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Ummm, Congo ... In your vast research, did you not notice that you plucked the above "article" from a BLOG? If you had [and if you had any sense of intellectual/academic honesty], you no doubt would have been embarrassed to discover that you pulled a personal observation posted to a BLOG from a BLOG http://daniel-venezuela.blogspot.com/ [BTW, who the hell is Daniel?] lol 20 lol

But having said that, Yes, I believe that the Leftist countries tend to invest in its citizenry by providing education, higher education and medical care.

And, Yes, one can get an on-line master's degree in a year. How about Ellis College, a division of NY Institute of Technology http://www.edref.com/school_list/nyit-ellis-college,

Or, the far less expensive University of Phoenix, MBA Program. Both are MBA programs offered on-line and can be completed in one year.

But again Congo, do not facts and reality let the wind out of your fantasy rants.
TheCongo,

The more right-wing claptrap you spew, the more idiotic you loook.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Cuba#Connection_with_Venezuela


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The relationship cultivated between Cuba and Venezuela in recent years has resulted in agreements that Venezuela provide cheap oil in exchange for Cuban "missions" of doctors which aid and help to improve the Venezuelan health care system. Cuba, with the second-highest per capita number of physicians in the world (behind Italy), sends tens of thousands of doctors to other countries as aid, as well as for obtaining favorable economic terms of trade.


And this is a from a more reputable, reliable and objective source than a blog called "Venezuela Crisis".

Now granted, Cuba is still a Leninist state and has many problems with labor and heavy government control. Most labor unions, even if worker-controlled, are still owned and managed by the state and 'Communist' Party hierarchy. But the problems are not nearly as bad as the Western media tries to make it out to be.

As Kweli4Real said:

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But you should probably note that Venzuelan and Cuban doctors DO NOT have 6 figure medical school debts. You see those damned left-leaning pinko-commie-socialist countries foolishly see higher education, including, but especially, the study of medicine, as an investment in their society and their people. So they have a national policy to subsidize the education. Silly commie bastards.


Yes, it's so ignorant of those socialist and Leninist countries to care about people instead of the Neoliberal version of the "free market".
Tsk, Tsk. A good attempt at attacking the source (your favorite hobby).
Be a real debator and produce some facts yourself.

Chavez is right [or left however you want to look at it], the United States should leave the U.N. The organization is a poor example of how a worldly community communicates with itself. And the performance levels of its actions is either graded as POOR or NON-EXISTENT... (How long do you have to scream in Darfar before you get help from the U.N.?)
Kil Re Rabit: "I believe that the Leftist countries tend to invest in its citizenry by providing education, higher education and medical care."
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First off, I could give a rat's ass about Left and Right propaganda. Both are off the mark in a lot of ways. Right-wing seems inhumane; Left-wing totally unrealistic individuals. So don't type cast me, Kweli4Real!

Second, Kweli4Real statement indicates that Cuba cares about its people... then... Empty Purnata uses a quote from a 'more' reliable source, wikipedia lol

Empty Purnata: "Venezuela provide cheap oil in exchange for Cuban "missions" of doctors which aid and help to improve the Venezuelan health care system."
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lol Notice 'cheap' in bold. Notice the fact that once these people are shipped overseas they miss their families. You guys are contradicting each other. lol

Cuba doesn't 'invest' in its citizenry. It uses them just as badly as the United States. Kweli4Real saying Cuba invests...
lol
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Originally posted by The_Congo:
Kil Re Rabit: "I believe that the Leftist countries tend to invest in its citizenry by providing education, higher education and medical care."
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First off, I could give a rat's ass about Left and Right propaganda. Both are off the mark in a lot of ways. Right-wing seems inhumane; Left-wing totally unrealistic individuals. So don't type cast me, Kweli4Real!

Second, Kweli4Real statement indicates that Cuba cares about its people... then... Empty Purnata uses a quote from a 'more' reliable source, wikipedia lol

Empty Purnata: "Venezuela provide cheap oil in exchange for Cuban "missions" of doctors which aid and help to improve the Venezuelan health care system."
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lol Notice 'cheap' in bold. Notice the fact that once these people are shipped overseas they miss their families. You guys are contradicting each other. lol

Cuba doesn't 'invest' in its citizenry. It uses them just as badly as the United States. Kweli4Real saying Cuba invests...
lol


You claim you don't care about Right-Left dichotomies, but you only seem to bash people on the Left. And, your right wing bias was shown when you said:

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Originally posted by The_Congo:
Right-wing seems inhumane; Left-wing totally unrealistic individuals.


