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All over the net I have read stories and anecdotes about bisexual or down low black men.

These men are gay, but they masquerade as straight. They suck dick, take dick up the ass, fuck men in the ass. And still call themselves straight.

What a joke. In some of the stuff I've read, some women blame THEMSELVES for the behavior of these men.

One man said that he started fucking guys because his wife had gained too much weight and he no longer found her desirable. And guess what?

Wifey actually considered that as a legitimate reason for his straying with men.

Well, I posted her a note explaining that she was in no way to blame for her husband's covert sexual encounters with men.

I don't care how corpulent a woman gets, NO STRAIGHT, pussy loving, breasts loving man is going to turn to another man for sex. The very thought would make him regurgitate.

I'm amazed that wifey even considered what he said as a possibility.

He had sex with men because he enjoys men and the pleasure he can derive from them.

I was talking to this white girl, who dates black men exclusively. "Be careful," I warned her.

She frowned. "What are you talking about?"

"Girl, most black men are bisexual," I said. "Most black men who date white women are bi."

Well, I expected her to VEHEMENTLY repudiate what I know to be a fact. But surprise of all surprises, she said, "I know."

"They certainly didn't admit it to you," I said. "So, how do you know?"

"Well, when you date a guy and he's always asking you for certain things in bed. It makes you wonder."

"Girl, did some man ask to fuck you in the ass?" I asked, in no mood for coyness.

She chuckled sheepishly. "Well, yeah. I figure some guy asking me for that type of sex might be gay."

"He is. He prefers gay sex. While he was penetrating you anally, he was probably imaginging that you were some guy he had the hots for."

"And this one guy, I got a feeling he was gay when I first met him. And he asked me for a date, and I told him that I thought he was gay."

"Ooh, what did he say?" I questioned.

He said, 'Naw, girl. Naw, naw. I ain't like that. I don't feel other dudes.' I went out with him and then he tried to get me to do anal."

"Cuz his ass is gay," I said. "Be careful with black men. Always use a condom and ask them to get tested."

I had a chat with this gay guy, Reggie. Reggie and I grew up in the same neighborhood. As adults, we went to gay bars and partied, etc. Reggie told me about sexual encounters he had had with several young men in the neighborhood.

He named many names. He also told me that he did it with my brother. My eyes dilated. "You had sex with my brother?"

"Yeah, girl," Reggie said, laughing, looking embarrassed.

I believed him. My brother is masculine looking and acting. And he always had girls coming around to visit or ringing him up. So it never occurred to me that he had tendencies.

Reggie is open about being gay. I asked him how did men get on the subject of having sex with other men. "The conversation gets on sex," Reggie said. "And they'll get this dumb look on their face and say, 'If a man wants to suck my dick, I'll let him do it.' Or, they'll say, 'I have fucked dudes.'" See, that is their way of letting me know that they're open to a gay encounter. And from there it goes."

Reggie explained that some of them won't do any more than let a guy suck their dick. But he said most of them are willing to fuck and after a while, they will suck dick or take it up their butts.

I asked my brother about his sexual interludes with Reggie. "Girl, you're crazy," he yelled. "I didn't do anything with no goddamn man."

I could tell by his expression that he was lying. And I told my mother about it and naturally, she screamed, "Doug likes girl."
Of course, she was going to defend her baby boy. Black women are quick to defend black men even when they are in the wrong.

"Mama, Doug likes having the best of both worlds. Now, he had sex with Reggie. Reggie would not have said this if it wasn't true. I mean, what would he gain by lying? I believe, Reggie."

My brother continued to fiercely deny being bisexual. "Would you be willing to take a lie detector test?" I said. "I'll pay for it."

I figured that if I flipped through the yellow pages, I could have found someone to administer a polygragh for a fee.

"I ain't takin' no motherfuckin' lie detector test," my brother snarled. When he got enraged, his language became very street. "I don't have to prove shit to you."

"What if I paid you a thousand bucks. You take the test and let me see the results and I'll pay you a grand for your troubles."

"I'm not doing that," he said.

"You're refusing to do it because you know that test will prove incontrovertibly that you like having sex with men."

My mother got pissed with me. She accused me of trying to demean my brother. Black women are always defending black men and if a black woman doesn't jump on the protect black men bandwagon, well, she is a ball breaking dyke.

There is a reason that more black women have HIV than any other race and that is because of bisexual black men. Watch 'em girls. They will kill you.
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taffy ...

You are beginning to sound like a black man who has been hurt by another black man! Eek

For someone who has such an obvious dislike for them, you seem to know everything there is to know about them and their feelings and their actions, you talk about them incessantly like there is no other subject on earth, and you are obsessed with sex on every level!!

I don't know anyone who talks about something or someone that they don't like as much as you (supposedly) don't like Black men ... so, perhaps you are a black man who has no choice to talk about them because that's what you see when you look in the mirror everyday!

And then with a name like Taffy .... Confused Are you looking for a closet to come out of??
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Originally posted by EbonyRose:
taffy ...

You are beginning to sound like a black man who has been hurt by another black man! Eek

For someone who has such an obvious dislike for them, you seem to know everything there is to know about them and their feelings and their actions, you talk about them incessantly like there is no other subject on earth, and you are obsessed with sex on every level!!

I don't know anyone who talks about something or someone that they don't like as much as you (supposedly) don't like Black men ... so, perhaps you are a black man who has no choice to talk about them because that's what you see when you look in the mirror everyday!

And then with a name like Taffy .... Confused Are you looking for a closet to come out of??



Online, I've been called a transvestite, a white man, a black man, a white supremacist. I really don't care what anyone thinks of me. Hey, we're not neighbors.

In real life, I've been called a frustrated dyke. Because I hang out with gay guys, I've been called a fag hag.

I'm not a lesbian. I don't find women remotely appealing. However, I enjoy men thinking that I have lesbian tendencies. I can just imagine what they're thinking, that I swing both ways and they could get a threesome.

I deny having an "obvious dislike" of black men. I enjoy talking to them. Of course, they don't know the anger I have towards them. And in a face-to-face situation, they will never know it.

JUDGE JOE BROWN believes in making men dance to the music. Does he dislike them?

I am sick of seeing black bastards getting pampered and protected, even when they fuck up.
I'm sick of hearing black women say that she's going to stand by him regardless of what he does.

Also, regarding my preoccupation with sex. I am a very sexual woman. When the kids are not here, I walk around the house NUDE. I shower with my husband. I have given him hand jobs when we're on the highway. We have played with honey and whipped cream. I love sipping a hot beverage and then performing fellatio on my husband. He loves it.

Men have not cornered the market on sex.

Call me a whore, if you like.

I admire my own body. I watch my weight. I love doing my hair and applying my makeup and viewing myself naked in the looking glass. I get turned on byy the sight of myself.

