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While black folks are the source of still considerable racism and prejudice in America, in reality, we are the wealthy's absolute best friends. The rich in America really do (or should) LOVE black folks, and here's why. Without us, they'd have some real shit on their hands and capitalism as we know it today would probably not exist.

I'm sure you're saying "MBM - what the f*#k are you talking about?"

Black folks represent the easiest and best scapegoat that poor and working class white folks have over frustrations regarding their lot on life. Who does that benefit? Yep - rich white folks who are exploiting their own poor and are the true source of much of their angst.

Capitalism, as it is practced here today, is largely about blind, ravenous greed: a compulsion to make more money above just about all other objectives. In this quest, naturally, the little people get "taken". As the greatest number of "little people" in the country are white - they bear the brunt of a disproportionate serving of exploitation at the hands of rich folks. We need look no further than the current Iraq War to see this in crystal clear action. Poor and working class Americans sacrifice their lives and limbs while Haliburton and Bechtel et al make billions and billions! Black folks serve an extremely important role in this because if there were no black folks for the exploited whites to blame for their position in life - then they would point the finger where it naturally belongs: at the wealthy of their own race. If that happened, the numbers are such that real revolution might occur. At the very least, profits would not be maximized in the way that they are now. Change would be much more radical. Not the kind that created things like Social Security and Welfare, but the kind that radically transforms economies and nations. There were no niggers in Russia or China to blame, hence revolution was real and lasting. American capitalism persists because the rich foment racial hatred among poor whites to effectively get them off their backs. Preposterous you say? Remember the Willie Horton ad? Remember Ronald Reagan going to Philadelphia Mississippi?

Anyway - to make a long story short - if America didn't have black folks here they would have had to import us just for the societal purpose of difusing the class tension that capitalism creates. In fact, I think that this is our greatest contribution to America, even beyond what our ancestors contributed through slavery. We are an extremely cost effective palliative that mollifies working class America. Then when African Americans fight for things like Affirmative Action - it is easy for working class whites to point their finger and talk about how unqualified blacks are taking all the good jobs.

Well America, glad to be of service! :-(

© MBM

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Capitalism, as it is practced here today, is all about a blind, ravenous greed: a compulsion to make more money above just about all other objectives. In the quest for more money, naturally, the little people get "taken".[quote]

Everyone gets taken in Capitalism. The wealthy are just as consumed with the Almighty Dollar as the lowest field worker. What they lack in physical contribution they make up for in mental contribution, spending every waking moment in fear of losing their money, consumed with how they will make more of it, and what will happen to it when they are gone. They get "taken" too.

[quote]Black folks serve an extremely important role in this because if there were no black folks for the exploited whites to blame for their position in life - then they would naturally point the finger where it naturally belongs: at the wealthy of their own race. If that happened, the numbers are such that real revolution might occur.


First, I think this assumes that exploited poor whites are fully aware of the exploitation inherent in Capitalism, which I don't think in general they are. The poor love the idea of capitalism, that all that matters is money and getting it and anything goes and blahblahmindlessdrivel because it plays right into the idea that we are living in some kind of meritocracy. "If I can just work hard and get my hands on enough capital, I, too, can be one of the elite (and have maids and butlers and rule over hundreds of workers and basically continue the cycle of exploitation)." Heh. In the absence of Black people, I can see a revolution, but not a move away from Capitalism. They will always find someone and some reason to subjugate. It's in their blood. IMO, it would be a mere changing of the guard.

There is no place in this world that man can go and say he created peace and harmony. Everywhere he's gone he's created havoc. Everywhere he's gone he's created destruction. (Malcolm)

Second, I think there are probably some North/South/rural/urban differences today between poor whites and the role Black people play in their perception. In the rural South, it seems to me that racism is strong, but in a way that is almost dismissive of Black people. A sort of "Who cares what those niggers are up to?! They're not even human. Everyone knows they'll just fuck it all up anyway whatever it is." They live in a highly-segregated world, untouched for the most part by, well, everything socially-progressive that has happened in this country. At the same time, there's a seething hatred of rich white folks, who have the funds and the pull to disrupt their way of life. They care about emminent domain laws and developers buying up land. The urban South is where you have the white folks who are consumed with Black folks "taking all the good jobs" and "getting into all the good colleges" and "getting all the special programs" etc. who's attention would shift without Black people around as a scapegoat.

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if America didn't have black folks here they would have had to import us just for the societal purpose of difusing the class tension that capitalism creates. In fact, I think that this is our greatest value to America, even beyond what our ancestors contributed through slavery.
In that case, our "greatest" contribution would be that not only do we serve as a distraction that allows poor whites to continue to turn the labor wheels of capitalism, but we also buy into it ourselves and work just as hard to support the very system that oppresses us. Lovely. sck
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Originally posted by Frenchy:

First, I think this assumes that exploited poor whites are fully aware of the exploitation inherent in Capitalism, which I don't think in general they are.


Frenchy - that's the point. They are absolutely oblivious to it. They know that their lives are full of poverty and angst. The rich make them think it's because black folks are taking their jobs or whatever, when in reality it is because they are being exploited by wealthy whites.

That's the point precisely!

