CON-Feed Is a Saboteur

Is it a "he" or a "they"?

I could never type that much.

In any case, it's a problem easily solved, using that cool new forum feature...

Go ---> Personal Zone ---> Profile ---> Ignore List ---> Add Users

The ELECTION TIME thing may be close to the point. But, it appears as if CON-Feed is on the run, hiding out here instead of having to deal with some of the goings on... on another message board.

Supposedly there is a PACT a number of CONservative posters there have made not to post on that board and the ELECTION TIME flak they would have to take is at least part of the reason why they've made the decision to leave.

Also, the board administrator there banned one of CON-Feed's homies who couldn't resist calling someone the N-Word.

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Originally posted by Nmaginate:
The ELECTION TIME thing may be close to the point. But, it appears as if CON-Feed is on the run, hiding out here instead of having to deal with some of the goings on... on another message board.

Supposedly there is a PACT a number of CONservative posters there have made not to post on that board and the ELECTION TIME flak they would have to take is at least part of the reason why they've made the decision to leave.

Also, the board administrator there banned one of CON-Feed's homies who couldn't resist calling someone the N-Word.

What forum is this happening on?

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Re: Hey what happened.
« Reply #5 on: Today at 12:00pm »

NJ
Board Elder
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[CON as he is known there or RON or Cultural Strategist or the self-appointed BQSPF Antagonist] is part of the PACT that has agreed to refrain from posting on this site, and they also agreed to sit back and watch the so-called libs.....

but again that is just a decoy excuse ..... for they are actually shaking in their boots in ref to the election outcome(i..e. will the will of the voters be superceded by the will of the e-voting fraud carrying out crew)


http://www.reddingnewsreview.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?...1161964000;start=0#0

NMaginedH8Tred:

Why do you concern yourself with me so much?

Despite the fact that you GOT MY MOTIVATIONS for departing the other message board TOTALLY WRONG you continue to spread your foolishness.

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NMaginedH8Tred:

Why do you concern yourself with me so much?

First, DUMB ASS dude... This thread is about YOU.
Second, I was merely relaying information.

The words "APPEARS" and "SUPPOSEDLY" give you no reason to talk about how I supposedly got your "motivations" WRONG. Neither of those words suggest any such accuracy nor did I make any concrete claims. What I said was qualified by those terms which indicate simply that: "I don't know this for a fact."

So what are you wolfin' about?

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Despite the fact that you GOT MY MOTIVATIONS for departing the other message board TOTALLY WRONG you continue to spread your foolishness.

This statement doesn't make any sense. You have NOT corrected me. You have not explained why you "departed" the other board... So how can I "continue" to do something "wrong" when I haven't be corrected?

I simply listed some ideas, some possible contributing factors for your presence here (and away from Rob Reddings)... Only you would know for sure and, given your HONESTY issues, even if I was 100% correct (which was never a claim I made) you wouldn't admit it.

So you can stop all the posing. And, frankly, you really aren't a concern for me... You won't find me crying LIKE YOU DID when I started posting on Reddings with you begging me to leave or whatever it was you were crying about when I came in the door smacking your sorry azz around there.

Yeah, you were real concerned with me, watching my every move, waiting for the moment when you could announce that I was putting up some type of front because, for a moment, some folks there thought I was going to be down with their clique or something.

Anyway... Showing you just how concerned I am about you, I said:

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You see - I ACTUALLY LIVE WITH MY BLACK KIDS AND MY BLACK WIFE

That makes you different from George S. Schuyler - BLACK CONSERVATIVE icon

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One thing though, if memory serves me correct, HB took particular offense when...
SARACEN (I believe) suggested the same thing about him? What gives?

That's from the CF Is A White Man thread. Simply put, I AM NOT CONCERNED... I don't care whether you're Black or White and think the question (even though you do do the "WHITE BOY" pretty good from time to time) isn't worth asking because, IMO, it simply doesn't matter.

The same goes for this thread. Whether you are or are not a Saboteur doesn't matter. If folks feel like you are, then they are obliged to act accordingly.

Again, I just put information out there. The facts are: [1] YOU LEFT Reddings; [2] THLM, one of your "homies" (i.e. someone you got along with and had on your "side"), got banned.

Also, you know you've teased NJ about her absence(s) around/after election time. So, again, you can stop the posing, now.


