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Girl Wants To Start Caucasian Club At High School

POSTED: 8:41 a.m. EDT September 18, 2003

OAKLEY, Calif. -- Lisa McClelland says she isn't a racist. She says her campaign for a Caucasian Club at her California high school is a move toward diversity, not bigotry.
She says everyone is invited -- and nobody will be excluded.

McClelland's ethnic background includes American Indian, Hispanic, Dutch, German, Italian and Irish. She says she and her friends feel slighted by other clubs at Freedom High School in Oakley, such as the Black Student Union and the Asian Club.


McClelland says she's collected 245 signatures of support from students, adults and others since announcing her plans three weeks ago.


One person who won't be signing up is Darnell Turner, first vice president of the local chapter of the NAACP. Turner says he thinks the club will create racial tension.

Should a California high school student be allowed to start a Caucasian Club?
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Why not? White people have clubs allover the place. This is nothing new. They have them in America, Europe , Asia right down to Africa. That is where they get their power i.e. getting togther (clubbing), plan and move forward. Let the girl have her white club, hopefully blacks could learn a lesson or two from this girl.

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I have no problem with it at all. Be my guess. And I don't care what the group advocates, explicitly or implicitly.

Really, it's silly to oppose it. We live in a free country right? Seems to me that there is too much attention paid to such things under the false pretense that "minorities" will feel threatened by such groups. Perhaps some may and perhaps there are reason to question the motives of White students that feel like the need such groups.

The bottom line is who cares or has the right to prohibit it as long as the group does what it says. That's where the test is. The tendency will perhaps eventually turnout that a group like that will become confrontational towards Black groups or what have you especially if it tends to be political...

Anyway... I would be interested in some good reporting that gives background info. on the demographics of her school and the make-up of clubs within it. Chances are she is just trying to make a statement because if the school has your standard clubs then more than likely they are integrated and probably have a majority of Whites that make up the clubs. But that's just me speculating...

THAWATCHER??? What do you think about it??

Thanks for posting that... I was looking for something on it when they ran a blurb on my local news about it.

HENRY...
What lesson do you think needs to be learned??
This reminds me of an old news story from March of this year.

White History Year Resumes



WASHINGTON, DC"”With Black History Month over, U.S. citizens are putting aside thoughts of Harriet Tubman and George Washington Carver to resume the traditional observation of White History Year.



Above: A stamp honoring European-American aviation pioneer Charles Lindbergh is unveiled as part of White History Year celebrations.

White History Year, which runs annually from Jan. 1 through Dec. 31, with a 28-day break for Black History Month in February, is dedicated to the recognition of European-Americans' contributions to American politics and culture.

"Frederick Douglass and Martin Luther King Jr. are all well and good," said Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist at a banquet celebrating the arrival of White History Year, "but now is the time to reflect on the accomplishments of such whites as Babe Ruth, Alexander Graham Bell, and Presidents Washington through Bush. Let's use these next 11 months to remember the other American history."

"Whites have contributed so much to this country," Frist continued. "Did you, for example, know that a white man, Jonas Salk, discovered the cure for polio? It's true."

From now until Feb. 1, 2004, educators will eschew discussions of Rosa Parks in favor of Andrew Carnegie, Neil Armstrong, and Tim Allen. Schools nationwide will shelve African-American history pamphlets in favor of such Caucasiacentric materials as the Macmillan & Rowe American History Textbook New Revised Standard Edition and Encyclopedia Britannica.

Scholars say there is a remarkable wealth of documented white history to explore.

"There's so much more white history out there than you might imagine," said Dr. James Corman, a Princeton University history professor. "America's publishing houses, newspapers, movie studios, magazines, and radio stations have kept remarkably thorough records of white Americans' accomplishments."

White History Year will also be commemorated on television, with various networks airing special programming recognizing whites' contributions to society. The History Channel will set aside the Tuskegee Airmen documentaries that have dominated its schedule throughout February, instead presenting programs on Chuck Yeager, the white man who broke the sound barrier, and Paul Revere, a key white figure in the nation's fight for independence from England. A&E's Biography will spotlight such white luminaries as Johnny Unitas, Mae West, and Edward R. Murrow. Between prime-time programs, NBC will air White History Minute segments hosted by white actress Bernadette Peters.

Americans of every color will set aside their differences to celebrate White History Year.

