the past 250 years in the form of Black people like this that are filled with so much self-hate that they are willing to sell-out their own mother for a pat on the head from White people.

Does being Christians qualify as psychological damage?

 

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Originally Posted by Xumbrarchist:
Originally Posted by sunnubian:
It is tragic, that in the year 2013 we still have living, breathing evidence of the psychological damage done to Black people in America over the past 250 years in the form of Black people like this that are filled with so much self-hate that they are willing to sell-out their own mother for a pat on the head from White people.

Does being Christians qualify as psychological damage?

 

Xum

 

I would think that that could be a yes. 

https://www.africanamerica.org/...unctional-leadership

 

"........So, that's the problem with the NRA, not that there is an NRA or that Americans are members of the organization, or the fact that NRA members believe in Americans' right to bear arms, it's the NRA's deep pockets being able to make American laws regarding gun ownership and gun sells, their undue influence over politicians and their blatant disregard for all of the American citizens that die each and every day at the hands of killers that never should have been able to get their hands on a gun in the first place, not legally, anyway, nor by way of loopholes in our gun laws that allow murderers, gangbangers, spouse-beaters&killers, and mentally disturbed individuals to have easy access to possession of guns."

 

http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-800575

 

NRA does not have blatant disregard for the rights of U.S. citizens.  

 

http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-958106

 

The NRA could fold tomorrow and if so,  this would not address or curtail Black on Black crime that truly exists in the Black community, the dismal State of the Black community, its'  inept and dysfunctional leadership, etc., etc. 

 

http://www.wnd.com/2013/01/chi...hanistan-death-toll/

 

http://www.mdcbowen.org/cobb/archives/004918.html

 

http://www.pbs.org/independent...sandbloods/film.html

 

Although Caucasians, and other ethnic groups other than U.S. born blacks purchase "rap music too" their respective ethnic communities are not being destroyed, their men and women are not being maimed, killed, and committing felonious criminal acts that stem from Caucasian  youth or adults buying and listening to "inner-city gangsta rap/hip hop music".    The environment that Caucasian youth deal with daily is not the same as any inner-city environment where ""inner-city gangsta rap/hip hop music"" originated.

 

Caucasians, Hispanics, Koreans, etc., etc., are not senselessly killing their own people on the scale that commonly (Black on Black Crime) takes place on the streets of Chicago, Illinois, Detroit, MI, former predominately Black Compton, CA, South Los Angeles, Newark, NJ, Oakland, CA, etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc. ,etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc.  

 

RE: YouTube: "Black People Were Never Citizens Of Amerikkka" - Dr. Umar Johnson

Selected comment:

 

"The Constitution was written by SLAVEHOLDERS.  Africans weren't on their minds when it was written.  All my days on this planet, I have never been referred to as an American.  I hear MINORITY (lesser than) all the time, and behind closed doors, I imagine it gets worse than that.  When the African goes wrong, it's not the AFRICAN who handles the situation, It's the CAUCASIAN.  Had we all been born in Japan or China, would we be calling ourselves African-Japanese or African-Chinese?  If we did, how dumb would we be and how dumb would we appear??  Just asking!! by Norland

 

More likely, the Black community has contempt for its own Constitutional protections, general welfare, etc., etc., because more so than any other ethnic group, the Black community is in fact the most self-destructive community in the U.S.,   much of which is also supported by the Democratic Party, through its' inept elected Black leaders, and/or a dysfunctional Black middleclass.

