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March 09, 2006, 12:34 p.m.

Black Like GOP

Will the Dems lose a reliable constituency this year?

This year, Democrats may lose their iron grip on the black vote. About 90 percent of black Americans vote Democrat, rain or shine. But a growing sense that Democrats take them for granted "” plus several attractive, high-level black Republican candidates who will fight for these votes "” could make November 2006 and 2008 fascinating.

For starters, President Bush's black support grew from 9 percent in 2000 to 11 percent in 2004. That is no landslide, but Bush's black vote improved 22 percent despite his being vilified by the media and Democrats for four long years.

In Ohio, President Bush's support among blacks grew from 9 percent in 2000 to 16 percent in 2004. Given his tight race against Senator John Kerry (D., Mass.), blacks essentially handed President Bush Ohio, and thus a second term. These generally socially conservative blacks showed up to vote to ban gay marriage. Enough voters also supported Bush, a same-sex marriage opponent, to secure him the Buckeye State.

Second, 2006 features well-known, impressive black Republican candidates. Maryland's Lt. Governor, Michael Steele, seeks a U.S. Senate seat this fall, as does Michigan's Keith Butler, a former Detroit city councilman. In Ohio, Secretary of State Ken Blackwell is running for governor. And in Pennsylvania, Republicans on February 11 nominated former Pittsburgh Steeler Lynn Swann as their gubernatorial nominee. Each of these charismatic, well-spoken, black Republicans has a decent shot at victory.

What about their campaign agendas? They all should promote free-market ideas that have helped and will help blacks voters, and remind them how Democrats routinely say, "No!" to such reforms.

On taxes, for instance, President Bush has reduced them every year in office, always over Democratic objections. The result? The economy grew 3.5 percent last year despite the war on terror, sky-high oil prices, and hurricanes Katrina, Rita, and Wilma. For those with lower incomes, the bottom tax rate is now 10 percent rather than 15 percent. Meanwhile, higher-level tax-rate reductions leave more money in black middle-class pockets.

At this writing, the unemployment rate is 4.7 percent, its lowest level since July 2001. The bad news is that black unemployment is 8.9 percent. The good news is that it is down from a 10-percent average under President Clinton.

Meanwhile, with white unemployment at 4.1 percent, there is a 4.8-percent gap between white and black joblessness. That gap averaged 5.5 percent under President Clinton and 6.9 percent over the last 30 years. So, despite howls of Democratic protests, President Bush's tax cuts have helped create the best black-employment picture in a generation.

On Social Security, President Bush tried to bridge the Dividend Divide, the nearly 11-1 asset-ownership gap between white and black households. Voluntary Personal Retirement Accounts would let black individuals and families build nest eggs and bequeath them to their loved ones. This is excellent for black males who, on average, die at age 67.8 after collecting from Social Security for less than a year, while average white males enjoy seven years of benefits. President Bush's proposed accounts offered an alternative to this mess, but Democrats wailed, and his plan died of rejection.

On education, President Clinton vetoed a voucher program for students in Washington, D.C.'s dismal, predominantly black government school system "” twice. President Bush, in contrast, signed that bill into law.

Imagine what would happen if the 2008 Republican presidential nominee could campaign on these issues in inner-city Baltimore, Detroit, Cleveland, and Philadelphia with fellow Republicans who have been elected statewide and also happen to be black.

In Pennsylvania, which Kerry won by just 128,000 votes, if, say, Rudy Giuliani could stump with Lynn Swann and swing 64,000 more votes than did President Bush, all things being equal, the Keystone State and its 21 electoral votes go GOP. If Swann and Ken Blackwell can double the black vote for their nominee from 10 percent to 20 percent, it's nearly impossible to see how Hillary Clinton wins with neither Pennsylvania nor Ohio.

The best way to get blacks to consider voting Republican is for GOP candidates to ask them this basic question: "What have the Democrats done for you lately?"

"” New York commentator Deroy Murdock is a columnist with the Scripps Howard News.

© MBM

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Originally posted by Black Viking:
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The best way to get blacks to consider voting Republican is for GOP candidates to ask them this basic question: "What have the Democrats done for you lately?"