Frankly, I resent men because of the freedom they have to express themselves sexually without apology. When I was SINGLE and played around, I was called a ho. A man does it, he's just being a man.

And lastly, the Taffy nickname is a name my mother gave me. When she was pregnant, daddy took her to the beach and bought her salt water taffy. She said, "If we have a girl, let's name her Taffy."

He hated the name and they agreed that my sobriquet would be Taffy.

I stick by what I said, nost black men are gay. Sorry if that unsettles you, Ebony Rose. If you'd really think about it, you'd quickly realize that most of them are gay. I advise you to befriend a gay guy so you can get some insight into male sexuality. Go to a gay bar and you will see men who LOOK like Kobe dancing and smooching with men who LOOK like Malik Yoba. And the sight of such things will make a wise woman exercise caution when dealing with men.

In a perfect world, we'd like it if we could rely on black men to have our backs, to protect us. They're not capable of protecting anybody. Most of them don't know how to take care of themselves, which is why they have women do it.

Which is why they don't even have the intelligence to use condoms when they engage in gay sex. They know men sexing men is risky business, yet they eschew prophylactics. How idiotic.
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And he always had girls coming around to visit or ringing him up


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I've been called a fag hag


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viewing myself naked in the looking glass


These are all very curious phrasing for a Black person to use.

While I can't say that males use the language differently from females, I can and do say that white folk use the language differently from Black folk.

I can't say whether Taffy is male or female; however, I submit that either Taffy is non-Black or was raised and currently associates [almost exclusively] non-Black.

You can't fool all of the people all of the time [especially, one that makes his/her living noticing inconsistencies and/or flaws in presentation.] nono
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Originally posted by Kweli4Real:
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And he always had girls coming around to visit or ringing him up


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I've been called a fag hag


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viewing myself naked in the looking glass


These are all very curious phrasing for a Black person to use.

While I can't say that males use the language differently from females, I can and do say that white folk use the language differently from Black folk.

I can't say whether Taffy is male or female; however, I submit that either Taffy is non-Black or was raised and currently associates [almost exclusively] non-Black.

You can't fool all of the people all of the time [especially, one that makes his/her living noticing inconsistencies and/or flaws in presentation.] nono




For ten years, I attended a private school and all my classmates were white. I grew up reading Louisa May Alcott's, Little Wiomen and all the Judy Blume novels, etc.

When I entered high school, frankly, black girls scared me. They had their own unique speech patterns and some of them poked fun of me becasue I "talked like a white girl."

I wanted to get to know these girls, but I wasn't about to mimic their demeanors or speech pattern. My motto was, accept me or go to hell.

I had been the sole black person in a white environment and honestly, I encountered no prejudice. But it made me feel a kinship with gay people. I knew what it was like to be different from other people. So when gay guys reached out to me, I embraced them.

I read The autobiography of Malcolm X, the book about those kids who integrated that school in Arkansas, all the works of Maya Angelou, Toni Cade Bambara, Alice Walker and not because it was assigned to me in school, but because I was interested in the voices of these black scribes.

In college, my discipline was English, so I admire the King's English and the written word.

Frankly, it is narrow-minded of you to suggest that black people speak one way and whites another. I listen to George Benson, Fantasia, The Fifth Dimension, Loretta Lynn, Patsy Cline, Beyonce, Mary J Blige, Whitney Houston.

My favorite movies are STEEL MAGNOLIAS, LOOK WHO'S TALKING, THE ENGLISH PATIENT. I have watched Romeo and Juliet countless times.

My favorite playwright is Tennesee Williams. My favorite short story writer is Flannery O'Connor.

When I write, I write it the way it comes out of me. I will call a mirror a looking glass. I will say ring up instead of phone.

I read a lot and my word choices are more a reflection of that than my race.

I did not even become conscientious of race. Believe it or not, one time I was color-blind until I notice that black boyfriends were looking at white women. I wondered what was it about me that kept attracting black men who liked white women.

And I now realize it is because although I am black, I was more like a white girl and that's what appealed to them. Because in truth, that's what they CRAVE.

If it is your job to catch flaws in presentation, well it is my unhappy responsibility to inform you that you will soon be handed a pink-slip because your deduction is faulty, to say the least.

And I am not trying to fool anybody. What would be the point? What would I accomplish? I just want these women to know that black males are not to be trusted, that if she isn't careful, he'll infect her with AIDS.

Many, many, many black guys are gay. And they use women as covers.
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If it is your job to catch flaws in presentation, well it is my unhappy responsibility to inform you that you will soon be handed a pink-slip because your deduction is faulty, to say the least.


Ummm ... No it's not ...

I said:

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either Taffy is non-Black or was raised and currently associates [almost exclusively] non-Black


You said:

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For ten years, I attended a private school and all my classmates were white. I grew up reading Louisa May Alcott's, Little Wiomen and all the Judy Blume novels, etc.

When I entered high school, frankly, black girls scared me. They had their own unique speech patterns and some of them poked fun of me becasue I "talked like a white girl."

I wanted to get to know these girls, but I wasn't about to mimic their demeanors or speech pattern. My motto was, accept me or go to hell.


And, more disturbingly:

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I did not even become conscientious of race. Believe it or not, one time I was color-blind until I notice that black boyfriends were looking at white women. I wondered what was it about me that kept attracting black men who liked white women.

And I now realize it is because although I am black, I was more like a white girl and that's what appealed to them. Because in truth, that's what they CRAVE.


But the above, explains your twisted, and honestly, narcissistic persona.

But then again, you do make an interesting literary character. Roll Eyes
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But the above, explains your twisted, and honestly, narcissistic persona.

But then again, you do make an interesting literary character. Roll Eyes


I'll be the first to admit that I am vain and narcissitic.

To stay thin, I fast a twice a week. I doll myself up, hair and makeup and I take myself out to lunch or shopping. I don't want other women with me because I want the spotlight solely on me. And I don't hang out with women who surpass me in the prettiness department.

In the summertime, I go to the beach, donning two-piece bathing suits and I prance around the beach, with my eyes covered with sunglasses. I enjoy the effect I have on men, particularly black men. They want me. I can see it in their eyes. And I get turned on by them looking at me lasciviously while I stand before them, half-naked.

The reason it didn't work with me and black men is because they wanted to have me and multiple partners (in one case, men and women) and I refuse to brook such disrespect.

Regarding your crack about me being a literary character. Well, you just about nailed it. The person I've presented in this forum is the real me. I decided a long time ago, to simply be my honest self and if somebody doesn't like it, SCREW them.

Lots of people, women and men, create a persona. Some women present themselves as churchgoing, virtuous, always saying the right thing, oftentimes repressing her real self.

What about reverends, claiming to espouse the word of God. And in truth, they are oversexed opportunists and careerists. Sleeping with men and women.