You think left-wing people are totally unrealistic with unworkable paradigms, but you think right-wing paradigms are workable, just inhumane. That definitely shows me that you lean further to the right than left Mr. "Neutral".

But anyway, yeah Venezuela exports cheap oil to Cuba. So what? A lot of US citizens expect cheap oil as a God-given "right" and I don't see you complaining about that. Venezuela gets world-class doctors in exchange. If you're going to be silly and complain about the Cuban doctors missing their families, then you ought to complain about international work in general and Doctors Without Borders specifically. Roll Eyes

Seriously, that was your lamest left-baiting yet.
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Originally posted by The_Congo:
"A lot of US citizens expect cheap oil as a God-given "right""
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Source please.


Do you live in America? Don't you hear the complaints about gas prices and the attitude that many Americans have toward gas prices in general? Gas prices are one of the main reasons people support the War in Iraq, thinking it will bring the gas prices down. It's called Blood for Oil.

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By the way, Communism collapsed in the Soviet Union. The United States' economy is still incredibly strong.


Thank you for parroting Francis Fukuyama, Samuel Huntington and Milton Friedman, but that's incredibly inaccurate. The Soviet Union never had a communist system to begin with, they claimed to be "state socialist" systems. They claimed to be in Marx's (well, Lenin's interpretation of Marx's) "socialist stage of production" on the way to communism. They never claimed to be a communist system because the concept of a "communist state" is an oxymoron. Communism is a classless, stateless, post-monetary society based on common ownership of the means of production. "Communist state" or "Totalitarian Communism" is like saying "Anarcho-Fascism", but it's one of those hegemonic oxymorons that are perpetuated in our society.

The Soviet Union was the collapse of a single Leninist federation of states. There are still Leninist states such as Cuba and Angola. In fact, all the collapse of the Soviet Union and the decline of Maoism in China shows is the undesirability of Leninism and Stalinism since those are the type of systems they had as well as the strength and pervasiveness of Western imperialism (another major factor in it's decline).

In fact, it would be better to call Leninism, Stalinism and Maoism "coordinatorism" since they are not even true forms of socialism. Socialism is defined as "a social system in which the producers possess both political power and the means of producing and distributing goods." [American Heritage Dictionary] Clearly, this was not the case for those states, nor is it the case for the present Leninist states. Ownership of the means of production and political power is possessed by a small class of managers, intellectuals, bureaucrats, organizers and technocrats in Leninist states (and in many capitalist states as well although capitalist still have power over them):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coordinatorism

And no, the US economy is not strong. We are $8 Trillion in debt, inflation is increasingly rising, the HDI is declining, real GDP per capita and GNI respective of inflation and cost of living are falling, credit debt is rising, small businesses are drowning and the American middle starta is decaying and the working class is starving:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14384029/

http://www.newint.org/issue281/death.htm

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1132/is_11_54/ai_100389492

http://www.oecdobserver.org/news/fullstory.php/aid/1895

http://www.zmag.org/sustainers/content/2004-05/06sklar.cfm
Congo, I know for some focus and reading comprehension is difficult; but try to follow along. Tap out if this gets too challenging.

My comment about Cuba's investing in its citizenry was in response to your "6-figure [medical school] debt" non sequitur. Remember, you said:
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If you actually went to school to become a doctor and then had to pay that six figure school loan, would you go to Venezuela where you would be paid nothing?


And, I responded:
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But you should probably note that Venzuelan and Cuban doctors DO NOT have 6 figure medical school debts.


Then I went on to state:
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You see those damned left-leaning pinko-commie-socialist countries foolishly see higher education, including, but especially, the study of medicine, as an investment in their society and their people.


Understand?

Notice that conspicuously absent from my comments was any mention of "Cuba car[ing] about its people." [How a nation-state can be assigned human attributes, is beyond me, but ...]

