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Originally posted by Constructive Feedback:
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Well the term conservative is vague, but conservative policies would be policies that favor smaller gov., less regulation of businesses ect.



What you call "Smaller Government" I say LOCAL GOVERNMENT.
I am amazed at how the same Kneegrows that blow a gasket over Federal spending in Iraq, Halliburton and other areas that are not in their list of priorities STILL FAVOR POLICIES THAT ADVANCE HIGH FEDERAL TAXATION.

If your priorities at not being met KEEP YOUR MONEY LOCAL and spend it as you please.

BUT IF ONLY THIS WAS THEIR AGENDA. In truth their agenda is INCOME REDISTRIBUTION. They need to have high taxes that cross state boundaries with the money flowing likewise because THEIR LOCAL DISTRICTS DO NOT GENERATE THE WEALTH THAT IS NECESSARY TO MAINTAIN THIS STANDARD OF LIVING THAT THEY CRAVE.

You see this is another FALSE DICHOTOMY THAT MANY OF YOU OPERATE ON. You spend so much time fighting on NATIONAL POLICY when you need to focus more on LOCAL ECONOMICS to achieve your goals by FUNDING THEM.


I don't agree with everything you said, but I do believe that blacks need to focus on local government more.

I say this because black people are still concentrated in certain areas. I think 3/5 black people only live in ten states.
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Originally posted by Kweli4Real:
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I don't know why you have a problem with the label "conservative." Less government programs is "conservative" or "traditional".


Let me answer that.

The Conservative label comes with a lot of baggage, just like the Liberal label. This administration has made Liberal a bad word. And, Black folk can't be called Conservative because it implies that they have turned their back on the Black community.

On either score, if it walks like a duck, has webbed feet, a bill, and quacks, it's a duck; regardless of his protestations to the contrary.


Liberal was made a bad word by Reagan first. Wink
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Originally posted by Kevin41:
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Originally posted by Sweetwuzzy:
Ever since ConstructiveFeedback has joined Africanamerica.org, the debate over the effectiveness of liberal policies in the black community has been a hot topic.

It goes without saying that 9/10 of people on this site are more liberal than conservative.

Here is my question: What policies do you agree with that are conservative.

What conservative policies do you think are to blacks benefit???



Sweetwuzzy,

Every right and political gain that black people have attained in this country has always come from the liberal side of the political spectrum as liberal policies were always inclusive and afforded rights and access to resources to groups that had been historically excluded...from voting rights to affirmative action....the black political majority resided on that end of the philosophical spectrum.......


On the flip side I cannot think of one thing gained from conservatism by blacks due to the fact that the philosophy works to maintain the status quo and retain historical imbalances created by systematic disenfranchisement via slavery and jim crow......I cannot think of one legislative gain that has come from that end of the spectrum...and I damn sure cannot name one black conservative that ever sponsored or supported legislation that was not considered adverse by the black majority.....go figure huh?



I am thinking about policies today. What policies today are you in accordance with that are conservative????
Here are my problems:

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Originally posted by Cobb:
1. Support local police.
Police exist because ordinary people can't whoop thugs. Police defend private property for you.

Except the setup of the police system isn't usually for the benefit of the little man. They are an extention of the War on the Poor.
If anything, there should be support for more oversight of police forces.

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2. Don't trust Government to solve your problems.
Government is clumsy and slow. You can't trust it to do a lot of things right, just a few things. The fewer the better.

True, but government does serve its purpose. If not for federal government, the Deep Southern States, like Louisianna and South Carolina, would be destitute. These states are usually in the red financially, but federal funds sustain them.
Further, government always seems to be characterized as ineffective when it is doing something to benefit the less fortunate in this country. Most conservatives have no problem with increasing the authority of the government for law enforcement and infringement of the rights of its citizens.
Less government=less restriction on buisness, which doesn't benefit most Americans.

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3. Business is good.
Socialism doesn't work. Communism doesn't work. Capitalism works, gets you paid and sets you free.