I am vain. I like sex. My face is gorgeous and I use it and my hair and my chest to get what I want. I say what I feel. All this sensitive, warm bullshit that some women spew. That ain't me. So, why pretend.

I get off on attention. I DO NOT cheat on my husband. But men think I'm game for extramarital flings, and when they approach me, I turn them down.

My husband is good to me and he deserves my loyalty. And loyalty is a foreign concept to some black folk.

Men can look, but they can't touch this.

In closing, I have to say that you got me thinking. I want to write fiction that will appeal to African American bookworms. Because of your comments, I wonder if I should watch using words like ring up or looking glass or referring to lawyers as barristers or an assortment of candies as allsorts.

I don't want to write stuff that no one can relate to, but I think most people are interested in learning new words and phrases. I pick up new words in my daily reading and when on vacation.

I know that some of the words I use are not typical of black people. But it is not necessary for us to be clones of one another.
FACTS:

White men are the biggest Bi/downlow/ homosexuals in America.

White men are the chief users of homosexual escort services.

Most users of homosexual street prostitutes are married white men.

And the biggest users of transvestites and pre-op trannys are married white men.

The devil white media and their house negro boot lickers are capitalizing on this "down low"
Black men B.S. because it's a catchy phrase and it's a new way to try to castrate the collective Black man.

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Originally posted by Frenchy:
Kweli, what is it about those words that scream "WHITE" and why is this:

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was raised and currently associates [almost exclusively] non-Black


worth pointing out? Sounds like a variation of "You're not Black enough, so shut up!" to me. hit Smile


My point is there are phrases and word usages that are fairly foreign to Black usage. Referring to a mirror as a "looking Glass" is one of them. Have you ever heard a Black person use it?
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Originally posted by Escaped Slave:
FACTS:

White men are the biggest Bi/downlow/ homosexuals in America.

White men are the chief users of homosexual escort services.

Most users of homosexual street prostitutes are married white men.

And the biggest users of transvestites and pre-op trannys are married white men.

The devil white media and their house negro boot lickers are capitalizing on this "down low"
Black men B.S. because it's a catchy phrase and it's a new way to try to castrate the collective Black man.



I agree with everything you say regarding white bisexual men. To put it bluntly, white men are sucking dick and taking it up the ass too.

But everything you've ascribed to white men can also be applied to black men. My CONCERN is the growing number of black women being diagnosed with HIV. These women report that they got it from their boyfriends, who are ostensibly straight.

I know a black she-male, whom I met in a creative writing class. She admitted to the group that she was a transsexual and in private, she told me that she had breasts and a penis. She told me that she frequently went on chat lines and talked to men, explaining that she was a she-male. She said they were impressed with her voice and wanted to see a picture of her. So, she emailed them a photo.

I would say that she looked similar to Holly Robinson. Nothing to boast about, but for a she-male, that isn't bad.

"The guys wanted to get together with me," she said.

"Did you do it?" I asked, hungry for the information.

She allowed them to come to the house she shares with her mom. And while her mom was in her room, sleeping, girlfriend would be entertaining her gentlemen callers.

My point is she went to an environment populated by supposedly "straight" men and she told them she was a she-male and she managed to get sexual dates. Huh?

Now, in my opinion, any man that would fuck a she-male is gay. And this she-male told me that she was submissive, that she only allowed men to fuck her. But some she-males will fuck men.

"What?" I asked, appalled, shocked, flabbergasted. I had assumed that a she-male would play a woman's role. Well, she gave me a newsflash.

According to Miss She-male, some she-males fuck men. She said most of the men she screwed around with were married or had girlfriends.

She said the married ones treated her better than the single ones.

Ain't nobody trying to tear black men down. Until black women started getting infected at such alarming rates, nobody mentioned the dual roles that men lived. But we are talking about a woman's life, so somebody has to speak out.

What is more important to you, a black man's precious reputation or a black woman's health and life?

I think I'll vote for the latter.
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Originally posted by Kweli4Real:
Referring to a mirror as a "looking Glass" is one of them. Have you ever heard a Black person use it?


I seem to recall Alice Walker using the word in The Color Purple.

Also, once upon a time, I went to a Greek restaurant with a black man. We ate kataferi and mousaka, are you going to argue that that doesn't sound black?

This man was not an uppity nigger. He was simply a black person who was trying to broaden his horizons.

I have had dealings with many black men who spoke like Carlton Banks, but looked like Malik Yoba.
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My point is there are phrases and word usages that are fairly foreign to Black usage. Referring to a mirror as a "looking Glass" is one of them. Have you ever heard a Black person use it?


No. But I've never heard a white person use it either. I use plenty of words that I don't hear many other Black people using. I don't see how that necessarily indicates what race of people I associate with or how in-tune I am with other Black people. Do you subscribe to the idea of "talking Black" or "talking white?"

Beyond that, why is it important that taffy, or anyone else, was raised and currently associates [almost exclusively] non-Black? I don't understand why you mentioned that. Do we all have to be raised around and primarily associate with other Black people in order to be taken seriously? Confused
CDC: HIV infection rate decreases in blacks
Racial disparities still exist despite decline in new cases


ATLANTA, Georgia (AP) -- The rate of newly reported HIV cases among blacks has been dropping by about 5 percent a year since 2001, the government said Thursday. But blacks are still eight times more likely than whites to be diagnosed with the AIDS virus.

"The racial disparities remain severe," said Lisa Lee, an epidemiologist at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

The falling rate among blacks seems to be tied to overlapping drops in diagnoses among intravenous drug users and heterosexuals, CDC researchers said.

The study was based on 2001-04 data from 33 states that have name-based reporting systems for HIV. Health officials do not know which diagnoses represent new infections and which ones were infections people had for years but had just discovered.

The CDC found that overall diagnoses in the 33 states decreased slightly, from 41,207 cases in 2001 to 38,685 in 2004. The rate fell from 22.8 cases per 100,000 people in 2001 to 20.7 per 100,000 in 2004.

The decline was more pronounced among blacks -- the rate dropped from 88.7 per 100,000 in 2001 to 76.3 in 2004. Among whites, the rate rose slightly from 8.7 to 9.0.

At least part of the decline among blacks appears to be tied to a 9 percent annual decline in diagnoses among intravenous drug users, who can get the virus from contaminated needles. More than half of the drug users were black, Lee said.

The decline is also linked to a 4 percent decline in diagnoses among heterosexuals. About 69 percent of the heterosexuals diagnosed with HIV were black.

Diagnoses among men who have sex with men remained roughly stable from 2001 to 2003 but climbed 8 percent between 2003 and 2004. That was true for men of all races, CDC officials said. But they could not explain the recent increase.

In New York, needle exchange programs helped explain declining HIV infection rates, said state Health Department spokeswoman Claire Pospisil. New York introduced needle exchanges in 1992, and 114,500 people have participated, she said.

