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*Personally I think they are.....or either selfish azz people who will sell out their own for personal gain...like the house slave who told about the plans to run away for an extra SCRAP of meat on their plates....same thing, different timeframe....

Black Conservatives: Uncle Toms or Legitimate Voices?
By C. Stone Brown

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January 06, 2004


Their conservative viewpoints on affirmative action, tax cuts, welfare, or military spending can readily be found on the editorial pages of major daily newspapers, on the airwaves of nationally syndicated talk-radio and cable television shows.

They are black conservatives -- the likes of Larry Elder, Thomas Sowell, Armstrong Williams, Ken Hamblin, Shelby Steele, Walter Williams, Dana White and Alan Keyes -- a growing number of African-American men and women who media watchdogs and liberal critics say receive an inordinate amount of media attention.

Are black conservatives simply exploiting the novelty of being black and conservative? Or do they offer a legitimate alternate viewpoint that is gaining currency in the African-American community?

The easy answer to why black conservatives get more media access above their liberal counterparts is because they are seen as a novelty in politics where the majority of African-Americans lean left of center on social and economic issues and overwhelmingly vote Democrat.

"Some of the things that they are saying, the community is saying 'I agree with you,'" said, Nancie Teeter McPhail, senior producer for the "The Right Side With Armstrong Williams," a nationally syndicated radio and television program. "People are coming into a realization about values ... we have so much in the media that is taking us away from our basic value system and I think people are listening to the black conservative viewpoint."

The market is simply saturated with an African-American liberal perspective, said Craig Deluz, an African-American conservative candidate for City Council in Sacramento, Calif. "It's not something that is going to surprise and shock you, but if you have an African American who is writing and supporting President Bush, that may be something of a novelty. The problem I would say with black liberal columnists is they aren't writing anything that thousands of other liberal columnists aren't already saying. So a lot of it may be just market factor, in that they got enough people writing about it," he said.

Lionel K. McPherson, former writer for Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting (FAIR), a New York-based liberal media-watchdog group, and author of "The Loudest Silence Ever Heard: Black Conservatives in the Media," said there is more that explains why black conservatives get a disproportionate amount of media access.

"As I wondered back in '92, why are these people who are vastly outnumbered getting such an over-representation of their view in the media ... novelty isn't enough, to the extent that an overwhelmingly minority viewpoint deserves that much attention, this seems to involve some sort of value judgment," said McPherson, who also teaches philosophy at Tufts University in Medford, Mass.


"I've been told at least 50 times that I could write my own check as a syndicated columnist or a talk-show person if I would stop being liberal. Syndicates have told me this," said Barbara A. Reynolds, a liberal African-American, and founding editor and former columnist for USA Today.

Reynolds, who has made appearances on "The Oprah Winfrey Show," "Politically Incorrect," C-Span and CNN, and is the author of several books, said her access to the media has shrunk because there is little if any requests for a liberal perspective.

"It's not 'rocket science' to understand why black conservatives have become popular. The issue is money, the white Republicans will fund their mouthpieces, the white Democrats rarely do, and that is the simplicity of it," said Reynolds, citing Ward Connerly, a high-profile black conservative and member of the University of California Board of Regents who has opposed affirmative action. "He gets millions of dollars to fight affirmative action, but if I wanted to fight for it, there wouldn't be any money for me out there to do that."

Teeter-McPhail, who worked with Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas when he chaired the U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission in the early '80s, said it's a widespread assumption among liberals that white conservatives are funding the rhetoric of black conservatives. "We don't get any funding from the Republican Party whatsoever ... People think 'Oh, Armstrong says that because he gets Republicans to fund his rhetoric.' He doesn't get one dime, Armstrong's opinions are based on his values and the way he was brought up," said McPhail, who has known Williams for more than 20 years.

Deluz said the popularity of black-conservative media personalities by media executives mirror a slow shift in African Americans moving right of center on certain issues. "Many African Americans are moving from Democrat to declining to state the party affiliation, and you are starting to get some who are moving to the Republican Party."

Voting in the last presidential election doesn't support Deluz's claim that African Americans are slowly moving away from the Democratic Party. President Bush received less than 8 percent of the African-American vote in 2000.

Reynolds, who said she helped Williams early in his media career, cautioned not to lump all black conservatives together, adding they aren't all "Uncle Toms."