And I respond with... "What have the Republicans ever done for me, and what do they think they're going to do for me in the future? Roll Eyes


Exactly! I asked a friend of mine (black wanna be conservative) that very question and you know what, he didn't know what in the hell to say. Then I started naming off the things that Democrats have done that have benefited blacks and he was in shock.
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Originally posted by keylargo:
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Originally posted by Black Viking:
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The best way to get blacks to consider voting Republican is for GOP candidates to ask them this basic question: "What have the Democrats done for you lately?"

And I respond with... "What have the Republicans ever done for me, and what do they think they're going to do for me in the future? Roll Eyes


Exactly! I asked a friend of mine (black wanna be conservative) that very question and you know what, he didn't know what in the hell to say. Then I started naming off the things that Democrats have done that have benefited blacks and he was in shock.

That's the funny thing about wanna be's...

They usually haven't done their homework.
The Republican Party was the first major political party that were openly against slavery.

The Republican Party fought for the emancipation of slavery.

President Abe Lincoln-Republican Prez freed the Slaves.

Civil Rights Acts of 1866 and 1875 was passed by Republicans.

Republicans passed the Civil Rights Acts of 1957 and 1960.

Republicans passed the Civil Rights Act of 1965
(Al Gore's daddy voted against it).

The Republican Party help found the NAACP

Prominent Republicans sponsored, funded, and financed the following:
Morehouse College
Howard University
Spelman College
Shaw Uniersity
Clark University
Samuel Houston College
Atlanta University

The above memtion was all opposed by the Democratic Party. Smile
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Originally posted by telltruth:
The Republican Party was the first major political party that were openly against slavery.

The Republican Party fought for the emancipation of slavery.

President Abe Lincoln-Republican Prez freed the Slaves.

Civil Rights Acts of 1866 and 1875 was passed by Republicans.

Republicans passed the Civil Rights Acts of 1957 and 1960.

Republicans passed the Civil Rights Act of 1965
(Al Gore's daddy voted against it).

The Republican Party help found the NAACP

Prominent Republicans sponsored, funded, and financed the following:
Morehouse College
Howard University
Spelman College
Shaw Uniersity
Clark University
Samuel Houston College
Atlanta University

The above memtion was all opposed by the Democratic Party. Smile

I won't deny any of the above, Mr. Telltruth.

Now, if you would be so kind, please give me an example of something the Republican Party has done for me, during my lifetime, that would earn them my current, living, and breathing vote. Smile
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The Republican Party was the first major political party that were openly against slavery.

The Republican Party fought for the emancipation of slavery.

President Abe Lincoln-Republican Prez freed the Slaves.

Civil Rights Acts of 1866 and 1875 was passed by Republicans.

Republicans passed the Civil Rights Acts of 1957 and 1960.

Republicans passed the Civil Rights Act of 1965
(Al Gore's daddy voted against it).

The Republican Party help found the NAACP

Prominent Republicans sponsored, funded, and financed the following:
Morehouse College
Howard University
Spelman College
Shaw Uniersity
Clark University
Samuel Houston College
Atlanta University

The above memtion was all opposed by the Democratic Party.
The Republican Party was the first major political party that were openly against slavery.

The Republican Party fought for the emancipation of slavery.

President Abe Lincoln-Republican Prez freed the Slaves.

Civil Rights Acts of 1866 and 1875 was passed by Republicans.

Republicans passed the Civil Rights Acts of 1957 and 1960.

Republicans passed the Civil Rights Act of 1965
(Al Gore's daddy voted against it).

The Republican Party help found the NAACP

Prominent Republicans sponsored, funded, and financed the following:
Morehouse College
Howard University
Spelman College
Shaw Uniersity
Clark University
Samuel Houston College
Atlanta University

The above memtion was all opposed by the Democratic Party.

TELLTRUTH----While this may or may not be true please don't be fooled brother. If you look at it's history you'll understand that this is not the same republican party as they were then. Republicans of today are the old Dixiecrates who as we all know were against civil rights ( this means you TellTruth). The party is one of the deep south mantality and have adopted the thinking of Jesse Helms, Strom Thurman, Trent Lot. Please know this is not the same party!!!
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Originally posted by telltruth:
The Republican Party was the first major political party that were openly against slavery.

The Republican Party fought for the emancipation of slavery.

President Abe Lincoln-Republican Prez freed the Slaves.

Civil Rights Acts of 1866 and 1875 was passed by Republicans.