Most public health researchers say such programs have been clearly effective against the spread of HIV, but some argue they work against efforts to fight drug abuse.

"The AIDS virus is spread through voluntary behavior. An unlimited supply of needles will not alter behavior patterns of irresponsible and often psychotic addicts," the conservative Family Research Council said in a statement.

The government does not know exactly how many people have HIV. Roughly 25 percent of people living with HIV do not know they are infected, health officials said.

The study for the first time includes data from New York, which accounted for more than 20 percent of the diagnoses seen in the 33 states. "The inclusion of New York data gives us more representative picture what going on," Lee said.

California and Illinois are among the states still missing from the database.



Find this article at:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/HEALTH/conditions/11/17/blacks.hiv.ap/index.html
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Originally posted by EbonyRose:
CDC: HIV infection rate decreases in blacks
Racial disparities still exist despite decline in new cases


ATLANTA, Georgia (AP) -- The rate of newly reported HIV cases among blacks has been dropping by about 5 percent a year since 2001, the government said Thursday. But blacks are still eight times more likely than whites to be diagnosed with the AIDS virus.

"The racial disparities remain severe," said Lisa Lee, an epidemiologist at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

The falling rate among blacks seems to be tied to overlapping drops in diagnoses among intravenous drug users and heterosexuals, CDC researchers said.

The study was based on 2001-04 data from 33 states that have name-based reporting systems for HIV. Health officials do not know which diagnoses represent new infections and which ones were infections people had for years but had just discovered.

The CDC found that overall diagnoses in the 33 states decreased slightly, from 41,207 cases in 2001 to 38,685 in 2004. The rate fell from 22.8 cases per 100,000 people in 2001 to 20.7 per 100,000 in 2004.

The decline was more pronounced among blacks -- the rate dropped from 88.7 per 100,000 in 2001 to 76.3 in 2004. Among whites, the rate rose slightly from 8.7 to 9.0.

At least part of the decline among blacks appears to be tied to a 9 percent annual decline in diagnoses among intravenous drug users, who can get the virus from contaminated needles. More than half of the drug users were black, Lee said.

The decline is also linked to a 4 percent decline in diagnoses among heterosexuals. About 69 percent of the heterosexuals diagnosed with HIV were black.

Diagnoses among men who have sex with men remained roughly stable from 2001 to 2003 but climbed 8 percent between 2003 and 2004. That was true for men of all races, CDC officials said. But they could not explain the recent increase.

In New York, needle exchange programs helped explain declining HIV infection rates, said state Health Department spokeswoman Claire Pospisil. New York introduced needle exchanges in 1992, and 114,500 people have participated, she said.

Most public health researchers say such programs have been clearly effective against the spread of HIV, but some argue they work against efforts to fight drug abuse.

"The AIDS virus is spread through voluntary behavior. An unlimited supply of needles will not alter behavior patterns of irresponsible and often psychotic addicts," the conservative Family Research Council said in a statement.

The government does not know exactly how many people have HIV. Roughly 25 percent of people living with HIV do not know they are infected, health officials said.

The study for the first time includes data from New York, which accounted for more than 20 percent of the diagnoses seen in the 33 states. "The inclusion of New York data gives us more representative picture what going on," Lee said.

California and Illinois are among the states still missing from the database.



Find this article at:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/HEALTH/conditions/11/17/blacks.hiv.ap/index.html



I saw this article a few days ago and it is good news. But I think JL King's book and women becoming aware of male sexuality has played a role in women playing it safe while dealing with men. Black men are shady and I know of two women who died of AIDS because of their down low boyfriends.

Defend them if you must. But I won't defend them. I support gay rights. But I do not support any man lying to a woman about who he is, using her as a cover. It is wrong and it is too bad that morality cannot be abjudicated in a tribunal. Some of these men should be locked up, should lose their right to vote for committing crimes of the heart.
This is to Taffy with her post on Nov. 25, 2005 at 10:07- ARE YOU CRAZY? FOR ONE I HATE THAT WORD NI----, AND ANYONE THAT SAYS IT. Do you read? Do you even see what happens in the paper? Do you look at sports? We, MY SISTA, are every where. BLACKS has came a long way, and we will continue to rise. The way you write your posts makes most of the people on the forum unhappy, so WHY DO YOU WRITE? I think half of the people here disagrees with the sh-- you have to say, and the other half don't want to hear it. You seem like a very smart woman, but you have too many issues about OUR people--oh yeah, you are BLACK too, haven't you noticed? You sound like a WHITE woman stuck in a BLACK woman's body. I am ashamed to call you MY SISTA.
I love my black people, and every chance I get to help our people--I'm there. I love the BLACK man; he is my KING, and I am his BLACK queen.
YOU DID KNOW THE BLACKER THE BERRY, THE SWEETER THE JUICE or BLACK IS BEAUTIFUL? you need to say this to yourself everyday, because everyone will be judged, and I can't judge anyone but myself. You have demons that you mean professional help with, and I suggest you get it solved because this forum is called AFRICANAMERICA and I feel I belong here. Ask yourself DO I REALLY BELONG HERE?

I apologize to the rest of the forum for any unacceptible speech that I may have done, but mI just get upset with people that downs our people.

100% BLACK and PROUD OF IT
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Originally posted by donna529:
This is to Taffy with her post on Nov. 25, 2005 at 10:07- ARE YOU CRAZY? FOR ONE I HATE THAT WORD NI----, AND ANYONE THAT SAYS IT. Do you read? Do you even see what happens in the paper? Do you look at sports? We, MY SISTA, are every where. BLACKS has came a long way, and we will continue to rise. The way you write your posts makes most of the people on the forum unhappy, so WHY DO YOU WRITE? I think half of the people here disagrees with the sh-- you have to say, and the other half don't want to hear it. You seem like a very smart woman, but you have too many issues about OUR people--oh yeah, you are BLACK too, haven't you noticed? You sound like a WHITE woman stuck in a BLACK woman's body. I am ashamed to call you MY SISTA.
I love my black people, and every chance I get to help our people--I'm there. I love the BLACK man; he is my KING, and I am his BLACK queen.
YOU DID KNOW THE BLACKER THE BERRY, THE SWEETER THE JUICE or BLACK IS BEAUTIFUL? you need to say this to yourself everyday, because everyone will be judged, and I can't judge anyone but myself. You have demons that you mean professional help with, and I suggest you get it solved because this forum is called AFRICANAMERICA and I feel I belong here. Ask yourself DO I REALLY BELONG HERE?

I apologize to the rest of the forum for any unacceptible speech that I may have done, but mI just get upset with people that downs our people.

100% BLACK and PROUD OF IT



You said half of the people here disagree with the shit I have to say and you are probably correct. What black woman wants to admit that black men prefer white women over her. I'm a black woman and that hurts like hell. But hey, I accept it.

