In the Music - Entertainment forum, a number of ladies on this site have mentioned "Fire on the Mountain" by Asa as a song they like. One of the verses in that song contains these lyrics:

So you say you have a lover
And you love her like no other
So you buy her a diamond
That someone has died on
Don't you think there something wrong with this?


A lot of us know the issues with "blood diamonds." We know about "blood a whole lot of materials" too. We can't even buy a cell phone without the likelihood someone was brutally exploited in order to mine the substance that is used in some of the key components.

But with diamonds, we're talking about nothing but jewelry; pampered luxury as a totem to demonstrate our love for a woman. For many items, innocent consumers can't be blamed for wanting; rubber for tires makes the world go around, and so do cell phones. Solutions there have to be on a higher level than the consumer. But blood diamonds are something that can be repudiated at the consumer level. What's the argument for still wanting a diamond (in the case of an engagement proposition) given the history of what goes into mining for them?
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Originally posted by Vox:
In the Music - Entertainment forum, a number of ladies on this site have mentioned "Fire on the Mountain" by Asa as a song they like. One of the verses in that song contains these lyrics:

So you say you have a lover
And you love her like no other
So you buy her a diamond
That someone has died on
Don't you think there something wrong with this?


A lot of us know the issues with "blood diamonds." We know about "blood a whole lot of materials" too. We can't even buy a cell phone without the likelihood someone was brutally exploited in order to mine the substance that is used in some of the key components.

But with diamonds, we're talking about nothing but jewelry; pampered luxury as a totem to demonstrate our love for a woman. For many items, innocent consumers can't be blamed for wanting; rubber for tires makes the world go around, and so do cell phones. Solutions there have to be on a higher level than the consumer. But blood diamonds are something that can be repudiated at the consumer level. What's the argument for still wanting a diamond (in the case of an engagement proposition) given the history of what goes into mining for them?


I've never understood the fascination with the value behind the diamond.. it doesn't appeal to me aesthetically...

For many women this traditional show of commitment is its true value and the other "carat, cut, color" are justifications for the psychological attachment... which supercedes any political/social responsible guilt derived from murdered innocents..

On another note, what American industries do not warrant boycotting for nefarious overseas practices?
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Originally posted by Vox:
In the Music - Entertainment forum, a number of ladies on this site have mentioned "Fire on the Mountain" by Asa as a song they like. One of the verses in that song contains these lyrics:

So you say you have a lover
And you love her like no other
So you buy her a diamond
That someone has died on
Don't you think there something wrong with this?


A lot of us know the issues with "blood diamonds." We know about "blood a whole lot of materials" too. We can't even buy a cell phone without the likelihood someone was brutally exploited in order to mine the substance that is used in some of the key components.

But with diamonds, we're talking about nothing but jewelry; pampered luxury as a totem to demonstrate our love for a woman. For many items, innocent consumers can't be blamed for wanting; rubber for tires makes the world go around, and so do cell phones. Solutions there have to be on a higher level than the consumer. But blood diamonds are something that can be repudiated at the consumer level. What's the argument for still wanting a diamond (in the case of an engagement proposition) given the history of what goes into mining for them?


I've asked this question many times of many people and never recieved a straight forward answer...

I let anyone know that I'm dating seriously to NEVER give me diamond jewelry...
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Originally posted by Vox:
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What's the argument for still wanting a diamond (in the case of an engagement proposition) given the history of what goes into mining for them?


I can't think of any argument, especially when a CZ looks the same.

I'm a pragmatist anyhow and can't see spending so much on a ring.
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Originally posted by shulamite:
Ethical Diamonds

Canadian Diamonds

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Personally, I'm not sure if I want an engagement ring. As for a wedding ring, I want a simple (22K Indian styled) band. I don't like wearing stones on my hands.
A quote from the "ethical" diamonds link caught my eye...

... It is therefore impossible to be certain whether a diamond is conflict-free or not. Please note that where we say conflict free diamonds are used we assert this to the best of our knowledge only.

Things that make you say... HHMMMM

Also, as food for thought (not directed @ you shulamite), just because a diamond is not a "blood diamond" does not mean that it was not obtained via exploitation...
Khalliqa: I kind of anticipated your point about other industries, and basically my thought is that other products enjoy varying degrees of need or importance to society. Like I said above, no one can boycott rubber, and increasingly, products that require the use of tantalum have functions that can't easily be eliminated without major disruptions to society. So there's no solution to solve the problems of exploitation and ill-treatment around these resources that won't involve a more macro level than just consumer boycotts.

