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I really feel there is something serious going on in my area. I am 24, and when I was 21 had a miscarriage at 5 1/2 months. It is very rare for a 21 year old to miscarry at that stage, and that age. (Less than 3% chance) During my hospital stay there were 2 other young black girls who had miscarriages. I've noticed in the metroplex that I have ALOT of young black women who I can talk to about my miscarriage. WHY IS THAT. If this is so rare for young women (who are very fertile) then why is the rate in DFW so high amongst black women. I was really freaked out about a tetnus shot I was supposed to get. I found out that in certain parts of Asia, women were miscarrying b/c of the added ingredients in the tetnus shot. This really makes me wonder what is going on in Dallas.

Killing our wombs is a good way for population control.

I can count at least 10 black women under 30 who have had miscarriages within the last 5 years. Whats going on?

Any thoughts (looking forward to FINEs response)
Yes, that was a painful experience, and Im not trying to blame anyone. Im just realizing what is going on around me.
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Originally posted by Kweli4Real:
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DES exposure


What's that? [I'm too lazy to look it up]


Some days it's like that! Wink

    DES (diethylstilbestrol) is a hormone that was prescribed for pregnant women in the 1950s and early 1960s. Many years later, doctors discovered that the daughters of the women who received DES were at high risk for a variety of problems, including infertility, premature labor, and cancer of the vagina and cervix.

    Causes and symptoms

    DES has affected a very specific group of women. ...In other words, their mothers must have taken DES within the first four-five months of pregnancy. It is now known that the female reproductive organs are formed during that time. DES appears to interfere with proper growth and development of the uterus, cervix, vagina, and fallopian tubes. In 2003, new research showed that DES also was associated with increased risk of breast cancer.
CF - you ought to be absolutely ashamed of yourself. Here a woman comes sharing her grief about something as personal and painful as misacarriage, and you see it as an opportunity to get on your ideological soap box.

Are you so trapped in your own little conservative, bigotted world that you have no sense of humanity?

Grow up.

td6
Texas Star:

Ask your doctor.

Flat out.

Ask your Secretary of the State Department of Health. IN WRITING WITH A SIGNED CIRTIFIED MAIL RECEIPT

Send copies of that letter to the Governor of Texas, your State Representative, your State Senator, your U.S. Representative, and BOTH of your U.S. Senators; AND your local newspaper(s).
.

The copies do not need to be certified, BUT SHOW THE LIST OF WHO GOT COPIES ON THE FACE OF THE LETTER.

Bitch if you don't get an answer

They don't care if you don't care.

PEACE

Jim Chester
1) DES exposure... Well, how could i be exposed to that... Im only 24, my mom was pregnant in the 80s. Thats for women who were pregnant in the 50s/60s.

2)Constructive Feedback..
Yes, that does seem crazy/obvious to offer free abortions. And it does seem like a conspiracy.
However, the end result is different. Those women had the choice. If somehow I was exposed or given sometihng that caused my uterus to become faulty-thats taking away my choice. Just like with AIDS.
My wife and I experienced the miscarriage of our second child a few months ago....so I feel your pain. My suggestion to you would be to get the "big picture" in regards to statistical data. As common as it happens....its really not a good metric to make assumption s about the whole based on our personal experiences as part of the whole. The DFW area has around 6 million people, many of whom are African American...I am sure. Therefore, the fact that there is a support group of black women with this terrible experience should not be surprising.

That having been said, a recent study has come out that shows that blacks are much more likely to live in areas with harmful pollutants than are white people. These pollutants, many of which come from industrial plants, will no doubt manifest a negative effect over time. What I know for sure is that the American environment is becoming less and less "natural" and exposure all these electrical lines, radio waves, industrial pollutants, chemicals in food and on and on...most profoundly manifest in the health of black people because who are more economically vulnerable. Asthma is another thing that is on the rise among blacks.

I do believe that there is a desire among some to control the black population. I have no doubt about that. So you never really know.

Stay Strong.
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Originally posted by MBM:
CF - you ought to be absolutely ashamed of yourself. Here a woman comes sharing her grief about something as personal and painful as misacarriage, and you see it as an opportunity to get on your ideological soap box.

