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I wouldn't vote for Condi on either REP or DEM ticket. Condi has new Security/Diplomatic post. This is her task. Can she break her "mold" and deliver high performance elsewhere in the cabinet? She is HIGHLY qualified in what she does, as evidenced by her PhD. The Presidency is an entirely different ORGANISM.

I just can't see Condi representing the people adequately on issues such as Health Care, and Education, and Social Security WHETHER democratic or republican. Unfortunately, what we have here is a great "PERSON" but she simply isn't multi-faceted enough.

AGAIN, we blacks have to remember, when the First Black Presidential Candidate appears, that person will win the appeal of blacks AND whites because that individual will have depth, and multiple layers of appeal. Condi is not who I would endorse, whether Republican or Democratic.

The First Black President of the United States will need to convince ALL people heshe is representing that his/her "Blackness" has nothing to do with why "Black" people should vote for him/her. There is no such thing as a Free Lunch.
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Originally posted by blackblogger:
I wouldn't vote for Condi on either REP or DEM ticket.

For the record, neither would I. I wouldn't vote for her is she paid me to do it.

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She is HIGHLY qualified in what she does, as evidenced by her PhD.

This is highly debatable. Her Ph.D. qualifies her to be the Secretary of State? Shit, Honest Brother has a Ph.D. I'd rather see him as Secretary of State than the Brainless Bush Puppet we have now. In fact, I'd rather see him as President than put up with one more day of Bush's bullshit!

Honest Brother for President! scream

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Unfortunately, what we have here is a great "PERSON" but she simply isn't multi-faceted enough.

At what point did Bush become multi-faceted? Did I miss a memo? And who says Condi is a "great person"? Do you know something about her that I don't? What has she done that makes her so great?

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AGAIN, we blacks have to remember, when the First Black Presidential Candidate appears, that person will win the appeal of blacks AND whites because that individual will have depth, and multiple layers of appeal.

It would also be good if the candidate was at least a little trustworthy. That would be a huge improvement. bsm
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Originally posted by Black Viking:
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She is HIGHLY qualified in what she does, as evidenced by her PhD.

This is highly debatable. Her Ph.D. qualifies her to be the Secretary of State? Shit, Honest Brother has a Ph.D. I'd rather see him as Secretary of State than the Brainless Bush Puppet we have now. In fact, I'd rather see him as President than put up with one more day of Bush's bullshit!

Honest Brother for President! scream


Thanks for the vote of confidence Big Grin

My fellow Americans....

In all seriousness, a Ph.D. might say you're smart.... but it doesn't qualify you for anything except teaching, researching, and being an authority on the subject in which you received the Ph.D.

People also say that G.W. Bush can't be that dumb since he has a Yale degree... But I have an ivy league degree too (Princeton) and know first hand that there are dumb asses in those schools like in any other - rich dumb asses... but still dumb...

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Originally posted by Black Viking:
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Unfortunately, what we have here is a great "PERSON" but she simply isn't multi-faceted enough.

At what point did Bush become multi-faceted? Did I miss a memo? And who says Condi is a "great person"? Do you know something about her that I don't? What has she done that makes her so great?



I LOVE the following quote from "The Covenant with Black America":

You can't lead our people if you don't love our people. You can't save our people if you won't serve our people. - Cornel West

The only people Condoleeza Rice has shown any evidence of loving and serving are the Republican Party - the Bush family in particular ... truth be told, that was the REAL qualification that landed her the job as Secretary of State: she's an unquestioning Bush loyalist - much moreso than Colin Powell who committed the sin of occasionally disagreeing with King W.
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IMO

A Rice candidacy/presidency would be disastrous for black political interests

If she continues G.W.'s policies - and there is little reason to doubt she will - she'll be disastrous for the country...but the mere fact of her race will confuse (and split) the black vote.

If you want to know who NOT to support:

Look at who the establishment IS supporting and positively fantasizing about now:

1. Condoleeza Rice
2. Hillary Clinton

(both of whom have MUCH more support among blacks than they deserve)

3. Barack Obama

Yes... I know this last one is a heresy. But his voting record since getting into the Senate hasn't been impressive. He shows all the classic signs of sell out so far. Look at this view (admittedly from the left):

Congressional Black Caucus Report Card
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It seems to me that most of us have an extra incentive to dislike her because of our expectations of her behavior because she is one of us.


I think anyone who acts solely out of self-interest and counter to their broader group's interests and objectives is ripe for criticism from that group.
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Would you feel less turned off by Condi if she wasn't a Black Republican, but just a White Republican female?



I dislike George W. Bush and his policies (with a passion). And so I wouldn't care for anyone (male, female, black, white, yellow, or purple) so closely connected to him as Rice is and who would probably carry on his legacy.

The fact that she's black just puts a little extra sting on it.
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The comment towards the end of this article, is relatively disengenuous, as it minimizes the historical significance of 'the trades' industrial side;and while slavery had ended, it is obvious who was working the cotton fields. (isolated comment near the end.)
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Rice's Beatle break from diplomacy
U.S. secretary of state in Liverpool, will meet British counterpart
From Elise Labott
CNN
Thursday, March 30, 2006; Posted: 8:19 p.m. EST (01:19 GMT)

LIVERPOOL, England (CNN) -- Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice is breaking from diplomatic troubleshooting during a visit this week to the home of both the Beatles and her British counterpart, Foreign Secretary Jack Straw.
Rice arrived Thursday at Liverpool's John Lennon Airport for a three-day stay that will take her to Straw's hometown of Blackburn.
About 20 percent of Blackburn's population is Muslim, and Rice had been invited to visit a mosque in the city. That invitation was withdrawn, however, amid reports that widespread protests about U.S. policy toward Muslims and the war in Iraq were planned. She will, however, meet with the area's Muslim leaders.
Rice came to England from Berlin, where she met with ministers representing the permanent members of the U.N. Security Council -- the United States, Britain, France, Russia and China, for talks on the next steps to tighten the diplomatic noose around Iran following Wednesday's passage by the Security Council of a presidential statement. (Full story)
She also made a brief stop in Paris to meet with French President Jacques Chirac.
Her visit to Liverpool and Blackburn has been billed as an opportunity for Rice and Straw to demonstrate how U.S. foreign policy directly affects British citizens.
It follows a visit by Straw to Rice's home state of Alabama in October, where she gave him a high-profile taste of life in the Deep South.
The trip is full of photo opportunities meant to highlight the historic links between the United States and Britain. In Liverpool, Rice will attend a concert and visit a maritime museum steeped in the history of trade and travel between the two countries.
A Beatles fan, Rice also will have an opportunity to indulge in her passion for the band in its home city.


---------Straw's Blackburn, and the southern United States where Rice grew up, share historic ties to the cotton industry.
During the industrial revolution, American cotton grown in the Deep South was imported through Liverpool to Blackburn, where it was woven into cloth.------------------


On Friday, Rice will join Straw at a British Aerospace factory, where they are expected to discuss a deal on strike fighter jets.

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