Again, I know that abstract concepts require advanced reasoning skills, but investment and caring are not necessarily co-related. I invest every 3K miles [or so] in an oil change for my car, but my investment is not indicative of any particular affection toward my car; rather, the investment is intended to ensure that my car works when I need it to. Likewise, a government's investment in its citizenry is not indicative of its caring for its people; but rather, a using of its resources to ensure a public, educated in fields that promote a national interest. Medical training certainly fits this bill.

[Tap out at any time]
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Originally posted by Empty Purnata:
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Originally posted by The_Congo:
"A lot of US citizens expect cheap oil as a God-given "right""
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Source please.


Do you live in America? Don't you hear the complaints about gas prices and the attitude that many Americans have toward gas prices in general? Gas prices are one of the main reasons people support the War in Iraq, thinking it will bring the gas prices down. It's called Blood for Oil.

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By the way, Communism collapsed in the Soviet Union. The United States' economy is still incredibly strong.


Thank you for parroting Francis Fukuyama, Samuel Huntington and Milton Friedman, but that's incredibly inaccurate. The Soviet Union never had a communist system to begin with, they claimed to be "state socialist" systems. They claimed to be in Marx's (well, Lenin's interpretation of Marx's) "socialist stage of production" on the way to communism. They never claimed to be a communist system because the concept of a "communist state" is an oxymoron. Communism is a classless, stateless, post-monetary society based on common ownership of the means of production. "Communist state" or "Totalitarian Communism" is like saying "Anarcho-Fascism", but it's one of those hegemonic oxymorons that are perpetuated in our society.

The Soviet Union was the collapse of a single Leninist federation of states. There are still Leninist states such as Cuba and Angola. In fact, all the collapse of the Soviet Union and the decline of Maoism in China shows is the undesirability of Leninism and Stalinism since those are the type of systems they had as well as the strength and pervasiveness of Western imperialism (another major factor in it's decline).

In fact, it would be better to call Leninism, Stalinism and Maoism "coordinatorism" since they are not even true forms of socialism. Socialism is defined as "a social system in which the producers possess both political power and the means of producing and distributing goods." [American Heritage Dictionary] Clearly, this was not the case for those states, nor is it the case for the present Leninist states. Ownership of the means of production and political power is possessed by a small class of managers, intellectuals, bureaucrats, organizers and technocrats in Leninist states (and in many capitalist states as well although capitalist still have power over them):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coordinatorism

And no, the US economy is not strong. We are $8 Trillion in debt, inflation is increasingly rising, the HDI is declining, real GDP per capita and GNI respective of inflation and cost of living are falling, credit debt is rising, small businesses are drowning and the American middle starta is decaying and the working class is starving:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14384029/

http://www.newint.org/issue281/death.htm

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1132/is_11_54/ai_100389492

http://www.oecdobserver.org/news/fullstory.php/aid/1895

http://www.zmag.org/sustainers/content/2004-05/06sklar.cfm


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"We are $8 Trillion in debt, inflation is increasingly rising, the HDI is declining, real GDP per capita and GNI respective of inflation and cost of living are falling, credit debt is rising, small businesses are drowning and the American middle starta is decaying and the working class is starving:"
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Don't forget, the United States is also has two armies in two different countries... spending an enormous amount of money on these campaigns... yet, I fail to see rations in this country. Business as usual in the good ol' U.S. of A.
This another blog? thanks


As Cuba loans doctors abroad, some patients object at home

By Indira A.R. Lakshmanan, Globe Staff | August 25, 2005

HAVANA -- Free universal healthcare has long been the crowning achievement of this socialist state, but the system is now under fire from Cubans who complain that quality and access are suffering as they lose tens of thousands of medical workers to Venezuela in exchange for cheap oil, which this impoverished country desperately needs.


http://www.boston.com/news/world/articles/2005/08/25/as...ents_object_at_home/
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Originally posted by The_Congo:
"We are $8 Trillion in debt, inflation is increasingly rising, the HDI is declining, real GDP per capita and GNI respective of inflation and cost of living are falling, credit debt is rising, small businesses are drowning and the American middle starta is decaying and the working class is starving:"
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Don't forget, the United States is also has two armies in two different countries... spending an enormous amount of money on these campaigns... yet, I fail to see rations in this country. Business as usual in the good ol' U.S. of A.


