Hi Afroman, I agree wholeheartedly with your sentiments but these guys sure used this opportunity to expose what the Bible would call the 'deceits of the devil.' Let me add, not only was this deceiver recognizably so by it's racist disposition but the reason I have no respect for their vile evil is as Sun Nubian more or less stated, 'they do not come to debate their lies and deceits rather to spout them. They are as the Bible would call them the 'seed of Satan' and their entire disposition is to 'cast truth to the ground' and lift up lies and deceits in its place (Dn. 8:12,23-25).
A sincere person comes forth sincere in identity and disposition but these hatemongers hurl hateful lies at truth as it makes their demonic blood boil to hear the truth. A legion of demonic spirits lives in them and this is why they spout, denounce, and stupidly seek to explain away 'truth', be it blatant or subtle. As the Bible would say, 'they will strain at a gnat and swallow a camel' rather than admit truth as they are anti-truth, anti-christ, seeds of satan (Jn. 8:44;10:10).
Sun Nubian to put this matter to rest, below is the findings of the greatest scholar ever to live, Diop. As Kraal spoke, he is a honest, truthful man who examined those that the white's alone, (well plus their subjugated coloreds) lie and claim are the 'greatest historians, scientists' of civilization, the Greeks.
However, all of the Greek's writings point to Black/Egypt and Ethiopia. By the way Ethiopia means 'sun burnt' and is the Greek word for Cush/Kush which is defined as 'Black.' Cush/Kush is listed in the Genealogical record as a descendant of Ham/Khem who also means 'Chem...black color, warm, dark,' (Genesis 10:6-20). All the nations listed under Ham/Khem were the dominant nations of antiquity. These Black/Africans created, and inhabited, Egypt, Babylon, Phillistia, Sumeria, Ethiopia, Sudan, Mesopotamia created by NIMROD SON OF CUSH/KUSH (Genesis 10:6-8).
Previously, you more or less posed the question, 'Why would an alleged 'black' seek to denounce 'black' truth?' As said, the answer is no black with sense would, only a white, deceiver feigning or a really, really, really, stupid, self-loathing, subjugated, enslaved colored bowwed down at the feet of their white enslaver.
By the way, Diop also found that the Egyptians defined themselves as "Kmt" the strongest word they created that means 'Black.'
Now in light of their blackness, again, you picture Joseph being described as 'Black/Egyptian', marrying a Black/Egyptian, and having two sons by the Black/Egyptian woman. The two sons, Ephraim and Manassah by name became two tribes of Israel (Genesis 41:45-52). Joshua son of Nun, was a Ephraimite descendant meaning Kushite/Black/African (Joshua 1:1). Joshua is also called Hosea son of Nun (Numbers 13:8).
Again, Solomon's mother was a Black/African Kushite from the tribe of Sheba (Genesis 10:7). Her name was 'BathSheba' and Bathsheba means 'daughter of Sheba.' Sheba is listed as a descendant of Cush/Kush =Black/African (Genesis 10:7).
On and on, the list could go, as the Hebrews of Biblical era were Black/Nubian,Egyptian, in Black/African stock, color and appearance and they remain that way to this day as the dwell in Southern Africa, Israel, and other regions of the world. Some even dwell in the U.S. and know they are Israeli Black/African descendants while other blacks lost to their identity don't know it. During what the whites called their 'Crusades' they went to Israel and killed or enslaved the Black Israeli, Canaanite, Kushite factions and sent them to Europe and the U.S..
At any rate, here is what the Greeks, who whites herald as 'the founders of civilization' had to say about their EYE-WITNESS account of who the Black/African Egyptians. Remember the Greeks were white racists but did not have the gall of Satan to the extreme that their white caucasoid descendants the world over would take up, in that though the Greeks were prejudice bigots, in their prejudice they blatantly and as you will see, sometimes inadvertently admit the BLACK/AFRICAN EGYPTIAN TRUTH.
In fact, they say the same thing about the Black/African Hebrews who could not be told apart from any Black/AFrican on the planet. Note:In antiquity they were a particularly 'dark-black, blue black' of which they were 'vain about.' They felt superior to lighter skinned people and likened their blackness to holiness.
a) Herodotus white's hierarchies give him credit for being 'their' father of history (-480 to 425) wrote with regard to the Colchians:
25. In the fifth century before our era, at a time when Herodotus visited Egypt, a black-skinned people, the Colchians, were still living in Colchis on the Armenian shore of the Black Sea, east of the ancient port of Trebizond, surrounded by white skin nations.
The scholars of antiquity wondered about this people's origin and Herodotus in 'Euterpe' , the second book of his history on Egypt, tries to prove that the Colchians were Egyptians, whence the arguments we quote. Herodotus, on the strength of commemorative stelae, erected by Sesotris in conquered countries, assert that this monarch has got as far as Thrace and Sethyia, where stelae would seem to have been still standing in his day (Book II, 103).