Most people don't want to own up to the truth. Most people are in denial.

Sorry, Donna, but I don't agree with supporting black men regardless of what they do.

You're damn right I have some issues with black men. I see PLENTY that rubs me the wrong way.

Every morning, when my little girl and I are out on errands, I see black women at the bus stop with a child or two. Some of these women are going to school. Some are on their way to work.

In many instances, she is a single mom. So-called black men sired those children, but they aren't helping her raise them. He may not even be giving her child support.

Then I'll be in the mall, or my favorite gourmet supermarket or restaurant at lunch time, and I see well-groomed black men dining with white women. I see black men in the grocery store with white women.

I've seen black men in a department store in ladies apparel with a white woman helping her select a garment. Or at the cosmetic's department helping her pick out a fragrance.

Now, that man has a right to be with who he wants to be with. This is America. But I can't help but feel that that black woman at the bus stop is being maltreated. The black chick struggles while a black bastard is off pampering a white chick.

This summer, I was at the beach SEVERAL TIMES and I saw COUNTLESS black women with other black women, and a gaggle of children, who were eating snow cones and cotton candy. Their loving mamas were showing them a good time.

I often see black women showing their black children a good time, creating good memories for them at the carnival and amusement park. Rarely is a black man with them.

But I see these same NIGGER men with white women and 100% WHITE children that they did not even sire.

Those jerks have been known to leave their BLACK children to help white women raise white children by white men.

What's your position on that, Donna? Do you think, "Oh, he has a right to do what he wants to do."

Well, you know what I think. Sometimes in life, you don't do what you want to do. You do the right thing. You do the moral thing.

And another thing, when a black man leaves a black woman and HIS CHILDREN to lay up with a white woman, what kind of message is his sending to his black children?

Forget about the woman he deserted. She's an adult. She can take care of herself. But what about the kids. What kind of a message is that sending to a black boy?

Oh, white women are superior to black women. Son, they are so special, just walk out on your family for them.

What kind of a message does it send to a black girl? You aren't pretty enough, so expect a black man to leave you.

Sorry, but when I see black men with white women, I THINK about all those single black moms, STRUGGLING alone. I think about the black girl he probably used and hurt while he was priming himself, career-wise for white women.

Lots of black guys had black girlfriends during the lean years. But when he hit it big in his career, he got rid of her and took up with a white chick. May he burn in hell.

Donna, I advise you to face up to the fact that MOST black men enjoy having sex with other men. If you don't acknowledge that, well, dear girl, I'm afraid someone from the health department will eventually knock on your door to inform you that you have HIV.

The way you carry on ad infinitum about me speaking a little truth, you'll probably blame that on yourself. I could just hear you. "Maybe if I had been a better girlfriend or wife. If I had been thinner, he wouldn't have been out screwing guys."

They screw men because that is what they prefer. Somewhere I read where a down low sicko said, "Women are for relationships and men are for sex."

The man is depraved.

Men on the down low probably adore women like you. He knows that conning you is a cinch.

If he comes across tough and macho, well, you'd never think he was gay. HA!

Donna, think about something. If a woman is friends with a gay man and her boyfriend tells her, "You shouldn't hang around with him. You're known by the company you keep."

You may think he's a homophobe. My guess is doesn't want her to be friends with a gay man because he knows that she will receive information about male sexuality. He doesn't want her knowing that he sucks dick and screws men in the butt or recieves it in his butt.

And in closing, I support your right to say what ever you damn well please, but being viewed as your sista is not important to me.

When my book is in the market, I expect to be called everything, but a child of God.

People are frequently tell me, "Taffy, there are some good black men. Look at some of the men at church."

Ha!

I frequently see black family men in church, in the park with their wives and children. And they hit on me. So what if he is with his wife and children. If he's hitting on me, he is NOT a qaulity black man.

Not too long ago, my husband and I were at the planetarium with our kids. And I saw what I think was a black nuclear family, man, woman and two children. Well, my husband took the kids to the snack bar to get some juice. While
they were gone, the male component of the nuclear family approached me. "How ya doing?" he said, cutting his eyes to make sure he wasn't being observed by his group who had gone off to another part of the planetarium.

He asked me for my phone number. "I'm married," I said.

"So am I. That doesn't mean we can't get to know each other."

I forced a smile and walked off.


I'm sure he has a reputation as a quality black man. I wonder what his allies and comrades would think if they knew he was at the planetarium trying to pick up women.

I've had a few girlfreinds whose quality husbands have hit on me.

Yeah, tell me, I did something to encourage it.

Bill Cosby is supposedly such a family man. Look at some of the shit he was involved in, hitting on women, a woman claimed that he sired her daughter.

I could sit here all morning debunking that argument about quality black men. They do not exist.
Hun you really should seek some type of therapy. Or maybe you just need a life or a man(or woman, that's up to you)somebody that you can tell your long disrepectful stories regarding african american men. Also maybe you need to stop typing so much and try to figure out where all of your hate for people or my bad dislike for men and white women comes from. I take tremedous offense when you write those "stories" about how much you don't like black men and how they are so gay and how you don't like white women. When are people going to realize bang, race cannot be determined anymore. Everyone has white or indian or asian or some other ethnicity in them, so when you post some mess like this, you have to remember you are not only talking about those peoople you are also talking about yourself. So maybe you should look into the therapy thing, but if you've already been then really should sue your therapist because I'm convince they didn't succeed in there mission.
So taffy ...

Are White men perfect to you?

Just in case your answer is "no" (which I wouldn't bet on), why have you not said the same things about them that you have inundated this board with about Black men?

Are you prejudiced? Do you prefer to only down Black men for things that White men are also guilty of doing? Are you a racist? Why haven't we been given a similar sermon about other men other than Black men from you?
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Originally posted by taffy:
Ain't nobody trying to tear black men down. Until black women started getting infected at such alarming rates, nobody mentioned the dual roles that men lived. But we are talking about a woman's life, so somebody has to speak out.


Why not "speak out" to the women (and girls) who are agreeing to have sex with these men, unprotected? The consequences for being irresponsible are paid by both men and women! Therefore, if you are truly interested in advocating women's optimal health, then you would educate girls and women on how and why they need to protect themselves from disease, all types of dis-ease.
Don't waste your time Rowe,

This little girl is on some on woman(girl) mission to further demonize Black males in America. It's only MORE racist propaganda. If she is married to a white man, then what the hell does or should she care what Black men are doing?

The way I see it some Black male has gotten next to her dissed her or saw it for what it was just p----, and move the f--- on and she couldn't handle it.
So, her real agenda is not of any concern for Black females, but of tearing down Black males, while hoping that Black women will not see her underhanded insults toward Black women for what they are, you know, how we should 'feel humiliated' because (some) "Black men "prefer" white women' - she can't accept the fact that most Black women do not give a shit if some Black men "prefer" white women because WE happen to KNOW that ALL Black men do not and that we usually were never attracted to the ones that do in the first place.
Taffy, you have alot to say about nothing. By the way, aren't you married to or have a WHITE boyfriend/husband?

