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Christianity and the Bible

The Concise Oxford Dictionary defines Christianity as "the religion based on the person and teachings of Jesus Christ; its beliefs and practices." On page two hundred and fifty three (253) of its Revised tenth (10th) Editions released in 2001. According to today's Christian teachings, the life and times, everything leading up to them, and all after his crucifixion are detailed in the book entitled "The Holy Bible" (which will be from now on be referred to as the Bible). It is claimed to be the undisputed word of God and as such it is the most complete book ever written. It is also said of the Bible that it was written by God and that God used humans to actually write the Bible in the same way that I am used a pencil to write the first draft of this work. The pencil is that which was actually writing, but it was my intentions and mine alone that were written, no matter what instrument I use to write.

As is communicated by today's Christendom, Abraham fled from famine into Ta-Merry (called Egypt in the Bible), after Abraham left Ta-Merry, a youth after his line named Joseph returned as a slave and rose to great heights in the kingdom of Ta-Merry, Sometime after his (Joseph's) death his descendants were subsequently enslaved by the natives and forced to build their great monuments and temples and Jews of this day also place great emphasis on the fact that it was there ancestors who built the Pyramids of Ta-Merry The story goes on that Moses, a Hebrew as the descendants of Jacob/Israel (Joseph's father) are called in the Bible, was chosen by God to led God's chosen people, the Hebrews, out from under the oppressive hands of the natives of Ta-Merry and their King. Moses, with the help of God, performs miracles including parting the red sea so that the Hebrews could cross into the "wilderness of Sinai" (which is actually an arid land). He is also known as the "law giver" because he supposedly delivers the ten (10) commandments from God, he is also accepted as the author of the first (1st) five (5) books of the Bible and to have been "learned in all the wisdom of the Egyptians". Throughout the entire story much is made of what is called the "Pagan" ways of Egyptian religion. After the escape the Hebrews made from the natives of Ta-Merry, the Hebrews then go on to establish the nation of Israel. Jesus is said to be born from the same line of those who escaped from Ta-Merry.

The accounts from Abraham to the Exodus of the Hebrews are important to ascertaining the accuracy of the events stated in the Bible as these are the life and times of the ancestors of Jesus and as such their stories form a base for painting a picture of the conditions which Jesus was subject to and would have had to respond to. The date at which Abraham fled into Ta-Merry is given by today's Christian scholars as 1670 B.C. However, somewhere during the year 1783 B.C. Ta-Merry is invaded and conquered by a people known as the Hyksos, their reign over the natives of that land (Egyptians) lasted until 1550 B.C. Therefore, the natives of Ta-Merry could not have enslaved the Hebrews for they were not even ruling their own land when at the point in time when Abraham came into Ta-Merry. The Pyramids of Ta-Merry were built between the years 2630 B.C. and 2465 B.C.; which means that the descendants of Abraham are given credit for building monuments that existed seven hundred and ninety five (795) years before Abraham even got there. There is absolutely no evidence in Ta-Merry that suggests that slavery was used to build any of its magnificent structures. History instead clearly shows how the natives of Ta-Merry built their own monuments and temples, as Dr. John Henrick Clarke has always suggested, Ta-Merry had developed the art of agriculture to such a sophisticated level that it was known the world over for it over-flowing food supply, and because of this fact, people from all over came to work in Ta-Merry; but when the Nile overflows every year it submerges the ground that was used for farming and therefore, the farmers had to seek other means of earning a living, and since temples were always being constructed, most farmers turned to construction work, thus the massive work force needed was supplied.

As for Moses being the "law giver", the ten (10) commandments are extracts from the forty-two (42) "Declarations of Innocence" which in Egyptian Mythology, the Egyptians recited during the judgement of their souls at death, and were also the principles, which they were to follow during life. The Declarations of Innocence can be found in the "Book of Coming Forth by Day and by Night"; it is a book, which outlines the Spirituality of the Ancient land of Ta-Merry, this book was written earlier than 4000 B.C. It is said in the Bible that Moses was recognizably an "Egyptian" and that he was "learned in all the wisdom of the Egyptians". This suggests that Moses was an initiate in the school of spirituality commonly known as the "Mysteries System". To further show that if Moses did exist, that he was not only an Egyptian but also an initiated member of their school of thought, is the fact that the Egyptian name "Moses" was given to all candidates of the Mysteries at their baptism, and meant "saved by water". Moses being a priest of the Mysteries System means that as every initiate is taught, Moses was taught the Declarations of Innocence. Therefore, as Dr. John Henrick Clarke again states, "if he brought the commandments down from the mountain, he must've taken them up there with him", furthermore, for him to say that he and he alone received the commandments from God is common plagiarization and should be treated as such.

I must emphasize that if two (2) people are asked a question and they both have the same answer, it means then that either they both got the answer from the same place, meaning then that Egyptian spirituality is Christianity; or that one copied from the other, in which case the one who had the answer before the other is free from suspicion. The case of Moses being the law is a perfect example of a case where one copied from the other, and Moses has not been able to present an acceptable defense for himself.

Christians often call the native Egyptian form of spirituality, and all forms of spirituality other than their own, as being "Pagan" and "Heathen". Here again we are faced with another "who copied from who?" syndrome; because the similarities between the stories of Jesus Christ and that of the Romiti Netcher of Heru (Horus) are far too many to be mere coincidence. A list of the similarities can be found on page xxxix of "Our Black Seminarians and Black Clergy without A Black Theology" by Dr. Yosef A. A. ben-Jochannan, some of which are as follows:

1 Horus had two mothers: Isis, the Virgin, who conceived him, and Nephthysis, who nursed him.

He was brought forth singly and as one of five brothers.

2 Jesus had two mothers: Mary the Virgin, who conceived him, and Mary, the wife of Cleophas, who brought him forth as one of her children.

He was brought forth singly as one of five brethren.

3 Horus was the son of Seb, his father on earth.

4 Jesus was the son of Joseph, his father on earth.

5 Horus was with his mother, the Virgin, until 12 years old, when he was transformed into the beloved son of God, as the only begotten of the Father in heaven.

6 Jesus remained with his mother, the Virgin, up to the age of 12 years, when he left her "to be about his Father's business."

7 From 12 to 30 years there is no record of the life of Horus.

8 From 12 to 30 years there is no record of the life of Jesus:

9 Horus at 30years of age became adult in his baptism by Anpu:

10 Jesus at 30 years of age was made a man of in his baptism by John the Baptist:

11 Horus, in his baptism, made the transformation into the beloved son and only begotten of the Father-the holy spirit, represented by a bird.

12 Jesus, in his baptism, is hailed from heaven as the beloved son and the only begotten of the Father. God-the holy spirit that is represented by a dove.

The representation of the Madonna (Mary) and Child (Jesus) are exactly identical to those of Aset (Isis) and baby Heru (Horus), which dates back more than 4100 BC.