Republicans passed the Civil Rights Acts of 1957 and 1960.

Republicans passed the Civil Rights Act of 1965
(Al Gore's daddy voted against it).

The Republican Party help found the NAACP

Prominent Republicans sponsored, funded, and financed the following:
Morehouse College
Howard University
Spelman College
Shaw Uniersity
Clark University
Samuel Houston College
Atlanta University

The above memtion was all opposed by the Democratic Party. Smile


The Democrats of today are the Republicans of the pre-FDR, New Deal era. You know this. Those bedsheet-wearing, redneck Dixiecrats left the Democratic party after the New Deal to join the Republicans you see today. I guess they felt right at home with the Republikkkans.

Tell the truth, Mr. "Telltruth."
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Originally posted by telltruth:
The Republican Party was the first major political party that were openly against slavery.

The Republican Party fought for the emancipation of slavery.

President Abe Lincoln-Republican Prez freed the Slaves.

Civil Rights Acts of 1866 and 1875 was passed by Republicans.

Republicans passed the Civil Rights Acts of 1957 and 1960.

Republicans passed the Civil Rights Act of 1965
(Al Gore's daddy voted against it).

The Republican Party help found the NAACP

Prominent Republicans sponsored, funded, and financed the following:
Morehouse College
Howard University
Spelman College
Shaw Uniersity
Clark University
Samuel Houston College
Atlanta University

The above memtion was all opposed by the Democratic Party. Smile


And [if you believe the Christian mythology of Eden] there once was a time when man [woman] was without sin. My, how times have changed.

Now Tell the Truth, Telltruth, You don't really believe that your argument holds any weight outside of the Republican National Committee Thinktank that first promoted the argument, do you?
In Ohio, President Bush's support among blacks grew from 9 percent in 2000 to 16 percent in 2004. Given his tight race against Senator John Kerry (D., Mass.), blacks essentially handed President Bush Ohio, and thus a second term. These generally socially conservative blacks showed up to vote to ban gay marriage. Enough voters also supported Bush, a same-sex marriage opponent, to secure him the Buckeye State.



MBM--- A lot of black folks to my surprise bought into the propaganda of the republican party. These people who essentially gave bush a second term got caught up in the none sense of Gay Marriage and other issues that doesn't really affect the black community. These people should be asking and voting to better educate their kids, the unemployment in our communities, homeless, how our kids are being herded into jails at alarming numbers. We let ourselves get side tracked by issues that don't affect us negatively from day to day. Who feels threaten by gay marriage? I don't know many blacks who are. We should vote on issues that matter to the masses. Black people shouldn't be so easily swaged by side shows. Vote for things that matter.

Also, If you believe all those positive things you mentioned regarding Bush and the repugs are true then I surely want to interest you in a bridge. Nothing these guys say or put forward is true or accurate. The say one thing but usually the opposite is true. We're winning in Iraq you know.......
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Originally posted by alonzo:
MBM--- A lot of black folks to my surprise bought into the propaganda of the republican party. These people who essentially gave bush a second term got caught up in the none sense of Gay Marriage and other issues that doesn't really affect the black community. These people should be asking and voting to better educate their kids, the unemployment in our communities, homeless, how our kids are being herded into jails at alarming numbers. We let ourselves get side tracked by issues that don't affect us negatively from day to day. Who feels threaten by gay marriage? I don't know many blacks who are. We should vote on issues that matter to the masses. Black people shouldn't be so easily swaged by side shows. Vote for things that matter.

I absolutely agree. Homosexuals only represent 6% of the population. They are not a threat to anyone, in any way.

However, I do believe that the oppression of them is very significant. It is an accurate reflection of our values in this day and age, as well as our values throughout history.

We need to get over this... and focus on things that actually matter.

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Also, If you believe all those positive things you mentioned regarding Bush and the repugs are true then I surely want to interest you in a bridge. Nothing these guys say or put forward is true or accurate. The say one thing but usually the opposite is true. We're winning in Iraq you know.......