Yes, but most conservative policies call for unrestricted markets, which they claim will balance itself out.
Business is profit-driven. As such, business decisions will be based on what is the most cost-effective and profit-oriented, rather than what is benefical to the community and the people.
Conservative policies also call for increased privatization of industries, which is disasterous and unregulated more often than not. Ask the people of Columbia what happened when their water was privatized. Enron is only the beginning.

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4. God is real.
Morality doesn't come from political positions. It comes from religions that have evolved over the centuries.

Yes, but the conservative party also contains people that believe THEIR VERSION of God and morality are the only ones and wouldn't hesitate to pass legislation based on this.
Hence why separation of church and state is so important. There has been a steady erosion of this over the years which doens't benefit anyone.

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5. Family is central.
Don't go to work and pretend like your boss is your 'father'. That ain't family. Take care of your real family. Two parents are best.

Except conservative policies often pay lipservice to families by eroding the social programs that aid them and the decent wages to sustain them.

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6. Taxes suck.
You work hard for your money. You should keep it.

Except conservative business policies will make sure that you have less money to take home to begin with due to deregulation.
They also insure that you will pay more for life-sustaining services out-of-pocket than you ever would if there was a simple tax across the board.
Look at other successful European countries. Higher taxes than us, but they often have a month or more for vacation a year, some kind of nationwide healthcare, better public schools, and a healthier populace all using the same polices that conservatives claim would drive us into the ground.

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7. School choice is good.
You should be able to go to whatever school you want, especially if your public school is failing you.

Except conservatives often cut eduation funding along with other programs. They are often very vocal in not allowing programs that would allow the poor and minorities to attend private schools. They certainly don't support improving public schools. No Child Left Behind ringing any bells?

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8. America first.
The first American gets hurt - it's on. Don't mess with this country, or you'll pay the price.

Except when we are attacked by Osama Bin Laden. We go into Afghanistan claiming that we will apprehend him...all these years later and he's still out there.
So instead, we go into IRAQ which DIDN'T attack us, but can add mileage to that nice oil pipeline we made in Afghanistan when we invaded.
But to clarify, American policies abroad, often dictated by profit-driven industries, are detrimental the people of the world, especially those in Central and South America and Africa.
It would make more sense to stop these policies, but that isn't a very conservative thing to do either.

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There it is plain and simple. So what excuses can you come up with to pretend like these things don't make sense for blackfolks?

It's not that these things don't make sense to black folks. It's that these things are lipservice paid to us all, to the benefit of the powerful. Looks good at first glance, but in actuality, it's a con job.

My two cents,
Tannenisis
"We" and "us" don't have a dag-gone thing to do with "Eye-Rac". It's "them" that did that shock & awe.

Just read on http://www.rense.com/general68/martt.htm by Craig Roberts: "Harry Truman once said that there's not a nickel's worth of difference between "Republicans and Democrats" at the Washington level. I would put it another way: If the Democrats in Washington voted to burn the city down, the Republicans would vote to phase it in over a two week period."

I, personally, like my KIDS LIVING. Trying NOT to be JIM JONES'D by nary European nor African, whatever they call themselves. That goes for all the "mixtures" in between that go by fancy names too.
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Originally posted by Sweetwuzzy:
ConstructiveFeedback,

You are looking waytoo much into my question.

I created this thread to hear what policies liberal minded people on here agreeded with that were conservative. I was curious because most people on here lean completely towards the liberal spectrum, and I believe that most people are more multifaceted than that.

I don't know why you have a problem with the label "conservative." Less government programs is "conservative" or "traditional".


Sweety:

The problem with the question is that the word "CONSERVATIVE" is like Kryptonite to the Black Quasi-Socialist Progressive Fundementalist.

He will vote against his own MAMMA if she later told him that she was a "conservative" all of his life but simply never used that label.

Once again the word "Conservative" need not be used.

Just as I have attemtped to not use "Liberal" but instead call Black folks who act the part as "Quasi-Socialists" at the same time being that there is a broad array of "Black Conservative" thought I don't thing that this is a descriptive enough term.