"It is in fact manifest that the Colchidians are Egyptian by race....several Egyptians told me that in their opinion the Colchidians were descended from soldiers of Sesostris. I had conjectured as much myself from two pointers, firstly becuase they have black skins and kinky hair (to tell the truth this proves nothing for other peoples have them too) and secondly and more reliably for the reason alone among mankind the Egyptians and the Ethiopians have practiced circumcision since time immemorial. The Phoenicians and Syrians of Palestine admit that they learnt the practice from the Egyptians while the Syrians in the river Thermodon and Pathenios region and their neighbours the Macrons say they learnt it recently from the Colchidians. These are the only races which practise circumcision and it is observable that they do it in the same way as the Egyptians. As between the Egyptians themselves and the Ethiopians I could not say which taught the oth er the practice for among them it is quite clearly a custom of antiquity. As to the custom having been learnt through their Egyptian connections, a further strong proof to my mind is that all Phoenicians trading to Greece cease to treat the pudenda after the Egyptian manner and do not subject their offspring to circumcision."
26- Herodotus, Book II, 104. As with many peoples in black Africa, Egyptian women underwent excision of the clitoris: cf. Strabo, Geography, Book XVII, Ch. I.
Herodotus reverts several times to the negroid character of the Egyptians and each time uses it as a fact of observation to argue more or less complex theses. Thus to prove that the Greek oracle at Dodona in Epirus was of Egyptian origin, one of his aruments is the following: "...and when they add that the dove was black they give us to understand that the woman was Egypian." The doves in queston- actually there were two according to the text-symbolize two Egyptian women who are said to have been carried off from the Egyptian Thebes to found the oracles in Greece at Dodona and in Libya (Oasis of Jupiter Amon) respectively. Herodotus did not share the opinion of Anaxagoras that the melting of the snow on the mountains of Ethiopia was the source of the Nile floods. He relied on the fact that it neither rains nor snows in Ethiopia 'and the heat there turns men black'.
27- Herodotus, Book II, 57.
28- Seneca, Questions of Nature. IV, 17/
29- Herodotus, Book II, 22.
b) Aristotle, -389 to -332, scientist philosopher and tutor of Alexander the Great.
In one of his minor works, Aristotle attempts, with unexpected naivete', to establish a correlation between the physical and moral natures of living beings and leaves us evidence on the Egyptian-Ethiopian race which confirms what Herodotus says. According to him, 'Those who are too black are cowards, like for instance, the Egyptians and Ethiopians. But those who are excessively white are also cowards as we can see from the example of women, the complexion of courage is between the two.'
30-Aristotle, Physiognomy 6
c) Lucian Greek writer, +125 (?) to +190.
The evidence of Lucian is as explicit as that of the two previous writers. He introduces two Greeks, Lycinius and Timolaus, who start a conversation.
31-Lucian, Navigations, paras 2-3
Lycinus (describing a young Egyptian): 'This boy is not merely black; he has thick lips and his legs are too thin. . .his hair worn in a plait behind shows that he is not freeborn.'
Timolaus: 'But that is a sign of really distinguished birth in Egypt, Lycinus. All freeborn children plait their hair until they reach manhood. It is the exact opposite of the custom of our ancestors who thought it seemly for old men to secure their hair with a gold brooch to keep it in place.'
d) Appollodorus, first century before our era, Greek philospher. 'Aegyptos conquered the country of the black-footed ones and
called it Egypt after himself.'
32-Appollodorus, Book II, 'The Family of Imachus' paras 3 and 4.
e) Aeschylus, - 525 (?) to - 456, tragic poet and creator of Greek tragedy. In the Suppliants, Danoas, fleeing with his daughters, the Danaids, and pursued by his brother Aegyptos with his sons, the Aegyptiads, who seek to wed their cousins by force, climbs a hillock, looks out to sea and describes the Aegyptiads at the oars afar off in these terms: "I can see the crew with their black limbs and white tunics."
A similar description of the Egyptian type of man recurs a few lines later in verse 745.
33-Aeschylus, The Suppliants, vv. 719-20. See also v. 745.
f) Achilles Tatius of Alexandria. He compares the herdsmen of the Delta to the Ethiopians and explains that they are blackish, like half-castes.
g) Strabo, -58 to about +25.
Strabo visited Egypt and almost all the countries of the Roman empire. He concurs in the theory that the Egyptians and the Colchoi are of the same race but holds that the migrations to Ethiopia and Colchoi had been from Egypt only.
"Egyptians settled in Ethiopia and in Colchoi. There is no doubt whatever as to Strabo's notion of the Egyptians' race for he seeks elsewhere to explain why the Egyptians are darker than the Hindus, a circumstance which would permit the refutation, if needed, of any attempt at confusing 'the Hindu and Egyptian races'.
34-Strabo, Geography, Book I, ch. 3, para 10.
h) Diodorus of Silicy, about -63 to +14, Greek historian and contemporary of Caesar Augustus.
According to Diodorus it was probably Ethiopia which colonized Egypt (in the Athenian sense of the term, signifying that, with overpopulation, a proportion of the people emigrate to new territory).
36-"Diodorus, University History, Book III. The antiquity of the Ethiopian civilization is attested by the most ancient and most venerable Greek writer, Homer in both the Iliad and the Odyssey: "Jupiter followed today by all the gods receives the sacrifices of the Ethiopians (Illiad, I, 422).