"I don't have any problems with people who are legitimate ... some will just go against everything that blacks stand for because they know there are funds out there to do that," said Reynolds.
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Really, my only problem with Black Conservatives is that they don't seem to know what they stand for ... or at least, can't seem to articulate it. Eek

You ask them what their agenda is and they say ... "Well, I believe that the Conservatives have a better idea, because Democrats haven't been doing anything for us." But what is that better idea? And why is it better? Has there been more progression for Black people when Republicans are in office, than when Dems are? I remember my situation before Clinton took office, after 12 years of Republican power ... and for all I care, Clinton could have been a Martian ... but he made my personal economic picture brighter, as well as that of the rest of the country with a record surplus ... so I wouldn't have cared if he was doing the whole Dallas Cheerleader Squad!! Eek He was good for the country ... and he was a Democrat to boot!

I am very much a 'to each his own' kinda person. And an individual's politics are something that he/she has to sleep with at night. It wouldn't make sense to dislike a Conservative because they are a Conservative. But, I do dislike anyone or anything who doesn't work for the betterment of my people. And that's the bottom line.

BLACK by NATURE, PROUD by CHOICE.
Free your mind, and the rest will follow.
hey: i'm a conservative (though not a republican conservative).

my agenda? ...

firstly, i'm for a strong, forward-thinking afro-american community and family.

secondly, i support a well-planned strategy to strenghten our hbcus. i'm pro-education.

i'm believe fervently in a self-enterprising, interdependent economic program that will encourage more afro-americans to invest in themselves, thereby enriching their lives and those who may entreat us.

regarding crime, personal respect for your neighbor and fellow human being is critical not only to preserve our personal freedom but order. this would ensure we will have the "numbers" to preserve the future of the afro-american community but also enough hands to get this great work done. so, i'm one for exercising strict and swift justice!

what else? ...
come on mocove,

are blacks really willing to pay taxes out the azz and then let everyone else milk the gov't for the tax revenue for their issues while blacks turn their backs? No....doesn't sound too feasible...and that is one of my many problems with black conservatives....they are too damn passive and not willing to fight for equal access to this country's resources...that "ain't" never going to cut the mustard.....
Kevin': i get your point, but somehow it misses mine. my conservative makes a strong appeal for taking back a neighborhoods and hbcus, but i refuse to build more prisons and release more "weak-minded" ingrates.

ask more questions, Kevin', before attacking someone's position. how do you conclude my conservative posture implies one of "passivity" and no action?
passivity in terms of demanding that the gov't does for you what it does for others....IN ADDITION to making moves based on self-sufficiency.....I mean damn, W starts a war and pays all of his cronies during a bad azz economy....corporations get million dollar bail-outs (Enron was mentioned for one at one time)...and conservatives miscarry when a black kid gets a free lunch or breakfast......It is like conservatives speak from the same premise white folks do when they think they are talking to a dumb negro.....they speak as if all is even steven and blacks are just sorry or that the racial imbalances of the past have no bearing on the inequities that exist today......DUH, they were passed down!!! i'm kool on blk conservatives though....they espouse too many right-wing soundbites for me....either Noah or Faheem once outlined how black conservatives speak of conservative politics in the way THEY would LIKE to see it practiced, when we all know it is designed and implemented in a way that maintains white privelege.........from reparations to affirmative action to racial profiling to vouchers....the right-wing position taken are not realistically embracing a black perspective....because WE ALL know that blacks and whites do not have the same social reality...but blk conservatives like to act like we do without ever takining differences into consideration.....it seems like being in good graces with whites is more important to the majority of them.......
who espouses that "less gov't" nonsesnse while expanding gov't for their own use and relying heavily on gov't to keep THEIR businesses and revenues afloat...and at the same time have blacks spaeking against social programs that attempts to rectify the same poverty the whites they defend relegated black people to in the first place....see the other thread on the Black male Comission if you REALLY want to see what i think of blk conservatives.......
After the trent lott thing...only the dedicated bootlickers call themselves republican conservatives.....they hide behind the term "independent" even though they still espouse right-wing rhetoric and never anything that is "new" or "independent" of right-wing thinking......so i never expect many blacks to say they are affiliated with the republican party.....but my thing is...if one agrees with them on the issues...don't be a punk....call themselves one......i would if that were the case...........
My beliefs:

Smaller federal government, put more power back in the hands of the states to govern themselves. The federal government should be concerned with major issues that the states cannot and are not equipped to deal with such as defense of the country, raising of revenue for programs, international trade and so on.