I don't follow in the motivations of Ward Connerly, Armstrong Williams or many other Black Republicans. I agree with SOME of what they say but my goal is not to have Blacks become Republicans as some path toward our racial salvation.

I am more focused on CULTURE as a means of reshaping the lives of our young people and in containing certain behavior at the generational boundaries.
Part of the problem here is that people can't believe there's a such thing as a Black Conservative. It is a failure of them to understand black history.

There are, accordingly, three strands of political thought in the Post Civil Rights Era:

The Black Liberal Tradition
The black liberal presumption is that the mainstream of American society is largely rich and corrupt, and owes something of its redemption in tribute to blackfolks. It sees American iniquity and wealth as an annuity that should accrue to its downtrodden and oppressed, and focuses its political energy in both keeping this idea alive and finding every instance applicable. In this tradition, the core of black life is survival against an implacable System, of subversion and revolutionary triumph. It should come as no surprise that there are deeply held socialist credos at work. The patron saints of the black liberal tradition are Harriet Tubman and the pre-mecca Malcolm X its poets laureate Audre Lorde and Tupac Shakur. Their aim is to escape and fight. They insist that black America is too different, it's history too painful. It says to America, all you can do for me is shutup and fix me a sandwich.

The Black Progressive Tradition
The black progressive presumption is that 'there is much work to be done' to the American Mainstream to make it acceptable. Of the three traditions, it is the most pro-black and independent. To the black progressive, any idea or concept that isn't vetted by a black intellectual vanguard is suspect. It wants to design an organic vision of the future which is specifically crafted by black people for black people. It sees America as a country that has simply not been designed with blackfolks in mind, a country that requires significant reform in order to be compatible with the destiny of the African American. Their mission is to establish that reform and insure that everybody gets with the program. The patron saint of the progressives is W.E.B DuBois and its poet laureate is Carter Woodson. For the progessive, knowledge is power. They aim to be the underground hiphop, the drop squad, the boule, the nouveau Negroes, the New World Afrikans and all things cutting edge. They are creative, innovative and sophisticated. All of their ideas and terminologies change every 7 years.

The Black Conservative Tradition
To black conservatives, the American mainstream is no more and no less than it needs to be. The black conservatives say give me that old time religion, it's good enough for me. Their attitude is that America is just fine, and if you could put down your pride and figure out how to live in it, you'd be just fine too. Black conservatives say that everything blacks need for success is right in front of their faces and it focuses its political energy in trying to urge blackfolks to use tried and true methods. They say that the destiny of the African American is lockstep with the destiny of America and the existentials of blackness is more hindrance than help. Stop trying to make blackness more than the color of your skin, they say, and the importance of skin color will evaporate - the sooner the better. The patron saints of the conservatives are Booker T. Washington and Colin Powell. Its poet laureate is Thomas Sowell.

http://www.mdcbowen.org/cobb/archives/004206.html
COBB,

In truth, the prevailing Black Liberal and Black Conservative traditions are both accomodationists in nature. Both fundamentally believe in the American system.

MLK was conspiculously absent. That and something to described the so-called Civil Rights tradition that is accomodationist in a manner like Black Conservatives. While those from the more Liberal tradition my seek some reforms or actually some adjustments... They are expressly for the purpose of INCLUSION into the system, primarily AS-IS.

And, that Black Conservative tradition, as you described it, is not lost on anyone here. I can't think of one person who has responded as if they didn't understand those ideas.

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Their attitude is that America is just fine, and if you could put down your pride and figure out how to live in it, you'd be just fine too.
Ummmm.... I'm thinking that's the point of contention and the reason why:
People can't believe there's a such thing as a Black Conservative

But, hey... Maybe that resonates with you (and you're unable to recognize how that is almost verbatim what people take issue with).
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MLK was conspiculously absent. That and something to described the so-called Civil Rights tradition that is accomodationist in a manner like Black Conservatives. While those from the more Liberal tradition my seek some reforms or actually some adjustments... They are expressly for the purpose of INCLUSION into the system, primarily AS-IS.