The economic benefits of imperialism and neo-colonialism are significant aren't they?
CNN a blog? I didn't know that?! spank

Come on, you got cheap and free education, why complain that you have a low wage. If you were a Medical Administrator and was in need of hiring professional personnel, who you gonna call? A school in Cuba who provides cheap and free education or a school that provides high-tech, pushing the envelope medical science... Let's take a look at the 'basic skills those doctors in Cuba have... yep, that is about all they have... the basics.

My health will not be looked over by a guy who has basic skills. I will, however, refer you to him since you like them so much.




Sunday Morning News
Cuban Doctors Seeking Opportunities Abroad Due to Low Wages at Home
Aired July 9, 2000 - 9:24 a.m. ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.

KYRA PHILLIPS, CNN ANCHOR: For years, the Castro government has bragged about the number of doctors per capita in Cuba, but those numbers are starting to shrink, as some doctors are sick and tired of working for low wages.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0007/09/sm.08.html
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Originally posted by The_Congo:
Strange, your source, wikipedia has the Soviet Union listed in its definition of communism.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_state


Before you start doing a victory dance:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_state#Disputes_o...22Communist_state.22

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Some writers argue that the term "Communist state" is a contradiction in terms. These writers treat the term as synonymous with Communism's theoretical goal of stateless communism, a society that is propertyless, classless and stateless [1], where everyone works according to their ability and receive according to their need. Marx and Engels's theory does, however, include a transitional phase known as the dictatorship of the proletariat. The Communist state claims to be the practical enactment of this dictatorship of the proletariat.

Certain socialists have rejected the idea that historical Communist Party states represented genuine communism, claiming that their governments became corrupt and distorted communist ideals. Trotskyists, for example, were opposed to the Soviet government following Joseph Stalin's consolidation of power, as well as the Communist Party states established by the USSR in Eastern Europe following World War II. Other leftists, such as anarcho-communists, have also opposed historical Communist Party state, similarly arguing that their governments were oppressive and corrupt.

There have been and still exist countries where Communist parties have come to power through democratic elections, and ruled in the context of a multi-party democracy. The East European country of Moldova has been governed since 2001 by an elected Communist party. It does not qualify as a Communist state in the context of this article, because the Communist party exists as one of multiple parties and does not have a monopoly on political power.


Notice that the article goes on to later show that most users of the term "Communist state" are anti-Communists (which hardly makes them objective) and Conservatives. Some Liberals use the term as well, but they tend to be more respective and point out that the term is inaccurate. The article even points out "statless communism" in the first paragraph.

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Don't forget, the United States is also has two armies in two different countries... spending an enormous amount of money on these campaigns... yet, I fail to see rations in this country. Business as usual in the good ol' U.S. of A.


Yes, imperialism, outsourcing and foreign debt borrowing are what is currently keeping the US and other European states afloat. When that crumbles (and it will, that can't last forever, it's only a temporary fix) we may very well fall into another Great Depression. Notice that third and second world capitalist states which are not imperialistic (including the new Russia) are feeling the full effects. Imperialism, foreign debt and defecit spending are pretty much the only things buffering the US population from the full effect of what is going on. And that will only last another 20 years at best, maybe only 8-10 at the rate we are going.

But anyway, yes we don't have ration lines in this country, we simply let people starve. Do you realize how many starving, hungry and malnourished children there are in this country? A positive thing that I can say about the Soviet Union (and believe me, I have positive things to say about both US capitalism and Soviet coordinatorism, but the negative outweighs the positive) is that at least they didn't allow their people to starve, they at least created food lines during times of economic downturn. The US used to do that too during the FDR years. Business only appears to be usual if you take how US televison portrays the American life. If you take a look at the news, there's a different story going on.

If you let television tell it, most Americans are middle-middle class or upper middle class because that's how they portray American families on sitcoms and TV shows.
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Originally posted by The_Congo:
"Do you live in America? Don't you hear the complaints about gas prices"
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Currently, yes. However, I was born here. Strange, gas prices are reaching almost $2... Nice try.