Diamonds, though, really have absolutely no utility. If diamonds disappeared tomorrow, society would fundamentally run as it already does. All that has to happen to make a change is that people en masse decide that their desire for "bling" is slightly subordinate to the horrors involved in making that happen.

I know people have varying priority systems, but I am positive that this can't be but so difficult.
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Originally posted by AudioGuy:
just because a diamond is not a "blood diamond" does not mean that it was not obtained via exploitation...


Sure, but if we get that reductionist, it can be argued that nothing bought in this world is without exploitation attached to it, no? 19
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Originally posted by Vox:
Khalliqa: I kind of anticipated your point about other industries, and basically my thought is that other products enjoy varying degrees of need or importance to society. Like I said above, no one can boycott rubber, and increasingly, products that require the use of tantalum have functions that can't easily be eliminated without major disruptions to society. So there's no solution to solve the problems of exploitation and ill-treatment around these resources that won't involve a more macro level than just consumer boycotts.

Diamonds, though, really have absolutely no utility. If diamonds disappeared tomorrow, society would fundamentally run as it already does. All that has to happen to make a change is that people en masse decide that their desire for "bling" is slightly subordinate to the horrors involved in making that happen.

I know people have varying priority systems, but I am positive that this can't be but so difficult.


yeah Kinda...
but don't forget about Industrial diamond usage...
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Originally posted by shulamite:
Sure, but if we get that reductionist, it can be argued that nothing bought in this world is without exploitation attached to it, no? 19
I, personally, cannot think of anything where the mark up is as high as diamonds...

They get them for virtually nothing, have them cut for next to nothing and then charge thousands of dollars for them...

Everybody, with the exception of the seller, is used... That, to me, is exploitation in it's highest form...

I'm not sure "reductionist" accurately describes the diamond trade...
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Originally posted by ATPWordPro:
I'm a pragmatist anyhow and can't see spending so much on a ring.


I agree. Which is one reason I'm drawn to Indian styled wedding bands instead of traditional American diamond bands. Intricately designed 22K gold bands that appreciate over time with a cost of $300-$700 USD (without a stone).
As in all things, how one acquired the diamond is the issue, not the diamond ItSelf...

The diamond is like any other jewel, and personally I like most jewels....LOL. Most of them are beautiful and the value we place upon them depends upon a variety of factors.

My own personal style of ring is one that is created just for me. I know they say the best form of flattery if imitation, but it gets real old when something as personal as a wedding ring can't even be "your" own....because SomeBody else happens to like it.

"Do you mind if I use that or buy that? I REALLY like that!".....man, that soooooooooo gets on my nerves!

...or even more tacky: "I just went out and bought MySelf "YOUR" xyz...." ....all with a sanctimonious smile. Why can't people learn to be unique???

....Okay, that's the end of my lil rant....LOL.

Back to the issue at hand: I like diamonds. But I also like sapphires and rubies and topaz and pearls...and and and....I just don't get gaudy with it because I have small hands. Personally, I think it looks so tacky having 50 million rings on all over the place. But a small, but involved, well placed ring or set of rings, says EveryThing that needs to be said.

When we opt to utilize jewels that were not only obtained responsibly, but also contribute something positive to the society AND bring about our own unique contribution to the world, then we've got it right!

"Wisdom Is A Jewel Loving Woman!"
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Originally posted by ATPWordPro:
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Originally posted by Vox:
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What's the argument for still wanting a diamond (in the case of an engagement proposition) given the history of what goes into mining for them?


I can't think of any argument, especially when a CZ looks the same.

I'm a pragmatist anyhow and can't see spending so much on a ring.


That's sound nice on paper. But honestly, if a dude really gave a woman a CZ engagement ring instead of a diamond engagement ring, she would cuss his ass out, like she was possessed by the spirit of Richard Pryor. I don't care how conscious he is about the blood diamond situation.
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Originally posted by Huey:
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Originally posted by ATPWordPro:
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Originally posted by Vox:
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What's the argument for still wanting a diamond (in the case of an engagement proposition) given the history of what goes into mining for them?


I can't think of any argument, especially when a CZ looks the same.

I'm a pragmatist anyhow and can't see spending so much on a ring.