"I think it's good to give people a closer look at a culture they usually don't even think about," said Gary, IN, realtor Willie Anderson, a respected member of the city's black community. "I mean, it's right in front of you every day. It's such a huge part of your life. You're surrounded by it from the day you're born until the day you die, so it's easy to take for granted that you already know just about everything there is to know about it."

Added Anderson: "Do you realize that Henry Ford, a white man, invented the 'assembly line,' a mass-production technique that revolutionized industry around the world? They had something about it on TV again last night."

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_HENRY..._
What lesson do you think needs to be learned??
Get together man, get together and work together. Power in numbers man. Everyone is forging ahead it is about time we got togther as black people and moved a few mountains.

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Originally posted by Nmaginate:
Ricardo was that for real? or was it a parody?
(I could only get the current front page of the site... I'll have to use a line within the body I guess to get to the actual article...)

Anyway, here's another link:
http://peoplesforum.com/cgi-bin/forum?50@@.ee6c7df


It's a parady, from the onion. The old link to the article from their website no longer works, which is why I put up the generic link to the onion.


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Any one care to speculate as to the motives or impetus for this?

Anyone know of any examples where this has already been "tried" or an issue?

I read something where a White college group claiming "good intentions" became somewhat confrontational by passing around its literature in an area were a Black club either had 'rights' to attach flyers or on their actual club location. I think the literature was direct political arguments against affirmative action or whatever the Black group may have stood for.

I forget which college... I ran across it while searching for something else...
"Should a California high school student be allowed to start a Caucasian Club?"

Don't see under what rationale or law you could stop a student from doing so.

Will this new club create 'racial tension' as the NAACP stance appears to be? Is the NAACP just being hypocritical on this? Are we too focused on the superficial racial characteristics of people, and not enough on people themselves in this nation?
My two cents: 'Cauasian Club' is a label and should be only that.

My one cent: Why should we care anyways because there are a lot of caucasian clubs anyways like the -- never mind-- you know them. Just take a walk through any college campus or go to the student center and you will find many caucasian clubs. The student wants to use the name to incite a belief that we will be alarm and/or inquisitive about it. Great publicity and that all it is, will probably make a lot of student pay attention.

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..."Freshman Tyleisha Crooks, 14, who is black, signed the petition.

''It'd be tight because they can learn more about their history,'' Tyleisha told the paper.

Elliott Perez, a 14-year-old sophomore who is Latino and white, also supports the club.

''I think it's fair for white people to have their own club because every other race has their own club,'' Elliott told the Times.

Others are uneasy about the proposal which comes in the aftermath of racial tension within the school and district.

Last year, a swastika and anti-minority fliers were found in the boys' restroom at the school.

A black teacher found a noose made out of a shoelace hanging on the doorknob of his classroom in 2001 and a roped noose was discovered hanging from a tree on another high school campus in the district last year, according to the report."...


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[This message was edited by Nmaginate on September 22, 2003 at 10:58 AM.]
I thought thatI'd check the student organizations listing here at ISU. They are listed under several categories. What follows is the list of those listed under the "Multicultural" category:

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Organization Listings

Multicultural


American Indian Rights Organization
Amnesty International
ANATOLIA
Arab Student Association
Argentinean and Uruguayan Association - MATES
Asian Pacific American Awareness Coalition (APAAC)
Association of Malaysian Students at ISU
Association of Norwegian Students Abroad
Black Grad Student Assn
Black Student Alliance
Brazilian-Portuguese Association
Chinese Language and Culture Club
Chinese Students & Scholars Friendship Association
Cross Cultural Allegiance for Student Services
Egyptian Student Association
Filipino Association at ISU Campus Organization
Fraternos Unidos (F.U.)
French Club
Hispanic Heritage Month Committee
Hong Kong Student Association
Identifying as M. E. (Multi-ethnic)
Indian Students Association
Indonesian Student Association
Iowa State Ukrainian Club
Japanese Association
Ka Laulama
Kenyan Students Association
Korean Student Association
Le Grande Internationale Food Club
Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual Transgender Ally Alliance
Mexican-American Young Achievers Society MAYAS
MLS '3
Multicultural Action Group
Multicultural Support Groups
Nepal Student Association
Nigerian Students Union
Organization of Latino Students
Pakistan Student Association
Russian Club
Russian-Speaking Students Association
Sankalp-The Indian Literacy Focus Group
Society for Indian Tradition and Arts (SiTaR)
Sri Lankan Association
Students for Social Justice
Taiwanese Student Assn.
Thai Student Association
Turkish Student Association
Uhuru Magazine
United Native American Student Organization
Vietnamese Student Association
Zeitgeist


There would seem to me to be several which from their names might be considered as primarily "Caucasian Clubs". They would include:

Association of Norwegian Students Abroad
French Club
Iowa State Ukrainian Club
Russian Club
Russian-Speaking Students Association
Zeitgeist

In each of these cases, I can imagine that attending programs and/or events of the organizaion could prove interesting.