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i concur 100%.

his logic is not contructive at all, all his theories and ideas are nothing more that sophistic drivel.

he attempts to postulate the most absurd half truths he can come up w/.

i think the entire board should ignore him until he leaves.

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Go ---> Personal Zone ---> Profile ---> Ignore List ---> Add Users

thanx rico...

nice knowing ya' con-fed..

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Originally posted by blaqfist:
i concur 100%.

his logic is not contructive at all, all his theories and ideas are nothing more that sophistic drivel.

he attempts to postulate the most absurd half truths he can come up w/.

i think the entire board should ignore him until he leaves.

Go ---> Personal Zone ---> Profile ---> Ignore List ---> Add Users

i don't think i will put in on ignore...

he/she/they is/are a very interesting example of manipulative argumentation..

it is tenacious if it aint anything else

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i think the entire board should ignore him until he leaves.

You have really high hopes that aren't based on the forum reality. But we shall see...

I, for one, like slapping him around. My bet is: Others do too. And it is precisely his "half-truths", if not outright LIES, are so easy to dismiss that people respond the way they do.

Simply put, he doesn't pose a threat or a serious challenge... And its his absurd rhetoric which lends to the speculation about him being a "SABOTEUR". The thinking is: NO ONE CAN BE THAT STUPID.

Anyway... That's how I see it.


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Yeah, I'm about to take Ricardo's advice and put CON-Feed on my Ignore List. He's one of those Conservatives that are impossible to win an argument against. Not because he is right but because he refuses to ever admit to any error and will continue repeating the same points over and over no matter how much or how many times they are refuted.

Neocon: "Saddam Hussein created Al-Qaeda!"

Other Person: "No he didn't. He was a secularist and he was opposed to the idea of Islamic Brotherhood. Al-Qaeda would consider him an infidel. [Lists articles and goes through the history of the Al-Qaeda organization]"

Neocon: "How could you say that? You're clearly wrong. The Global Jihadists hate America and freedom, Saddam hated it too, so he supported them. He created their organization."

Other Person: "What? I just told you that he didn't! [Lists more history lessons]"

Neocon: "Silly liberal. We invaded Iraq because he had a relationship with them and created them. Are you saying US Intelligence was wrong?"

Other Person: "Yes, even Bush admitted that Saddam had no links to Al-Qaeda and 9/11."

Neocon: "More liberal fantasy. As I said, Saddam and the Global Jihadists have a mission to destroy America and freedom. I have a feeling you're with them since you seem to be quite the Hussein-apologist."

Other Person: "WTF?! Fuck this, I'm not talking to you anymore."

Neocon: "That's because you hate freedom and hate America. You can't fight the truth."


That's what talking to CON-Feed is like.

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He's one of thsoe conservatives that's impossible to win an argument against.

Folks are actually supposed to or are allowed to win arguments here?


Hey!! Stop the presses!!! Get Kweli on the phone right now! lol


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Hey!! Stop the presses!!! Get Kweli on the phone right now! lol

Kweli speaking. Now may I help you?

EP needs you quick. I'll hit the 3-way button so you can tell him all about that POSTING TO WIN ARGUMENTS thing you're so good at talking about (only)... lol

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Originally posted by Nmaginate:
EP needs you quick. I'll hit the 3-way button so you can tell him all about that POSTING TO WIN ARGUMENTS thing you're so good at talking about (only)... lol

I'm trying to decide whether I should laugh or be offended. I choose to

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It was meant to be funny. That's why I laughed... Both times.


Well, actually, that's why I've been laughing for a long time... ever since you tried that one.


Hey, CON... Here's a line for you to use, KWELI APPROVED:

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You're back to discussing/interacting to win the debate, rather than attempting to understand what people, in this case both Cosby and myself, are saying.
And I must say that it involves far more mental gymnastics to frame your arguments than merely understanding.

Fresh, new RHETORIC from you. At least that way EBONY can't say you're repeating yourself. lol

Just throw that out there like a Lifeline (i.e. HELP!!) on Who Wants To Be A Millionaire or 1 vs. 100. You get two or three a game-thread or something. lol

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Originally posted by Empty Purnata:
I'm starting to reach the conclusion that our dear (well, not so dear) Constructive Feedback is either a Whitewashed Black Conservative Saboteur looking for praise from White Conservatives/Republicans, or he's a White Republican posing as Black to infiltrate the board.