I noticed you didn't provide a source. Nice RED HERRING.


I don't know where the hell you're living, but I want to live there! Average gas prics around the country are $3.00/gallon or more:

http://www.eia.doe.gov/oil_gas/petroleum/data_publicati...mogas_home_page.html

http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/energy/2006-07-23-gas-prices_x.htm

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Nationwide, the lowest average price for regular was $2.77 a gallon in Charleston, S.C., while the highest average "” $3.28 a gallon "” was in San Diego.


The articles make it sound like gas prices will continue to fall, but this is of course naively optimistic (and probably purposely so) because they said the same thing a few years ago when gas went above $2.00/gallon. They claimed that gas would go under $2.00/gallon again and not climb anymore; we see how that turned out. lol

All of this ignores that fact that not only are gas prices gouging citizens (it's really more expensive than it should be), it keeps increasing due to dropping gas supply and inflation. Gas prices used to be $0.50/gallon in the 70's. Gas is the most painful indicator that the US economy is inflating, and that our technology is sorely in need of updating as gasoline combustion is becoming increasingly more harmful and increasingly closer to being extinct.
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Strange, gas prices are reaching almost $2... Nice try.


That's true gas prices are reaching almost $2.00/per gallon ... But that's coming DOWN from $3.00. But that trend'll reverse, shortly after the first Tuesday in November.

This [mis]administration and the republican party has convinced its big oil masters to cut the price of gas to give them something on the campaign front to point to other than "The boogey-man is coming" [e.g., terrorism and illegal immigration].

Regardless of who wins the mid term election seats in play, big oil will send the prices right back up.
Empty Purnata: "Your patronizing avatar alone is enough to show that you are probably a racist White person."
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I care little what you think of me, E.P. I am only debating. In the end it all means little.

This website is the only one I know of that has this avatar. I feel for this child being portrayed as a victim. You, obviously, relish it.

Aside this, you are way off the mark.
Kweli4Real: "That's true gas prices are reaching almost $2.00/per gallon ... But that's coming DOWN from $3.00. But that trend'll reverse, shortly after the first Tuesday in November."
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I will bring this post up in the first of December. Gas prices should increase (due to Thanksgiving traffic... i.e. supply & demand) but not significantly to $3.00.

My Victory Dance will be long, hard and vigorous. By the way, Kweli4Real, thanks for giving E.P. a Reality Check. His source (the first link) shows this:


------9/11-------9/18-------9/25
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U.S___$2.61______$2.49______$2.38______


Obviously a decrease is on the way.



dance
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Originally posted by The_Congo:
Empty Purnata: "Some writers argue that the term "Communist state" is a contradiction in terms."
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E.P. Key word; Some. I am not in the mood for debating this. You are reaching...


Do try to remember that Wikipedia tries to stay neutral and inclusive. In an article on Imperialism, they said "Some would say that the US is not an imperialist power." Some.

The "some" that believe "Communist state" is a contradiction in terms are historians, political scientists and socialists. The "some" who don't believe it is a contradiction are conservatives and anti-Communists who don't let little things like facts take the wind out of their anti-Communist rants.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism

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Communism is an ideology that seeks to establish a future classless, stateless social organization, based upon common ownership of the means of production and the absence of private property. It can be classified as a branch of the broader socialist movement. Communism also refers to a variety of political movements which claim the establishment of such a social organization as their ultimate goal.


Thus, any idiot can see that "Communist state" is an oxymoron like "Anarcho-Fascism".

And there is no one "communist movement" or "communist method":

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There is a considerable variety of views among self-identified communists, including Maoism, Trotskyism, council communism, Luxemburgism, anarchist communism, Christian communism, and various currents of left communism, which are generally the more widespread varieties.


However, the reason that most less educated people mean something else when they say "Communist" is:

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However, various offshoots of the Soviet (what critics call the 'Stalinist') and Maoist interpretations of Marxism-Leninism comprise a particular branch of communism that has the distinction of having been the primary driving force for communism in world politics during most of the 20th century.


However, these days those branches of communist political philosophy are unpopular and not considered desireable or applicable.

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