I think you're projecting a little here. MBM posted an article written by someone else. There was no commentary. It's not fair to assume he agrees with the position.
why do we argue over the Democratic and Republican party. Neither has been helpful to the situation we as Africans in America face. One takes us for granted and other just takes us. We need to seriously start thinking about our political identification. Why keep accepting the 12am knock in the middle of the night. They promise and promise shyt but never deliver
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Originally posted by ZAKAR:

why do we argue over the Democratic and Republican party. Neither has been helpful to the situation we as Africans in America face. One takes us for granted and other just takes us. We need to seriously start thinking about our political identification. Why keep accepting the 12am knock in the middle of the night. They promise and promise shyt but never deliver


Brother, we live in a society that is controlled politically by the two parties. We can either choose to try to maximize our leverage and influence within that system, or we can choose other extra-political options to build a better life for ourselves. If you choose the latter, what would you suggest we do to move our community forward?
thats why so many people get frustrated with voting. That lesser of the two evils arguement, but we always end up with nothing but broken promises. I suggest we start our own party and vote our intrest. Sure our candidate may not win the presidency, but we could win some local elections and use that leverage to influence state and national elections.I just believe we have to something other than put all our faith in the dam Democratic or Republican party. To be honest the way politics is set up now, they way these two parties act is simply to perpetuate the same ole status quo. You basically have two elites , the Republican or conservative elites vs the liberal elites. Given this fact we have to start building from the grassroots level. I really believe we need a third party so that we can dictate our intrest and strategize with our best intrest at heart instead of being a sideshow agenda for the White liberal.
I'm sorry people, but I identify with neither Political Party Democratic or Republican. I only give you the the true "FACTS". On the contrary, what has the "democrats" done for Black people besides, invent the KKK, all the lynching from 1866 until the 1960's, blocking Civil Rights Acts since the 1800's and keep electing Senator Robert Byrd (Dem) a known KKK leader up until he was 40 years old and still serving in the Senate. I don't hear anything from any so called Black Leader. The Republicans have done nothing other than what I have memtioned....but the Democrats have done absolutely nothing unless you want to count the ghettos of New York city, Atlanta, Chicago, Los Angeles, Detroit, New Orleans etc. as a plus. No Hard feelings I hope-just giving the hard cold facts and not my opinion! Wink
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Originally posted by telltruth:

No Hard feelings I hope-just giving the hard cold facts and not my opinion! Wink


Sorry - you explicitly misrepresent the facts when you compare 19th and early 20th century Democrats and Republicans with today's bunch. As has been established, the political affiliations of parties pretty much flip-flopped in the last century. The facts are that conservatives have been against anything remotely in favor of expanding rights and opportunity for African Americans. They have been expressely against any legal or social equality in this country. Conservatives have been the outspoken enemy of anyone who cares about equality and justice and human rights and environmental rights not just here in America, but around the world.

Those, my friend, are the facts. Why anyone of African descent, or not a part of the American 'landed elite', would support the current Republican conservative agenda is absolutely beyond me.
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Originally posted by MBM:
The facts are that conservatives have been against anything remotely in favor of expanding rights and opportunity for African Americans. They have been expressely against any legal or social equality in this country. Conservatives have been the outspoken enemy of anyone who cares about equality and justice and human rights and environmental rights not just here in America, but around the world.

And that has not changed once in 500 years. bsm
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Originally posted by telltruth:
I'm sorry people, but I identify with neither Political Party Democratic or Republican. I only give you the the true "FACTS". On the contrary, what has the "democrats" done for Black people besides, invent the KKK, all the lynching from 1866 until the 1960's, blocking Civil Rights Acts since the 1800's and keep electing Senator Robert Byrd (Dem) a known KKK leader up until he was 40 years old and still serving in the Senate. I don't hear anything from any so called Black Leader. The Republicans have done nothing other than what I have memtioned....but the Democrats have done absolutely nothing unless you want to count the ghettos of New York city, Atlanta, Chicago, Los Angeles, Detroit, New Orleans etc. as a plus. No Hard feelings I hope-just giving the hard cold facts and not my opinion! Wink




