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Black Coalition Announces Gay Marriage Support



The National Black Justice Coalition Monday announced a nationwide campaign to generate black support for same-sex marriage and to fight against the recently proposed Federal Marriage Amendment.

The coalition is an ad hoc group of black LGBT community leaders, public figures and activists who have come together to fight against discrimination in the African American community.

Speaking at a Washington press conference, leaders of the group vowed to engage all major national black political leaders and civil rights leaders and many of the nation's black religious leaders to support their campaign.

The group also called on all black civil rights organizations and political leaders to take a strong position against the Federal Marriage Amendment.

"The right-wing fired the first shots in this battle, but today we fire back," said Coalition member Donna Payne.

"We will not allow the out-of-touch radical right to divide the black community on this issue," she added.

The coalition has begun raising $100,000 for a targeted ad campaign in the black media, and intends to developing a new website to counter right-wing misinformation about blacks and same-sex marriage.

The coalition also announced the support of Coretta Scott King, Congressman John Lewis, Ambassador Carol Moseley Braun, Rev. Al Sharpton, Whoopi Goldberg and several other key African American public figures who have come out in favor of same-sex marriage. The group said it plans to announce major new supporters in the coming months.

"African Americans support civil rights for all Americans," said writer and coalition member Keith Boykin, "and our judgment will not be clouded by the smoke and mirrors of a few vocal opponents."

http://www.ebonylesbigay.org/article1074.html

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Do you have some Gay agenda Ricardo that you are trying to force down our throats? You are beginning to remind me of a snake, albeit a non poisonous one but a snake none the less. You come under the guise of agreement on many issues facing the Black man and woman but you are simultaneously trying to legitimize a lifestyle most Black men and women abhor and believe stem from an abnormality in most of those who take part in this lifestyle. The struggle gay men and women are engaged in is not equal to or related to the struggle that Black men and women are engaged in. The gay community and supporters of the gay community like you are polarizing this issue as an issue of the right wing republicans thus by default trying to make this an issue in the mind and hearts of those who are against the right wing republicans.

While homosexuality very well may be an abnormality a man or woman can be born with, it is an abnormality none the less. Anytime you have a human being that is born physically a man and biologically a man but is attracted to men, you can not believe this is normal. We are talking simple science and nature here no religion involved. Men are the natural mate of women and women are the natural mate of men. In order for the gay struggle to be equal to the struggle of Black men and women there have to be an abnormality in being Black and there is no such thing. It appears that even some of the Black folk on this board in their haste have assumed a position that equates the gay struggle to that of the Black struggle and nothing can be further from the truth. I swear everyday it appear Black folk who believe in this countries political process is becoming as desperate as the democratic party is right now and are doing every thing in their power to stop the republicans from staying in power even if it mean compromises in places we have never compromised. I will bet if you check the record of this Coalition of Black so called community leaders you will find that they have never stood where they are standing now and are merely doing it out of desperation, which is as bad as Black men and women being a republican. .

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[This message was edited by Faheem on December 12, 2003 at 11:34 PM.]
ricardomath why don't you come out and declare you are gay. I really don't get your mentality in this area. You are on a black website constantly talking about a pet hate of black people - homosexuality. I hope you don't do this in real life because if you do I can assure you the consequencies would be a lesson well learned.

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Originally posted by henry38:
ricardomath why don't you come out and declare you are gay.


Mainly because I am straight. winkgrin But if I were gay, or bisexual for that matter, I would have no qualms in declaring it, and I would not be in the least hesitant and/or embaressed in doing so. thumbsup

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I really don't get your mentality in this area. You are on a black website constantly talking about a pet hate of black people - homosexuality. I hope you don't do this in real life because if you do I can assure you the consequencies would be a lesson well learned.


I have done this, and continue to do this in real life all the time, in addition to posting about the issue on numerous internet bullitin boards and forums, including this one.

It is one of a number of issues that I have been involved in sporatically since the mid 1970s, when we attempted to get a city ordinance passed here in Ames banning housing discrimination on the basis of age, marital status, and sexual orientation (an attempt that failed for lack of a second, and for which the couragous city council member that proposed it lost in his reelection bid, but which eventually passed unanimously in the 1980s).