 

 "It is tragic, that in the year 2013 we still have living, breathing evidence of the psychological damage done to Black people in America over the past 250 years in the form of Black people like this that are filled with so much self-hate that they are willing to sell-out their own mother for a pat on the head from White people.  It is tragic that there still exists Black people in America (or throughout the Diaspora) that are so damaged by White racism and Western Imperialism that they exhibit the "abused child syndrome" that manifests in the mental perceptual disorder of growing up to be an abuser themselves, a virtual Stockholm Syndrome of psychosis.  It is also tragic, that with all that Black people have been through, for so long in this country (and throughout the Disapora), that there are Black people out there willing to inflict further harm by they themselves being the ones to throw the Black race, African Americans, Black people, under the bus for the almighty dollar bill. "

 

http://cnsnews.com/blog/walter...lack-people-tolerate   

 

Speaking of self hate.........and Jesse Peterson is not the cause of this activity, which is far more deadly, and truly self hate.   U.S. born Black men, women, and/or his or her siblings are not being senselessly maimed or killed, and/or the Black community is not facing extinction as a result of any connection to Reverend Jesse Peterson. 

 

When dysfunctional Black lawyers advise innocent Black men and women to "plead no contest" based upon his or her own legal incompetence, this is also a form of self hatred of the worst form, namely treason.

 

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Selected comment:

 

"The problem with MASS-INCARCERATION is not the USA JUST_US system…

The problem is with Black people; as the old saying goes, ignorance of the law is no excuse…

When you nine (9) out of ten (10) Blacks taking plea deals, and pleading guilty because of their ignorance, then there is nothing you can do about that…

You go to any city in America, and Black folks will tell you, you better take that deal, these white folks don’t play here…and this is all too common among Blacks…

1) Never give up your right to “REMAIN SILENT”…

2) Never give up your right to a “SPEEDY TRIAL”…

These are the most common rights we give up as a whole…I have been charged with every crime under the SUN, just for being Black…held in jail with a high bond for months waiting to go to trial…put in cells with thugs, and had to fight daily, because the people think that I will plea guilty to their erroneous charges…

NEVER, to strong for that, my mind is not week…

You have Black court appointed attorneys convincing their clients to plea guilty, instead of the attorney doing their job to investigate a case; I guess it is a lot easier to get  $30,000.00 to convince your own race to plea guilty, then to have to work for the money and help convince a jury they are not guilty…

There is nothing your “NOT  the Black people’s President” can do for you…it is like education, it must start in the home…but for some reason, families are first one’s to convince you to take the deal" -PB Short.  

 

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=50143485n http://www.cbsnews.com/2102-18560_162-57575891.html

 

 60 Minutes, Sunday, March 24, 2013, “Blindsided: The exoneration of Brian Banks”. The woman, Wanetta Gibson, who made the false claim of rape against Brian Banks is black. “As his day in court approached, Brian says that his lawyer feared that he wouldn’t get a fair trial, based on his age, size & race. So she, an African-American herself, convinced Brian to plead no contest to a crime he insisted he didn’t commit.”. -Attorney Elizabeth Harris and/or other treasonous Black lawyers like her should be disbarred  from practicing law in every jurisdiction in the U.S .

 

Furthermore, unlike Brian Banks and other Black men and women, who are innocent, but who allow themselves to be talked into pleading "no contest" which is equivalent to "pleading guilty", no matter how many threats of jail time, prison incarceration, or bad advice are sent my direction by unethical city prosecutors,  any incompetent spineless attorney, etc., etc. 

 

http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-964545

 

http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-953247

 

http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-182700

 

http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-949295

 

http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-921922

 

PB Short is also on target, and he definitely has more common sense, practical knowledge and backbone than a Barack Obama, multiple members of the CBC, numerous Black lawyers, and/or a sell out and misguided university educated blatantly dysfunctional Black middleclass, who promote this scum........

 

http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-879577

 

http://articles.latimes.com/20...prosecutors-20110330

 

 “Supreme Court rejects damages for innocent man who spent 14 years on death row” In a 5-4 ruling, justices overturn a jury verdict awarding $14 million to John Thompson, who had sued then-New Orleans Dist. Atty. Harry Connick Sr. because prosecutors hid a blood test that would have proved his innocence in a murder case.” By David G. Savage, Washington Bureau, March 30, 2011, Los Angeles Times

 

http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-932268

 

http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-849587

 

...............and none of this is the fault of the NRA, gun lobbyists, the Republican Party, White racism and Western Imperialism, former President George Bush or the Bush Administration...or any other lame excuse  that blames everyone else or anyone else but the Black community itself .