That's sound nice on paper. But honestly, if a dude really gave a woman a CZ engagement ring instead of a diamond engagement ring, she would cuss his ass out, like she was possessed by the spirit of Richard Pryor. I don't care how conscious he is about the blood diamond situation.


I would hope that thoughs of us who are conscious about issues like this one surrounding diamonds wouldn't be trying to make life partners that are either completely not interested in said subjects, or that we have not already informed about the importance of said subjects.

A.K.A. If a brother is conscious about the DEATH OF INNOCENTS and general EXPLOITATION and his partner doesn't give a damn, something is very wrong with his choice of woman. The same goes if the genders are reversed.
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Originally posted by Oshun Auset:
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Originally posted by Huey:
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Originally posted by ATPWordPro:
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Originally posted by Vox:
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What's the argument for still wanting a diamond (in the case of an engagement proposition) given the history of what goes into mining for them?


I can't think of any argument, especially when a CZ looks the same.

I'm a pragmatist anyhow and can't see spending so much on a ring.


That's sound nice on paper. But honestly, if a dude really gave a woman a CZ engagement ring instead of a diamond engagement ring, she would cuss his ass out, like she was possessed by the spirit of Richard Pryor. I don't care how conscious he is about the blood diamond situation.


I would hope that thoughs of us who are conscious about issues like this one surrounding diamonds wouldn't be trying to make life partners that are either completely not interested in said subjects, or that we have not already informed about the importance of said subjects.

A.K.A. If a brother is conscious about the DEATH OF INNOCENTS and general EXPLOITATION and his partner doesn't give a damn, something is very wrong with his choice of woman. The same goes if the genders are reversed.


Unfortunately, many men and women (especially since the wedding is catering to the woman) either don't know or don't care about where the diamonds are from, just as long as they have it.

Whether it's from a financial point of view or a consciousness point of view, or both, she's receiving the CZ ring, not him. If she doesn't like it, then he needs to tell her to read a newspaper (printed or online) or it's over. Bottom line.
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Originally posted by Huey:
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Originally posted by ATPWordPro:
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Originally posted by Vox:
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What's the argument for still wanting a diamond (in the case of an engagement proposition) given the history of what goes into mining for them?


I can't think of any argument, especially when a CZ looks the same.

I'm a pragmatist anyhow and can't see spending so much on a ring.


That's sound nice on paper. But honestly, if a dude really gave a woman a CZ engagement ring instead of a diamond engagement ring, she would cuss his ass out, like she was possessed by the spirit of Richard Pryor. I don't care how conscious he is about the blood diamond situation.


Huey, my brother, WHERE ARE YOU MEETING THESE CRAZY WOMEN?

Do you not know ANY normal rational women? Really, cussing over a ring? And if this chick thought cussing a man is okay over a material thing such as a ring, why would he be getting engaged to her? Wouldn't that be a warning sign? Such a cussing session would only be the precursor of more strife to come.
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Originally posted by ATPWordPro:
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Originally posted by Huey:
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Originally posted by ATPWordPro:
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Originally posted by Vox:
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What's the argument for still wanting a diamond (in the case of an engagement proposition) given the history of what goes into mining for them?


I can't think of any argument, especially when a CZ looks the same.

I'm a pragmatist anyhow and can't see spending so much on a ring.


That's sound nice on paper. But honestly, if a dude really gave a woman a CZ engagement ring instead of a diamond engagement ring, she would cuss his ass out, like she was possessed by the spirit of Richard Pryor. I don't care how conscious he is about the blood diamond situation.


Huey, my brother, WHERE ARE YOU MEETING THESE CRAZY WOMEN?
Unfortunately, I'm meeting these women right here on planet Earth.


Do you not know ANY normal rational women? Really, cussing over a ring?
ATP, I knew of a woman who was upset because she didn't like a man's car. As long as the car is clean and runs well, what's the damn problem? She regretted dissing that dude's car when it started snowing. It was winter. Had to walk in the snow, and let Jack Frost kick her ass all the way home...all because she thought she was way too cute to ride in some guy's so-called "ugly" car.

And if this chick thought cussing a man is okay over a material thing such as a ring, why would he be getting engaged to her?
Come on now, ATP. You know materialistic people are in this world. Too dang many folks want to keep up with the Joneses.

Wouldn't that be a warning sign? Such a cussing session would only be the precursor of more strife to come.