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The poor love the idea of capitalism, that all that matters is money and getting it and anything goes and blahblahmindlessdrivel because it plays right into the idea that we are living in some kind of meritocracy. "If I can just work hard and get my hands on enough capital, I, too, can be one of the elite (and have maids and butlers and rule over hundreds of workers and basically continue the cycle of exploitation)."


And this is the marketing appeal that the wealthy sell to the poor to help them buy into capitalism. Just like the prospects of hitting the lottery, poor and working class whites are fixated on one day themselves "making it big" - when in reality, of course, this very rarely happens.
I think that you are touching on one of the flaws of classic socialist theory, namely the reduction of race (gender, sexual orientation, etc) to the epiphenomenal status, with class being primary. It simply does not work like this. And it is not solely an American problem. The same was true in apartheid South Africa. In that instant, they actually stunted the countries economic growth because it would have necessitated greater incorporation of blacks into the economy in non-menial positions.

Poor whites in this country constantly act against their interest because of their identification with white elites who really could care less about them. The elites are doing the same thing with respect to matters such as gay marriage, abortion, and teaching evolution in the schools. The corporate elite trot out these social conservative platforms to mobilize poor and working class whites, when their real agenda is filling their pockets.
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Frenchy - that's the point. They are absolutely oblivious to it. They know that their lives are full of poverty and angst. The rich make them think it's because black folks are taking their jobs or whatever, when in reality it is because they are being exploited by wealthy whites.

That's the point precisely!


Where we disagree is that I don't think that in the absence of Black folks to blame, they will "turn" on Capitalism. They may turn on the currently wealthy, or other minorities, or some other thing, but I don't see them dismantling Capitalism. I see the same old system with new people at the top. They don't seem to want equality, even between themselves.
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Originally posted by Frenchy:

Where we disagree is that I don't think that in the absence of Black folks to blame, they will "turn" on Capitalism. .


Well, revolutions have happened around the world in a variety of countries and cultures - including many of the European lands from which Americans came.
I don't know of any "white" countries living under anything other than capitalism that would lead me to believe they would implement that here in the event of a revolution.

The same people that are putting out the message to "blame Black people for your lot in life" have been lambasting communism and socialism. That is a lot of programming to overcome. When people are used to looking out primarily for "self," they lose respect for and confidence in the capabilities of their fellow man/worker. Furthermore, we are heavily dependent on the international community. It would be very difficult for America to be anything other than Capitalist in a sea of Capitalism. You have more confidence in the stamina and intelligence of poor whites than I do. tongue
I've just not seen any evidence to suggest that the concept of revolution is an outdated one. Beyond that, even short of revolution, the awareness of the true source of their exploitation would certainly lead the masses in America to agitate for greater concessions - which, of course, reduce profits. Again, black folks represent a convenient diversion away from the money machine.
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I've just not seen any evidence to suggest that the concept of revolution is an outdated one.


I 100% agree! tfro

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Beyond that, even short of revolution, the awareness of the true source of their exploitation would certainly lead the masses in America to agitate for greater concessions -


I think they would simply agitate for new leadership - leadership that will claim to look out for the worker/poor/exploited. Sort of like what happens after Republicans run the country into the ground and suddenly people are clammoring to vote in as many Democrats as possible. There will be a bit of change for the better, but poor whites will still be running in the same rat race.

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Again, black folks represent a convenient diversion away from the money machine.


Agreed.
Pretty solid post, good points. But I don't think a flat out revolution would take place in the absence of black people here. Rather, political forces would impose greater "socialization" on the economy, to where our economy would end up more like Germany's or France's. Higher taxes, but free health care, free education for all, less disparity between rich & poor.
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Originally posted by Vox:

Pretty solid post, good points. But I don't think a flat out revolution would take place in the absence of black people here. Rather, political forces would impose greater "socialization" on the economy, to where our economy would end up more like Germany's or France's. Higher taxes, but free health care, free education for all, less disparity between rich & poor.


You may be right NOW. But what if there had NEVER been black folks here? Revolutions were raging around the world in the 19th and early 20th centuries.
I would have to agree with you there. Remember, there was a bit "anarchist" movement in this country a hundred years ago. All kinds of attacks were happening, a couple of presidents were assassinated, the whole nine. Attitudes toward blacks (& immigrants) probably are what kept the country out of revolution back then.

And actually, I think I read once where unionists were trying to erase racism among white laborers, to unite them against the capitalists. Something like, "they're trying to keep you focused on the black man as your enemy, when you should both be united against them," etc. The unions clearly saw racism as an impediment to success against the corporate powers back in the early 1900s. And undoubtedly, so did the communists, who were pretty active here back then. Deep.
'...if America didn't have black folks here they would have had to import us just for the societal purpose of difusing the class tension that capitalism creates. In fact, I think that this is our greatest contribution to America, even beyond what our ancestors contributed through slavery.---MBM

That's a massive trade off.

Without us, they'd have some real shit on their hands and capitalism as we know it today would probably not exist.---MBM

That is what is real.

African American-Americans are the linchpin of every major societal issue in America.

Societal issues: Yes

Political issue: Yes

Economic issues; Yes

African America is the best (ally) of every facet of European America.

African America is an absolutely critical ingredient to not only the construction, but the very existence of the United States of America.

Without us there would be no America.

That is why we are repressed at every turn.

The significance of our presence cannot be tolerated.


PEACE

Jim Chester

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