I am not predjusticed but I know how to tell from right and wrong, and evidently you do not, because you seem to never get tired of downing our BLACK MEN, which I think every sista on this forum enjoys.

YOU NEED PROFESSIONAL HELP GIRLFRIEND, AND I SUGGEST YOU GET IT QUICK.

Maybe you can find another forum/site to go to, and everyone would like the stuff you have to say, but most of us DON'T.
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Originally posted by sunnubian:
Don't waste your time Rowe,

This little girl is on some on woman(girl) mission to further demonize Black males in America. It's only MORE racist propaganda. If she is married to a white man, then what the hell does or should she care what Black men are doing?

The way I see it some Black male has gotten next to her dissed her or saw it for what it was just p----, and move the f--- on and she couldn't handle it.
So, her real agenda is not of any concern for Black females, but of tearing down Black males, while hoping that Black women will not see her underhanded insults toward Black women for what they are, you know, how we should 'feel humiliated' because (some) "Black men "prefer" white women' - she can't accept the fact that most Black women do not give a shit if some Black men "prefer" white women because WE happen to KNOW that ALL Black men do not and that we usually were never attracted to the ones that do in the first place.


SPEAK IT SISTA! thanks
I sure hope taffy IS a troll, coz sad as that motivation behind this particular 'troll profile' would be, it would way worse IF she/he is for real.

But don't worry he/she ISN'T.

It's all a load of BS to stir up the BW/WM or WW/BM kneejerk reactions, thinly disguised as some type of attempt at actual real debate.

If she is unhappy with her white male husband - who the f--- cares? If she was unhappy with a black male husband - who the f--- cares?

SERIOUSLY, who would put up with such a one-dimentional whinging miserable person of any sex or race?

If ya think I'm being harsh, just remember, IT IS ONLY A TROLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Taffy:

I can see from the previous posts this is a controversial subject. However, I agree with a lot of the things you say. Since the subject of this post is about black men, then I can see why you are focusing your attention on black men and b-sexuality.

Remember bi-sexuality exist in all races and you can't just say that ALL black men are on the DL or Bi. Well, you can say it, but it's not a fact. As far as your brother is concerned - that's NONE of your business. He's not your man! You have no right to ask him to take a lie detector test. Now if he was your man then, I would agree. In fact, when I wrote my book on the "Down Low" I told women to ask their men to take lie detector tests.

http://www.downlowbrothers.com

I admire you courage to inform black women, but you need to stay in your place. White men are also on the DL and in the closet. The only reason DL brothers are so highlighted today, is because of the drastic increase in the number of new cases of HIV among black women.

Now I'm also the founder of a non-profit organization called SAD (Sisters Against the Downlow). So I am truly against the DL. Not the actually actions of the DL brothers, but the deceit involved in their actions. In fact, I have more respect for openly Gay brothers than DL brothers. Here are variables I hold close to my heart and research:

DL brothers who are NOT engaged in marriage and/or serious types of sexual relationships with women are OK with me.

DL brothers who protect themselves with just one night stands or fly by sexual relationships with women are OK with me.

DL brothers who are married or in serious relationships with women and hiding their secret sex with other men are ASSHOLES in my book.

Now women must also shoulder the blame for contracting HIV from DL brothers. Here's what I really think, this poem sums it all up.

The Cruel Down Low

Yes it's true that lots of brothers are out there living life on the down low
Get serious about this shit sisters, there's more to this that you need to know
Damn he's fine, built with strong muscles, he look and smell real damn good too
But you better watch your backs; these freaky mutherfuckers are out here fooling you

You know the type, smiling at you and wearing his new clothes to a damn tee
And still going around fucking anything moving and spreading that killer HIV
Yeah I know you think this could not possibly, possibly be true about your man
Until the day you caught him fucking with another dude and caught on to his plan

You have loved this brother, cooked for this brother and bored his offsprings
Then you found out that he is a nasty freak and sticking his dick in everything
This is so fucked up it's really hard for anybody to truly digest and understand
So how can these Down Low brothers really called themselves a real true man

DL brothers are hiding and running around here with their tails tucked between their legs
Then coming back and forth to the sisters like us and jumping their faggot ass in our beds
This is so awful, so cruel, so nasty, appalling, and it needs to be some kind of damn law
Makes me sick to the stomach and I want to just haul off and punch them in the jaw

So wise up sisters and don't keep listening to all of his fake and phony ass lies
At night when things are suppose to be quiet the sobs you hear will be your own cries
But you did see the signs of cheating and thought to yourself it was just another bitch
But little did you and to your surprise you found out that your man also likes dick

My heart is out to sisters who are married, engaged or spent lots of years with this fool
What he has done is indescribable, heart breaking and nothing less than plain ass cruel
So hold your head up high and don't be ashamed, its time to just pack up and leave
When loving yourself and being honest; then there's nothing in this world you can't achieve

But for my sisters out there giving it up to anybody and just being a nasty ass hoe
So now that you have AIDs, stop crying and stop trying to blame it on the damn Down Low
You are the one out there fucking anybody and inviting any strange man into your beds
So, if you are not in a serious relationship or know this man, then close your damn legs
All I'll say regarding the last few posts is this:

1) If you've gotten to the point with your mate that you feel like a lie detector test is necessary to get an honest response, it's probably time for you to pack up & move on.

2) Leave taffy & her supporters alone - let's allow them to clearly out themselves. If she really is an aspiring writer, we're serving as her editors & focus group for free. It's bad enough that she insults the majority of the posters here with her repugnant topics, don't let her PIMP us too. protest I need a signed contract for at least 10% of all sales before I provide any helpful advice to taffy!

3) There is a report this post button (bottom right- triangle with an ! sign). Use it enough & maybe she'll get sent to the ? section.
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Originally posted by True Nubian Queen:
Taffy:

I can see from the previous posts this is a controversial subject. However, I agree with a lot of the things you say. Since the subject of this post is about black men, then I can see why you are focusing your attention on black men and b-sexuality.

Remember bi-sexuality exist in all races and you can't just say that ALL black men are on the DL or Bi. Well, you can say it, but it's not a fact. As far as your brother is concerned - that's NONE of your business. He's not your man! You have no right to ask him to take a lie detector test. Now if he was your man then, I would agree. In fact, when I wrote my book on the "Down Low" I told women to ask their men to take lie detector tests.

http://www.downlowbrothers.com

I admire you courage to inform black women, but you need to stay in your place. White men are also on the DL and in the closet. The only reason DL brothers are so highlighted today, is because of the drastic increase in the number of new cases of HIV among black women.