Are you so trapped in your own little conservative, bigotted world that you have no sense of humanity?

Grow up.

td6


MBM:

I am saddened by the loss that Texas Star has experienced. HOWEVER, she put her business out in public so I have to assume that she is opened to a bit of dialogue.

I am also SORRY that YOU see the issue of UNBORN BLACK BABIES as an "ideological soap box". It is clear that YOU as well as the NAACP have lost your way haven fallen hopelessly to the extreme left.


IF this UNBORN CHILD is a Gift from God then HIM DYING AT THE HANDS OF A CONSPIRACY or because his mother DECIDED that after doing all of the things that are necessary to have a child and getting pregnant that she no longer wants to carry this child the end result is the same - a fetus that is not being brought to term.

Is it a 'soap box' or simply an issue that you can't deal with?
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I am also SORRY that YOU see the issue of UNBORN BLACK BABIES as an "ideological soap box". It is clear that YOU as well as the NAACP have lost your way haven fallen hopelessly to the extreme left.

scream SHUT THE FUCK UP!!

Texas Star presented a specific subject about MISCARRIAGES as in unplanned losses. Abortions are, at least to a great degree, planned losses. MBM said nothing about being Pro-Choice. He merely pointed out what is painfully clear on every thread you open your damn cyber-mouth on: YOU DO NOT STAY ON THE SUBJECT.

The subject, the issue was not "UNBORN BLACK BABIES"... In her own words, the subject, the issue was about "population control" via the "added ingredients in tetnus shots" which are suspected as being a possible cause for the MISCARRIAGES. Not Abortions but MISCARRIAGES.

If you want to talk about UNBORN BLACK BABIES in the vain of Abortions... then start your own thread. Otherwise, either STFU or speak to and within the CONTEXT of this thread.

And this shows you as GUILTY AS CHARGED:
"YOU [MBM] as well as the NAACP have lost your way haven fallen hopelessly to the extreme left."

Hmmm.... Now, let's see if you're LYING and/or CONTRADICTING yourself about the NAACP again. When did the NAACP have a different, opposite position on Abortion for them to be classified as "fallen"???

Since you can't answer.... SHUT THE FUCK UP!!

When did MBM have a different position on Abortions, whether opposite or not??

Since you cannot answer.... SHUT THE FUCK UP!!
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Originally posted by Constructive Feedback:

I am also SORRY that YOU see the issue of UNBORN BLACK BABIES as an "ideological soap box".


Well, there's your first problem. The issue isn't "unborn black babies" - it is miscarriage. Hopefully you can comprehend the difference.

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It is clear that YOU as well as the NAACP have lost your way haven fallen hopelessly to the extreme left.


Last time I looked, a woman's right to choose was the law of the land.

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IF this UNBORN CHILD is a Gift from God then HIM DYING AT THE HANDS OF A CONSPIRACY or because his mother DECIDED that after doing all of the things that are necessary to have a child and getting pregnant that she no longer wants to carry this child the end result is the same - a fetus that is not being brought to term.


The end result would also be the same if a nuclear bomb dropped on someone. So what? Roll Eyes

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Is it a 'soap box' or simply an issue that you can't deal with?


CF - there are no issues that you can raise that I can't quite adeptly "deal with". You best believe that! bsm
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Originally posted by Texas Star:
I really feel there is something serious going on in my area. I am 24, and when I was 21 had a miscarriage at 5 1/2 months. It is very rare for a 21 year old to miscarry at that stage, and that age. (Less than 3% chance) During my hospital stay there were 2 other young black girls who had miscarriages. I've noticed in the metroplex that I have ALOT of young black women who I can talk to about my miscarriage. WHY IS THAT. If this is so rare for young women (who are very fertile) then why is the rate in DFW so high amongst black women. I was really freaked out about a tetnus shot I was supposed to get. I found out that in certain parts of Asia, women were miscarrying b/c of the added ingredients in the tetnus shot. This really makes me wonder what is going on in Dallas.

Killing our wombs is a good way for population control.

I can count at least 10 black women under 30 who have had miscarriages within the last 5 years. Whats going on?