Look at his obsessive posting/thread-starting as of late. Is it any coincidence that all of this is happening near election time? He posts like a troll because he starts threads with provocative titles or inflammatory topics, posts some hyperbole, gets refuted, then runs without ever responding only to start another thread. He posts so many hit-and-run threads I'm beginning to think he's a troll here for ulterior (and more sinister) motives.


What do you think?

I think that I value the diversity of opinion on this board, including Constructive Feedback's opinion. He seems to have some good ideas. If you disagree with him, argue your case on its merits.

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Originally posted by volume:
If you disagree with him, argue your case on its merits.

Dude, what the hell are you talking about? How long have you been here? You must have not been paying attention because THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I'VE BEEN DOING FOR AS LONG AS I'VE KNOWN HIM. Even a cursory look at my posts to him over the past week shows how I've factually refuted most his points. Any long time member who has dealings with him (Nmaginate, HonestBrother, Kweli4Real, Kevin41, Shango67, etc.) can tell you that when you factually refute him, he simply never responds or responds with some nonsense hyperbole that has nothing to do with the point. Or simply repeats the same refuted point all over again ridiculing your response or acting like it was inadequate without addressing it or offering a point-by-point refutal. Most of the threads we argue with him in end up with him either running away and never responding or repeating the same point over and over, no matter how much it is refuted, until the other person gets tired of talking to him. If anything, you should be telling HIM to argue his case on its merits instead of repeating "Liberal pink-commie government handout Welfare queen approach" to anything he disagrees with.


Are you one of his friends from Reddingtonsreview or something?

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Originally posted by Empty Purnata:

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Originally posted by volume:
If you disagree with him, argue your case on its merits.

Dude, what the hell are you talking about? How long have you been here? You must have not been paying attention because THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I'VE BEEN DOING FOR AS LONG AS I'VE KNOWN HIM. Even a cursory look at my posts to him over the past week shows how I've factually refuted most his points. Any long time member who has dealings with him (Nmaginate, HonestBrother, Kweli4Real, Kevin41, Shango67, etc.) can tell you that when you factually refute him, he simply never responds or responds with some nonsense hyperbole that has nothing to do with the point. Or simply repeats the same refuted point all over again ridiculing your response or acting like it was inadequate without addressing it or offering a point-by-point refutal. Most of the threads we argue with him in end up with him either running away and never responding or repeating the same point over and over, no matter how much it is refuted, until the other person gets tired of talking to him. If anything, you should be telling HIM to argue his case on its merits instead of repeating "Liberal pink-commie government handout Welfare queen approach" to anything he disagrees with.


Are you one of his friends from Reddingtonsreview or something?

I've been "here" for a few days and I've read a bunch of posts on the first page of this board. I've never heard of Reddingtonsreview and I am not one of his "friends". Calling him a "saboteur" and a "White Republican" because you disagree with him is not what I would describe as arguing a case on its merits. You started this thread because you wanted the opinion of others, right? You have my opinion.

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Originally posted by volume:
I've been "here" for a few days and I've read a bunch of posts on the first page of this board.

STOP RIGHT THERE. That statement alone tells me that you have little knowledge of who Constructive Feedback is and what kind of person he is. I've argued with this guy for about a year and a half spanning probably over 30 pages by now. I didn't arbitarily start calling him names just because I disagree with his Conservative opinions. I (and many others) have gotten to the point of name-calling because he is not a reasonable person, he is very insulting (you should see the kinds of things he's said to us and accused us of), and he does not argue on a rational basis. He makes accusations, he repeats refuted points and he generalizes. He assumes that if we do not agree with him on anything, we must be Clinton-loving Liberal Democrats. He's even accused us of defending "Global Jihadists".

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I've never heard of Reddingtonsreview and I am not one of his "friends". Calling him a "saboteur" and a "White Republican" because you disagree with him is not what I would describe as arguing a case on its merits.

I've argued against his cases on their merits FAR more than he has argued against mine or other members. If you disagree with his pro-coroprate assimilation tactics of Black progress, he just retorts with "So you want a government handout". What kind of rational argument is that?

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You started this thread because you wanted the opinion of others, right? You have my opinion.