The Kings were Republican. I thought everybody knew that.

http://www.deanesmay.com/archives/000551.html

Anyway the accomodation is what? What is it that the Progressive movement wants other than what is possible under the American system? I say their's nothing to have, because if the Progressives or Liberals for that matter had enough money, they could buy as much land as they wanted and do whatever they pleased.

Instead, they want to engage masses of African Americans into a conspiracy to change America. Except they don't run candidates, they run their mouths.
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Originally posted by Sweetwuzzy:
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Originally posted by Kevin41:
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Originally posted by Sweetwuzzy:
Ever since ConstructiveFeedback has joined Africanamerica.org, the debate over the effectiveness of liberal policies in the black community has been a hot topic.

It goes without saying that 9/10 of people on this site are more liberal than conservative.

Here is my question: What policies do you agree with that are conservative.

What conservative policies do you think are to blacks benefit???



Sweetwuzzy,

Every right and political gain that black people have attained in this country has always come from the liberal side of the political spectrum as liberal policies were always inclusive and afforded rights and access to resources to groups that had been historically excluded...from voting rights to affirmative action....the black political majority resided on that end of the philosophical spectrum.......


On the flip side I cannot think of one thing gained from conservatism by blacks due to the fact that the philosophy works to maintain the status quo and retain historical imbalances created by systematic disenfranchisement via slavery and jim crow......I cannot think of one legislative gain that has come from that end of the spectrum...and I damn sure cannot name one black conservative that ever sponsored or supported legislation that was not considered adverse by the black majority.....go figure huh?



I am thinking about policies today. What policies today are you in accordance with that are conservative????


None that I can think of........
Here is my list of Conservative Common Sense, Culturally Sensitive methods that make for a strong community:

1) Prosper the old fashioned way - Work to show thyselves approved. Fast money given to a person who does not know how to properly utilize it will soon be squandered. Work with a passion for learning. Master the way that you have been taught to perform the job and then improve the process to make it more efficient. Train the next man and then you move toward a better job.

2) Education is the gateway toward success. Disciplining your mind is the cornerstone of education. Learning with a purpose will get your though the toughest of academic challenges that is placed before your by your teacher.

3) Build Strong relationships with those you love around you.

4) Invest in your health. This is the one body that you will ever have.
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Originally posted by Cobb:
Military Service = instant middle class.
There has never been a drive-by on base.


No, it does not. The median household income is at $44,389. If someone enlists and (like in the AF, I can't speak for other branches) comes out of basic as an E-3, their salary is $1,356.20 a month or $17,474.40/year. That doesn't includes BAQ, but you don't get BAQ in the AF unless you have dependents that live with you. As an E-7 with over six years, you will make $32,815.20.

Instanteous elevation to middle class is not going to happen by enlisting in the military. Also, military service is NOT a conservative policy. My father was military, my uncle worked in the UN while in the Army and I was military -- which also gives me the knowledge that, while there are few drive-by like shootings, there are still plenty of crimes, including murder, committed on military installations by military personnel.
So what you're saying is that, as compared to a job at Walmart, the military is a bad deal? Last time I checked, you get educational benefits, full health care and discount housing.

It's not about the money, it's about the middle class culture. Are you suggesting that attitudes in the Armed Forces are generally Left Liberal?
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Originally posted by Cobb:
So what you're saying is that, as compared to a job at Walmart, the military is a bad deal? Last time I checked, you get educational benefits, full health care and discount housing.

It's not about the money, it's about the middle class culture. Are you suggesting that attitudes in the Armed Forces are generally Left Liberal?


What I meant is what I said. You will not be instantly lifted to the middle class by enlisting in the military, nor is it a CONservative policy. Many in the military are not CONservative, especially among those who are of African descent. I would not know how many are LIBERAL, however I do know that there are a plethora of anti-war groups founded by former military/veterans and many active duty who have left leaning political ideologies.

That's what I'm saying.
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Originally posted by Cobb:
Last time I checked, you get educational benefits, full health care and discount housing.