Any thoughts (looking forward to FINEs response)
Yes, that was a painful experience, and Im not trying to blame anyone. Im just realizing what is going on around me.

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First, let me say that I am sorry for your loss. A lot of people really cannot relate to losing a child unless it has happened to them.

It IS rare for a 21 year old to miscarry a child without some mitigating factors that could be or should have been easily pointed out by your doctor.

Also, I can remember thinking something similar back in the early nineties when I picked up my niece from a doctor's appointment and there were several other young women in there who had delivered prematurely. Not only that, nearly every other young woman that I would talk to that had recently given birth had given birth to a premature baby. I thought that was odd too. And even more so, I thought that it was odd that the doctors/medical establishment did not seem to think that is was odd.
Thank you everyone for your concern. It was a hard experience. I have coped with this issue, I am just noticing a strange trend.

Maybe its a coincidence. Maybe not. I know a diverse group of people, and NONE of my white female friends lost a child. I would like to try to have kids one day, but Im honestly scared to experience that again.

Also, at 5 1/2 months, I had to DELIVER the baby, plus we had a funeral for him. He was fully formed except his eyes were shut. I've talked with a few women about it today, and we just don't understand it.I also thought it was odd during the experience how my doctor wanted nothing more than to sign me up for storing the babies cord blood. thats what makes me think its the Illuminati : )


I think it could be related to the foods we are exposed to or even PVC ect. But, growing up my family mainly did home cooking. We ate ALOT of cereal though..LOL

The vaccine I mentioned earlier was in the Phillipines (the article touches on that below)


Please read the article below:

Dear Brother,
I send to you this mail in light of your position to enlighten the world on what I believe is part of the New World Order conspiracy. TheKenyan citizenry do not know about the imminnent measles "immunization" in Kenya set to commence on June 17th, 2002. You may not agree with my conclusions, but please do search the links and make your own judgement whether we are not in for some frightening catastrophe short of genocide by allowing the planned immunization. Here is my article, which you may quote in full, if you please.

The Ministry of Health of the Government of Kenya has taken out adverts in the mass media and engaged in an active campaign in the last couple of days publicizing the immunization against measles for "all children from the age of 9 months up to 14 years...even if they have completed their clinic immunization." (see advert carried in the Daily Nation, June 14, 2002, at page 19). I was dismayed to note that the proposed immunization targets even INFANTS and children who have already undergone immunization conclusively, which begs the question, "WHY should such children be subjected to fresh measles immunization if they have already had their jabs?" Is there a new strain of measles that has sprung forth without the Ministry of Health informing the public? I doubt, and I think the whole progamme is well orchestrated and schemed from an international level.

No public statement has been issued by the Ministry of Health to clarify this, but worse still, no one is asking, "Why the urgency now to immunize against measles?" "Why is the immunization totally "free?", yet Kenyans have been "cost-sharing" medical expenses at every level? Neither is anyone querring "WHY employ resources in "re-immunizing" ALREADY immunized children?" or "Who will underwrite the expenses of training the field officers who will be undertaking the immunization process when public health institutions are being constantly told that there are no resources to supply drugs to them?" "Are the field officers to undertake such immunization possessed of the requisite skills?" "Where is the incinerator to getrid of the disposable hypodermic needles?" or even the more poignant "WHAT EXACTLY do those vials carrying the measles "vaccine" contain?". At least I have not heard any such questions from any quarter, which is frightening, bearing in mind that it is our children who are the targets here. I do not think in the least that my questions are either misplaced or baseless when you consider my point of departure.

Is it a coincidence that this same "immunization" campaign is right now current ALL OVER Africa? Should you doubt this, please see the "commercial" break on VOATV, on the African Affairs talk show hosted by Shaka Shali, streaming to Kenya via CITIZEN TV which commercial is urging African viewers to have their children "immunized" (please also see http://www.vaccinealliance.org, which is a web page by a Bill Gates'-funded organization). Why Africa, yet it is reported that in Alabama, U.S.A., that "[o]ne in four children under two are not appropraitely immunized in Alabama" (please see http://www.nnh.org/immunization/immun.25.htm ). The campaign appears to be something deeper, diabolic, sinister, and exceedingly eerie, for, why is it that WHO and its co-worker UNICEF ARE NOT assisting African Governments stock these governments' public hospitals with drugs that are so basic to human health? Measles is NOT a crisis in Africa, even as statistics will indicate (please see African measles statistics at http://www.ifrs.org/WHAT/health/archi/fact/fmeasles.htm ).