Yes, that's a warning sign for your ass. Unless there's a way to put a mail-order bride on layaway, it really makes a man (or woman) want to stay single for life.
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Originally posted by Huey:
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Originally posted by ATPWordPro:
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Originally posted by Huey:
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Originally posted by ATPWordPro:
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Originally posted by Vox:
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What's the argument for still wanting a diamond (in the case of an engagement proposition) given the history of what goes into mining for them?


I can't think of any argument, especially when a CZ looks the same.

I'm a pragmatist anyhow and can't see spending so much on a ring.


That's sound nice on paper. But honestly, if a dude really gave a woman a CZ engagement ring instead of a diamond engagement ring, she would cuss his ass out, like she was possessed by the spirit of Richard Pryor. I don't care how conscious he is about the blood diamond situation.


Huey, my brother, WHERE ARE YOU MEETING THESE CRAZY WOMEN?
Unfortunately, I'm meeting these women right here on planet Earth.


Do you not know ANY normal rational women? Really, cussing over a ring?
ATP, I knew of a woman who was upset because she didn't like a man's car. As long as the car is clean and runs well, what's the damn problem? She regretted dissing that dude's car when it started snowing. It was winter. Had to walk in the snow, and let Jack Frost kick her ass all the way home...all because she thought she was way too cute to ride in some guy's so-called "ugly" car.

And if this chick thought cussing a man is okay over a material thing such as a ring, why would he be getting engaged to her?
Come on now, ATP. You know materialistic people are in this world. Too dang many folks want to keep up with the Joneses.

Wouldn't that be a warning sign? Such a cussing session would only be the precursor of more strife to come.


Yes, that's a warning sign for your ass. Unless there's a way to put a mail-order bride on layaway, it really makes a man (or woman) want to stay single for life.


Yes, of course, I understand that there are materialsic folks all over the world. But from your comments here on the board, it just seems that you run into way more than you fair share of them. It's kind of bizarre.
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Originally posted by Oshun Auset:
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Originally posted by ShayaButHer:
As in all things, how one acquired the diamond is the issue, not the diamond ItSelf...


How does one steer clear of how diamonds are in fact aquired? Is that even possible?

http://www.apscuhuru.org/analy...nds/diamonds_web.pdf


Oshun,

Thanks for the article....very informative!

As for your question, several months ago, I was introduced to the idea of checking out "home grown" diamonds. It seems that scientists have perfected the creation of diamonds, not CZ's.

Here are some links to check it out, as apparantly, these "lab grown" diamonds are in fact, real.

Diamonds Information Portal

"Apollo Diamond is a company that is based in Boston who produce flawless diamonds using synthetic means. These diamonds are identical to the real variety except they cultured synthetically. Apollo offers a limited amount of diamonds which are advertised as colorless rather than the usual colored synthetic diamonds. The methods used by Apollo to produce diamonds can fool even the experts into thinking they are naturally made. Apollo also produces diamonds in the form of wafers and crystals for the nanotechnology and optoelectronics industries. A growing business that uses chemical vapor deposition to create man made authentic looking gems.

Apollo is only beginning to get into the world of gems and diamonds for the individual consumer and could help bring an end to the monopoly that the corporate diamond manufacturers have indulged in. Companies like Apollo could change the diamond market and bring an end to costly gems. The ramifications for those who deal in naturally occurring diamonds could prove to be financially back breaking but it is time for a change in this industry.

The Difference between Apollo Diamonds and the Real Thing

There is not a lot of difference between the diamonds that companies like Apollo produce compared to the natural variety. Apollo can create completely colorless and flawless diamonds which are not likely to occur naturally. Colorless or white diamonds are extremely rare and all diamonds have flaws which make them unique. Apollo diamonds will look perfect but they are not likely to be original. It is very hard for diamond dealers themselves to tell the difference and this, combined with the price, is believed by many to be the issue that could bankrupt the major diamond businesses. The diamonds made by Apollo are extremely cheap and are said to cost only a few dollars per carat to create so it stands to reason that the potential for a huge amount of profit is available for the taking.

To summarize, Apollo diamonds are inexpensive and beautiful to look at. It is hard to tell the difference between these and the real thing and they are essentially a perfected version of the natural resource. The resources of diamonds could be exhausted and not all diamonds are attractive looking while Apollo diamonds can be recreated forever as a colorless gem. The gems produced by Apollo are ridiculously cheap compared to the original so it is no wonder that many believe that these synthetic diamonds could end up replacing natural diamonds as the favorite gem."