Strong defense, as a ex-military and the father of a Marine, I expect that when we send our kids to war send them equipped to win from the outset.

Strong foreign policy that does not involve pissing people off so bad that we need to worry about having a strong defense. No more smiling in the face and stabbing folks in the back policy.

A reasonable social policy in this country that does not involve taking my hard earn money and giving it to people who don't care to work and don't try to find work. I'm all for welfare to work programs, but programs that don't drive people to get up and improve themselves are a waste of time and tax dollars.

And can we please do something about the legal system in this country that everybody who trips, spills coffee on themselves and ignores the safety warning on the label can sue and win big bucks.

A national education policy that rewards the good schools where students actually learn and drives out of business the ones where students just are wasting their time. Give parents not local school boards the authority to determine where and how kids are educated and if that means using public funds to allow kids to go to private schools that are getting the job done so be it.

I'll keep this one short; if you can't do the time, don't do the crime. I believe in the death penlty and long prison sentences for those who refuse to stop preying on the innocent and the weak.

A balanced policy that ensures the environment is protected but allows the creation of jobs and protects the rights of individual property owners to develop their property without interference from the government just because their is a three legged three eyed purple toad on the land.

Dump the personal income tax and go to a national sales tax that everybody regardless of weath has to pay.

Does that make me conservative Cool
Personally, I do not give a damn about what people think they are; conservative, liberal or otherwise. I am beyond debating things with people who really have no logical explanation for their beliefs or cannot support their stances in terms of positive policy outcomes for black people, yet strive to be controversal or sensational. If one can look the facts about disparities that adversely affect black people and support those very positions/philosophies that cause them.....f-k em. I just continue to realize who my enemies are(both black and white) and crush them both accordingly. I am through ever trying to convince anyone black of anything regarding their own self-interest. As always, I will just show them with real life examples of how they could have been more of a person in terms of self-worth and dignity and even economic and professional success.....you do not have to be a subjugated negro to be successful....damn the left over slave-minded negro who think we have to bow to massa in order to get ours......wow, that is a really strange mindset.....when one opposes their own to get theirs.....what a sorry azz lackey azz way to go through life.........the house negro in a 21st century context......simply amazing...
From reading many of the posts, most of the regulars at this site could be considered conservative. However, being conservative has different meanings depending on who is saying it.

Most of us have a certain investment in this system as it is; that makes us conservative. That's not to say that we don't want to see positive change.

We work hard to get ahead for ourselves and family; that makes us Black and conservative.

We tend towards self-reliance, looking for the government (federal or otherwise) to do for us what we are unable to do for ourselves; that makes us Black and conservative.

we tend towards believing that we should be free to make our own decisions in life and are willing to accept both the rewards and consequences of our choices; that makes us Black and conservative.

We tend towards having spiritual/moral guiding principles that start with treating others with respect and dignity; that makes us Black and conservative.

We tend tends believing in the benefits of a strong family and support policies supportive of this; that makes us Black and conservative.

However, from what I've gathered, being non-Black and conservative means securing personal freedoms for themselves, while limiting the personal freedoms of others, and preserving the institutational advantages that this racist system has bestowed on them by accident of birth.
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Originally posted by Kweli4Real:

From reading many of the posts, most of the regulars at this site could be considered conservative. However, being conservative has different meanings depending on who is saying it.

Most of us have a certain investment in this system as it is; that makes us conservative. That's not to say that we don't want to see positive change.

We work hard to get ahead for ourselves and family; that makes us Black and conservative.

We tend towards self-reliance, looking for the government (federal or otherwise) to do for us what we are unable to do for ourselves; that makes us Black and conservative.

we tend towards believing that we should be free to make our own decisions in life and are willing to accept both the rewards and consequences of our choices; that makes us Black and conservative.

We tend towards having spiritual/moral guiding principles that start with treating others with respect and dignity; that makes us Black and conservative.

We tend tends believing in the benefits of a strong family and support policies supportive of this; that makes us Black and conservative.