All similarities between Jesus and Heru were assigned to the character of Christ at the Council of Nicene held in 325 A.D. The council is claimed to be the world's 1st Christian convention. The question that comes to mind here is, "If Egypt is so heathen and pagan because of its spiritual beliefs, why were attributes from their spirituality copied knowingly into the Christian faith?"

Yet another insult that is ignorantly slapped on other religions by Christians, is when they claim that other religions worship elements of Mother Nature, namely the Sun. Upon close examination, many of the happenings that are claimed to be part of the "Christ story" places Christ as being not the "son" of God; but rather the "sun" of God.

Jesus' birth is celebrated on the 25th of December. Jesus is also said to have been born of a virgin. During the time of his birth a bright star rose directly overhead, as the story goes, this star was used by the three (3) wise-men to guide them straight to the manger that Christ was born in.

The importance of the Sun to human society must be appreciated; without the sun there would be no life on this planet. The movement of the sun dictates the four (4) seasons, it regulates when agricultural practices take place, and even the very means by which we calculate time is regulated by the sun. Throughout history there has always been a tendency for humans to have an allusiveness for and are not comfortable in the dark. This I believe stems from the fact that we are not nocturnal creatures, this caused us to associate darkness with death, which therefore meant humans associated light (sun) with life. And indeed, the sun in the sky of the planet we call home does not belong to any the only one who can lay claim to the ownership of the sun is God. It is truly the sun of God.

Jesus of the Bible was crucified on a cross and at the moment of his death all went dark (something that you would expect to happen if we lost the sun). After his death his body was placed in a tomb, where it laid for three (3) days, on the third day of his death Jesus is said to comeback to life. The actual date for the death of Jesus does something peculiar, in that it never stays the same from year to year. For example, the death of Jesus was recorded as 17th April in 1992, then in 1997 it was 28th March, 13th April in 2001, 29th of March 2002 and now in 2003 the death of Jesus is claimed to have happened on the 18th of April. One would expect the death of a man to have happened on one day and not many, just as the birth happened on one particular day. The birth of Jesus occurs after the Friday after Passover, which itself has the same kind of shift in its date.

Interestingly enough, at the time Passover is celebrated, the sun "passes" over the equator, which creates a cross if lines are extended from East to West, then from North to South. This movement of the sun across the equator marks the start of what can be called, "The death of the Sun"; because at this time the days begin to become shorter meaning that the amount of light that we are experience becomes less therefore the association of this time with death. The time of the death of Jesus has more to do with the sun than it has to do with the man. As mentioned before the death of Jesus seems to occur at different dates each year, why does not this bother any of those in authority in the "Christendom". Who in their right mind calculates the death of a man at different dates each year; its so bad that he dies in different months. This just shows how "intelligent" people follow whatever is handed to them without question.

There are three (3) days which have the longest nights and that the sun no longer seems to go any farther below the equator, the sun seems to stand still, no movement is symbolic of death or the death of the sun, this occurs from the 22nd of December to the 24th of December. At this time the sun has reached the limits of its journey below the equator. The sun of god is dead for three (3) days. On the 25th of December the sun starts its northward journey, resulting in a shortening of the length of time of nights. The resulting extension of light is symbolic of life to humans. This occurrence on 25th of December is known as the birth of the sun and was celebrated the world over as the birth of the Sun of God (Son of God); and therefore the story follows that after the son died he spent three (3) days in the grave and then came back to life (resurrected) on the 25th of December. Following this story, the date for the birth of Heru was set at the 25th of December. As the story of Jesus was copied from ultimately from that of Heru, Jesus' birthday was set to the 25th of December as well.

Another annual celestial occurrence, which occurs on December 25th, is the rising of the brightest star in the heavens (sirus). When the movements of the Sun are observed it is seen that at the time the Sun is in the sign of Virgo, the virgin and that Sirus is directly above the Sun. Meaning that sirus marked the position of the Sun and could be followed to find the "Sun" (of God). It would also seem that Sirus is indeed being followed; the three (3) stars in Orion's belt point directly to Sirus. The three (3) stars seem to represent the wise men that followed a bright star on December 25th and subsequently found the "Son" of God.

As far as Christians are concerned the term "Amen" means "So be it", or rather, in the name of the almighty, as none can stop God's will. The root of the term is far more interesting. Anyone slightly familiar with the spirituality of Ancient Ta-Merry (Egypt) can tell of Amen; most "Egyptologists" know Amen as the "Sun God". Amen represented the supreme deity (almighty) of Ta-Merry. From the ancient times in Ta-Merry prayers were ended with the word Amen. Indeed to the ancients, signing a in the name of Amen meant that the will of God will be fulfilled, in other words, as Amen says it, so it is. To date Christians who scorn others for worshipping the Sun give praise to not only the supreme deity of a land which they claim to be pagan, but to a Sun God as well.

It is simple enough to prove merely go to an Encyclopaedic Dictionary and look up the word Amen. You will find two (2) versions of the term; one with a common "a" (amen) and the other with a capital "A" (Amen). "a"-men is directed as meaning "so be it" and "A"-men is directed as referring to the supreme deity of Ta-Merry (Egypt). Strangely enough, in the Holy Bible the word Amen is never spelt with a common "a" but always with a capital. In one case in the Bible Jesus Christ himself identifies as Amen, the following is an excerpt from the "Holy Bible, authorized King James version, in the Revelation of St. John the Divine; chapter 3 verses 12 to 15. "Him that cometh will I (Jesus) make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon the him the name of my God and the name of my city of my God, which is God: and I will write upon him my new name. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches. And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;" It would appear that Jesus' name is Amen, the Sun God or the Sun of God. For Jesus to identify himself with Amen can surely be no mistake as Jesus is said to have spent years of his life in Ta-Merry. Surely he must have noticed the name of the Supreme Deity of a land he spent years in. Even Moses comes again under scrutiny, he is said to have been "learned in all the wisdom of the Egyptians". While being taught by the priests and rising to the heights of the Mysteries System, is it suggested that Moses did not know that the name of a "Pagan" God known the world over at the time he is said to have lived, did he not know that the name of the God of the land he was born and raised and where he studied to be a priest. Would not the name of the Supreme Deity of a land be taught to the priests of that land. It seems that the same way Stole the "Ten Commandments" he stole "Amen". Which would therefore suggest that the God that Moses served and taught the world to serve is the same God that the Egyptians served. Now the famous words recited after Christian prayer; "in Jesus name we pray...Amen", look a bit different.

As a Christian would tell anyone, they base their beliefs on the Holy Bible being the word of God and therefore it would be the truth. If, however, there is no evidence outside of the Bible to prove what the Bible says as truth, the authorship of the book as being God is doubtful. If the Bible contradicts itself then either God does not know the exact events which took place (which is impossible) or God did not write the book, but men did, men with different perspectives, opinions and objectives. The latter option seems more the more probable of the two (2) given seeing as how the former is impossible.