Telltruth-----After reading this and your other post you probably need to change your name. "Telltruth" is not working for you anymore. You may not be a member of either party but your opinions are surely slanted to the right. Also brother, if you're not politically active then your opinions don't count and they don't matter. This will surely be the last post of yours I respond to. Next, you're arguing points you don't need to argue among black people. I'm a democrat and I have no love for Senator Byrd. As far as I'm concerned you can line him up with your other rightwing crazies. Please, continue to bash Byrd and any other dem with a simular background , we don't care. We understand a lot of democratics are no better then the repugs but as a people our best interest is with the demacratic party. Dems aren't close to being rightious or perfect but when you compare the two parties it's a no brainer. The ghettos are a reflection of our country and it's priorities and not just one political party. If you really cared about this you'd think more broadly and undertand our condition is because of the entire system and not one party or another. Anyway, you're arguments are weak so I don't think you have to worry about anyone getting mad or having hard feelings. We've always been "bashed" so a weak argument and personal opinion such as yours only makes me chuckle.
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Originally posted by ZAKAR:
why do we argue over the Democratic and Republican party. Neither has been helpful to the situation we as Africans in America face. One takes us for granted and other just takes us. We need to seriously start thinking about our political identification. Why keep accepting the 12am knock in the middle of the night. They promise and promise shyt but never deliver


I understand your frustration with the lesser of two evil argument. I really do.

However, although I recognize that neither party has any love for Black folk, one party consistently promotes policies that advocate social and economic justice [or, at least used to before this administration neutered them]; whereas, the other promotes social and economic exploitation.

That is why some of us unashamedly vote overwhelming Democrat. "A snowball is better than no ball."
The problem is. The Democratic party doesnt respect our vote. They never really address our issues and when something important goes down that affects African American community the White liberal is absent.But yet they always talking about how progressive they are. When you look at the actual record of the Democratic party as it relate to the black community post 1965 has been terrible at best.
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Originally posted by ZAKAR:

The problem is. The Democratic party doesnt respect our vote. They never really address our issues and when something important goes down that affects African American community the White liberal is absent.But yet they always talking about how progressive they are. When you look at the actual record of the Democratic party as it relate to the black community post 1965 has been terrible at best.


Your alternative?
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Originally posted by ZAKAR:

Are you gonna ever answer any questions? or are you just gonna answer every question with a question?


As far as I can tell, you've only asked one question - and I answered it. Perhaps if you availed yourself of the question mark (?) more - you might get more answers! bsm

And you?
Liberalism is paternalistic and racist, and conservatism is stagnant and impractical, pick your poison.

Liberal paternalism as represented by the Democratic party:

1) Seeks to erode our African Moral fiber by forcing us to party with individuals who represent moral positions abhorrent to us as Africans. It makes us passively accept post-modernism & relativism, and tells us to be effective we have to be aligned with other 'agenda's' that in many cases are polar opposites of our fundamental world view. One such agenda is the homosexual agenda.

2) It seeks to exploit our vote while not providing quid quo pro in terms of economic power, ownership, and independence. Since the Democrat ideal of social justices is rooted in civic equality and not economic equality its effect is to keep the average African American community of lower economic affluence and therefore less powerful than the average white community, while simultaneously attempting to enact wealth redistributing plans to programs to ensure civic equality but never creating BLACK POWER.

3) It is paternalistic and maintains White Man as God "save a po' black" approach to politics and policy, by attempting to use the government (their party) as a black family and black power surrogate. Their execution of policy and their perception of social justice is the only perception tolerated when decisions are made on "the problem of race". Those blacks who counter their solutions to race, such as nationalist, reparationist, etc. are castigated as "Going contrary to Dr. King" and "Radical", with the presumption that white derived liberalism ideology on race elevation is superior to black derived perspectives on race elevation.

4) It is racist for the same reason that it is mentioned as paternalistic in the last sentence of point 3. Implicit in liberal sentiment is the under laying belief that we blacks can not be entrusted to A) Independently derive solutions to control our communities B) Independently support our families C) Independently educate our children, without needing white participation and white governance to do so.

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The worst thing that could occur to the democratic party as it pertains to securing the black vote is our holistic success as a people. Their whole paradigm in dealing with blacks is highlighting things that are not done for blacks in America, and then providing solutions in the form of programs that only they can provide for us (read that again and think about it). If we holistically have success, local community control, dynamic economic inner-cities, and a success for model for our own education, there is nothing left for them to ˜sell' us. That is why it is incumbent on them to keep us in a status quo state.

Liberal politics and policies aren't driven by blacks for blacks in an effort to create black power, but by whites for blacks in an effort to keep a black voting block and maintain THEIR power.
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Originally posted by telltruth:
The Republican Party was the first major political party that were openly against slavery.

