Black America Has No Leader. Not Even Obama

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"I'm just trying to make a way out of no way, for my people" -Modejeska Monteith Simpkins

 

AFRICAN AMERICA IS AT WAR

THERE IS A RACE WAR ON AFRICAN AMERICA

THERE IS A RACE WAR ON AFRICAN AMERICANS

THERE IS A RACE WAR ON BLACK PEOPLE IN AMERICA

AMERICA'S RACISTS HAVE INFILTRATED AMERICAN POLICE FORCES TO WAGE A RACE WAR AGAINST BLACK PEOPLE IN AMERICA

THE BLACK RACE IS AT WAR

FIRST WORLD WAR:  THE APPROXIMATELY 6,000 YEAR WORLD WAR ON AFRICA AND THE BLACK RACE

Original Post

"The consequence is that Obama may well keep on sucking the oxygen out of the system of Black leadership for years to come — not by design, but by circumstanceBoth Black and white America will look to him for leadership on race before they look to anyone elseWhich means anyone else will be a distant second-best."

 

I don't agree with that, BLM is proving there is a lot pent up energy and anger in the black community and there is a lot of unrest and disenchantment with young blacks who do not have the same affection for Obama than the older black generations have for him who lived the history to contrast the chances of a black man being elected as President of the United States.

 

Young blacks will continue to assert themselves and become more radical if they sense they are being ignored and demand respect from mainstream media and will have more respect and exposure in the social media world where most young people get their information and inspirations. The old guard have already proven to be unable and unwilling to make a difference in the well being of the black community for us to be in the state we are in today. The sad part blacks have lost ground with a black president for eight years. 

 

Obama do not have a good track record and spoken very quietly regarding important black issues. I doubt he would do anything to disappoint the white establishment that is due to pay him post presidency 10's maybe a couple 100 million, they could break their contract with him for services already rendered to them, he will do nothing to jeopardize his huge payday. 

 

He will maintain No Drama Obama persona regarding black issues, hand shake deals he made with Wall Street are not binding.    

Black America Has No Leader. Not Even Obama

Originally Posted by sunnubian:

Black America Has No Leader. Not Even Obama

The difficulty with diffuse movements is that they are good at protest but bad at coordinated policy pressure

 

That is what Hillary stated although with the world's crappiest delivery and listening skills. 

These are overall different and worse times. The comparison doesn't hold with civil rights times.  Yeah, we need A to Z economic upgrades + policy changes.

 

 

Originally Posted by Momentum:

"The consequence is that Obama may well keep on sucking the oxygen out of the system of Black leadership for years to come — not by design, but by circumstanceBoth Black and white America will look to him for leadership on race before they look to anyone elseWhich means anyone else will be a distant second-best."

 

I don't agree with that, BLM is proving there is a lot pent up energy and anger in the black community and there is a lot of unrest and disenchantment with young blacks who do not have the same affection for Obama than the older black generations have for him who lived the history to contrast the chances of a black man being elected as President of the United States.

 

Young blacks will continue to assert themselves and become more radical if they sense they are being ignored and demand respect from mainstream media and will have more respect and exposure in the social media world where most young people get their information and inspirations. The old guard have already proven to be unable and unwilling to make a difference in the well being of the black community for us to be in the state we are in today. The sad part blacks have lost ground with a black president for eight years. 

 

Obama do not have a good track record and spoken very quietly regarding important black issues. I doubt he would do anything to disappoint the white establishment that is due to pay him post presidency 10's maybe a couple 100 million, they could break their contract with him for services already rendered to them, he will do nothing to jeopardize his huge payday. 

 

He will maintain No Drama Obama persona regarding black issues, hand shake deals he made with Wall Street are not binding.    

Dude, no one knows it all. Be careful about absolutely projecting what proven master-tactician Obama will do when he leaves office.  He and Michelle have stated that their post-WH lives will be about helping AAs get justice. Despite what FOX News and scoffers like you say, they may be serious about what they say. Why imply that they're liars?

Originally Posted by DennisKalita:
Originally Posted by Momentum:

"The consequence is that Obama may well keep on sucking the oxygen out of the system of Black leadership for years to come — not by design, but by circumstanceBoth Black and white America will look to him for leadership on race before they look to anyone elseWhich means anyone else will be a distant second-best."