My reference for all of the following quotations is the King James version of the Bible.

In Exodus chapter 33 verse 20 it states, "he (God) said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me and live". Then in John chapter 5 verse 37 it states, "Ye have neither heard his (God) voice at any time, nor seen his (God) shape. In both of the above instances there seems to be a confirmation in the fact that God cannot be seen, but I do not yet understand how God said that "Thou canst not see my face" to someone and that person records the event in the Bible if God's voice has never been heard by any. God further displays "His" confusion when in Exodus chapter 33 verse 11 it states, "And the Lord spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend." Then speaking of God in Timothy chapter 6 verse 16 it states, "who only hath seen immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can see: to whom honour and power everlasting. Amen." (Note that Egyptian Mythology, Amen is also known as the hidden one and to have power everlasting). Would not God know if he can be seen or not, it would seem more likely that man with his ever changing philosophical concepts would make such mistakes; nevertheless, the confusion continues. It would seem that God wishes us to use our brains to decipher what is truth from what is lie, and since we have extreme opposites in a case where it either is or is not, and God cannot be wrong then it therefore means that the Bible is not the word of God. To put it simply, somebody lied and mislead the entire Christendom when whoever it was stated by them that the Bible is the sacred word of God.

The confusion continues when we address the life and time of Jesus Christ. When our eyes and mathematical skills are functioning properly it seems that God does not even know the birth date of "His" own son, for between the books of St. Luke and St. Matthew God somehow lost fifteen (15) generations. St. Luke tabulates fifty-five (55) generations from Isaac, son of Abraham chapter 3 verse 38; while St. Matthew tabulates forty (40) from Isaac; chapter 1 verses 1 to 16. Now to further confuse things for us in Matthew chapter 2 verse 1 it states, "Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem." and then Luke records the birth of Jesus as occurring at a time after "Cyrenius" was named governor of Syria in chapter 2 verses 1 to 4. The confusion in this particular instance comes to light when it is realized that Herod died in the year 4 B.C. and that Cyrenius did not become governor of Syria until 7 A.D. We just lost at least 10 years. This coupled with the loss of fifteen (15) generation leaves the date when Jesus was born in limbo.

As is Jesus Christ was not hard enough to find outside of the Bible, here again the Bible throws more suspicion as to the authorship of the Bible. The question of who went to tomb on the first day of the week after Jesus crucifixion to anoint his body, has no clear answer for Matthew (chapter 28 verse 1) says "Mary Magdalene and the other Mary", while Mark (chapter 16 verses 1 and 2) says " Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, Luke (chapter 23 verse 52 to chapter 24 verse 1) says a group of women, while John (chapter 20 verse 1) only remarks that Mary Magdalene went to anoint the body of Jesus. Then to ask the question, who gave whoever went to anoint the body the news the news of Jesus' resurrection, here again the Bible provides no sensible conclusion. Matthew (chapter 28 verse 5 and 6) states that an angel gave the news. Mark (chapter 16 verses 4 and 5) states that it was one man. Luke (chapter 24 verses 3 and 4) states that it was two (2) men. John (chapter 20 verses 11 and 12) states that instead it was two (2) angels.

by Brandford Howell
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Originally posted by Afroman:
_Christianity and the Bible_

The Concise Oxford Dictionary defines Christianity as "the religion based on the person and teachings of Jesus Christ; its beliefs and practices." On page two hundred and fifty three (253) of its Revised tenth (10th) Editions released in 2001. According to today's Christian teachings, the life and times, everything leading up to them, and all after his crucifixion are detailed in the book entitled "The Holy Bible" (which will be from now on be referred to as the Bible). It is claimed to be the undisputed word of God and as such it is the most complete book ever written. It is also said of the Bible that it was written by God and that God used humans to actually write the Bible in the same way that I am used a pencil to write the first draft of this work. The pencil is that which was actually writing, but it was my intentions and mine alone that were written, no matter what instrument I use to write.

As is communicated by today's Christendom, Abraham fled from famine into Ta-Merry (called Egypt in the Bible), after Abraham left Ta-Merry, a youth after his line named Joseph returned as a slave and rose to great heights in the kingdom of Ta-Merry, Sometime after his (Joseph's) death his descendants were subsequently enslaved by the natives and forced to build their great monuments and temples and Jews of this day also place great emphasis on the fact that it was there ancestors who built the Pyramids of Ta-Merry The story goes on that Moses, a Hebrew as the descendants of Jacob/Israel (Joseph's father) are called in the Bible, was chosen by God to led God's chosen people, the Hebrews, out from under the oppressive hands of the natives of Ta-Merry and their King. Moses, with the help of God, performs miracles including parting the red sea so that the Hebrews could cross into the "wilderness of Sinai" (which is actually an arid land). He is also known as the "law giver" because he supposedly delivers the ten (10) commandments from God, he is also accepted as the author of the first (1st) five (5) books of the Bible and to have been "learned in all the wisdom of the Egyptians". Throughout the entire story much is made of what is called the "Pagan" ways of Egyptian religion. After the escape the Hebrews made from the natives of Ta-Merry, the Hebrews then go on to establish the nation of Israel. Jesus is said to be born from the same line of those who escaped from Ta-Merry.

The accounts from Abraham to the Exodus of the Hebrews are important to ascertaining the accuracy of the events stated in the Bible as these are the life and times of the ancestors of Jesus and as such their stories form a base for painting a picture of the conditions which Jesus was subject to and would have had to respond to. The date at which Abraham fled into Ta-Merry is given by today's Christian scholars as 1670 B.C. However, somewhere during the year 1783 B.C. Ta-Merry is invaded and conquered by a people known as the Hyksos, their reign over the natives of that land (Egyptians) lasted until 1550 B.C. Therefore, the natives of Ta-Merry could not have enslaved the Hebrews for they were not even ruling their own land when at the point in time when Abraham came into Ta-Merry. The Pyramids of Ta-Merry were built between the years 2630 B.C. and 2465 B.C.; which means that the descendants of Abraham are given credit for building monuments that existed seven hundred and ninety five (795) years before Abraham even got there. There is absolutely no evidence in Ta-Merry that suggests that slavery was used to build any of its magnificent structures. History instead clearly shows how the natives of Ta-Merry built their own monuments and temples, as Dr. John Henrick Clarke has always suggested, Ta-Merry had developed the art of agriculture to such a sophisticated level that it was known the world over for it over-flowing food supply, and because of this fact, people from all over came to work in Ta-Merry; but when the Nile overflows every year it submerges the ground that was used for farming and therefore, the farmers had to seek other means of earning a living, and since temples were always being constructed, most farmers turned to construction work, thus the massive work force needed was supplied.