Apollo Diamond

The other company that is supposed to do this as well is Gemesis.

What do you all think?

"Wisdom Is A Woman Inquiring!"
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Originally posted by Huey:
But honestly, if a dude really gave a woman a CZ engagement ring instead of a diamond engagement ring, she would cuss his ass out,


Not true. My uncle bought my aunt a $200 CZ engagement and wedding ring package because that was all he could afford. He bought the best quality he could for that $200. She was in agreement with him, and I respected him tremendously. That was 16 years ago. They are still going quite strong and are an example to me re marriage best practices.

Two years ago, he bought her her first diamond ring. It is huge and gorgeously cut. She wore it for a little while, and then eventually began wearing the CZ again instead. It was the CZ, she told me, that represented the value of their marriage.

Two working class, everyday black people, Huey. As I think I told you before, on a different subject,...

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Originally posted by Huey:
Unfortunately, I'm meeting these women right here on planet Earth.


...it's all about the circles you run in.
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Originally posted by shulamite:
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Originally posted by Huey:
Unfortunately, I'm meeting these women right here on planet Earth.


...it's all about the circles you run in.
I have to agree, Huey. I can't really talk, because I honestly don't think I know many women who share my view on the diamond issue. But some of the stuff you encounter, Huey, is outrageous and suggests that you need a change of social venue. It makes for some entertaining posts to read by you, but you clearly deserve better, IMO. I know OF women who fit the descriptions you've given in this thread, but I have never dated such a woman, and I can't think of the last time I even had so much as a conversation with one.
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Originally posted by Vox:
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Originally posted by shulamite:
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Originally posted by Huey:
Unfortunately, I'm meeting these women right here on planet Earth.


...it's all about the circles you run in.
I have to agree, Huey. I can't really talk, because I honestly don't think I know many women who share my view on the diamond issue. But some of the stuff you encounter, Huey, is outrageous and suggests that you need a change of social venue. It makes for some entertaining posts to read by you, but you clearly deserve better, IMO. I know OF women who fit the descriptions you've given in this thread, but I have never dated such a woman, and I can't think of the last time I even had so much as a conversation with one.

yeah I realize that I spend most of my time in rather atypical contexts, so I am frequently surprised with some opinions and forms of interaction in other contexts. But as I mentioned in the random thoughts thread recently, I was surprised when this woman who who has presented herself as a kind of Black nationalist went on this rant last week that when she finishes her PhD, she feels that she is entitled to a Bentley. When we challenged her vulgar materialism and its implications for the planet, for African people, et al, she could not see any contradiction, all she said was that she was working toward the day when everyone could have a Bentley, so she was justified. Eek
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Originally posted by ShayaButHer:
As in all things, how one acquired the diamond is the issue, not the diamond ItSelf...

The diamond is like any other jewel, and personally I like most jewels....LOL. Most of them are beautiful and the value we place upon them depends upon a variety of factors.




Shaya, I get what you are saying about liking jewels because of their beauty but you do realize that the value placed on diamonds is not due to them being rare (because they are not) it's all one big carefully crafted marketing scheme by De Beers.
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Originally posted by LieDecrypter:
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Originally posted by ShayaButHer:
As in all things, how one acquired the diamond is the issue, not the diamond ItSelf...

The diamond is like any other jewel, and personally I like most jewels....LOL. Most of them are beautiful and the value we place upon them depends upon a variety of factors.




Shaya, I get what you are saying about liking jewels because of their beauty but you do realize that the value placed on diamonds is not due to them being rare (because they are not) it's all one big carefully crafted marketing scheme by De Beers.


Maybe for some people, but not for all. Again, a jewel is a jewel. They are all precious. I don't by any means believe that anyone should suffer for the aquisition of those jewels either.

So again, the value placed upon something greatly depends upon what that something means to an individual.

It's the premise behind why many Women would accept any type of ring in place of a diamond: it isn't the diamond that will make her happy...it's the ideal that a Man will actually commit to her for the rest of her life. In that case, for most Women, any "symbol" of Love will suffice.

"Wisdom Is A Woman Who UnderStands!"
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Originally posted by Vox:
Shaya, if you watched a white man whip and beat a black man, demanding him to hurry up and put the finishing touches on a beautiful crystal, would you then buy it from the white man when it was finished?