I posit that this current measles "immunization" programme is part of the United Nation's stated goal of reducing world population, expressed very lucidly by one Jacques Cousteau, in 1991 in UNESCO Courier ;and I quote him "In order to stabilize world population, we must eliminate 350,000 people per day". (please see http://www.nwo-warning.tripod.com/global-environmental-control). It was frightening therefore, to see that the organizations funding this "immunization" campaign, (UNICEF, and WHO) are United Nation organizations, which as stated, has a hideous plan to reduce world population with the aim of effectuating the so-called "New World Order". Not too long ago, there were rumors in Kenya's central province that the milk supplied to primary level schools under the "free school milk" programme was laced with infertility contents. Did any one fully investigate this before dismissing the "rumor"? I do not know, but is it coincidental that there is now reported a high incidence of HIV-AIDS in many parts of central province, especially Thika. I do not want to sound sensational at all, neither do I want to lend credence to "rumors", but facts must be stated. It is now emerging that WHO (World Health Organization) was part and parcel of the process in the creation of the HIV-AIDS virus in conjunct with the CIA (please see http://www.hackcanada.com/ice3/aids/aidsplot.txt). Specifically, the WHO African smallpox immunizations was reported in The London Times of May 11, 1987 to have been the genesis of AIDS in Africa (please see http://www.sonic.net/sentinel/gvcon1.html). The manifestations of those infections are being witnessed in the current inexplicably high HIV-AIDS cases in Africa. For, is it credible that Africans are more promiscuous than the rest of humanity? No way! Promiscuity is prevalent equally in all human populations, and there is no other way to explain the fact that 80% or thereabout of global HIV/AIDS infections are in Africa, other than there was a deliberate, calculated, seeding of the virus.

Rhetorically, Why is that teenagers are being reported to have full-blown AIDS in Africa? (please see The East African Standard of February 1, 2002 at http://www.eastandard.net, wherein it was reported that " [a]bout 20 percent of young people [read teenagers] aged between 15 and 19 years old have been infected by HIV/AIDS". Now, if a 15 year old has full blown AIDS and the incubation period of HIV is on average said to be 10 years, is it not logical, that going by the "myth" of HIV/AIDS in Africa is principally transmitted through sex, then, such a teenage "victim" had sexual intercourse at age 5 with an equally HIV-infected 5 year old? The "seeding" of the HIV/AIDS virus must have been done during these so-called "vaccinations/immunizations" and we are seeing the spontaneous emergence of AIDS commensurate with the "immunization" projects of the past. The major problem confronting us is that of being brain washed into accepting waht these UN organizations have been shoving at us, "immunization" included, because they have been shorn in an aura of respectability, so that no one in Africa (or very few) readily question their motives or resuts. I posit too, that because of this blind acceptance of these organizations in Africa, they are the best tools to efectuate the diabolical "New World Order".

Chances are that I am immediately at risk of being branded a "suspect" the moment I state these UN bodies have criminal records and a hideous agenda on Africa. But then, these organizations have had botched results in similar "immunization" campaigns elesewhere, and they cannot be trusted to oversee this "immunization" in Kenya.