This guy you are quoting is a n00b.

First of all: The dating is out of whack. It was assumed to be a certain way after Napoleon's scientists checked out the pyramids and stuff. Their assumptions may not be correct. Circumstantial evidence points to Akenaton as being the Pharaoh that JOSEPH knew--400 years prior to the Exodus. (nice coindicence there--a guy comes along with an interpretation of a dream, along with ONE God, and it comes true...so a Pharaoh declares there is ONE God. Hmmmm...)

Secondly: There is NOTHING in the Bible that indicates that the Hebrews build the Pyramids or anything else made of quarried stone. The Hebrews built structures MADE OF MUD BRICK INCLUDING STRAW AS AN INGREDIENT. The bible recounts that they were building "treasure cities"--Pithom and Raamses. NOT the pyramids, the sphinx, or any of the tombs in the Valley of the Kings. This is verified by the fact that the ancient cities of Raamses and Pithom (if you check a map in any Children's Edition of the NIV Bible) are located in GOSHEN, which is in the Eastern Nile Delta region. It is way too far north of Giza and the Pyramids. It would have been impractical to "commute" them there anyhow.

Pwned.

It shall be stipulated that Egypt was very good at farming. The Israelites remembered the melons and other good things grown in Egypt that they longed for after hanging out in the desert.

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Originally posted by Afroman:
As for Moses being the "law giver", the ten (10) commandments are extracts from the forty-two (42) "Declarations of Innocence" which in Egyptian Mythology, the Egyptians recited during the judgement of their souls at death, and were also the principles, which they were to follow during life. The Declarations of Innocence can be found in the "Book of Coming Forth by Day and by Night"; it is a book, which outlines the Spirituality of the Ancient land of Ta-Merry, this book was written earlier than 4000 B.C. It is said in the Bible that Moses was recognizably an "Egyptian" and that he was "learned in all the wisdom of the Egyptians". This suggests that Moses was an initiate in the school of spirituality commonly known as the "Mysteries System". To further show that if Moses did exist, that he was not only an Egyptian but also an initiated member of their school of thought, is the fact that the Egyptian name "Moses" was given to all candidates of the Mysteries at their baptism, and meant "saved by water". Moses being a priest of the Mysteries System means that as every initiate is taught, Moses was taught the Declarations of Innocence. Therefore, as Dr. John Henrick Clarke again states, "if he brought the commandments down from the mountain, he must've taken them up there with him", furthermore, for him to say that he and he alone received the commandments from God is common plagiarization and should be treated as such.


n00bie! ALL humans instinctively know WHAT is right and wrong, they've known it since the beginning! BTW God is NOT big on "mysteries" OR sorcery and secrets. Moses would have learned all their math and science but I doubt he would have allowed himself to be initiated into their mysteries--assuming the mysteries were active at the time IN PHARAOH'S COURT. Trying to pin all of protojudaism upon Egyptian thought is n00bie in the extreme. Egyptian Judgment weighs the good deeds versus the bad deeds. The standard is the Heart must be lighter than a feather. However, YHWH does not play that. The standard in protojudaism is whether the person believes in YHWH and His Promise to send the Messiah. They didn't get that from Egypt. Egyptian thought also does not ban sorcery, nor does it correctly deal with sin.

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Originally posted by Afroman:
I must emphasize that if two (2) people are asked a question and they both have the same answer, it means then that either they both got the answer from the same place, meaning then that Egyptian spirituality is Christianity; or that one copied from the other, in which case the one who had the answer before the other is free from suspicion. The case of Moses being the law is a perfect example of a case where one copied from the other, and Moses has not been able to present an acceptable defense for himself.


Fallacy of false choice. Ignoring the third option. Which is, Egyptian thought copied the Real Deal from the Beginnning (proto-judaism).

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Originally posted by Afroman:
Christians often call the native Egyptian form of spirituality, and all forms of spirituality other than their own, as being "Pagan" and "Heathen". Here again we are faced with another "who copied from who?" syndrome; because the similarities between the stories of Jesus Christ and that of the Romiti Netcher of Heru (Horus) are far too many to be mere coincidence.


I think this guy's a little confused. The stories of Horus are actually an import of ancient Sumerian religion--with the Mother Goddess actually being Semiramis--the late Nimrod's wife and Queen. Semiramis was unfaithful and it is doubtful whether the child (Tammuz) she bore after Nimrod's death was actually Nimrod's--however she claimed Tammuz was Nimrod REBORN. In essence, Semiramis was deifying herself and her kid. This is actually a very common pagan thing--the Mother Goddess and child (Isis/Horus, Devaki/Krisha (India), Venus-Fortuna/Jupiter, Cybele/Deoius, or mother goddess alone (Shingmoo of China, Hertha of ancient Germany, Disa of Scandinavia, Nutria of the Druids, Diana of Ephesus, Ashtaroth of the Caanaanites, etc.

However in Christianity the Mother is NOT to be worshiped (although the Catholic Church has got the whole "Mary-adoration" thing going on, and it's WRONG!). Mary is NOT a goddess nor is she to be considered as such.

For more information please find a copy of "Babylon Mystery Religion" by Ralph Woodrow.

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Originally posted by Afroman:
A list of the similarities can be found on page xxxix of "Our Black Seminarians and Black Clergy without A Black Theology" by Dr. Yosef A. A. ben-Jochannan, some of which are as follows:

1 Horus had two mothers: Isis, the Virgin, who conceived him, and Nephthysis, who nursed him.


That's meaningless.

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Originally posted by Afroman:
He was brought forth singly and as one of five brothers.

Also not relevant. Christ had brothers AND sisters (although the Catholic Church will prolly try to argue otherwise!)

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Originally posted by Afroman:
2 Jesus had two mothers: Mary the Virgin, who conceived him, and Mary, the wife of Cleophas, who brought him forth as one of her children.

WTF IS THIS SH**????? Whence cometh this BULLCRAP???? WHO WRITES THIS STUFF???

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Originally posted by Afroman:
He was brought forth singly as one of five brethren.

Not provable.

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Originally posted by Afroman:
3 Horus was the son of Seb, his father on earth.

4 Jesus was the son of Joseph, his father on earth.

Big deal.

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Originally posted by Afroman:
5 Horus was with his mother, the Virgin, until 12 years old, when he was transformed into the beloved son of God, as the only begotten of the Father in heaven.


Misleading. This @$$Hole obviously doesn't know his Egyptian myths HALF as well as he SHOULD.