Have you ever had to rely on military healthcare? If you had, you'd know that it is NOT even close to being the best or even in the top half. It gets even worse if you were one of those millions who enlisted in the 1950's and believed the promise of healthcare for life if you retire (that was a court battle the Bush Administration fought and won). It may be better than nothing while on active duty, but it isn't anything to brag about.

There are horror stories galore about malpractice, but as a member of the armed services you are considered property, you have no recourse even when the malpractice is blatant. It's the most repeated caution when you first get in: when you're not on duty, you better not get hurt because you could, and people have been, reprimanded by LOC or Art. 15, for damaging government property.

As for housing, you don't get discount housing, you get base housing if it isn't full. The AF has adequate facilities (except for TPQ), the Army, Navy & Marines have nothing much at all. If you are forced to live off base you get BAQ.
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Have you ever had to rely on military healthcare? If you had, you'd know that it is NOT even close to being the best or even in the top half.


Isome:

Please tell me your position on Universal Healthcare seeing that you are familiar with another government healthcare service.
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Originally posted by Constructive Feedback:
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Originally posted by Sweetwuzzy:
ConstructiveFeedback,

You are looking waytoo much into my question.

I created this thread to hear what policies liberal minded people on here agreeded with that were conservative. I was curious because most people on here lean completely towards the liberal spectrum, and I believe that most people are more multifaceted than that.

I don't know why you have a problem with the label "conservative." Less government programs is "conservative" or "traditional".


Sweety:

The problem with the question is that the word "CONSERVATIVE" is like Kryptonite to the Black Quasi-Socialist Progressive Fundementalist.

He will vote against his own MAMMA if she later told him that she was a "conservative" all of his life but simply never used that label.

Once again the word "Conservative" need not be used.

Just as I have attemtped to not use "Liberal" but instead call Black folks who act the part as "Quasi-Socialists" at the same time being that there is a broad array of "Black Conservative" thought I don't thing that this is a descriptive enough term.

I don't follow in the motivations of Ward Connerly, Armstrong Williams or many other Black Republicans. I agree with SOME of what they say but my goal is not to have Blacks become Republicans as some path toward our racial salvation.

I am more focused on CULTURE as a means of reshaping the lives of our young people and in containing certain behavior at the generational boundaries.


Black people can chew gum and walk at the same time. We can focus on the culture as well as the policies that effect us.
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Have you ever had to rely on military healthcare? If you had, you'd know that it is NOT even close to being the best or even in the top half. It gets even worse if you were one of those millions who enlisted in the 1950's and believed the promise of healthcare for life if you retire (that was a court battle the Bush Administration fought and won). It may be better than nothing while on active duty, but it isn't anything to brag about.



When I said 'AF' I meant Armed Forces, as in all of them, not particularly the Air Force.

According to what I read, 30% of the Armed Forces are African American. That's more than double over-representation. I say the reason they pick it is because it's a secure middle class job.

I've worked for minimum wage and been in the Teamsters, and I'll tell you that there was no way for anybody 19 years old to be making 36k with just 6 years of seniority. Leastaways not in my local. And benefits? None. Not for two years. And if the union went on strike, strike pay was $15 a week. Granted that was a long time ago, but I know all about low wage - low benefit employment.

Yes the Army owns your soul, but there is a military code of conduct, which is a lot better than you get if you're working in a carpet mill or driving a taxi or working as a short order cook. The military is a career for people willing to take it seriously. There are objective standards for raises and promotions, things for which you have no guarantee in the blue collar world. There is a strict chain of command and (I presume) you don't have people who can sleep or bribe their way into supervisory positions. You can't be fired for no reason and your job can't suddenly disappear without notice.

So from somebody who has had all kinds of crap jobs, the Armed Forces sounds pretty middle class to me.

On the other hand, I'm sure I have a broader definition of middle class than most folks. Middle class means you can buy clothes for each season.
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Black people can chew gum and walk at the same time. We can focus on the culture as well as the policies that effect us.


Sweetwuzzy:

Do YOU believe that the POLICIES that had the large public housing projects created around the country's inner city communities had an impact on the CULTURE that was later generated from the people who lived there as communities that had a high density of poor people were created?