Dude, before you weigh in your opinion, you need to go back and read more than the first page. You don't know me or him or any other member well enough to weigh in a well-rounded opinion. The fact that you're telling me to argue against him in a rational manner as if I haven't been doing that for the past 15 months shows me that you are a n00b and have little knowledge of our arguments or his argumentation style.

You can't make an accurate judgement of AA board relations going off of one week's worth of interactions.

I agree with volume, CF makes some good points, some excellent and some I'm not sure where he is coming from but overall I enjoy what he has to say. I do think he falls on the Conservative side but to me its no big deal, Liberals have good points too. I like OPTIMISM, I like INDEPENDENCE and CF seems to reflect that, he is not a beggar, whiner or a defeatist, I HATE DEPENDENCE. Why must we support white liberals or conservatives? To me the things we must accomplish does not involve Democrats or Republicans, Conservatives or Liberals, just do the right thing, acknowledge good ideas, support noble and moral ideas that lead to independence and success.

I hate the pessimistic, woe is us black people type attitudes, YT is soooo strong, its almost like worship. At least CF is talking about not DEPENDING on white people being fair, the government and the Democratic Party saving us. All we need to do is pull together making our own way, depending on our own resources. How many Billions black people pump into the economy, how many HBCU's we can send our children to and support, how many vast black neighborhoods that can be black business base customers, how must we change how public schools teach our children?

All the infrastructure, money and talent is there, to me it is a matter of making it work for our community.

Soon Obama will be up for President, I like him and I hope he will cause us to look inward instead of misdirecting black people toward government and politics to bail us out of our difficulties. It's time to set aside the grudges and move on. Individually black people are moving on anyway but it would be nice if we could pull together FUBU.

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and he does not argue on a rational basis. He makes accusations, he repeats refuted points and he generalizes.

Not to butt in here ... But what about his new "He [you] didn't say this but let's say he [you] did" tact.

Volume,

I can see why seeing the title and postings within this thread, without having the benefit of history, might be somewhat disconcerting; but stick around. I, and I'm sure most of the members here, would love to hear from a Black conservative of substance.

But be sure, CF's conservative opinions are not the source or basis of the ridicule he experiences. Rather, it is his spewing of right-wing talking points without having any understanding of the point. It's alot like listening to Mike Savage's radio show, when challenged on a point or moreso, the whole premise of his argument, he ducks, dodges, squirms, changes the topic or flat out invents "facts", but only because, unlike Savage, he can't call the challenger an idiot and hang-up.

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Originally posted by Empty Purnata:

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Originally posted by volume:
I've been "here" for a few days and I've read a bunch of posts on the first page of this board.

STOP RIGHT THERE. That statement alone tells me that you have little knowledge of who Constructive Feedback is and what kind of person he is. I've argued with this guy for about a year and a half spanning probably over 30 pages by now. I didn't arbitarily start calling him names just because I disagree with his Conservative opinions. I (and many others) have gotten to the point of name-calling because he is not a reasonable person, he is very insulting (you should see the kinds of things he's said to us and accused us of), and he does not argue on a rational basis. He makes accusations, he repeats refuted points and he generalizes. He assumes that if we do not agree with him on anything, we must be Clinton-loving Liberal Democrats. He's even accused us of defending "Global Jihadists".

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I've never heard of Reddingtonsreview and I am not one of his "friends". Calling him a "saboteur" and a "White Republican" because you disagree with him is not what I would describe as arguing a case on its merits.

I've argued against his cases on their merits FAR more than he has argued against mine or other members. If you disagree with his pro-coroprate assimilation tactics of Black progress, he just retorts with "So you want a government handout". What kind of rational argument is that?

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You started this thread because you wanted the opinion of others, right? You have my opinion.

Dude, before you weigh in your opinion, you need to go back and read more than the first page. You don't know me or him or any other member well enough to weigh in a well-rounded opinion. The fact that you're telling me to argue against him in a rational manner as if I haven't been doing that for the past 15 months shows me that you are a n00b and have little knowledge of our arguments or his argumentation style.

You can't make an accurate judgement of AA board relations going off of one week's worth of interactions.

You started this thread and asked "what do you think?"

I responded that "I value the diversity of opinion on this board, including Constructive Feedback's opinion. He seems to have some good ideas. If you disagree with him, argue your case on its merits."

