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Today Congressman Charlie Rangel from Harlem endorsed Wesley Clark for President. Additionally, Andrew Young announced his intentions to endorse and campaign with Clark prior to the South Carolina primary.

Question: do black politicians have any responsibility (moral or otherwise) to support either of the black candidates for president? Or, by supporting who they think can win, are they really doing more for their constituents by earning chips that can be cashed in in the future?

What do you think?


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The first duty should be to promote our own.

I'm not saying endorse a Black candidate because they are Black. I mean there should never be an election we deem important that we don't raise a candidate of our own, groom them, to be the candidate that we can endorse and promote.

Could you give a sKeptic like myself a list of these Chips we've been able to "cash in" with these "White" politicians?
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Originally posted by Nmaginate:

Could you give a sKeptic like myself a list of these Chips we've been able to "cash in" with these "White" politicians?


Of course I'm just guessing, but perhaps Clinton locating his office in Harlem is one such "chip".


There is no passion to be found playing small, in settling for a life
that is less than the one you are capable of living. - Mandela
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Originally posted by MBM:
Today Congressman Charlie Rangel from Harlem endorsed Wesley Clark for President. Additionally, Andrew Young announced his intentions to endorse and campaign with Clark prior to the South Carolina primary.

Question: do black politicians have any responsibility (moral or otherwise) to support either of the black candidates for president? Or, by supporting who they think can win, are they really doing more for their constituents by earning chips that can be cashed in in the future?

What do you think?





Shame on Charlie, but I'm sure he spoke to Sharpton about this before it took place, if not I'm sure you will hear quite a hurt response for him soon.

Congressman Rangel's district is Harlem, so that's a pretty bitter pill to swollow for Sharton, IMO.

That type of action is very, very , political and amounts to backstabbing in my book. Both young and rangel could have supported sharpton now and then given support to the nominie later.

Rangel's actions need to be further explained; I remember watching the tyson v holyfield ear bitting fight at The House of Justice (Sharpton's now burned out New York headquarters) with Rangel in attendence (totally casual, just hanging out).

As for Young, I see him as more of a party man (like powell) than a Black man voting his conscious.

However, I would expect them both to vote their actual conscious Sharpton, and Braun respectively.

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Sharpton is starting to feel an awful lot like Jimmy Carter. Nobody wants to be on his bandwagon, and he still keeps chugging along. African American notables will not aligned with Sharpton. He doesn't qualify for the club. He has neve "fallen in line" behind anyone's ideaology except to say the person was "doing good."

From now to January 19 (Iowa) will be very interesting. Ricardomath is sitting front and center, and maybe Nmaginate isn't to far away.

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Based on information I received moments ago, it would appear that Rangle didn't have that 'suck-up' talk with Sharpton prior to his decision. Perhaps because he is the long time politician and is older than Sharpton, but it appears as if Sharpton is upset at the action, and my guess is, and mark these word.

"If Clark does not win the presidency, enable a house majority which in turn will enable Rangel to be Ways and Means Chair, all by the time of his next re-election run, he is going to have a very, very, hard time getting re-elected. To save his bid, he would have to basically 'kiss butt' publically."

It's important to note that this is not the first time that Rangel did this type of thing; he tells Blacks to look at him and be proud, then he fails to deliver for his people as a whole and most specifically for his district.

They say a leapoard never looses his spots, we all I've got to say is, Harlem should have learned their lesson when Rangel did his trickery to take the job away from Adam Clayton Powell Jr..

Our people forgave him, he did right for a while, then went off again. Later, he straighten up again, then went off again. Ironically, always 'straightening up' when the pols are indicating he isn't well received.

I'm willing to bet money that if his Presidental wager isn't correct he will get called for the joker that he is and end up out of the game with only the shirt on his back.
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Originally posted by Solomonic:
Is it possible that they actually believe in Wesley Clark? Do black politicians have to support black candidates by default. What parts of Sharpton's platform should have secured their support?


great question, of course it implies a few things:
1) that you have an idea of Clarks platform,
2) that you have an idea of Sharpton's platform,
and 3) you have an idea of how much being Black should count, or not count, to Black voters and/or non Black voters.

So, could you tell me what part of Clark's platform secured Rangel's and Young's support?

And, could you tell me what value YOU place on being Black.

What value do you believe an elected official who's constiuency is over 80% Black should place on his Blackness and his constiuency's Blackness?

Then tell me how would you define 'sell-out' in the context of a Black elected official with a 85% Black constiuency, ignoring a Black candidate from his own State, City, and District in favor of someone outside of his District, City, State, and Race?
Hmmm ...

Well, seeing as how Clark has never had any real political experience or affiliation, it's hard for me to understand how or why such an alliance between those three could or would take place! Eek

I'm not sure I understand what there is to endorse for Young or Rangel given a lack of a previous relationship. Other than that, I understand Solomonic's question ... but don't think that's the answer.

Seems to me this move has politics written all over it!

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great question, of course it implies a few things:


No it doesn't imply any of those things.
1.) If I supported Clark's platform I would have declared just that.
2.) If I had an idea what Sharpton's platform was I would not have asked what part of it should have secured their support.
3.) Being black should count very little. If we voted color over platform we would set ourselves up for the all the J.C. Watts of the world.

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So, could you tell me what part of Clark's platform secured Rangel's and Young's support?


See #1.

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And, could you tell me what value YOU place on being Black.



See #3.

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What value do you believe an elected official who's constiuency is over 80% Black should place on his Blackness and his constiuency's Blackness?



See #3 Again.

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Then tell me how would you define 'sell-out' in the context of a Black elected official with a 85% Black constiuency, ignoring a Black candidate from his own State, City, and District in favor of someone outside of his District, City, State, and Race?


I'm going into full Socratic mode here: I freely admit that I don't know so since you profess that they sold Sharpton out why don't you tell me what is so great about Al that they should have rallied around him.

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