Another important form of Horus was that known as Horus, son of Isis, and of Osiris. He represented the rising sun, as did several other forms of Horus, and possessed many aspects or variants His shrines were so numerous that at one epoch or another he was identified with all the other Horus-gods, but he chiefly represented the new sun, born daily, and he was son and successor of Osiris. He was extremely popular, as being a well-marked type of resurrection after death. As Osiris represented 'yesterday,' so Horus, his son, stood for 'to-day' in the Egyptian mind. Although some texts state that Osiris was his father others claim this position for Ra, but the two in this instance are really one and the same and interchangeable.

Osiris became the father of Horus after he was dead; such is the origin of several sun-heroes. As has been said, the birth of such is usually peculiar and obscure.


First of all, Osiris is NOT Ra (the supreme god of the Egyptians). Secondly, the origin of Horus the Child pretty much EXACTLY matches the Babylonian one of Semiramis/Tammuz. WHo's copying WHOM, now? Wink

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Originally posted by Afroman:
6 Jesus remained with his mother, the Virgin, up to the age of 12 years, when he left her "to be about his Father's business."


BULL$#**. He only hung out at that temple for a couple days. HE WENT BACK WITH THEM when they came to get him! Jesus was about THIRTY when he actually began his preaching.

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Originally posted by Afroman:
7 From 12 to 30 years there is no record of the life of Horus.


Whatever. Means absolutely nothing, assuming it's true.

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Originally posted by Afroman:
8 From 12 to 30 years there is no record of the life of Jesus:


so? NOthing important happened.

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Originally posted by Afroman:
9 Horus at 30years of age became adult in his baptism by Anpu:

10 Jesus at 30 years of age was made a man of in his baptism by John the Baptist:

11 Horus, in his baptism, made the transformation into the beloved son and only begotten of the Father-the holy spirit, represented by a bird.

12 Jesus, in his baptism, is hailed from heaven as the beloved son and the only begotten of the Father. God-the holy spirit that is represented by a dove.


That's quite a list, but let's make it simple to start: A good number -- at least half -- are so far as I have seen bogus. There has not been a shred of evidence for many of these in any book of Egyptian religion I have thus far consulted. So as Clara Peller used to say, Where's the beef? Where's the original Egyptian lit that backs this up? Christ-Mythers: we do not want to hear from Gerald Massey or Godfrey Higgins; we want the original citation from Egyptian records. If I don't hear from any of you within a year (and I know that they check in on this site, because I hear from them), I'll assume no response is possible and go back to more copycat projects. In some cases below we will draw upon Glenn Miller's copycat article where he has done some previous work.

Horus

Now we get to the matters of Horus. Many of these have had some input from Miller, so we'll report those and add as needed.

Was born of the virgin Isis-Meri in December 25th in a cave/manger with his birth being announced by a star in the East and attended by three wise men. The lit has confirmed what Miller offers, and I have also seen the depiction he refers to below. I have found no reference to a cave/manger -- Frazer [Fraz.AAO, 8] has Horus born in the swamps, and knows nothing about a star or Wise Men, of any number.

...Horus was NOT born of a virgin at all. Indeed, one ancient Egyptian relief depicts this conception by showing his mother Isis in a falcon form, hovering over an erect phallus of a dead and prone Osiris in the Underworld (EOR, s.v. "Phallus"). And the Dec 25 issue is of no relevance to us--nowhere does the NT associate this date with Jesus' birth at all.
Indeed, the description of the conception of Horus will show exactly the sexual elements that characterize pagan 'miracle births', as noted by the scholars earlier:
"But after she [i.e., Isis] had brought it [i.e. Osiris' body] back to Egypt, Seth managed to get hold of Osiris's body again and cut it up into fourteen parts, which she scattered all over Egypt. Then Isis went out to search for Osiris a second time and buried each part where she found it (hence the many tombs of Osiris tht exist in Egypt). The only part that she did not find was the god's penis, for Seth had thrown it into the river, where it had been eaten by a fish; Isis therefore fashioned a substitute penis to put in its place. She had also had sexual intercourse with Osisis after his death, which resulted in the conception and birth of his posthumous son, Harpocrates, Horus-the-child. Osiris became king of the netherworld, and Horus proceeded to fight with Seth..." [CANE:2:1702; emphasis mine] [BTW, the Hebrew word 'satan' is not a 'cognate' of the name 'seth' by any means: "The root *STN is not evidenced in any of the cognate languages in texts that are prior to or contemporary with its occurrences in the Hebrew Bible" DDD, s.v. 1369f]
The one reference I have found to a birth of Horus has him born on the 31st day of the Egyptian month of Khoiak -- the mythers have a one in 365 chance that this matches Dec. 25th! Achy adds, with Massey as a likely source, the claim that on the walls of the Luxor Temple is a scene showing the "Annunciation, Immaculate Conception, Birth and Adoration of Horus, with Thoth announcing to the Virgin Isis that she will conceive Horus; with Kenph, the 'Holy Ghost,' impregnating the virgin," complete with three wise men. For some reason neither Achy nor Massey provide a name or number for this carving, or a location any more specific than the Luxor Temple, which is a rather huge place that is inaccessible to most of Achy's readers. When pressed by an inquirer at her site, Achy plays word games -- "Isis is the constellation of Virgo the Virgin, as well as the Moon, which becomes a 'virgin' during when it is new. The sun god - in this case, Horus - is born of this Virgin goddess." -- and alludes to a document from the 6th century AD! No substantiation is offered for the Isis-Virgo connection at all; it has no more authority than saying "Isis is Gomer the prostitute." If such a carving exists it is only what Achy thinks it is via the interpretation of Massey. (A writer recently sent this description from an Egyptian tour site: "Kingship was believed to be ordained by the gods at the beginning of time in accordance with ma'at., the well-ordered state, truth, justice, cosmic order. The reigning king was also the physical son of the Creator sun-god. This divine conception and birth was recorded on the walls of Luxor Temple, at Deir el-Bahri, and other royal cult temples throughout Egypt. The king was also an incarnation of the dynastic god Horus, and when deceased, the king was identified with the father of Horus, Osiris. This living king was thus a unique entity, the living incarnation of deity, divinely chosen intermediary, who could act as priest for the entire nation, reciting the prayers, dedicating the sacrifices...A peristyle forecourt of Amenhotep III is fused with the hypostyle hall, which is the first room in the inner, originally roofed, part of the temple. This leads to a series of for antechambers with subsidiary rooms. The Birth Room east of the second antechamber is decorated with reliefs showing the symbolic divine birth of Amenhotep III resulting from the union of his mother Mutemwiya and the god Amun. The bark sanctuary includes a free-standing building added by Alexander the Great within the larger chamber created by Amenhotep III. Well-preserved reliefs show Amun's portable bark shrine and other scenes of the king in the presence of the gods. The sanctuary of Amenhotep III is the last room on the central axis of the temple." This is significantly devoid of a virgin conception or birth, wise men, or a Holy Ghost. You mihght squeeze an adoration out of it, but who does not adore newborns anyway?)