Take the case of Mexico and the Philippines. In 1994, WHO conducted an "experiment" in conjunction with the government of Mexico using "vacinnes" and the girls who grew up into women were found to have become infertile as well as having had their immune system crippled. Similarly, in the Philippines women who as girls had taken the tetanus "vaccines" administered by WHO in conjunct with that goverment later had miscarriages, still births, or premature births, in what is clearly a criminal and inhuman act (please see http://www..all.org/issues/rini002.htm). Listen to this: "World Health Organization stands behind the tetanus vaccine, emphasizing over and over again that it does not contain any abortifiacient, contraceptive or sterilizing agent. However, [in] the same report ... WHO officials have them saying that the tetanus vaccine does contain some hCG but that this is a good thing because hCG is not anti-hCG and that the hCG is an inhibitor against miscarriage/abortion" (ibid). Why lace a tetanus vaccine with a compound related to birth and/or birth control and NOT tell the recipient of the vaccine? Do you now see why I say these organizations are criminal in these "vaccinations/immunizations"?(please see further information on this at http://www.hli.org).Again, the United States of America (whose CDC is behind part of Africa's present "immunization" programme) manufactured polio vaccines using monkey kidney tissue between 1955 and 1963 which contained a monkey virus (Simian Virus number 40). There is NOW a high incidence of cancer surfacing in the US in which the said virus was detected (please see for details http://www.paranoiamagazine.com/vexing.htm). In a 1999 report by Dr. Allan Cantwell, wistfully titled "Are Vaccines Causing More Disease Than They Are Curing?", there is a chilling reference to the failure of polio vaccines in the U.S. and that in fact, the reported cases of polio could be induced by the vaccines! (please see http://www.whale.to/v/cantwell.html. Please also see the damning facts stated by a vaccine developer at http://www.whale.to/v/rapp.html.)
Consider this also. A vaccination programme in Egypt went disastrously WRONG after Hepatitis C was injected into the population, in a programme "from the 1950s thrugh the early 1980s". As we speak right now, "between 15 and 20 percent of Egypt's population of 63.3 million...have been infected with the [hepatitis C] virus" (source: http://www.whale.to/vaccine/hep.html). If the foregoing is nothing to convince anyone, then I can say nothing more on that, except that I also note that in the imminent "imminization" programme, there is also this contained in the advert :"At the same time [during the "immunization" Children below the age of 5 years will also be given Vitamin A". In what form? Jabs?

Did you know that MERCURY is an ingredient in vaccines? Did you also know that mercury is the chief suspect in autism in children? (please see http://www.members.cox.net/thomasahobbs/yea-22.htm). No studies in Kenya are, to my knowledge, available on the dangers of measles vaccinations among children and the related dangers of autism (I never ran into any during my research). Potentially, therefore, those administering the "vaccines" will be treading on virgin ground, and any complicatins that may subsequently arise may not be readily suspected to have been caused by these jabs.

I challenge all of you reading this, ask yourself "Why do I so unquestioningly trust government in cahoots with a suspect UN system to protect ME and my child?" Further, ask yourself, "With the painful existence that is today's nightmare, what is THIS benevolence extended at no cost to me, and I am being URGED by all means to ensure that my child is "immunized"? I challenge you to think again whether we are not being culled. I challenge yo to think whether your son, your daughter, your nephew, your niece, your cousing, isn't going to be a victim of a diabolical New World Order scheme to cull world population, and the "poor" of the world who are a "burden" on the "developed" world are not the automatic target. I challenge you to think again why this campaign is taking place in ALL of Africa NOW. Are we in for some unprecedented genocide?

Note: I take responsibility for this information. I wrote myself. I give you liberty to publish it if you will, but please acknowldge me as the source.

From: harrison Kinyanjui
greatharrison@yahoo.com
Texas Star:

Despite what the others who choose to attack me on this board say - I am not attempting to trample upon the memory of your unborn child. The fact that you had a funeral for this child shows me personally that you fully intended to carry this child to term. I hope that the funeral provided the closure that you were looking for. At the same time I am sure that the Lord will afford you and your mate other opportunities to have a child and bring him up in the appropriate way.

****

My challenge to you is based purely on the allegations that you are making - NOT A PERSONAL ATTACK.

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Maybe its a coincidence. Maybe not. I know a diverse group of people, and NONE of my white female friends lost a child.


I know a broad spectrum of people. I know of family members who have lost their child during pregnancy. I know friends of all colors who have lost a child during their term.

The statistics say that the infant mortality rate for Blacks is higher than Whites. There are many reasons for this.

You, however, are attempting to apply some sort of AFFRIMATIVE effort to kill Black babies, creating a pattern out of a set of data that may not support your claims.

You post details of a conspiracy in Africa. The same sort of CT had large populations of people fearing taking the polio vaccination and expose the rest of the continent to this ailment that has long been retired from the USA and Europe.