I stand by my opinion.

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Originally posted by volume:
You started this thread and asked "what do you think?"

I responded that "I value the diversity of opinion on this board, including Constructive Feedback's opinion. He seems to have some good ideas. If you disagree with him, argue your case on its merits."

I stand by my opinion.

It doesn't matter. You don't know Constructive Feedback, you don't know me and your opinion is largely unimportant because of that. You're basically telling me to do something that I and others have been doing for 15+ months which shows your newness to the forum.

Perhaps you should familiarize yourself more before adding your rather weightless two cents in.

What exactly is he sabotaging?

What is getting accomplished to be sabotaged?

umbra

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Momentum,

I agree with volume, CF makes some good points...

STOP RIGHT THERE!!!

List the post and thread, complete with the CONTEXT in which he made OBJECTIVELY "good" points (on the actual TOPIC).

That he strikes a chord by paying LIP SERVICE to things about "INDEPENDENCE" this or that does not constitute making "good" points. He didn't earn the name of RHETORIC MAN for nothing.

Politicians make "good" points all the time. A lot, just to play LIP SERVICE. So, say something that makes sense.

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NMaginedH8red:

Can you detail the post in which you have laid out your MANIFESTO for the Black future?

I am still attempting to figure out why my words are RHETORIC and your are biblical verses?

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NMaginedH8red:

Can you detail the post in which you have laid out your MANIFESTO for the Black future?

No, because...
[1] You don't have Question Asking privileges with me; and
[2] You are not going to change the subject, especially since YOU have presented no such MANIFESTO.

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I am still attempting to figure out why my words are RHETORIC and your are biblical verses.

More fabricated BS... Yours are RHETORIC and "detailed" as such in every instance. It's your SELF-HATRED - i.e. the way you CONTRADICT yourself that shows how what you say = RHETORIC.

I state that all the damn time. And this "biblical verses" BS... Well, that's just what it is.

You make BOGUS claims... I don't. Plain & simple.


Any other questions?

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Originally posted by Kweli4Real:

Volume,

I can see why seeing the title and postings within this thread, without having the benefit of history, might be somewhat disconcerting; but stick around. I, and I'm sure most of the members here, would love to hear from a Black conservative of substance.

But be sure, CF's conservative opinions are not the source or basis of the ridicule he experiences. Rather, it is his spewing of right-wing talking points without having any understanding of the point. It's alot like listening to Mike Savage's radio show, when challenged on a point or moreso, the whole premise of his argument, he ducks, dodges, squirms, changes the topic or flat out invents "facts", but only because, unlike Savage, he can't call the challenger an idiot and hang-up.

Kweli4Real,

Thanks for your understanding and the welcome.

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Back on MOMENTUM...

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I like OPTIMISM, I like INDEPENDENCE and CF seems to reflect that, he is not a beggar, whiner or a defeatist, I HATE DEPENDENCE.

CF is into "School Choice"... (or likes to play with that Talking Point). Nothing within the School Choice advocacy of Black CONservatives/CONservative Blacks like CON-Feed ever even concerns itself with INDEPENDENCE.

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Originally posted by Momentum:
I like OPTIMISM, I like INDEPENDENCE and CF seems to reflect that, he is not a beggar, whiner or a defeatist, I HATE DEPENDENCE.

CON-Feed claims he is independent because he, in his words, doesn't rely on government "handouts" (even though I've pointed out to him on numerous occasions over the months how many seemingly insignificant things we enjoy every day are due to "government handouts", such as home insurance). However, he has no qualms about Black people grovelling for corporate "handouts". He's said in the past that we should strive to make White business owners feel safe (ie. we should step n' fetchit) to invest in Black neighborhoods. He continually praises Big Business for their monopolization of capital and says we should aspire to do the same thing and aspire to be given jobs by them. It reeks so much of Black step n' fetchit Trickle-Down Reaganism that it's sickening.


CON-Feed is real independent all right. He's independent from big, bad ole Big Government and is his own free man working for millionaire/billionaire businessmen and making presentations for them. He believes that if we po' ignint Black folks could just get our sorry asses together, the White man will stop being afraid of us and stop working against us/ignoring us and while shine his Capitalist graces upon us all and make us rich by pissing on us and leaving gold flakes. Yep, real independent. He hates people getting government checks for working but loves businesspeople getting kickbacks for being their godly Capitalist selves spreading wealth to the masses by employing them for lower and lower wages.