His earthly father was named "Seb" ("Joseph"). Actually Seb was the earth-god, not "earthly," but rather the earth itself (as Nut was the sky), and he was O's dad, not Horus', though one of my helpful researchers tells me there is one version in which Horus was the son of Seb. And don't fall for the etymylogical trick or treat: You can't get from "Seb" to "Joseph" just by putting the names next to each other.
He was of royal descent. Obviously true, and Horus was often identified with the living Pharaoh, but so commonplace as to be meaningless.
At age 12 he was a child teacher in the Temple, and at 30, he was baptized, having disappeared for 18 years.
Was baptized in the river Eridanus or Iaurutana (Jordan) by "Anup the Baptizer" (John the Baptist) who was decapitated.
He had 12 disciples, two of whom were his "witnesses" and were named "Anup" and "AAn" (the two "Johns"). Egyptian religion scholars know of none of this. On this last Miller notes:
...my research in the academic literature does not surface this fact. I can find references to FOUR "disciples"--variously called the semi-divine HERU-SHEMSU ("Followers of Horus") [GOE:1.491]. I can find references to SIXTEEN human followers (GOE:1.196). And I can find reference to an UNNUMBERED group of followers called mesniu/mesnitu ("blacksmiths") who accompanied Horus in some of his battles [GOE:1.475f; although these might be identified with the HERU-SHEMSU in GOE:1.84]. But I cannot find TWELVE anywhere... Horus is NOT the sun-god (that's Re), so we cannot use the 'all solar gods have twelve disciples--in the Zodiac' routine here.]
He performed miracles, exorcized demons and raised El-Azarus ("El-Osiris") from the dead. Miller notes:
Miracle stories abound, even among religious groups that could not possibly have influenced one another, such as Latin American groups (e.g. Aztecs) and Roman MR's, so this 'similarity' carries no force. The reference to this specific resurrection I cannot find ANYWHERE in the scholarly literature. I have looked under all forms of the name to no avail. The fact that something so striking is not even mentioned in modern works of Egyptology indicates its questionable status. It simply cannot be adduced as data without SOME real substantiation. The closest thing to it I can find is in Horus' official funerary role, in which he "introduces" the newly dead to Osirus and his underworld kingdom. In the Book of the Dead, for example, Horus introduces the newly departed Ani to Osirus, and asks Osirus to accept and care for Ani (GOE:1.490).
Horus walked on water. Not that I have found, but he was thrown in the water (see below).
His personal epithet was "Iusa" the "ever-becoming son" of "Ptah," the "Father." He was called the "Holy Child." Miller says:
This fact has likewise escaped me and my research. I have looked at probably 50 epithets of the various Horus deities, and most major indices of the standard Egyptology reference works and come up virtually empty-handed. I can find a city named "Iusaas" [GOE:1.85], a pre-Islamic Arab deity by the name of "Iusaas", thought by some to be the same as the Egyptian god Tehuti/Thoth [GOE:2.289], and a female counterpart to Tem, named "Iusaaset" [GOE:1.354]. But no reference to Horus as being "Iusa"... ]
He delivered a "Sermon on the Mount" and his followers recounted the "Sayings of Iusa."
Horus was transfigured on the Mount.
He was crucified between two thieves, buried for three days in a tomb, was resurrected. None of these three can be found, either. On the last Miller writes:
I can find no references to Horus EVER dying, until he later becomes "merged" with Re the Sun god, after which he 'dies' and is 'reborn' every single day as the sun rises. And even in this 'death', there is no reference to a tomb anywhere...
I found in Budge one idea that Horus had died and been cast in pieces in the water, and his parts were fished out by Sebek the crocodile god at Isis' request. But that's a funny sort of baptism at best (see above). Another source notes a story where Horus is bitten by a snake and revived, which is still not much of a parallel.

Titles: Way, the Truth the Light; Messiah; God's Anointed Son; Son of Man; Good Shepherd; Lamb of God; Word made flesh; Word of Truth. I found thesed titles: [Bud.ERR, 78] Great God, Chief of the Powers, Master of Heaven, Avenger of His Father (since he beat up Set, who "killed" Osiris). He may have been called rightly "Son of Man" as the son of royalty (see here) but I have found no evidence for this.
Was "the Fisher" and was associated with the Fish ("Ichthys"), Lamb and Lion.
He came to fulfill the Law.
Was called "the KRST" or "Anointed One."
Was supposed to reign one thousand years. I have found no evidence for any of these last four.
Conclusion: This one seems to be full of ringers so far, and it's high time the mythicists backed these up with more than third-hand sabre-rattling from the Barbara Walkers and the Gerald Masseys. So I challenge them now to come up with the gods -- er, goods. Any takers?


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Originally posted by Afroman:
The representation of the Madonna (Mary) and Child (Jesus) are exactly identical to those of Aset (Isis) and baby Heru (Horus), which dates back more than 4100 BC.

Again, this has NOTHING to do with Mary. Egyptian portrayals are actually importation of Sumerian Mother Goddess mythology. Egyptian mythological representation of Isis and Horus are IDENTICAL to the Semiramis ("QUeen of HEaven") and Tammuz representations.

PWNED. U n00b.

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Originally posted by Afroman:
All similarities between Jesus and Heru were assigned to the character of Christ at the Council of Nicene held in 325 A.D. The council is claimed to be the world's 1st Christian convention. The question that comes to mind here is, "If Egypt is so heathen and pagan because of its spiritual beliefs, why were attributes from their spirituality copied knowingly into the Christian faith?"


Pagan things were indeed copied into CATHOLICISM, but NOT from Egypt. And it had NOTHING to do with Jesus and Horus.

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Originally posted by Afroman:
Yet another insult that is ignorantly slapped on other religions by Christians, is when they claim that other religions worship elements of Mother Nature, namely the Sun. Upon close examination, many of the happenings that are claimed to be part of the "Christ story" places Christ as being not the "son" of God; but rather the "sun" of God.

Slap in the face my @$$. U are a n00b and the guy you are quoting is a TOTAL n00b. God FORBIDS the worship of the created heavenly bodies. Including the SUN!

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Originally posted by Afroman:
Jesus' birth is celebrated on the 25th of December. Jesus is also said to have been born of a virgin. During the time of his birth a bright star rose directly overhead, as the story goes, this star was used by the three (3) wise-men to guide them straight to the manger that Christ was born in.

SEE above, it's a bogus claim. HORUS WAS NOT BORN OF A VIRGIN.

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Originally posted by Afroman:
The importance of the Sun to human society must be appreciated; without the sun there would be no life on this planet. The movement of the sun dictates the four (4) seasons, it regulates when agricultural practices take place, and even the very means by which we calculate time is regulated by the sun. Throughout history there has always been a tendency for humans to have an allusiveness for and are not comfortable in the dark. This I believe stems from the fact that we are not nocturnal creatures, this caused us to associate darkness with death, which therefore meant humans associated light (sun) with life. And indeed, the sun in the sky of the planet we call home does not belong to any the only one who can lay claim to the ownership of the sun is God. It is truly the sun of God.