Even on the "Everybody Hates Chris" episode that was shown last Thursday he made note of the fact that there were only 4 BLACK FATHERS living on his entire block with their families. Is this "policy" or "culture"?
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Originally posted by Constructive Feedback:
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Black people can chew gum and walk at the same time. We can focus on the culture as well as the policies that effect us.


Sweetwuzzy:

Do YOU believe that the POLICIES that had the large public housing projects created around the country's inner city communities had an impact on the CULTURE that was later generated from the people who lived there as communities that had a high density of poor people were created?

Even on the "Everybody Hates Chris" episode that was shown last Thursday he made note of the fact that there were only 4 BLACK FATHERS living on his entire block with their families. Is this "policy" or "culture"?


So you think we should only focus on culture??? That does not make any sense.
Culture changes faster than policy, and blacks don't have the clout to change policy even at the slow rate policy changes.

The Joint Center is the only effective black thinktank, and since they're Left and Democrat, they haven't done anything in 8 years. But even through Clinton they were ignored by the DLC. That's why all the Democrats and Left black thinkers haven't had anything new to say since Jimmy Carter. That's the last time policy went your way.

Meanwhile a whole new generation of students, actually three generations of students have graduated from college in careers that didn't even exist in the Carter years.

So blab all you like about policy. It's not going to change anything soon. That's why the left is still saying the same thing they were when McWhorter was in grammar school.
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Originally posted by Cobb:
Culture changes faster than policy, and blacks don't have the clout to change policy even at the slow rate policy changes.

The Joint Center is the only effective black thinktank, and since they're Left and Democrat, they haven't done anything in 8 years. But even through Clinton they were ignored by the DLC. That's why all the Democrats and Left black thinkers haven't had anything new to say since Jimmy Carter. That's the last time policy went your way.

Meanwhile a whole new generation of students, actually three generations of students have graduated from college in careers that didn't even exist in the Carter years.

So blab all you like about policy. It's not going to change anything soon. That's why the left is still saying the same thing they were when McWhorter was in grammar school.


Like I have said already, we can focus on both the culture and the policy, why must it be either or.
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Originally posted by Cobb:
The Joint Center is the only effective black thinktank, and since they're Left and Democrat, they haven't done anything in 8 years.


Are you sure?

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Originally posted by Cobb:
But even through Clinton they were ignored by the DLC. That's why all the Democrats and Left black thinkers haven't had anything new to say since Jimmy Carter.


The DLC is the republican arm of the Democratic party, they ignore everyone that isn't white and in their economic strata.

What have conservatives said or done that's new? Railing against public education began in the 50's after Brown v. Board of Education. Finding an anti-American (then a communist, now a socialist or terrorist) behind every dissenting voice has been done since McCarthy. Blaming Africans in America for all the social ills in their community and everyone else's has been done since before our ancestors' shackles were removed, and even then it was also done by other Africans. Financially supporting corporations to the detriment of the working man has been a Republican issue since the Gilded Age. Classism is not new either, the GOP is big on that, it keeps the rabble from knowing with whom their common interests lie. Bemoaning the implementation of social security is an oldie, too. Racist immigration policies and verbage that dehumanizes the immigrant have been around since Ellis Island. Imperialistic foreign policy is a staple -- Woodrow Wilson and his fear that Haiti's fight for independence would infect the darkies at home, and his administration's disdain for "niggers speaking French!"

What's so new about anything the GOP and it's minions in black face are advocating?
It might surprise you to know that the majority of African Americans support educational vouchers. The GOP isn't against public education, they are for reform of public education. There's plenty to be done. Except for vouchers, it's a bipartisan issue.

I personally happen to think Moynihan was right. More black people were married in my grandfather's time than now. That's a problem that blackfolks have and cannot blame government. I don't believe, like many Republicans, that the Welfare State alone disabled the black family. I happen to think it was a combination of factors including, eugenic ideas, radical feminism (contra womanism), the Counter Culture of the 60 and changes in the economy. I also believe that, independent of these national forces, Negro hangups are part of the problem that an adequate dose of blackness can cure.