Switching Massahs (Big Government to Big Businesss) is not the same as being free.

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Originally posted by Nmaginate:

CF is into "School Choice"... (or likes to play with that Talking Point). Nothing within the School Choice advocacy of Black CONservatives/CONservative Blacks like CON-Feed ever even concerns itself with INDEPENDENCE.

NMaginedH8tred:

I see that you are now on a conquest to dispel the reasons why a poster has an open mind to my views by challenging him on his interpretation of my views.

If you notice he said I HAVE A SPIRIT OF "INDEPENDENCE" ABOUT ME. This means I am not BEHOLDEN as you are.

You then post analysis of school choice and attempt to make the case that there is no INDEPENDENCE IN SCHOOL CHOICE.

Now I will call you on this.

I will PLAY ALONG WITH YOU FOR A MINUTE AND ASSUME THAT "INDEPENDENCE" is a CRITICAL COMPONENT OF YOUR IDEAL EDUCATIONAL PLAN.

First let me ask you: WHERE I THE INDEPENDENCE in the EDUCATIONAL PLANS from MBM and many others on this board that effectively FEND OFF school choice and put the hopes on a REPAIRED GOVERNMENT OPERATED SCHOOL system. You know - what Black folks have been working toward for more than 30 years in our inner cities. IF INDEPENDENCE IS YOUR TARGET why don't you SPREAD YOUR SCRUTINY equally?


Second - if we consider THE MORE LIKELY SOURCE OF educators who teach Black kids a spirit of "INDEPENDENCE" is this more likely to come from a GOVERNMENT OPERATED SCHOOL or from the array of Charter/Private/Church Run or Home Schooling initiatives in which THE BLACK COMMUNITY has a stronger hand at SETTING POLICY and OPERATING THE CLASSROOM?


(Lesson Learned - I will now ATTACK NMAGINEDH8TRED by HOLDING HIS "ALLIES" UP TO THE SAME MEASUREMENT THAT HE ATTEMPTS TO HOLD ME UP TO. We all know that NmaginedH8tred is an ideologue and he goes after his enemies only. He is on an egotistical quest )

NOPE!!!

INDEPENDENCE was Momentum's idea that was cast as the opposite of DEPENDENCE. Simply put, no part of the School Choice or Voucher advocacy even begins to talk about INDEPENDENT schools for Black children.

That has been something I've noted for the longest. Don't claim that you will:

PLAY ALONG WITH YOU FOR A MINUTE AND ASSUME THAT "INDEPENDENCE" is a CRITICAL COMPONENT OF YOUR IDEAL EDUCATIONAL PLAN.

Then gets to talking about MBM or whoever you want to misrepresent. You're suppose to be talking about me and my "ideal educational plan."

Holla at me about Joseph Littles... or any other African-Centered school.

When I noted the following A LONG TIME AGO...

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Two years after founding Third World Press, Madhubuti cofounded an independent school, the Institute of Positive Education, with Carol D. Easton and others....

First housed in two storefronts that are just a block away from the present two-story, red-brick complex, IPE has since split into two institutions with 400 students: the Betty Shabazz International Charter School, which serves K through eighth grade, and the New Concept School, a preschool for two- to four-year-olds.

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0HST/is_2_4/ai_83553063/pg_2
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Betty Shabazz International Charter School (Betty Shabazz) – Chicago 299
Located in the Grand Crossing community on Chicago's South Side, this K-8 school
balances core instruction with African-centered themes, arts and humanities, and
technology and links students to local community resources as well as those in
South Africa, Brazil, and Ghana. Parental involvement is central to this "maximum
expectation" learning institution.

... that would show its importance in my "educational plan" (like I'm running for president).

I like this from CF:

"Does it seem perverted of you to view Black folks today with reference to the time that WE WERE IN BONDAGE versus with the REALITIES OF TODAY?

My preacher asked us several months ago (all Black folks in the pews) - "Why do you seek to PUT ON THE SHACKLES OF YOUR ANCESTORS when they toiled in the fields picking cotton - blood dripping from their finger tips making the cotton pink - AS THEY LOOKED FORWARD TO THE DAY WHEN A GENERATION YEARS LATER WOULD ONE DAY CAST OFF THAT WHICH HAD THEM IN BONDAGE?"