THis guy's an idiot. Sun moon stars etc were for the service of the earth and observing of times, NOT for worshipping. We must worship the CREATOR, not the created! THE SUN IS NOT THE CREATOR!

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Originally posted by Afroman:
Jesus of the Bible was crucified on a cross and at the moment of his death all went dark (something that you would expect to happen if we lost the sun). After his death his body was placed in a tomb, where it laid for three (3) days, on the third day of his death Jesus is said to comeback to life. The actual date for the death of Jesus does something peculiar, in that it never stays the same from year to year. For example, the death of Jesus was recorded as 17th April in 1992, then in 1997 it was 28th March, 13th April in 2001, 29th of March 2002 and now in 2003 the death of Jesus is claimed to have happened on the 18th of April. One would expect the death of a man to have happened on one day and not many, just as the birth happened on one particular day. The birth of Jesus occurs after the Friday after Passover, which itself has the same kind of shift in its date.


OMG THIS IDIOT IS A COMPLETE UTTER n00bie! HE TOTALLY DOESN'T KNOW THAT THE JEWS AND PROTOJEWS (ISRAELITES) USED A F***ING LUNAR CALENDAR!!!!!!!!! It's the same reason the Chinese NEW year and Muslim Ramadan and Jewish Chanukah are ON DIFFERENT DATES IN OUR G REGORIAN CALENDAR!!! AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH N00Bs!!!!!!!!!!!!

*shakes head in disbelief at the n00b*

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Originally posted by Afroman:
Interestingly enough, at the time Passover is celebrated, the sun "passes" over the equator, which creates a cross if lines are extended from East to West, then from North to South. This movement of the sun across the equator marks the start of what can be called, "The death of the Sun"; because at this time the days begin to become shorter meaning that the amount of light that we are experience becomes less therefore the association of this time with death. The time of the death of Jesus has more to do with the sun than it has to do with the man. As mentioned before the death of Jesus seems to occur at different dates each year, why does not this bother any of those in authority in the "Christendom". Who in their right mind calculates the death of a man at different dates each year; its so bad that he dies in different months. This just shows how "intelligent" people follow whatever is handed to them without question.


This f***er needs to learn something about HEBREW. He is an ignorant n00bz0r! H4x0rZ
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Originally posted by Afroman:
There are three (3) days which have the longest nights and that the sun no longer seems to go any farther below the equator, the sun seems to stand still, no movement is symbolic of death or the death of the sun, this occurs from the 22nd of December to the 24th of December. At this time the sun has reached the limits of its journey below the equator. The sun of god is dead for three (3) days. On the 25th of December the sun starts its northward journey, resulting in a shortening of the length of time of nights. The resulting extension of light is symbolic of life to humans. This occurrence on 25th of December is known as the birth of the sun and was celebrated the world over as the birth of the Sun of God (Son of God); and therefore the story follows that after the son died he spent three (3) days in the grave and then came back to life (resurrected) on the 25th of December. Following this story, the date for the birth of Heru was set at the 25th of December. As the story of Jesus was copied from ultimately from that of Heru, Jesus' birthday was set to the 25th of December as well.


That wasn't Jesus ACTUAL birthday you n00bs. Jesus wasn't born in December--they picked that day cuz they wanted to make people FORGET about the pagan "god" that WAS supposed to be born on that day. According to Chinese astronomers there was a supernova in July of 5 BC. (Jesus was not born in 0 or 1 AD--a small error led to the obfuscation of the fact that he was actually born in what is calculated to be around 5 BC.) Assuming this supernova can account for the Star of Bethlehem, (the chinese said it was bright enough to be seen in the daytime), and taking into account the Wise men would have showed up in Palestine in October, (by our calendar), then Jesus would have been born in July--since the star appeared when he was born. That would be at the time the Jewish month of Tishri, which contains the Day of Atonement(the tenth), the day when the High Priest made sacrifices for the sins of the people. Now would it not be in God's perfect timing for his Son, who would be the ultimate sacrifice for ALL mankind for ALL time, to be born in the month containing the Day of Atonement?

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Originally posted by Afroman:
Another annual celestial occurrence, which occurs on December 25th, is the rising of the brightest star in the heavens (sirus). When the movements of the Sun are observed it is seen that at the time the Sun is in the sign of Virgo, the virgin and that Sirus is directly above the Sun. Meaning that sirus marked the position of the Sun and could be followed to find the "Sun" (of God). It would also seem that Sirus is indeed being followed; the three (3) stars in Orion's belt point directly to Sirus. The three (3) stars seem to represent the wise men that followed a bright star on December 25th and subsequently found the "Son" of God. [QUOTE]

Bogus, since Jesus was not born on Dec. 25. However since God created the Heavens and the stars therein, it is likely that the consellations tell a DIFFERENT story than pagan myth thinks they do.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Afroman:
As far as Christians are concerned the term "Amen" means "So be it", or rather, in the name of the almighty, as none can stop God's will. The root of the term is far more interesting. Anyone slightly familiar with the spirituality of Ancient Ta-Merry (Egypt) can tell of Amen; most "Egyptologists" know Amen as the "Sun God". Amen represented the supreme deity (almighty) of Ta-Merry. From the ancient times in Ta-Merry prayers were ended with the word Amen. Indeed to the ancients, signing a in the name of Amen meant that the will of God will be fulfilled, in other words, as Amen says it, so it is. To date Christians who scorn others for worshipping the Sun give praise to not only the supreme deity of a land which they claim to be pagan, but to a Sun God as well.


OH BOY what a n00b. Who the f*** calls it "Ta-Merry", anyhow? Originally Egypt was called MIZRAIM in the Bible in the Original Hebrew!!!!!

If so, we want to know where this prayer is recorded, and so would experts in Egyptian religion. The Hebrew "Amen" is never used as a salutation and means "let it be so" which means it is not "invoked" as a deity is. Beyond that, let's see an etymological connection based on the original languages, not on the correspondence of English characters.