Later, in conjunction with the 1987 Gay Rights March on Washington, on the heels of the 1986 Bowers v Hardwick decision by the Supremes, I was arrested, along with 480 others, in a nonviolent civil disobediance on the steps of the US Supreme Court, and spent the next few days in the DC jail. Now, 16 years later, in 2003, the Supremes overturned Bowers v Hardwick in Lawrence v Texas.

In fact, I am quite pleased with how things have been progressing lately, and fully expect to see much progress on the issue over the next few years. Smile

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Originally posted by ricardomath:
I have done this, and continue to do this in real life all the time, in addition to posting about the issue on numerous internet bullitin boards and forums, including this one.
Why Ricardo why are you so much in favour of gay people? You are not being consistent. On one hand you post information about animals that are in danger of being wiped out then in the same breath you are in full support of an abnormal behaviour that threatens the human race. Think about it if animals practised gay sex it would not need human help to wipe them out. That being the case you should be against this abnormal behaviour in humans as you know the consequencies if things get out of hand.

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Originally posted by ricardomath:
I have done this, and continue to do this in real life all the time, in addition to posting about the issue on numerous internet bullitin boards and forums, including this one.
Why Ricardo _why_ are you so much in favour of gay people? You are not being consistent. On one hand you post information about animals that are in danger of being wiped out then in the same breath you are in full support of an abnormal behaviour that threatens the human race. Think about it if animals practised gay sex it would not need human help to wipe them out. That being the case you should be against this abnormal behaviour in humans as you know the consequencies if things get out of hand.



huh??? Confused

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Originally posted by ricardomath:

"We will not allow the out-of-touch radical right to divide the black community on this issue," she added.




I don't share the anti-gay hostility so many on this board express, but I do find this "coalition" to be pretty ridiculous. If I were gay, before I call somebody else "out-of-touch," I would make sure that I wasn't running around acting like same-sex marriage is a more important issue than stemming the dangers of the DL-culture and the spike in HIV-infection among sexually active gay black males.
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Originally posted by henry38:
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Originally posted by ricardomath:
I have done this, and continue to do this in real life all the time, in addition to posting about the issue on numerous internet bullitin boards and forums, including this one.
Why Ricardo _why_ are you so much in favour of gay people? You are not being consistent. On one hand you post information about animals that are in danger of being wiped out then in the same breath you are in full support of an abnormal behaviour that threatens the human race. Think about it if animals practised gay sex it would not need human help to wipe them out. That being the case you should be against this abnormal behaviour in humans as you know the consequencies if things get out of hand.



huh??? Confused


Come come come Ricardo don't act as if you are confused. Don't you remember you posted the following about endangered animals? Show the same care for humans
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Originally posted by ricardomath:

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Vox, you care to share with us what you believe is anti-gay hostility?

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Originally posted by negrospiritual:
Ricardo,
I would dare say the the "National BLack Coalition" whoever that may be is not representative of a wide range of black american thought.


NS,

I would dare say that my position on many issues is not representative of the majority opinion in this country, whether black or otherwise. Smile

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I'm puzzled about why a married man would fee the need to advocate for gay rights at every opportunity?


I support the human rights of all people, including gays.

In addition, within my lifetime my own marriage would have been illegal in many states, were it not for the Lovings v Virginia decision of the Supremes in 1967. This decision was a happy (for me, anyway!) side-effect of the civil rights movement. Having gained my own right, as a straight white man, to marry who I wish, essentially riding on the coattails of the civil rights movement that ended Jim Crow, it would hardly seem right for me to attempt to deny gays that same right.

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How is gay marriage a "human right" Ricardo? If gay marriage is a human right; why is it being fought on the "civil right" level. Gay marriage is a civil rights issue and far from being a human rights issue. Homosexuals do not want to get married just so they can say they are married, they want to get married so they can be afforded the rights and benefits that are afforded to married men and women, thus making it a civil issue.

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Originally posted by Faheem:
Do you have some Gay agenda Ricardo that you are trying to force down our throats?


I have a many agendas, including human rights agendas, which in turn include gay rights, but I don't think that I am forcing those agendas down anybodys' throats.

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You are beginning to remind me of a snake, albeit a non poisonous one but a snake none the less. You come under the guise of agreement on many issues facing the Black man and woman but you are simultaneously trying to legitimize a lifestyle most Black men and women abhor and believe stem from an abnormality in most of those who take part in this lifestyle.