Why is it that I MUST SEEK TO REFERENCE what Blacks had once been LIMITED TO?
Why can't I project my REALITY upon my Ancestors in AFRICA - who 1,000 years ago WERE FREE to grow to the height that their NATURAL ABILITIES and ACTIVE MENTAL DISCIPLINE took them TO?"

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Like I said it's time to move on and focus on goals not continually looking back for excuses, let's plan for success. There is more focus on the negative than the positive. A few of you seem to yearn for the era of bondage. It seems you would be victims instead of controlling destiny. I wonder if it is a sign of depression?

MBM actually suggested that black people were not free, that was offensive a real turn off.


CF you got a good man in the pullpit. It is encouraging that black people are hearing that kind of stuff we get enough of the status quo negative stuff from the hood. It's like, you have no power, you still in bondage, we made no progress, we are damned.

Speaking of an EDUCATION PLAN... You tried to go there once with KWELI; started a thread about it and this is what I had to slap you with (and you promptly got the SHUT UPS):

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Once again, I have to call your BITCH Card. You show me a list of independent Black Schools founded by Black Conservatives - i.e. Black people with politically conservative views. Actually, you show me how there are more Black centered schools founded by such CONservatives than there are those founded by so-called Radical KneeGrows.

Oh... and in an effort to stop from slipping (LOL)... What kind of school do your kids go to? Yeah, that's right!! The Schoolhouse That LIBERALS Built. In other words, SHUT THE F~CK UP!!

Also, "THE GOVERNMENT" is mine. I pay taxes in this b*tch and as long as I do that government best serve my interest whether it be for schools or whatever. So you can try another lame angle.

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Put up or SHUT UP!!
Where are the Black CONservatives or PEOPLE WHO THINK LIKE YOU founding, starting, build, supporting BLACK SCHOOLS??

I can search across the country even twist definitions of conservative any way you want it but it is Radical and LIBERAL Blacks who overwhelmingly believe in operating their own schools. (i.e. "INDEPENDENT" schools)

... List the schools founded by CONservatives like you or any other type of Black CONservative (the political species) and compare that to the list of Black Schools started by them BLACKNESS minded so-called KneeGrows.


Here... I help you out. A leisurely stroll through google reveals these among others:

Betty Shabazz Elementary Academy
JS Chick and S.B. Ladd African-Centered Elementary in Kansas City, Mo.
Miller African Centered Academy
AYA Educational Institute
The Nsoromma School
Akoben Institute

Now, what kind of school do your kids go to again?? A VOUCHER school? No. It's a SchoolHouse That LIBERALS Built so shut your damn mouth.

TO DATE you have NEVER furnished a list of "INDEPENDENT" schools that Black CONservatives or BLACK PEOPLE WHO THINK LIKE YOU (politically) have founded, etc.

Now that's exactly what I was talking about to dispel MOMENTUM'S "independence" myth about you. We can go down the list. Both of you (you and MOMENTUM) would do better to reconfigure your rhetoric about "independence" and be truthful about it.

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CF you got a good man in the pullpit.

And his preacher's RHETORIC has been dismantled as well.

This is an instance where he is repeating ALREADY REFUTED, DEBUNKED and dismantled RHETORIC for "feel good", sound-good purposes hoping some unassuming (non-analytical) soul LIKES the way that BS RHETORIC sounds.

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"Why do you seek to PUT ON THE SHACKLES OF YOUR ANCESTORS when they toiled in the fields picking cotton - blood dripping from their finger tips making the cotton pink - AS THEY LOOKED FORWARD TO THE DAY WHEN A GENERATION YEARS LATER WOULD ONE DAY CAST OFF THAT WHICH HAD THEM IN BONDAGE?"

Neither on of you can identify what those "SHACKLES" are BEYOND RHETORIC... Like this:

A few of you seem to yearn for the era of bondage.

We already know there will be NO substantiating this BS from you, MOMENTUM. You just figure those words make for a good sentence to make it easier for you to avoid having to deal substantively with things discussed here.

