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It is over! it happened a hundred years. The statement was made in the 60's.

The Holocaust took place during the Second World War, the 40's.

The Civil Rights movement started in the 50's during the time the White Americans continued to treat Black Americans the same as the Nazi treated the Jews. Afrikan Americans do not have to go back to the 1800's. They can go back to 70's and find a little to big difference since the 1800's depending on the areas.

In the near future a vote is necessary for the right of Natural born Americans to vote.

The Conservative Hannity and the Liberal Combs agree that it no need to find out who profited from the racial practices and treatment of black Americans by white people in America.
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I'm definitely feelin' ya on this!

The whole of the African-American experience has been and is a Continuum of Racism.
The socio-economic disparities today are a reflection that OUR HOLOCAUST still has not ended.

When our people are disproportionately relegated to "poorer" school districts which still remain as segregated as they were under Jim Crow then that's evidence that we are still under siege.

When the unemployment rate of our people is double the amount for the nation... when Black crime is the most criminalized... that's evidence... TODAY!

So... I know exactly where you're coming from!
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"No person is your friend who demands your silence, or denies your right to grow." - Alice Walker
Norland if we loved it so much, then we wouldn't have fought against it during the 1960's and 1970's. (I know that you are being sarcastic)
I agree with you, Nmaginate, but again I must defer to my topic "What is our course of Action".

Our people have made the mistake of confusing the methods with the objectives. As long as we agree on objectives, we should never fall out with each other just because we believe in different methods, or tactics, or strategy. We have to keep in mind at all times that we are not fighting for separation. We are fighting for recognition as free humans in this society
Malcolm X, 1965
Yssys, not sarcastic; the truth. We fight, fight, fight, fight, fight, fight ad infinitum and still get NO respect. We've done everything we can to get along, but there are still so many problems IMHO. I know many of ours have lost their minds, but gee-whiz, 400 years and still getting called out of our names is despicable. We do DIE for this country and always have. Why??
My bag, Norland. But I feel you. So if you had a choice of countries to move to where would you move?

Our people have made the mistake of confusing the methods with the objectives. As long as we agree on objectives, we should never fall out with each other just because we believe in different methods, or tactics, or strategy. We have to keep in mind at all times that we are not fighting for separation. We are fighting for recognition as free humans in this society
Malcolm X, 1965
I want to issue a challenge to my beloved brothers and sisters here. I will preface it with this sentiment:

I am just as passionate as everyone else and that passion may indeed spill over into some areas were I am intolerant of particular types of discourses... That's been true in the past and will probably remain so in the future.

More than anything... My ever-lasting love is for us, all of us, to be able to one day fill the void we have for the answers, the reality of progress for our people.

So if I disagree with you or take offense at something you may say then... Count it to my head and not my heart... for I would hope that it's in the same place yours is in.

That said here's my challenge:

WHATEVER QUESTION YOU POSE FOR OTHERS...
... ANSWER THEM YOURSELF!

We are all searching and need each others help but it must first start with ourselves. If you can't even approach an answer to the questions you ask then how do you suppose the rest of us are suppose to do the same?

Bottom line... We've got to work through this together.
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I agree with you, Nmaginate, but again I must defer to my topic "What is our course of Action". -- Yssys
Okay... You tell me, WHAT'S OUR COURSE?
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We do DIE for this country and always have. Why??...We must love it; we're all still here!!
What do you have to say in answer/response to your own words?

What we have accomplished to date, as a people, has occurred in steps with each person, each organization, each era making a contribution to those steps. We must resolve that we will make ours... whether that yields the ultimate "solution" or not we have to make our contribution either to make a step ourselves or enable those to follow to make the step for us.

We really already know the answers...
We have to just be clear on what exactly we want to achieve, leaving nothing to chance and nothing to interpretation. We have to spell it out...
Also YSSYS... My Love...

I would like to know what you think of the quotes I listed by Malcolm X in the "Inclusion Into A Democracy" thread. The en-bolden parts about UNITY in particular.