There are corporations and there are corporations. If you want to talk about those corporations with unionized labor, I won't bother to disagree with you. Those are based on an antiquated model of management that newer corporations have proven more successful with. I know it wasn't you that exemplified Bill Gates as a great businessman who isn't Republican, but you'll notice that Microsoft has no organized labor.

I will say that socialist reform of capitalism is also a done deal in America, and the MBAs are taking it to the next phase. There is nowhere for Marxist reform to go. Everybody has the idea of the 40 hour workweek, benefits and minimum wages. There are no NEW ideas. Lefties want more of the same, but it breaks the model and nobody can accomodate that. It requires a new paradigm of management and labor cooperation that hardline lefties simply don't recognize or understand. They can learn a great deal from the software industry.

Class warfare is good. Especially in a nation with a great deal of class mobility, and the warfare is non-violent. That's what we have.

Social Security is a blip.

Immigrants still want to come, and they still get in. All the racists in America haven't stopped it. And guess what, Mexicans are in New Orleans just waiting for jobs.

Woodrow Wilson was an ass domestically, but a genius internationally. I'm a neocon and I stand with other Wilsonians vis a vis the global economy.

Haiti is its own worst enemy.

What's new about the GOP is what's in the news today. Have you heard that nominee Miers supported Affirmative Action in Texas? Did you know about Michael Steele in Maryland?
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Originally posted by Cobb:
It might surprise you to know that the majority of African Americans support educational vouchers.


No, they don't. The majority of us support education, but not disinvestment in public schools through vouchers.

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The GOP isn't against public education, they are for reform of public education.


No, they're trying to end publicly-funded education, as with everything else they want to privatize it. There's no interest in reforming it at all.

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I personally happen to think Moynihan was right. More black people were married in my grandfather's time than now.


Yes, more Black and white folks were married in your grandfather's time than now.

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Class warfare is good. Especially in a nation with a great deal of class mobility, and the warfare is non-violent. That's what we have.


Fluidity of class in America is a myth. It's been examined/studied/analyzed and disproven. There is more fluidity in other countries than here. Contrary to neo-con delusions, America isn't the best at everything.

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Woodrow Wilson was an ass domestically, but a genius internationally. I'm a neocon and I stand with other Wilsonians vis a vis the global economy.


Adopting the imperialist tendencies of white folks in no way empowers Black people. It goes against the grain of those of us with a soul.

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Haiti is its own worst enemy.


Very true. When they stop trusting the U.S. they'll be much better off.

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What's new about the GOP is what's in the news today.


That's not new, that's regurgitation of the same issues I listed. Same chit, different day.

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Have you heard that nominee Miers supported Affirmative Action in Texas?


I also heard she referred to that cocaine addict as the most brilliant man she ever met. *yikes*

Her law license was suspended for a short time this year in the District of Columbia because of nonpayment of bar association dues and it was previously suspended from the Texas bar for late payment in 1989.
    Still Attorney General Alberto "the Geneva Conventions is a quaint notion" Gonzales said:

    ...Miers will do well because she is ˜very detail oriented' and ˜very meticulous.'

    Assistant Secretary of State Kristen Silverberg said:

    She's very meticulous...It's always about making sure that everything is perfect...


...well, maybe not so much!
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Originally posted by Constructive Feedback:
Here is my list of Conservative Common Sense, Culturally Sensitive methods that make for a strong community:

1) Prosper the old fashioned way - Work to show thyselves approved. Fast money given to a person who does not know how to properly utilize it will soon be squandered. Work with a passion for learning. Master the way that you have been taught to perform the job and then improve the process to make it more efficient. Train the next man and then you move toward a better job.

2) Education is the gateway toward success. Disciplining your mind is the cornerstone of education. Learning with a purpose will get your though the toughest of academic challenges that is placed before your by your teacher.

3) Build Strong relationships with those you love around you.

4) Invest in your health. This is the one body that you will ever have.


Okay, now what proof do you have that tells you liberals don't live by the common sense you listed??

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