Vox, the obvious answer to your question is "NO", HowEver, the question does not apply AnyWay, given that I already provided the forum with links to those who grow diamonds in our own backyard....without having to beat, whip, chain and abuse otherwise, any of US.

"Wisdom Is A Woman With Options!"
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Originally posted by ShayaButHer:
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Originally posted by LieDecrypter:
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Originally posted by ShayaButHer:
As in all things, how one acquired the diamond is the issue, not the diamond ItSelf...

The diamond is like any other jewel, and personally I like most jewels....LOL. Most of them are beautiful and the value we place upon them depends upon a variety of factors.




Shaya, I get what you are saying about liking jewels because of their beauty but you do realize that the value placed on diamonds is not due to them being rare (because they are not) it's all one big carefully crafted marketing scheme by De Beers.


Maybe for some people, but not for all. Again, a jewel is a jewel. They are all precious. I don't by any means believe that anyone should suffer for the aquisition of those jewels either.

So again, the value placed upon something greatly depends upon what that something means to an individual.

It's the premise behind why many Women would accept any type of ring in place of a diamond: it isn't the diamond that will make her happy...it's the ideal that a Man will actually commit to her for the rest of her life. In that case, for most Women, any "symbol" of Love will suffice.

"Wisdom Is A Woman Who UnderStands!"



Well Shaya, I believe we are talking about two different things regarding the "value" placed on diamonds... you are talking about the value placed on it by the individual...whereas I'm talking about diamonds as a commodity. The distribution of the number of diamonds put on the market each year is highly regulated therefore the "value" of the diamond is heavily manipulated by those who wish to sell it... The only way to sell as many diamonds as have been stripped from Africa and warehoused is to create the perception that they are "rare" which as I said De Beers the company that has a monopoly on the diamond trade has done.

I like what you said about "Women accepting any type of ring in place of a diamond" because personally I would rather give a woman a ring or symbol of love that has a value that SHE places on it herself...rather than a value that has been sold to her through a marketing campaign done by a company like De Beers.
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Originally posted by ShayaButHer:
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Originally posted by Vox:
Shaya, if you watched a white man whip and beat a black man, demanding him to hurry up and put the finishing touches on a beautiful crystal, would you then buy it from the white man when it was finished?


Vox, the obvious answer to your question is "NO", HowEver, the question does not apply AnyWay, given that I already provided the forum with links to those who grow diamonds in our own backyard....without having to beat, whip, chain and abuse otherwise, any of US.

"Wisdom Is A Woman With Options!"


In Shaya's defense, she did post a link to an alternative way to aquire 'grown' diamonds as she mentioned... I never heard about those and am just now seeing it, so I must thank you Shaya for the info.

I guess I'm of the mind that after all the things that have been done to aquire diamonds to our people ANY diamond 'sybolizes' that exploitation and oppression, no matter how it came to be or was aquired, and therefore, I get literally 'turned off' at the sight of them because that's all they remind me of. For me, they could never symbolize a man's love for me, or our commitment to each other... just the horrific abuse of my people... So I no longer find them 'attractive', and actually am repulsed by the sight of 'bling' whether it is from a diamond or CZ. Where others see the beauty and sparkle of 'bling', I'm see rivers of blood...
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Originally posted by LieDecrypter:
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Originally posted by ShayaButHer:
.... a jewel is a jewel. They are all precious. I don't by any means believe that anyone should suffer for the aquisition of those jewels either.

So again, the value placed upon something greatly depends upon what that something means to an individual.

It's the premise behind why many Women would accept any type of ring in place of a diamond: it isn't the diamond that will make her happy...it's the ideal that a Man will actually commit to her for the rest of her life. In that case, for most Women, any "symbol" of Love will suffice.


.....I like what you said about "Women accepting any type of ring in place of a diamond" because personally I would rather give a woman a ring or symbol of love that has a value that SHE places on it herself...rather than a value that has been sold to her through a marketing campaign done by a company like De Beers.


thanks

The LOVE is what counts; what is chosen to represent it is a highly personal choice determined by the two in question.

DeBeers had it all wrong: a diamond is just a diamond, but the LOVE is what should be forever.

"Wisdom Is A Woman Who Knows What's Important!"
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Originally posted by Oshun Auset:
In Shaya's defense, she did post a link to an alternative way to aquire 'grown' diamonds as she mentioned... I never heard about those and am just now seeing it, so I must thank you Shaya for the info.


thanks....

"Wisdom Is A Woman Appreciating!"

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