I have come here under no guise. I believe that I posted a gay rights thread shortly after being invited here by Lofton from another forum. (He was on one of his anti-Latino and anti-immigrant tirades at the time, if I recall correctly.) My opinions on many matters is no secret, including those matters where I disagree with a majority on this forum. Clearly, I am not aligned with the majority of posters here (or any other forum, for that matter) on issues like militarism, disarmament, war resistance, nonviolence, pacifism, etc, in addition to gay rights.

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The struggle gay men and women are engaged in is not equal to or related to the struggle that Black men and women are engaged in.


Every struggle is different, but don't forget the fact that there are gay black men and black lesbians engaged in the gay rights struggle.

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The gay community and supporters of the gay community like you are polarizing this issue as an issue of the right wing republicans thus by default trying to make this an issue in the mind and hearts of those who are against the right wing republicans.


I think that it is the far right in this country that is polarizing the issue, by denying people their basic rights to marry who they wish. You should note that it is not gays who are trying to deny straights the right to marry who they wish.

I'm going to post this this much now so that I don't lose it, and respond to your second paragraph later.

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Originally posted by negrospiritual:
Ricardo,
I would dare say the the "National BLack Coalition" whoever that may be is not representative of a wide range of black american thought. I'm puzzled about why a married man would fee the need to advocate for gay rights at every opportunity?


GAY UNIONS/MARRIAGE HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH WEDDINGS OF THE CHURCH. THESE ARE CIVIL UNIONS... CIVIL RIGHTS. WHY ARE BLACKS SO HOMOPHOBIC, PROBABLY WHY BLACK MEN ARE MORE ON THE DOWN LOW THAN WHITE MEN. GET OVER IT, DAMN!!
>>>>>>>>>>Why Ricardo _why_ are you so much in favour of gay people? You are not being consistent. On one hand you post information about animals that are in danger of being wiped out then in the same breath you are in full support of an abnormal behaviour that threatens the human race.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

God made gay people goober. Who are you to judge?? Are you MOSES?? What is threatening black women in AMERICA is not GAY men, but the multitude of Black men that are BI and not TELLING... UNLIKE THEIR WHITE COUNTERPARTS.
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Originally posted by Faheem:
How is gay marriage a "human right" Ricardo? If gay marriage is a human right; why is it being fought on the "civil right" level. Gay marriage is a civil rights issue and far from being a human rights issue. Homosexuals do not want to get married just so they can say they are married, they want to get married so they can be afforded the rights and benefits that are afforded to married men and women, thus making it a civil issue.


I know that lawyers tend to distinguish between "human rights" and "civil rights", but since I am not a lawyer, hose technical distinctions escape me, and in fact hold little interest for me. I gather that one refers to what should be and the other to what is enforced by the state, or something lke that.

In any case, I have a tendency to use the term human rights for such matters, but that may just be my preference. I use the term in more of a practical sense than a theoretical sense.

For example, consider the recient Israeli law prohibiting Palestinians from the occupied territories from cohabiting with their Israeli spouses/partners in Israel. (I have a thread somewhere here about that.) Now, one can quibble about whether cohabitation of the couple is a civil right or a human right, but either way, the fact remains that couples and families are being split apart and exiled. Marriage triggers a lot of widely recognised rights (civil or human).

Many gay couples are currently being split apart and/or exiled from this country because their marriages are not currently recognized by the state. That is just a single example of the injustice of not allowing gay marriages.

(This is an example with which I can empathise quite deeply, since my wife and I were nearly exiled from the US for 10 years a while back.)

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Ricardo, the far right is polarizing this issue as it relate to their constituents, however it is men like you who are trying to polarize this issue as a right against left issue and by doing so making it an issue of concern to Black men and women. There are tons of Black gay men and women but every time I see someone in the Black community trying to win support for gay issues, it is not those Black gay men and women it is white men and women like yourself trying to convince us that gay rights is similar to the rights Black men and women had to fight for, which again is far from the truth. I am not concerned with you loosing it, what ever it may be.

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Essentially Ricardo by you saying you hold very little interest in the reality of things we should just dismiss your ranting as that of someone who is self absorbed and see things only as he want to see them? Your example of what is taking place in Israeli is in no way equal to the dynamics that are present in gay marriages here in the U.S. The principles of the two are not the same either. You should re-evaluate your use of the term human right and get yourself a real world definition and not one that suits your ideas.

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