Last edited by TheRealDeal

https://www.africanamerica.org/...unctional-leadership

 

I'm willing to bet, that this reality is neither spam nor false as this applies to anyone on the receiving endmeaning the many victims from within the Black community who have been betrayed by especially the sleaze, greed, and treason of far too many individuals from within the Black community itself,  a dysfunctional university educated class being inclusive.

 

http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-858150

 

http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-155736

 

http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-893985

 

http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-825822

 

 (The perjured testimony of Julius Butler, a long standing and prominent member of First AME Church, resulted in the unwarranted and unlawful prison incarceration and damage to the stellar reputation of Geronimo Pratt, an honorably discharged purple heart Veteran of the Vietnam War.)

 

http://www.famechurch.org/

 

http://famechurch.org/leadership.html

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tx06qb9rKgk

 

YouTube:  "My Problem with the Black Church" Uploaded by SpadeProject on Mar 23, 2008

 

http://s3.documentcloud.org/do...st-former-pastor.pdf

 

Seriously and more likely the Black community is sending itself to the gallows, and evidently this truth cannot be rebutted by and must really be a low priority issue with far too many of the Black Nationalists/fake and deceitful Black middleclass, and/or other individuals who place blame for the demise of the Black community on anyone else but the Black community itself.

  
Originally Posted by Muhammad Cipher:

Seriously,

 

 

 

These  AstroTurf post are clearly crossing over into spam territory.

 

Originally Posted by EbonyRose:
Originally Posted by Xumbrarchist:
Originally Posted by sunnubian:
It is tragic, that in the year 2013 we still have living, breathing evidence of the psychological damage done to Black people in America over the past 250 years in the form of Black people like this that are filled with so much self-hate that they are willing to sell-out their own mother for a pat on the head from White people.

Does being Christians qualify as psychological damage?

 

Xum

 

I would think that that could be a yes. 

I'm going to have to say yes and further elaborate that ANY religion that has been presented to us for the sole purpose of colonizing us, taking advantage of us and keeping us deaf, dumb and blind to injustice and that we all to support other groups, but not our own is psychologically damaging. In my view, there's three o them. but that's just my view.

https://www.africanamerica.org/...unctional-leadership

 

https://www.africanamerica.org/...ing-hospital-scandal

 

http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-964897

 

I'm willing to bet, that this reality is neither spam nor false as this applies to anyone on the receiving endmeaning the many victims from within the Black community who have been betrayed by especially the sleaze, greed, and treason of far too many individuals from within the Black community itself,  a dysfunctional university educated class being inclusive.

 

http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-858150

 

http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-155736

 

http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-893985

 

http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-825822

 

 (The perjured testimony of Julius Butler, a long standing and prominent member of First AME Church, resulted in the unwarranted and unlawful prison incarceration and damage to the stellar reputation of Geronimo Pratt, an honorably discharged purple heart Veteran of the Vietnam War.)

 

http://www.famechurch.org/

 

http://famechurch.org/leadership.html

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tx06qb9rKgk

 

YouTube:  "My Problem with the Black Church" Uploaded by SpadeProject on Mar 23, 2008

 

http://s3.documentcloud.org/do...st-former-pastor.pdf

 

Seriously and more likely the Black community is sending itself to the gallows, and evidently this truth cannot be rebutted by and must really be a low priority issue with far too many of the Black Nationalists/fake and deceitful Black middleclass, and/or other individuals who place blame for the demise of the Black community on anyone else but the Black community itself.

  
Originally Posted by Muhammad Cipher:

Seriously,

 

 

 

These  AstroTurf post are clearly crossing over into spam territory.

 

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