The Republican Party fought for the emancipation of slavery.

President Abe Lincoln-Republican Prez freed the Slaves.

Civil Rights Acts of 1866 and 1875 was passed by Republicans.

Republicans passed the Civil Rights Acts of 1957 and 1960.

Republicans passed the Civil Rights Act of 1965
(Al Gore's daddy voted against it).

The Republican Party help found the NAACP

Prominent Republicans sponsored, funded, and financed the following:
Morehouse College
Howard University
Spelman College
Shaw Uniersity
Clark University
Samuel Houston College
Atlanta University

The above memtion was all opposed by the Democratic Party. Smile


Again like Janet Jackson says, "What have you done for me lately?" You can bring up all of these facts, but what about things that are being done now? Are they still funding these groups and schools you mentioned? I can tell you the picture isn't so rosy on this side, and I'm 34.
Maybe its not so much the Republican/Democrat thing, but a white man obession with wealth and power?
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Originally posted by ZAKAR:
The problem is. The Democratic party doesnt respect our vote. They never really address our issues and when something important goes down that affects African American community the White liberal is absent.But yet they always talking about how progressive they are. When you look at the actual record of the Democratic party as it relate to the black community post 1965 has been terrible at best.


Agreed. But I think you've missed my point. My point is there are no organizations out there that address my [our] issues/interests of the Black community; but, unlike the republicans, the Democrats do address issues/interests that I have as a middle-class working stiff, that is a couple of paychecks or a major illness from homelessness. So absent a viable alternative, I will continue voting my [democratic] middle-class interests.

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I mean I've posted quite a few times about building a independent black party so we can have an organization whose total mission is the advancement of the intrest of black people.Why cant we do this. What do you suggest we do , give some insight on how your ideas about better the situation for black people? Here is something different.


I view building an independent Black party on the national level, today ... right now ... as a romantic, but self-defeating strategy. [I'm assuming that you are talking about a Black party that will run Black candidates and will not consider forming alliances or supporting existing party candidates.]

I see that strategy as only working on the local/state-wide level, where Black folk have sufficient numbers to, if not elect representatives directly, have major influence in elections. That's to say, a Black party can win offices in a lot of precinct-wide races, in many city-wide races, in a few county-wide races; but in very few state-wide races. We just don't have the numbers.

Nationally, the republicans don't need, and frankly don't care about, the Black vote; but the democrats need the Black vote to win. IMHO, forming an independent Black party merely ensures that republicans will continue to win national elections.
I'd also like to add, anything that black people have gained is not because of a Republican or Democrat, but because of their own hardwork, perserverance and faith in a God. The only reason that the Civil Rights Act got passed in the first place, was because black people were seeing no end to the situation we were in and they were getting ready to take Washington D.C. down by marching on it and laying in the streets.
How ungrateful it sounds when we give the credit for the achievements of our ancestors to the Republicans or Democrats?
Tellthetruth, you are an older gentleman and you ought to know and do better.
"We hold these truths to be self evident that all men are created equal and are endowed by their creator with certain inalienable truths - among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."

Dell - how does believing in words like the above translate into a paternalistic, racist agenda? I agree with you that there certainly is no monopoly on racism in the Republican party, but I do not believe that - by definition - the Dems are equally as "evil". While they are perhaps equally as racist in their core tendencies, at least there is the conceptual tension between those biases and the principles of freedom and civil rights which they also embrace. That tension obviously does not exist in conservatives; they are quite happy to be bigoted against anyone other than themselves.

It seems to me that we either play the game, and play it to our advantage, or resign ourselves to be marginalized forever. I, for one, have greater aspirations for me and my children than to lay down and be walked on by white America.
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Originally posted by MBM:
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Originally posted by ZAKAR:

The problem is. The Democratic party doesnt respect our vote. They never really address our issues and when something important goes down that affects African American community the White liberal is absent.But yet they always talking about how progressive they are. When you look at the actual record of the Democratic party as it relate to the black community post 1965 has been terrible at best.


Your alternative?