[I hope you're not offended by me givin' you LOVE... as much as I do. I'm a momma's boy at heart so I have a soft-spot in my heart for sisters esp. those engaged in the struggle... BTW... My mom's is very conscious!...and that's where I owe my small portion of consciousness to...]
I agree with the unity of purpose, but our focus has been so scattered as a people that it will take a truly radical person or idea to get people together. And not everyone is going to agree, but that doesn't mean that people who have the same opinions or ideas shouldn't press on.
Now in regards to our struggle to be recognized as human beings in society, we can stay here and struggle or we can go somewhere else and be free. I mean its a personal choice. My cousin is an expatriate living in the U.K. I wouldn't mind living abroad now that my children are older to give them a chance to see how other African diasporic people live and give them a stronger dose of Black Pride by being around a majority of black people. We've been here so long that for us to get up and leave would mean to leave all that we know, unfortunately. It takes guts to be an expatriate.

Our people have made the mistake of confusing the methods with the objectives. As long as we agree on objectives, we should never fall out with each other just because we believe in different methods, or tactics, or strategy. We have to keep in mind at all times that we are not fighting for separation. We are fighting for recognition as free humans in this society
Malcolm X, 1965
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We've been here so long that for us to get up and leave would mean to leave all that we know, unfortunately. It takes guts to be an expatriate.
I just kinda feel like that's giving up. Not that I hold that against any one that does that. I would do the same but I have family considerations that might make that an undesirable option.

But... seeing the world as you put it may really be good for some of us.

EBONYROSE... made a post about Bush "fence-mending" mission. We need to do that and calculate, egos aside, what we all can do towards the advancement of our people even if we don't agree. We all need to understand each other, get all out in the open and decide whether we are all about what we say we are about.

I think Malcolm made the most unifying sense out of all our leaders in that era. Like he said... For FREEDOM ... a man would do anything.

BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY!

We need to know for sure if we mean the same things when we say the same words.... That's all I'm saying. And I fear we don't.

You're right...
Like minded people MUST press on and we should not be dissuaded by those who don't agree.

The CRM didn't start with a mass of lock-step followers... It was a step out on FAITH!

Love...and Peace QUEEN!
Did you know that Lincoln supposedly offered to Repatriate Blacks at one point?

I seems as if he was adamant about it...

That feeling that THIS was ALL we knew and that we have a claim and stake here... was apparently evident then too for the Black Leaders [preachers] that he met with.

[It seemed to be a strong armed attempt by Lincoln... This or nothing... No discussion, etc.]

I wouldn't be too romantic about Europe either... but I don't know... no situation at the time, though perhaps better, seems to be perfect.

It seems to me to be a choice of Pick Your Battleground... But that's my state-side, narrow perspective.
Nmaginate let me answer your questions:

What would you say in our purpose?

Our purpose should be is to uplift the African diaspora spiritually, economically, and culturally. And to be recognized as humans along with the rest of the world population.

What short-term goals would help us reach that ultimate purpose or long term goal?

That question has a lot of answers as you well know Nmaginate. But from my perspective as a mother our short term goals should be mobilizing and taking over the communities that we currently live in. As parents we should be taking over the schools by getting on the school boards and joining the PTA. Manipulating the new voucher system to benefit us, by staying in our community instead of giving that tax money to white folks outside of our community. Magic Johnson's building businesses in LA helped stimulate the economy by bringing in businesses and hiring people from within that community. That's what we should do.
Our long term goals I think were best laid out by Marcus Garvey. But to add a few new problems in the mix

1. Get the IMF paid up and non-African owned businesses and entities OUT of Africa. Encourage freer trade between African states without going through former colonial nations. I think that this would open up the eyes of Africans that they don't need too much from the former colonial powers.

2. Continue to educate and train our young people to take positions of leadership in society and government throughout the diaspora.

3. Get HIV/AIDS under control so that we can stop the senseless deaths of our elders and continue passing down African traditions, culture to our children. Actually this is something that can be done now since the Brazilians have developed copycat HIV treatment drugs and offered to build factories to produce them in Africa. That is one of the reasons Bush was so fast to sign that 15 bn dollar AIDS assistance package, in my opinion.

Again this is a very detailed topic and I can only offer my personal opinion on this. But my signature file generally sums up my feelings on this.

Love, Peace, and Soul,
Yssys

Our people have made the mistake of confusing the methods with the objectives. As long as we agree on objectives, we should never fall out with each other just because we believe in different methods, or tactics, or strategy. We have to keep in mind at all times that we are not fighting for separation. We are fighting for recognition as free humans in this society
Malcolm X, 1965

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