Now I'm also the founder of a non-profit organization called SAD (Sisters Against the Downlow). So I am truly against the DL. Not the actually actions of the DL brothers, but the deceit involved in their actions. In fact, I have more respect for openly Gay brothers than DL brothers. Here are variables I hold close to my heart and research:

DL brothers who are NOT engaged in marriage and/or serious types of sexual relationships with women are OK with me.

DL brothers who protect themselves with just one night stands or fly by sexual relationships with women are OK with me.

DL brothers who are married or in serious relationships with women and hiding their secret sex with other men are ASSHOLES in my book.

Now women must also shoulder the blame for contracting HIV from DL brothers. Here's what I really think, this poem sums it all up.

The Cruel Down Low

Yes it's true that lots of brothers are out there living life on the down low
Get serious about this shit sisters, there's more to this that you need to know
Damn he's fine, built with strong muscles, he look and smell real damn good too
But you better watch your backs; these freaky mutherfuckers are out here fooling you

You know the type, smiling at you and wearing his new clothes to a damn tee
And still going around fucking anything moving and spreading that killer HIV
Yeah I know you think this could not possibly, possibly be true about your man
Until the day you caught him fucking with another dude and caught on to his plan

You have loved this brother, cooked for this brother and bored his offsprings
Then you found out that he is a nasty freak and sticking his dick in everything
This is so fucked up it's really hard for anybody to truly digest and understand
So how can these Down Low brothers really called themselves a real true man

DL brothers are hiding and running around here with their tails tucked between their legs
Then coming back and forth to the sisters like us and jumping their faggot ass in our beds
This is so awful, so cruel, so nasty, appalling, and it needs to be some kind of damn law
Makes me sick to the stomach and I want to just haul off and punch them in the jaw

So wise up sisters and don't keep listening to all of his fake and phony ass lies
At night when things are suppose to be quiet the sobs you hear will be your own cries
But you did see the signs of cheating and thought to yourself it was just another bitch
But little did you and to your surprise you found out that your man also likes dick

My heart is out to sisters who are married, engaged or spent lots of years with this fool
What he has done is indescribable, heart breaking and nothing less than plain ass cruel
So hold your head up high and don't be ashamed, its time to just pack up and leave
When loving yourself and being honest; then there's nothing in this world you can't achieve

But for my sisters out there giving it up to anybody and just being a nasty ass hoe
So now that you have AIDs, stop crying and stop trying to blame it on the damn Down Low
You are the one out there fucking anybody and inviting any strange man into your beds
So, if you are not in a serious relationship or know this man, then close your damn legs



Thnak you so much for the link to the story about down low men. Also, I don't care what these dissenting posters think of me or my subjects.

You know, a lot of women don't want to accept that the down low exist. I'll bet bastards in the closet are just smiling up a storm at their STUPIDITY.

But when they get HIV, they'll wish they had listened.
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Originally posted by sunnubian:
Don't waste your time Rowe,

This little girl is on some on woman(girl) mission to further demonize Black males in America. It's only MORE racist propaganda. If she is married to a white man, then what the hell does or should she care what Black men are doing?



The way I see it some Black male has gotten next to her dissed her or saw it for what it was just p----, and move the f--- on and she couldn't handle it.
So, her real agenda is not of any concern for Black females, but of tearing down Black males, while hoping that Black women will not see her underhanded insults toward Black women for what they are, you know, how we should 'feel humiliated' because (some) "Black men "prefer" white women' - she can't accept the fact that most Black women do not give a shit if some Black men "prefer" white women because WE happen to KNOW that ALL Black men do not and that we usually were never attracted to the ones that do in the first place.


I am not trying to dismantle black women. Black men prefer white women or OTHER MEN. Come on now. A black man may marry a black woman to get a kid, or to fool his family or himself into thinking he's straight.

Are you so naive that you think because a man put it on you, that he's straight?

PLEASE. GO get tested for HIV.
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Now I'm also the founder of a non-profit organization called SAD (Sisters Against the Downlow
Confused

I do not add fuel to the fire for taffy but I had to ask...

Why such dedication to this issue? Is it the notion that downlow men mean exposure to AIDS? If so why not talk about the problem of AIDS open and honestly in the black community?
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No. But I've never heard a white person use it either. I use plenty of words that I don't hear many other Black people using. I don't see how that necessarily indicates what race of people I associate with or how in-tune I am with other Black people. Do you subscribe to the idea of "talking Black" or "talking white?"

Beyond that, why is it important that taffy, or anyone else, was raised and currently associates [almost exclusively] non-Black? I don't understand why you mentioned that. Do we all have to be raised around and primarily associate with other Black people in order to be taken seriously?


I think you mis-understand my purpose in posting the above. My point was to uncover a fraud. And, my post was to provide supportive suppositions.

My instinct tells me that Taffy is a white male from outside of the US.
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My instinct tells me that Taffy is a white male from outside of the US.


FYI, Kweli4Real the 'writing' certainly isn't from an Australian. taffy's style is so incredibly old-fashioned compared to either fiction or wanna-be writing here. Noone would read it. From the tone and the grammar I seriously doubt that it's anyone from the UK either. Hmmm...?

Whoever this taffy person is - physical or virtual, only extremely boring people write about themselves, even if they are good writers. Bad writers get published too when they write about themselves - but they are usually known as fully fledged celebrities - and use professional ghost writers.

My tip is taffy tries travel writing rather than attempt creative non-fiction. Wink
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Originally posted by art_gurl:
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My instinct tells me that Taffy is a white male from outside of the US.


FYI, Kweli4Real the 'writing' certainly isn't from an Australian. taffy's style is so incredibly old-fashioned compared to either fiction or wanna-be writing here. Noone would read it. From the tone and the grammar I seriously doubt that it's anyone from the UK either. Hmmm...?

Whoever this taffy person is - physical or virtual, only extremely boring people write about themselves, even if they are good writers. Bad writers get published too when they write about themselves - but they are usually known as fully fledged celebrities - and use professional ghost writers.

My tip is taffy tries travel writing rather than attempt creative non-fiction. Wink
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Oh, what fun to be the object of curiosity. Big Grin
You don't know if I'm a man or a woman, black, white or other, serious or full of applesauce.

Right now, I am sitting here on the sofa, in front of the telly, enjoying a beer and banger. Am I doing it in my boxers? Or my panties and bra?

Earlier I went to the square to pick up some nappies for the baby and a sack of allsorts for
gram, who is an octogenerian.

Or maybe I live in the ghetto. I am sitting at my kitchen table, smoking a Newport, drinking a beer and eating some chitlins. My son Boo Boo is at the kitchen sink, busting suds. "Boo," I hollered. "Boy, get me the hot sauce from the cupboard."

"Okay, ma," he said.

He gave me a jar of Texas Pete. I splashed a generous amount on my chitlins. I put some in my eager mouth. Damn, this shit is good. I love me some chitlins, cornbread and tato salad.