On the other hand, there is nothing called the "Caucasian Club" or "White Student Club" or whatever, and if there were, I can't imagine anything more boring than to attend one of their functions.

Unless the purpose of such an organization was to set itself up in opposition to Black student organizations, oppose Affirmative Action, or cause racial tension, I really don't understand how they would expect to find people interested in participating. What would be the point? I mean, what would such a generic organization be about?


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Why do some of you say that you oppose this? You all claim that there are several clubs for caucasians only, where are they? Ricardo's list, while i will admit most people of those nationalities are Caucasian and aren't multi-racial, these clubs were not formed to exclude people. They were simply formed to celebrate a common heritage.
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Originally posted by pika2k:
Why do some of you say that you oppose this? You all claim that there are several clubs for caucasians only, where are they? Ricardo's list, while i will admit most people of those nationalities are Caucasian and aren't multi-racial, these clubs were not formed to exclude people. They were simply formed to celebrate a common heritage.


Who are the people here (plural, since you said "some") who are opposing it?


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Originally posted by Nmaginate:
Who said they opposed "this"? Pika??

Common heritage? Being Black in America isn't a common heritage on par with those Ricardo listed?? I'd just like to know.


I'm not saying that African-American groups shouldn't be allowed, I'm just saying that none of the groups Ricardo pointed out are intentionally excluding African-Americans.

Sorry, i meant to say would, not do. (i.e.: Why would you oppose this?) I wouldn't see why anyone would oppose such a thing, unless they themselves were inherently racist. (not any of you guys, let me finish) This is based on a common cultural (to an extent) bond. Just like an African-American Club, a Hispanic Club, or an Asian club would be.
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I'm not saying that African-American groups shouldn't be allowed, I'm just saying that none of the groups Ricardo pointed out are intentionally excluding African-Americans.

Sorry, i meant to say would, not do. (i.e.: Why would you oppose this?) I wouldn't see why anyone would oppose such a thing, unless they themselves were inherently racist. (not any of you guys, let me finish) This is based on a common cultural (to an extent) bond. Just like an African-American Club, a Hispanic Club, or an Asian club would be.

What??

There are no clubs that "intentionally" exclude anyone. First of all, in a school setting it can hardly be legal. So what's your point?

...And, perhaps it has nothing to do with you, but I am sooooooooo worn out with people saying I meant to say this... when they said that.

Honestly, I can't understand what you have to say if that wasn't your intention. Regardless to what word you intended on using NO ONE said they are or WOULD be opposed to a Caucasian Club. Perhaps you didn't read any of the posts before and just readily assumed that there was some opposition.

I just find it to be an interesting story. Perhaps you can explain why Whites would want a club specifically designated as such. And I mean beyond saying, "Well, every other group has one." That sounds pretty childish.

Perhaps you could help me understand. I just find it hard for a group that's in the majority to feel "slighted" by smaller "minority" groups even in the sense of have a club that reflects their heritage...
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Originally posted by pika2k:
Why do some of you say that you oppose this? You all claim that there are several clubs for caucasians only, where are they? Ricardo's list, while i will admit most people of those nationalities are Caucasian and aren't multi-racial, these clubs were not formed to exclude people. They were simply formed to celebrate a common heritage.


Here's 4 student organizations here on the list that would probably be viewed as Black organizations.

Black Grad Student Assn
Black Student Alliance
Kenyan Students Association
Nigerian Students Union

Two are explicitely associated with specific African Nationalities. The other two are probably made up of mostly African Americans, who for the most part don't know in detail where on the African Continent their anscestors come from. None of these groups are exclusionary, either. (In distinguishing between Black "racially based" organizations and other "ethnic based" organizations, you seem to imply that it is by choice that African Americans don't identify with specific countries in Africa.) I believe that for these purposes it is reasonable to consider African Americans a seperate ethnic group created in this country by the shared history resulting from the practice of slavery and subsequent discrimination. The fact is that African Americans do have a common heritage. The fact that that common heritage is shared by people of a specific race was a decision made by those that instituted slavery, not by the slaves themselves. Had slavery been based upon being left handed, there would probably be a proliferation of left handed organizations today.

