Here's a link to a conservative site: Booker Rising.
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quote:Originally posted by Noah The African:
Sometimes the focus on the middle of the road blinds us to what the road is in the middle of.
quote:However, most black folks are intelligent enough to differentiate the means and goals of micro conservatism, in which they set and control the platform, vs that of a Macro political conservatism in which they have no control over the platform or agenda.
quote:I see you never answered my question on how a black could logically support policy that reduces college enrollment and professional opportunities........for blacks.
quote:Originally posted by Constructive Feedback:quote:I see you never answered my question on how a black could logically support policy that reduces college enrollment and professional opportunities........for blacks.
This position of yours FAILS to consider all of the forces that are at play with the debate.
In my view to strongly advocate for Affirmative Action Admissions but to FAIL to EFFECTIVELY address what YOU AND I agree is the root problem: Inadequate preparation in MIDDLE/HIGH SCHOOL education that short changes our children and thus amplifies the need for AA university admissions is placing emphasis on the wrong pressure point.
The strategy that you emphasize places more dependency on the agreement among some Whites to yeild seats at prestigeous schools via this policy and legislation than it does FIX THE MIDDLE/HIGH SCHOOL SYSTEM FOR ALL BLACKS INCLUDING THE ONE'S WHO DON'T ATTEMPT TO ATTEND AN ELITE WHITE INSTITUTION
Once again - it is funny how I can be taken to task for supporting Charter schools because they don't benefit ALL BLACK STUDENTS but you all give a pass to AFFIRMATIVE ACTION which does not help Black kids who don't attend an elite school with more applications than they do freshman seats. Secondly the "brain drain" that is claimed in vouchers and charter schools IS THE CASE WITH AFFIRMATIVE ACTION ADMISSSIONS THAT SENDS THE BEST AND BRIGHTEST AFRICAN AMERICAN MINDS TO WHITE ELITE INSTITUTIONS.
(on a side note - I am sure that all of you know Tkcal. He is another Black radial Fundementalist. He frequently talks about Black Nationalism. Yet he couldn't help but to beam about his supposed girl friend who has a LAW DEGREE FROM HARVARD. Harvard, Princeton and the rest of the Ivy League schools are valued by WHITE ELITES, the same folks that you all often talk about. Yet this Black Nationalist felt that his girl was more valuable because she attended.
You all swear that I am brainwashed but you can't even see the greater examples in yourselves.)
quote:I did not ask you what was the solution to correcting the deficiencies in schools, I asked you about the logic behind non-support for AA policy in particular given the performance measurements it is known to influence on behalf of blacks. I'll try again, what would make a black person support policy that reduces educational attainment and professional inclusion for black people? What is beneficial about less black people in colleges and in the workplace? Is that clear?
quote:Originally posted by Constructive Feedback:
The fact remains that AA requires the willingness of WHITE FOLKS (who you don't give an F about) to yield some freshman seats so that Black folks can receive education.
quote:We live in a white world. How else do we create progress for ourselves if we are unwilling to seek change in a world that happens to be dominated by whites?
quote:Originally posted by Constructive Feedback:quote:We live in a white world. How else do we create progress for ourselves if we are unwilling to seek change in a world that happens to be dominated by whites?
Surely the CHINESE don't think this way.
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The Chinese are confounding your very statement with a gradual and disciplined approach.
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Sometimes in a battle it is better NOT to confront you opponent but to assist him in over-eating so that he will one day die of a heart attack.
quote:How else would you characterize the African American fight for rights etc. in this country if not "gradual and disciplined"? Sure it could be MORE aggressive and more disciplined, but I'm not sure what contrast you are trying to make here.
quote:Originally posted by Constructive Feedback:quote:How else would you characterize the African American fight for rights etc. in this country if not "gradual and disciplined"? Sure it could be MORE aggressive and more disciplined, but I'm not sure what contrast you are trying to make here.
http://www.chicagodefender.com/page/commentary.cfm?ArticleID=1499
Here is a recent article by Dr Ronald Walters, political scientist in which he questioned the choice of a business man to take the helm of the organization rather than a person steeped in traditional civil rights leadership.
Dr. Walters said that while this person my do well in the area of economic development he may not be able to address civil rights issues such as "red-lining and discrimination in access to capital".
Clearly Dr. Walters does not get the point that with ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT and independence you are less inclined to go to a mega-bank for them to red line you in the first place. You will build the financial infrastructure in you own community to support the investments in you community.
quote:Originally posted by Constructive Feedback:
You said "we are living in a 'White man's world".
quote:I then told you that this is a world of POWER RELATIONS and detailed how China is causing great fear and consternation about White Americans and even BLACK AMERICANS' who fate is also tied to the fortunes of America per our current alignment.
quote:Originally posted by MBM:
Likewise, their global leverage is based upon their economic power, the fact that they have 1.3 billion people, and moreover, that they have the military might that demands our respect. How does African Americans' situation compare to that?
quote:It is a long term sprint to create interlocking relationships in which you use your skill and advantage in certain areas to trade with others as you supply their needs in exchange for something of value from them.
quote:Originally posted by Constructive Feedback:quote:We live in a white world. How else do we create progress for ourselves if we are unwilling to seek change in a world that happens to be dominated by whites?
Surely the CHINESE don't think this way.
They understand POWER RELATIONSHIPS. In leveraging their economic and political position they MORE THAN ANY OTHER FORCE IN RECENT HISTORY is causing the United States and the White folks who control AND WORK within it deep seated concern about their ability to compete in the world and to have economic ownership of this country.
The Chinese are confounding your very statement with a gradual and disciplined approach.
They say:America is full of CAPITALIST CONSUMERS? We will give them EXACTLY what they want at lower prices. Their factories will shut down and they will lose the skills that they once developed in running them TO US. Masses of their people will be unemployed. WE WILL OWN THEM as they depend on us spending BILLIONS OF DOLLARS PER DAY in investments in their country to keep their SYSTEM OF CONSUMPTION GOING.
Sometimes in a battle it is better NOT to confront you opponent but to assist him in over-eating so that he will one day die of a heart attack.
quote:The truth of the matter is that the Chinese growth is directly correlated with Western direct capital investment. The Chinese leadership realized that they could not grow unless they changed the "whiteman" or catered to him and they choose the latter. They opened up their market and adopted policies that made it attractive for white nations to invest. As MBM said, whites dominate the world and thus you either have to beat them or join them and many are choosing to join because of their power.