All you do is project your mental state or something. That you reduce things to emotions - "I like", "depression" - shows how your ideas exist on such an emotional plane where those are the things that make sense to you...

NOTICE HOW YOU'RE NOT TALKING CF'S "INDEPENDENCE" any more.

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MBM actually suggested that black people were not free, that was offensive a real turn off.

Yeah... And did you comment on that thread? What were you offended by?
What was the working definition? And why that EMOTIONAL reaction?

Hmmm... I looked but I see NO COMMENTS from you on the African American Revolt or the How "Free" Are You? threads. did I miss one?

Oh and NOTICE THE QUOTES - "free".

Now as far as the "Era of Bondage" comment, explain why that same type of RHETORIC has been used to speak about folks with ideas like CON-Feed?

That and get to identifying the SHACKLES... CON-Feed couldn't. I know for sure he tried this BS on another board and LOST; he tried to associate "freedom" with the degree of material comfort, etc. Simply put, him nor his preacher ever cared to examine the "freedom" our ancestors fought for and speak to what those people who fought said they were fighting for, particularly in principle (because there were plenty then like CON-Feed now who had convenient rationales to view their situation as "okay"... "free" enough).

Ya'll can't even pawn off that "we free" stuff going off of MLK. He most certainly didn't suggest that the mere passage of Civil Rights legislation = "freedom".

But we done been down this road ad infinitum with CON-Feed...

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Why all the hate? Censorship by hate, BLACK people are not entitled to their own opinions by BLACK people? We should be the most FREEDOM loving people on the face of the earth.

I'm not going to get in an argument, back and forth thing over words, why not strive to understand another's opinion instead of trying to negate it?

It's like you must think like me or you are a fool. Black people must think alike, we must vote alike, if I am miserable you must be miserable too. If I'm angry and if you are black you must be angry too.

This theme I keep seeing on this board is Black people are damned we have no hope, the system is not manageable unless we riot which is another MBM suggestion. Where is the virtue, where is the forward momentum, where are the goals? Who is really in bondage?

Which is why I rarely visit and view this site and when I do I see very unrealistic negative themes, there is hardly anything encouraging, very depressing outlook, from some we still in the back of the buss figuratively speaking.

Yeah, I do think CF is much more INDEPENDENT thinker than he is given credit for. For example the Education Voucher system is a much more INDEPENDENT direction for Black parents instead of being FORCED to attend bad schools. In Contrast parents have the INDEPENDENCE to CHOOSE a better school or one that fits the needs of their children. What is wrong with that? Some Charter Schools are designed to meet the needs of black children who carry baggage from bad public schools, designed to catch them up, to instill discipline, some schools are 6 days a week and if black parents think that is best they should be FREE to CHOOSE a Charter school.

But some of you argue against this kind of FREEDOM, it does not make any sense to me.

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Why all the hate? Censorship by hate, BLACK people are not entitled to their own opinions by BLACK people? We should be the most FREEDOM loving people on the face of the earth.

I think a lot of this is what people call DRAMA.

A lot of the arguing here just seems to be because some people enjoy arguing.

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ike I said it's time to move on and focus on goals not continually looking back for excuses, let's plan for success. There is more focus on the negative than the positive. A few of you seem to yearn for the era of bondage. It seems you would be victims instead of controlling destiny. I wonder if it is a sign of depression?

Momentum:

I can't take credit for this. My pastor said that to a church full of Black folks. (My pastor is FOR Reparations by the way)

During a men's conference he also brought up the notion of LIVING TODAY FOR 7 GENERATIONS HENCE.

The tracks that you lay down today as you ENCULTURATE a new state of mind for YOUR PEOPLE will become FIRMLY PLANTED 7 GENERATIONS in the future.

It is CLEAR that historians in the future are going to look at the years between 1964 - the year our RIGHTS were codified and 2024 (the year that the Supreme Court should make a final stand on Affirmative Action) and will ask "WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED?"

THEY HAD THEIR FREEDOM. They could have TOOK IT AND RAN WITH IT.

Why didn't MBM and others SEE THAT THEY WERE FREE?
Why did they choose to allow SLAVE FORCES to JUMP THE GENERATIONAL SYNAPSE rather than WORK TO BLOCK all dysfunctional thoughts and behaviors from infecting someone else?

MAYBE WE NEED A "CULTURAL CONDOM"?