'Yesterday to visit holy Ethiopia Jupiter betook himself to the ocean shore'" (Iliad, I, 423).
The Ethiopians say that the Egyptians are one of their colonies, which was led into Egypt by Osiris. They claim that at the beginning of the world Egypt was simply a sea but that the Nile, carrying down vast quantities of loam from Ethiopia in its flood waters, finally filled it in and made it part of the continent. . .They added that the Egyptians have received from them, as from authors and their ancestors, the great part of their laws.'
i) Doigenes Laertius.
He wrote the following about Zeno, founder of the Stoic School (-333 to -261): 'Zeno son of Mnaseas or Demeas was a native of Citium in Cyprus, A Greek city which has taken in some Phoenician colonists.' In his Lives, Timotheus of Athens describes Zeno as having a twisted neck. Apollonius of Tyre says of him that he was gaunt, very tall and black, hence the fact that, according to Chrysippus in the First Book of his Proverbs certain people called him an Egyptian vine-shoot.
37-Diogenes Laertius, Book VII, i.
j) Ammianus Marcellinus, about +33 to +100, Latin historian and friend of the Emperor Julian.
With him we reach the sunset of the Roman Empire and the end of classical antiquity. There are about nine centuries between the birth of Aeschylus and Herodotus and the dath of Ammianus Marcellinus, nine centuries during which the Egyptians, amid a sea of white races, steadily crossbred. It can be said without exaggeration that in Egypt one household in ten included a white Asiatic or Indo-European slave.
38-The Egyptian notables liked to have a Syrians or Cretan female slave in their harems.
It is remarkable that, despite its intensity, all this crossbreeding should not ahve succeeded in upsetting the racial constants. Indeed Ammianus Marcellinus writes: ". . . the men of Egypt are mostly brown or black with a skinny and dessicated look".
39-Ammianus Maarcellinus, Book XXII, para 16 (23).
He also confirms the evidence already cited about the Colchoi: "Beyond these lands are the heartlands of the Camaritae and the Phasis with its swifter stream borders the country of the Colchoi, an ancient race of Egyptian origin.'
40-Pirate gangs who worked from small ships called Camare.
41-Ammianus Marcellinus, Book XXII, para. 8 (24).
This cursory review of the evidence of the ancient Graeco-Latin writers on the Egyptians' race shows that the extent of agreement between them is impressive and is an objective fact difficult to minimize or conceal, the two alternatives between which present-day Egyptology constantly oscillates.
An exception is the evidence of an honest savant, Voney, who travelled in Egypt between +1783 and +1785, i.e. at the peak period of negro slavery, and made the following observation on the true Egyptian race, the same which produced the Pharaohs, namely, the Copts:
"All of them are puffy-faced, heavy-eyed and thick-lipped, in a word, real mulatto faces. I was tempted to attribute this to the climate until, on visiting the Sphinx, the look ofit gave me the clue to the enigma. Beholding that head characteristically Negro in all its features, I recalled the well-known passage of Herodotus which reads: 'For my part I consider the Colchoi are a colny of the Egyptians because, like them, they are black-skinned and kinky-haired'. In other words the ancient Egyptians were true Negroes of the same stock as all autochtonous peoples of Africa and from that datum one sees how their race, after some centuries of mixing with the blood of Romans and Greeks, must have lost the full blackness of its original colour but retained the impress of its original mould. It is even possible t apply this observation very widely and posit in principle that physiognomy is a kind of record usuable in many cases for disputing or elucida ting the evidence of history on the origins of the peoples. . .
After illustrating this proposition citing the case of the Normans, who 900 years after the conquest of Normandy still look like Danes, Volney adds:
"but reverting to Egypt, its contributions to history afford many subjects for philosphic reflection . What a subject for mediation is the present-day barbarity and ignorance of the Copts who were considered born of the alliance of the deep genius of the Egyptians and the brilliance of the Greeks, that this race of blacks who nowadays are slaves and the objects of our scorn is the very one to which we owe our arts, our sciences and even the use of spoken word and finally recollect that it is in the midst of the peoples claiming to be the greatest friends of liberty and humanity that the most barbarous of enslavements has been sanctioned and the question raised whether black men have brains of the same quality as those of white men!
42-M.C.F. Volney, Voyages en Syrie et en Egypte. Paris, 1787, Vol. I, pp. 74-7
To this testimony of Volney, Champollion-Figeac, brother of Champollion the Younger, was to reply in the following terms: 'The two physical traits of black skin and kinky hair are not enough to stamp a race as negro and Volney's conclusion as to the negro origin of th eancient population of Egypt is glaringly forced and inadmissible.'
43-J.J. Champollion-Figeac, 1839, pp. 26-7
Being black from head to foot and having kinky hair is not enough to make a man a negor! This shows us the kind of specious argumentation to which Egyptology has had to resort since its birth as a science. Some scholars maintain that Volney was seeking to shift the discussion to a philosophic plane. But we have only to re-read Volney: he is simply drawing the inferences from crude material facts forcing themselves on his eyes and his conscience as proofs.
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