The fact is that Black organizations arose out of a historical context, and in response to historical fources.

What is difficult for me to understand is why European Americans would be interested in something so generic as a "Caucasian Club". What's the point?


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quote:
Originally posted by Nmaginate:

Honestly, I can't understand what you have to say if that wasn't your intention. Regardless to what word you intended on using NO ONE said they are or WOULD be opposed to a Caucasian Club. Perhaps you didn't read any of the posts before and just readily assumed that there was some opposition.



This is one of the things that used to bug me about trying to discuss anything at the PW Forum. It seemed like people there had preconcieved notions about what anybody from outside their little world would say, that they heard you saying those things whether you did or not.

Thus, when I first posted there, I was accused of repeatedly calling people racists, and of being racist, even before I had a chance to make a second post. The word "racist" seemed to be used by them dozens of times, all the while with them saying that it was me that was saying it. It seemed that they would simply make up words and try to put them in my mouth. When I pointed them to the specific posts, they would simply ignore it and change the subject, and then continue to put more words in my mouth.

And then Kfir and Alan simply banned me and deleted the evidence, in their push for political correctness.

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Yes, It has been really amusing how they make claims that they can't justify, projecting their own behavior onto us, and then, when asked for evidence of their claims, they dissapear. When faced with their own posts, and pointed to our posts, they change the subject. Whenever they are confronted with solid facts, they run away. Their claims idiologies rest on a foundation of mutual support, citing each others' lies and distortions to bolster their own.

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Sorry if you wanted proof, but I think eye-witness accounts should be more than enough to suffice.





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All of America's a "Caucasian Club". Where's that "Caucasian War Club" when it comes time to drop bombs on more melanined folks? Time for "us" to stop participating!! As for that "minority" jazz; there's no such human. I've NEVER seen a "minority" dog or cat; they're different colors. Since MAN is the "highest" form of animal; he comes in different colors too. He's still a MAN!!!!! That RACE jazz is a myth too. Homo Sapiens ALL!!!!!! No exclusions. NONE!!
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Originally posted by ricardomath:
Here's 4 student organizations here on the list that would probably be viewed as Black organizations.

Black Grad Student Assn
Black Student Alliance
Kenyan Students Association
Nigerian Students Union

Two are explicitely associated with specific African Nationalities. The other two are probably made up of mostly African Americans, who for the most part don't know in detail where on the African Continent their anscestors come from. None of these groups are exclusionary, either. (In distinguishing between Black "racially based" organizations and other "ethnic based" organizations, you seem to imply that it is by choice that African Americans don't identify with specific countries in Africa.) I believe that for these purposes it is reasonable to consider African Americans a seperate ethnic group created in this country by the shared history resulting from the practice of slavery and subsequent discrimination. The fact is that African Americans do have a common heritage. The fact that that common heritage is shared by people of a specific race was a decision made by those that instituted slavery, not by the slaves themselves. Had slavery been based upon being left handed, there would probably be a proliferation of left handed organizations today.

The fact is that Black organizations arose out of a historical context, and in response to historical fources.

What is difficult for me to understand is why European Americans would be interested in something so generic as a "Caucasian Club". What's the point?



They are based on a common ancestry though. Even if they can't nail it down to one country, these groups are all based on common ethnic background.

Nmaginate:

Perhaps I should clarify what I meant by "would be opposed to this." When I read the article, it seemed to me tht the poster felt that this was a bad thing. I felt as if he was posting it because he felt it was racist.
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Perhaps I should clarify what I meant by "would be opposed to this." When I read the article, it seemed to me tht the poster felt that this was a bad thing. I felt as if he was posting it because he felt it was racist.

C'mon Pika!

It doesn't matter what verbage you used. THAWATCHER is on record here for not making every case that has race in it as a racist event. He merely asked a question and from that, without knowing him or his positions, you just automatically assumed that he had a problem with it because he posted the article and asked a question. (Note: No additional comments were made just a question: Should it be allowed?...) That's ridiculous!

You have no basis for your for it and you should just say so. You just made an aSSumption just because...

There really is no way to defend that regardless as to what you meant to say.

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