Or maybe I'm a black man who looks like LL Cool J. Right now, I'm naked, sitting on the edge of the bed, with my legs spread wide, while a guy who looks like Tyrese is also naked. He is on his knees, sucking my penis. He licks it like it's a Tootsie Pop. "That's it, man," I moan. "Suck that thang. Can't nobody suck my dick like another nigga."

Or maybe my name is Cindy, a blonde, white girl, with average looks. White men have always treated me like I'm invisible. They never wanted to date me. Now, black men, on the other hand have always looked at me like I was a supermodel strutting down the runway.

Black guys desire me. They make me feel special. Wanted. And they are so generous with me. They like being seen with a white girl. They feel that I give them status. They have low self-esteem and being with me elevates them. So I use it to my advantage. I use the dumb niggers for everything I can get out of them.

Hehe. Some darkie men are so stupid. They just don't realize that white girls are using them.
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I am not trying to dismantle black women. Black men prefer white women or OTHER MEN. Come on now. A black man may marry a black woman to get a kid, or to fool his family or himself into thinking he's straight.

Are you so naive that you think because a man put it on you, that he's straight?

PLEASE. GO get tested for HIV.


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You should get tested for HIV, since you are obsessed with it to see if it is affecting your brain; to state that Black men are either on the downlow or prefer white women is the most obsurd thing I have ever heard. Considering that you obviously do not know any Black men or extremely few, you can't possibly know what Black men do or do not do.

I guess you watched that episode of 'Ophrah' where some ex-downlow guy was promoting his book about HIS experience.

Hell, I am Black, I have a father, step-father, brothers, uncles, male cousins, male friends, more than one ex, an ongoing relationship, men, none of whom fit your twisted view of Black males (however, I don't believe that you really believe this twisted view that you are trying to 'promote'); but if the small little world that you live only has bi-sexual Black males or only Black males who prefer white women, then maybe YOU need to move, because that has to be some strange nether world that you are living in. You must be living in the twilight zone.

Better yet, why don't you tell Black males to their face that you think they are bi-sexual or 'prefer' white women (either or no exceptions, which is just crazy).

So, since you say you are Black, then, I guess your father is a bi-sexual or homosexual, or left your mother for a white woman, and your brothers, uncles, male cousins, Black male friends, Black male co-workers, the Black male plummer that came to fix the sink . . . are also bi-sexual or homosexual or only 'prefer' white women . . .
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Originally posted by Kweli4Real:
I think you mis-understand my purpose in posting the above. My point was to uncover a fraud. And, my post was to provide supportive suppositions.


I got that, babe. My questions were regarding why you felt her language choices were supportive of your theory.

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My instinct tells me that Taffy is a white male from outside of the US.


She may very well be. And if she is, then.... what? art_gurl is white. ricardomath is white. egbertsouse is white. I'm sure there are other posters that I don't remember at the moment. They talk about Black issues all the time. So, I'm not entirely sure why this would or should have any big effect. It would just be another white person initiating and contributing to conversations about Black people... which is not really different from what we've got now. ohsnap Smile
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I am not trying to dismantle black women.


You're not trying to empower us either Taffy. By fooling women into thinking that they are powerless in terms of how protect themselves when they do engage in sex is a form of dismantling. Unless a woman is raped or brutalized, she is NOT A VICTIM. Prior to having sex, a woman can protect herself by insisting her partner (gay, straight, or bisexual) wear a condom or she can use a myriad of other types of contraception available to her on the market. Soliciting unwarranted sympathy on behalf of women is no way to empower us. It only cheapens this issue and makes people less likely to take us seriously when we do express our concerns.

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Are you so naive that you think because a man put it on you, that he's straight?


Taffy, are you so naive and misinformed that you don't realize that you can contract sexually-transmitted diseases from straight persons as well? Again, please become better informed and stop using this topic to vent your homophobic frustrations. I'm sure that you can think of a lot of other contructive things that you can do with your time and energy besides using this topic to male-bash.
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Originally posted by Rowe:
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I am not trying to dismantle black women.


You're not trying to empower them either Taffy. By fooling women into thinking that they are powerless in terms of how protect themselves when they do engage in sex is a form of dismantling. Unless a woman is raped or brutalized, she is NOT A VICTIM. Prior to having sex, a woman can protect herself by insisting her partner (gay, straight, or bisexual) wear a condom or she can use a myriad of other types of contraception on the market available to her. I have been following your discussions, choosing not to respond, and I believe you are simply using this topic as a platform to vent your frustations against Black men. Soliciting unwarranted sympathy on behalf of women is no way to empower us. You are embarressing yourself and Black women everywhere by cheapening this issue with your ignorance. Move on and get a life.

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Are you so naive that you think because a man put it on you, that he's straight?


Are you so naive that you don't realize that you can contract HIV from straight persons as well? Again, please become better informed and stop using this topic to vent.


You feel free to believe what you want to believe, but I know what my objective is. My rationale is this, tell women what I know about bisexual men and COMMON SENSE will tell her to use protection.

Letting her know that SOME gay men masquerade as straight is a form of empowering her.

I don't want anybody's sympathy. If you are a woman, you probably have sex with bisexual men. I've met your type and if someone doesn't agree with you, you call them ignorant.

Well, then, I'm ignorant. I have no issue with openly gay men, but I DO NOT like bisexual men. I think they're vulgar, disgusting and you keep getting it on with such men, you will get infected with a disease.

We need public service announcements warning black women that black men have the potential to be their executioners. They're oversexed and nasty. Don't you know that's why some of them go after white chicks. Those nasty white creatures get into threesomes and wife swapping. Sure, there are black women who do such things. But white women are more receptive to such vulgarities.

I have nothing further to say to you, so fuck off.
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Originally posted by taffy:
My rationale is this, tell women what I know about bisexual men and COMMON SENSE will tell her to use protection.


Taffy, if more women, particulary young girls, had (and used) "common sense" then we would not be having this discussion. Since the rise of HIV AIDS, public service announcements about the rapid spread of AIDS has run nonstop on every station available to us, specifically those stations that target teens and young adults. And still, more and more people (straight, gay, and bisexual men and women) are contracting the disease. What should that tell you Taffy? That should tell you that the important task is not to try to identify and distinguish between who is gay and who is straight, but PROTECTING YOURSELF, regardless. That is what is important. If a woman (or man)is concerned about their health and well-being, they will protect themselves and they will not blame others for whatever consequences that must be faced as a result of not protecting themsleves.
I strongly feel that it is this cross mixing (i.e. DL brothers who engage in heterosexual relationships) that enhances the gub'ment created AIDs disease.

It is a known fact that men are the transmitters. Two lesbians will never transmit an STD between them, but as soon as a male enters the picture STDs and other vaginal irritations are on and popping...

Fine

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