If Black people are so certain that evil scientists are out to KILL US then where is the movement to make more Blacks into Scientists?



Kevin will tell you: "We do have a plan. THEY eliminated Affirmative Action and our plan received a set back".

Once again in his dillusion - He creates a master plan to checkmate his "adversary" and gets tripped up out of the gate because of his CENTRAL DEPENDENCY on that same adversary for the educationt that he will use to apply that checkmate.

With so many unemployed minds or minds that are being focused upon the wrong thing WHERE IS THE ORDERED PROGRAM by the Fundamnentalist Blacks to actually DO SOMETHING to address the situation?
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Originally posted by Constructive Feedback:

You, however, are attempting to apply some sort of AFFRIMATIVE effort to kill Black babies, creating a pattern out of a set of data that may not support your claims.


I think she merely asked a question, didn't she? Beyond that, we ARE talking about a country that we know infected blankets with smallpox and killed millions of Native Americans, that used black men as guinnea pigs in the Tuskegee Experiment, and that we now know has and is currently spying on Americans. In the 1970's there were 200,000 black men in prison in this country; now there are over 2 million - a greater percentage of which are black men.

More directly, we know that there have been systematic efforts to sterilize black women - without their consent - throughout this nation, but particularly in the south. CF - you should check out the phrase "Mississippi appendectomy".

There is all sorts of evidence that the government can and will do whatever it deems necessary to effect its ends.

All that said, is it so unreasonable for her to ask the question based upon her experience?

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If Black people are so certain that evil scientists are out to KILL US then where is the movement to make more Blacks into Scientists?


There are all sorts of efforts to promote black students in the sciences. I attended Syracuse and Duke universities and there were plenty of black students pursuing the sciences and medicine there. I know lots of black MD's and a cousin is an MD/PhD. (BTW - CF - I was at a Christmas event last night at the Atlanta Hilton that was given by a local black physician's organization. You should have been there to ask your questions!)

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With so many unemployed minds or minds that are being focused upon the wrong thing WHERE IS THE ORDERED PROGRAM by the Fundamnentalist Blacks to actually DO SOMETHING to address the situation?


You should open your eyes and mind to the growing black middle class - ALL of whom are doing what you suggest. Perhaps the problem is just that you are not in those circles and so are ignorant to their presence, efforts, and achievements.
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should open your eyes and mind to the growing black middle class - ALL of whom are doing what you suggest. Perhaps the problem is just that you are not in those circles and so are ignorant to their presence


My criticism is NOT as you claim it to be.

I debated with Faheem about Microsoft the other day. This man is proud to be a MCSE. I am PROUD of Faheem for achieving this. (Something that I can say about him upon asking him to spill his guts about his career path - unlike some folks I know).

I then challenged Faheem to justify his fundamental criticism of Microsoft's monopolistic business practices WHILE HE WORKS AS AN AGENT ON BEHALF OF MICROSOFT assisting them in GAINING EVEN MORE MARKETSHARE.

(If you get nothing else get this): I am NOT ARGUING that some of the things that you all are critical of ARE NOT THE CASE. I am asking why you are ASSISTING THEM TO BE with your hard work and investment?
What have you done to counter them? What have you done to DISTANCE YOURSELF from that which is HURTING YOU?

As I drove on the interstate yesterday I saw a Blackman and his family riding in a luxury SUV. As I drove by him I noted 6 LCD screen, one for each person in the car. I noticed expensive rims and all of the options on the car.

I AIN'T MAD AT HIM. It's his money.
YET the very same person, if he follows the popular ideology held by Black America will go out and DAMN BUSH for failing to fund interests that are critical to Black folks. [b]Some of you focus upon the "BEST INTERESTS OF YOUR PEOPLE" in abstract terms only. If THE GOVERNMENT is not the middle man to express your ideology you will totally miss ALL OF THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT YOU HAVE SQUANDERED TO LIVE BY YOUR CREED IN YOUR LIFE AS AN INDIVIDUAL OR INDEPENDENT GROUP OF PEOPLE WITH SHARED INTERESTS.

I must conclude that many of you wage the permanent external stuggle because you don't like what you see ON THE INSIDE. You don't figure tht any amount of your efforts internally is going to change this.

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