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Originally posted by Afroman:
It is simple enough to prove merely go to an Encyclopaedic Dictionary and look up the word Amen. You will find two (2) versions of the term; one with a common "a" (amen) and the other with a capital "A" (Amen). "a"-men is directed as meaning "so be it" and "A"-men is directed as referring to the supreme deity of Ta-Merry (Egypt). Strangely enough, in the Holy Bible the word Amen is never spelt with a common "a" but always with a capital. In one case in the Bible Jesus Christ himself identifies as Amen, the following is an excerpt from the "Holy Bible, authorized King James version, in the Revelation of St. John the Divine; chapter 3 verses 12 to 15. "Him that cometh will I (Jesus) make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon the him the name of my God and the name of my city of my God, which is God: and I will write upon him my new name. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches. And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;" It would appear that Jesus' name is Amen, the Sun God or the Sun of God. For Jesus to identify himself with Amen can surely be no mistake as Jesus is said to have spent years of his life in Ta-Merry. Surely he must have noticed the name of the Supreme Deity of a land he spent years in. Even Moses comes again under scrutiny, he is said to have been "learned in all the wisdom of the Egyptians". While being taught by the priests and rising to the heights of the Mysteries System, is it suggested that Moses did not know that the name of a "Pagan" God known the world over at the time he is said to have lived, did he not know that the name of the God of the land he was born and raised and where he studied to be a priest. Would not the name of the Supreme Deity of a land be taught to the priests of that land. It seems that the same way Stole the "Ten Commandments" he stole "Amen". Which would therefore suggest that the God that Moses served and taught the world to serve is the same God that the Egyptians served. Now the famous words recited after Christian prayer; "in Jesus name we pray...Amen", look a bit different.


If so, we want to know where this prayer is recorded, and so would experts in Egyptian religion. The Hebrew "Amen" is never used as a salutation and means "let it be so" which means it is not "invoked" as a deity is. Beyond that, let's see an etymological connection based on the original languages, not on the correspondence of English characters.

The God of the Bible is not Ra the Sun God. The "IT SHALL BE SO" has nothing to do with Amon. Even in that Revelations passage you can STILL read it as "THE IT-SHALL-BE-SO Says..."

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Originally posted by Afroman:
As a Christian would tell anyone, they base their beliefs on the Holy Bible being the word of God and therefore it would be the truth. If, however, there is no evidence outside of the Bible to prove what the Bible says as truth, the authorship of the book as being God is doubtful. If the Bible contradicts itself then either God does not know the exact events which took place (which is impossible) or God did not write the book, but men did, men with different perspectives, opinions and objectives. The latter option seems more the more probable of the two (2) given seeing as how the former is impossible.

My reference for all of the following quotations is the King James version of the Bible.

In Exodus chapter 33 verse 20 it states, "he (God) said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me and live". Then in John chapter 5 verse 37 it states, "Ye have neither heard his (God) voice at any time, nor seen his (God) shape. In both of the above instances there seems to be a confirmation in the fact that God cannot be seen, but I do not yet understand how God said that "Thou canst not see my face" to someone and that person records the event in the Bible if God's voice has never been heard by any. God further displays "His" confusion when in Exodus chapter 33 verse 11 it states, "And the Lord spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend." Then speaking of God in Timothy chapter 6 verse 16 it states, "who only hath seen immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can see: to whom honour and power everlasting. Amen." (Note that Egyptian Mythology, Amen is also known as the hidden one and to have power everlasting). Would not God know if he can be seen or not, it would seem more likely that man with his ever changing philosophical concepts would make such mistakes; nevertheless, the confusion continues. It would seem that God wishes us to use our brains to decipher what is truth from what is lie, and since we have extreme opposites in a case where it either is or is not, and God cannot be wrong then it therefore means that the Bible is not the word of God. To put it simply, somebody lied and mislead the entire Christendom when whoever it was stated by them that the Bible is the sacred word of God.

What a moron. "Face to face" doesn't mean Moses actually SAW God's face! The time that God actually LET somebody look at him he only let them see his BACK!

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Originally posted by Afroman:
The confusion continues when we address the life and time of Jesus Christ. When our eyes and mathematical skills are functioning properly it seems that God does not even know the birth date of "His" own son, for between the books of St. Luke and St. Matthew God somehow lost fifteen (15) generations. St. Luke tabulates fifty-five (55) generations from Isaac, son of Abraham chapter 3 verse 38; while St. Matthew tabulates forty (40) from Isaac; chapter 1 verses 1 to 16. Now to further confuse things for us in Matthew chapter 2 verse 1 it states, "Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem." and then Luke records the birth of Jesus as occurring at a time after "Cyrenius" was named governor of Syria in chapter 2 verses 1 to 4. The confusion in this particular instance comes to light when it is realized that Herod died in the year 4 B.C. and that Cyrenius did not become governor of Syria until 7 A.D. We just lost at least 10 years. This coupled with the loss of fifteen (15) generation leaves the date when Jesus was born in limbo.


The problem originates not with God but with a problem between the Masoretic and Septuagint texts. The people compiling the Septuagint ARBITRARILY added a period of 700 years.

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Originally posted by Afroman:
As is Jesus Christ was not hard enough to find outside of the Bible, here again the Bible throws more suspicion as to the authorship of the Bible.


I suppose Josephus is nobody? I suppose the Romans GAVE A $#** about what they saw as a minor religious upstart?

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Originally posted by Afroman:
The question of who went to tomb on the first day of the week after Jesus crucifixion to anoint his body, has no clear answer for Matthew (chapter 28 verse 1) says "Mary Magdalene and the other Mary", while Mark (chapter 16 verses 1 and 2) says " Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, Luke (chapter 23 verse 52 to chapter 24 verse 1) says a group of women, while John (chapter 20 verse 1) only remarks that Mary Magdalene went to anoint the body of Jesus. Then to ask the question, who gave whoever went to anoint the body the news the news of Jesus' resurrection, here again the Bible provides no sensible conclusion. Matthew (chapter 28 verse 5 and 6) states that an angel gave the news. Mark (chapter 16 verses 4 and 5) states that it was one man. Luke (chapter 24 verses 3 and 4) states that it was two (2) men. John (chapter 20 verses 11 and 12) states that instead it was two (2) angels.


They went SEPARATE TIMES (between the accounts of Mark and Luke/John). The account in Mark says that the women told nobody. (the FIRST time!) But somebody WENT BACK to make sure and THEN they told somebody! There is NOTHING in the bible to DISCOUNT that possibility! There is also nothing in the bible that REQUIRES that EVERYBODY be mentioned!
It is interesting to note that the NIV version says "The most reliable early manuscripts do NOT have Mark 16:9-20"--which is AFTER that.

Now while you and your n00b sources are b*tching bout the "accuracy" of the Bible, take this into account please. If the Bible TRULY is a work of MAN and NOT of GOD, then WHY THE F*** did the Disciples, in that selfsame ressurection story across all chapters and books, BELIEVE THAT SOMEONE HAD SNATCHED JESUS' BODY, instead of believing he'd risen, and the PHARISEES were the ones who went "OH $#** he rose...dammit" and BELIEVED He had risen (but didn't like it)???? Seems a little backwards if it's ONLY a book to try to change people's minds for no good reason... Razz
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Originally posted by Afroman:
by Brandford Howell
is a n00b.

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