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What is the current state of black nationalism in the United States? What are the objectives of black nationalists today? Who are the current leaders in black nationalism? What are their strategies to achieve their objectives?

This thread comes from the talk about nationalism in the Nationalism vs. Assimilation thread, and adds to the Black Nationalism 2004 thread.

Just curious about what the latest thinking is on this.

© MBM

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Originally posted by MBM:
In your opinion, is the idea . . . "outmoded" (in practical terms) in 2006? Also, is there any conceptual tension, in your opinion, between nationalism and Pan Africanism?

The idea is not outmoded and it deserves the same attention we, as a collective, have gien to integration.

And yes, there is a conceptual tension between Black nationalism and Pan Africanism because Black nationalism can't happen unless Pan African unity is realized.
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Originally posted by MBM:
In your opinion, is the idea . . . "outmoded" (in practical terms) in 2006? Also, is there any conceptual tension, in your opinion, between nationalism and Pan Africanism?


IMO, black nationalism (as it has existed to date) is a reactionary child born of American soil... It is provincial... miasmic... and as outmoded as the jheri curl... Pan Africanism is a truly international blossoming of the desire for Black self-determination...
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Originally posted by Shango67:

Black nationalism can't happen unless Pan African unity is realized.


Couldn't black nationalism occur on a small scale basis without the broader connection? For example, couldn't a Haiti exist without that country manifesting a meaningful connection to other black folks elsewhere?

I agree wholeheartedly in the optimal version, just wondering about your thoughts on this.
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Originally posted by HonestBrother:
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Originally posted by MBM:
In your opinion, is the idea . . . "outmoded" (in practical terms) in 2006? Also, is there any conceptual tension, in your opinion, between nationalism and Pan Africanism?


IMO, black nationalism (as it has existed to date) is a reactionary child born of American soil... It is provincial... miasmic... and as outmoded as the jheri curl... Pan Africanism is a truly international blossoming of the desire for Black self-determination...

I agree in part. Black nationalism COULD BE a PROACTIVE response to white supremacy if done correctly. I am not ready to throw away Black nationalism in amerikkka because its potential for liberation and empowerment is far greater than voting in a national election every four years.
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Originally posted by HonestBrother:

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Originally posted by MBM:
In your opinion, is the idea . . . "outmoded" (in practical terms) in 2006? Also, is there any conceptual tension, in your opinion, between nationalism and Pan Africanism?


IMO, black nationalism (as it has existed to date) is a reactionary child born of American soil... It is provincial... miasmic... and as outmoded as the jheri curl... Pan Africanism is a truly international blossoming of the desire for Black self-determination...


What if the heat continues to rise on the reparations movement and in 2016 the U.S. decides to grant a reparation in the form of a land grant - Israel-style. Who knows where. Is that completely implausible?
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Originally posted by MBM:
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Originally posted by Shango67:

Black nationalism can't happen unless Pan African unity is realized.


Couldn't black nationalism occur on a small scale basis without the broader connection? For example, couldn't a Haiti exist without that country manifesting a meaningful connection to other black folks elsewhere?

I agree wholeheartedly in the optimal version, just wondering about your thoughts on this.

Haiti is in the condition it is primarily due to the weakness of Africans throughout the Diaspora and its lack of connection to Africa.

Black folks, everywhere, are the only people without a foreign or domestic policy.
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Originally posted by MBM:
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Originally posted by HonestBrother:

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Originally posted by MBM:
In your opinion, is the idea . . . "outmoded" (in practical terms) in 2006? Also, is there any conceptual tension, in your opinion, between nationalism and Pan Africanism?


IMO, black nationalism (as it has existed to date) is a reactionary child born of American soil... It is provincial... miasmic... and as outmoded as the jheri curl... Pan Africanism is a truly international blossoming of the desire for Black self-determination...


What if the heat continues to rise on the reparations movement and in 2016 the U.S. decides to grant a reparation in the form of a land grant - Israel-style. Who knows where. Is that completely implausible?

Not implausible. But, I caution, anything looking like Israel for Black folks may not be the right move - I am speaking in terms of control and autonomy.
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Originally posted by Shango67:
Not implausible. But, I caution, anything looking like Israel for Black folks may not be the right move - I am speaking in terms of control and autonomy.


Israel is highly dependent upon Western (read US) aid... The fact is, Israel, from its inception, has been a prime player in US geopolitical maneuvering in the region.
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Originally posted by HonestBrother:

Israel is highly dependent upon Western (read US) aid...


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The fact is, Israel, from its inception, has been a prime player in US geopolitical maneuvering in the region.


Those two statements, while perhaps true, seem to be at odds with each other. While they may be highly dependent upon our aid, they also are - fa sho - wagging the dog on a lot! bsm
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Originally posted by HonestBrother:

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Originally posted by MBM:
What if the heat continues to rise on the reparations movement and in 2016 the U.S. decides to grant a reparation in the form of a land grant - Israel-style. Who knows where. Is that completely implausible?


As implausible as George W. Bush admitting he made a mistake...


I don't know. Going from being considered a wild animal, a piece of chattel property, 3/5 of a human to having this conversation with you now - IMO - is an extraordinary stretch. All of a sudden, black folks execute an integrated attack on corporate interests that were involved in slavery - I could definitely see corporate America pressuring the government to get African America off their back if a reparation award would relieve the pressure. Maybe giving us some land somewhere is an ideal solution for white America?

I also think this is a plausible way to generate meaningful inertia behind reparations.
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Originally posted by Yemaya:

What does Israel have to do with Black Nationalism? I would just like to say please, leave Israel out of the discussion about our people. We need to focus instead of getting so easily distracted with the Israel issue. That is often used to keep us from focusing on issues with us.


In its most basic form: Black Nationalism = Zionism - a strategy, a campaign, a movement to acquire a homeland.

Israel is an artificial, political land mass that was created to give a disposessed group of people a homeland. There's a lot that African America could learn from the successes and mistakes of Zionism IMO.
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don't know. Going from being considered a wild animal, a piece of chattel property, 3/5 of a human to having this conversation with you now - IMO - is an extraordinary stretch.

I don't think whites have changed their attitudes inasmuch as they have refined the system of white supremacy.
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All of a sudden, black folks execute an integrated attack on corporate interests that were invloved in slavery - I could definitely see corporate America pressuring the government to get African America off their back if a reparation award would relieve the pressure

White folks will draw the line in the sand on this one, MBM. This is much bigger than a bus boycott to them.

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