I believe that all of the above represents universal principles - above and beyond political definitions like conservative or liberal. The fact that I work hard, take responsibility for myself and my family, believe in God, and am financially frugal is in no way in conflict with my progressive political beliefs.

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However, from what I've gathered, being non-Black and conservative means securing personal freedoms for themselves, while limiting the personal freedoms of others, and preserving the institutational advantages that this racist system has bestowed on them by accident of birth.


BINGO!


There is no passion to be found playing small, in settling for a life
that is less than the one you are capable of living. - Mandela
Kweli,

You and MBM are correct......most blacks are SOCIALLY conservative like myself, but damn sure are not politically conservative...which represents the interests of white males and works to extend white privelege. House negroes try to used their dumbed-down thinking and merge the two....but they really are just idiots....no aptitude or self-worth...in other words...dumb azz subjugated lackeys.

As so far as states rights-fk no!! The states discriminate their azzes off in terms of distribution of resources if not regulated at the federal level......that is why political conservatives like to defer everything to the states or privatize....because they can use the good-ole boy networks to keep everything for themselves and their cronies.....democracy now on KPFK talked about how the bush family did so since WWI in the energy and defense sectors.....and now we have closed-bid billion dollar contracts being financed by black tax dollars as black unemployment goes to double digits and efforts are being made to keep black people unemployed (immigrant policies), out of colleges and out of gov't contracting (AA repeals). And on top of that, these sorry azz dumb azz negroes and inbred racist whites are trying to pawn that schit off on me as valid....they really need to go get a formal education in policy analysis so they do not come across as sooo fucking racist and/or stupid....they really do. But from what comes out of their mouths....i can see now I do not ever have to worry about competition against them for anything......
"Conservative"
1 Tending to conserve;
2 Tending to perserve established institutions, etc.; opposed to change
3 Moderate; cautious --Webster's New World Dictionary.

"Conservative"
Unprogressive;
Moderate;
Protective;
Unchanging;
Stable;
Reactionary, Mossback
Tory. (See permanance) --Roget's College Thesaurus i.e., extreme conservative.

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So, exactly what institutions in an institutionalized racist country is that "Conservative Blacks" are trying to preserve? And for who's benefit; who will benefit from this conservation and who will not?

Wasn't this nation Unprogressive during slavery and jim crow and segregation; wasn't this country opposed to change during these eras?

Isn't discrimination in employment, housing, education, sentencing,and the justice system still in a lot of intances Unchanging?

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Black "conservatives" are either no more that straight "house niggers," or very ignorant of the true ramifications of the conservatives' true adgenda, or do not understand that the term "conservative" today is also the neo code word for racist. They are the blacks that either live in denial of the truth or they are the blacks that are still operating from under the veil of racist brainwashing that compels them to aspire only to please whites, be like whites and to continuously prove that they "are not like those other blacks"---i.e., the stero-types paraded across the t.v. and movie screens by hollywood and/or the hollywood/media propaganda tool--which by the way, has now been obviously controlled by conservatives for the past two decades, again. Most of them are no more than pet niggers for conservatives whites use and amusement, and they are only too glad to please their white master. They have no compassion or concern for any blacks less fortunate than themselves (the ones that actually are on the socio-economic level that they believe themselves to be; however, most of them are nowhere actually on the socio-economic level that they believe themselves to be), because if they show compassion or concern for issues and obstacles facing Africans Americans in general or that are less fortunate, that may through a hint that they are the same people. These people are living in a fantasy; a virtual reality of reality.
The white conservatives in this country knows that if they can con enough Blacks to believe that they are equally accepted by them (although, they just don't know that they didn't even have to waste they con on some) they can disrupt potentially winning Democratic elections all across this country, locally, regionally, and on the federal levels.

So, let's recap:
They used us to pick their cotton; they used us to get off their sadist and racist fetishes; they used us to work for low wages; they used us to fill up their privatized, private investment funded prisons; they used negative stero-types of us to win elections, sell movies and t.v. shows; and now they want to use us to vote people into office that will incorporate adgendas that negatively effect Blacks in employment, housing, wages, health, education, the justice system, and in voting rights.-- the white man's welfare--blacks, minorities, third world countries; all with the help up their house nigger, opps, I mean "conservative blacks" to a lot of the work for them in the capacity of black overseers, opps, I mean, "conservative black Americans."

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