I know right? it sounds like the Republican machine speaking. In this day and age, I will choose a Democrat over a Republican. We have to look beyond color to understand how policies introduced by the Republicans hurt people of color. They really hurt all poor, working class Americans. From the cutting taxes for the wealthy and forcing the working class to carry the burden to the lack of support to public schools... the list goes on and on.
look at all of the policies proposed by Republicans and tell me which one benefits me as a working class American?
The 1960's I don't think is early 20th century or for that matter i9th century. And I thought I made it perfectly clear that I don't support either Political Party Democratic Or Republican. All I'm doing is presenting the "facts" and correcting falsehoods. Ignorance of history makes us "libel" to our own times.


"Since black politicians and the civil rights establishment preach victimhood to blacks, I'd prefer that they be more explicit when they appear in public fora. Were they to be so, saying racists are responsible for black illegitimacy, blacks preying on other blacks and black family breakdown, their victimhood message would be revealed as idiotic. But being so explicit is not as far-fetched as one might think"-Walter E. Williams.

Furthermore, I am an individual, I can think on my own, I take responsibility for my own actions, and I don't play the "I'm a victim game" either. Because I'm a Black American doesn't mean I have to think like the group. I know plenty of other successful Black Americans who think like that also.

Those who cannot remember the past, are bound to repeat it!
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Originally posted by ZAKAR:

The problem is. The Democratic party doesnt respect our vote. They never really address our issues and when something important goes down that affects African American community the White liberal is absent.But yet they always talking about how progressive they are. When you look at the actual record of the Democratic party as it relate to the black community post 1965 has been terrible at best.


You are so right Zakar, and if you wanted to see reality in the "real" New Orleans should have been a paradise since the Democratic Party ran the city for over 50 years.
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Originally posted by ZAKAR:
The problem is. The Democratic party doesnt respect our vote. They never really address our issues and when something important goes down that affects African American community the White liberal is absent.But yet they always talking about how progressive they are. When you look at the actual record of the Democratic party as it relate to the black community post 1965 has been terrible at best.

I'm not saying that Democrats are great but, if they didn't fight the Republicans, we would be living under an apartheid system ruled by a dictator. Do you really think that the Republicans appreciate Democracy?
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Originally posted by telltruth:
The Republican Party was the first major political party that were openly against slavery.

The Republican Party fought for the emancipation of slavery.

President Abe Lincoln-Republican Prez freed the Slaves.

Civil Rights Acts of 1866 and 1875 was passed by Republicans.

Republicans passed the Civil Rights Acts of 1957 and 1960.

Republicans passed the Civil Rights Act of 1965
(Al Gore's daddy voted against it).

The Republican Party help found the NAACP

Prominent Republicans sponsored, funded, and financed the following:
Morehouse College
Howard University
Spelman College
Shaw Uniersity
Clark University
Samuel Houston College
Atlanta University

The above memtion was all opposed by the Democratic Party. Smile


While all this is true, this has little relevance today. The Republican Party of Lincoln is not the modern day GOP, today's GOP is the Party of Reagan.

The Radical Republicans (TAKE NOTE OF THE WORD "RADICAL") of Lincoln's day were a left-leaning party that supported democratic federalism, more workers' rights, more anti-trust laws, more government crackdown on corruption, government protection of workers, anti-slavery and anti-confederatism. The Party of Lincoln was basically a proto-Social Democrat party in today's terms.

The Southern Democratic party up until FDR supported heavier weight to States' Rights (read: support of state-protected slavery), more laissez-faire economic policies, and less anti-trust laws. They heavily appealed to Confederaes and later Dixiecrats. They were basically a right-wing populist party with Classical Liberal (Neoliberal/Libertarian) economic leanings.

The parties switched when FDR made the agenda of Northern Democrats (who were formally aligned with Radical Republicans) and Progressives the party platform of the Democratic Party. The Republican Party changed beginning with Eisenhower who started introducing more isolationism and protectoratism to party and became what it is today under Nixon culminating in Reagan.

The South had formerly always gone Democrat. They switched over to the Republican Party in the 1960's after the Democratic Party supported the Civil Rights Act of 1964, and a large majority of the modern-day Republican party's elder leaders were former Dixiecrats.


Hell, the Democrats and Republicans changed just from FDR to Nixon. Under FDR, the Democrats were mainly Social Democrats, Progressives and Keynesians. The Republicans were mainly conservative Keynesians and Paleoconservatives. Under Nixon, the Democrats were Neoliberals and the Republicans were Neoconservatives who supported aggressive anti-Communist foreign policy (they were formerly isolationist).

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