 

I don't agree with that, BLM is proving there is a lot pent up energy and anger in the black community and there is a lot of unrest and disenchantment with young blacks who do not have the same affection for Obama than the older black generations have for him who lived the history to contrast the chances of a black man being elected as President of the United States.

 

Young blacks will continue to assert themselves and become more radical if they sense they are being ignored and demand respect from mainstream media and will have more respect and exposure in the social media world where most young people get their information and inspirations. The old guard have already proven to be unable and unwilling to make a difference in the well being of the black community for us to be in the state we are in today. The sad part blacks have lost ground with a black president for eight years. 

 

Obama do not have a good track record and spoken very quietly regarding important black issues. I doubt he would do anything to disappoint the white establishment that is due to pay him post presidency 10's maybe a couple 100 million, they could break their contract with him for services already rendered to them, he will do nothing to jeopardize his huge payday. 

 

He will maintain No Drama Obama persona regarding black issues, hand shake deals he made with Wall Street are not binding.    

Dude, no one knows it all. Be careful about absolutely projecting what proven master-tactician Obama will do when he leaves office.  He and Michelle have stated that their post-WH lives will be about helping AAs get justice. Despite what FOX News and scoffers like you say, they may be serious about what they say. Why imply that they're liars?

LOL, he is the gaddam president now he have the power to do something NOW.

I will absolutely say what he is going to do, he aint going to do shit but line his pockets with that white establishment MONEY, 29 trillion to Wall Street, black folks ZIP! He'll have a few condescending words for black folks that we need to be better fathers, words to a graduating class of Morehouse young black men.

 

According to how we judge other ESTABLISHMENT presidents he was AWESOME!

 

I will never be a idol worshiper!

I really do not want a Black Leader...

 

All a Black leader is some charismatic figure that black folks are gonna follow...until he or she die and then go back to doing whatever the fuck black folks were doing before they came.

 

The USA did not end with George Washington or Thomas Jefferson or Ben Franklin.

 

Black folks gonna have to learn the art and science of institutionalization and codification. You make an institution, you make the codes to live by and you live by them. 

 

Black Panther Party was close. Malcolm X was too busy teaching and learning and by the time he figured out what he wanted to do, he got popped. Martin Luther King Jr was too busy protesting and lobbying...

 

Black folks got a long history of charismatic leaders that just said a bunch of shit and then died and they left nothing behind besides an ideology. 

 

Black people do not have a national project or a tangible,material goal. There's no idea of empire or conquest or development - so of course no leaders will emerge. By all means, most Black people think the Civil Rights Movement succeeded.

 

Point is, leadership rises to the occassion. If Black people want charismatic leaders to rally around, then Black folk need to offer them something - besides racial affiliation. You want Malcolm X, Martin Luther King Jr. and etc then what you have to offer?

 

George Washington, Julius Caesar, Ghengis Khan, Mao, Castro, was offered land by their people. When somebody runs for office they get a cache of benefits.When a company appoints a CEO, the CEO gets stock options. 

 

What is the benefit of being a Black leader? There really ain't none.

 

So until there are some benefits for sticking up for Black folks and etc...nobody is going to put themselves out there like that. Leadership isn't free. Especially Charismatic Leadership. 

 

The 60s won't repeat itself because the 60s brought the idea of revolution and total social change. Now it's 2015 going on 2016...and that shit hasn't happen and the USA is wayyyy more stable than it was in the 60s. Nobody picked up the mantle of Kwame Toure, Malcolm X or Huey P. Newton/Bobby Seale - because there is nothing in it.

 

To be honest, Black males don't give a fuck what happens. Black males are not interested in conquering and taking over shit. Black males just wanna stop being fucked with at this point. That's why we got homosexuals as our leadership base now. They are saying "This is our time to shine."

 

And Black people are like, "Sure go ahead, we'll be here to retweet whatever you want us to retweet."

Most people that have leaders; the leaders don't do a damn thing but lead them straight to the grave. Leaders don't do anything but garner lots of wealth for themselves. Most leaders are millionaires. Folks poor as church mice, eating out of dumpsters and scrapping for water have leaders. Where ISIS's is blowing up stuff, decapitating folks,  those countries have leaders. Israel has a leader. Palestine has a leader. The 54 (however many) African countries have leaders. Pastors are leaders. Gangbangers have leaders. America's the "Greatest Country in the World", so YT says, there's homelessness, poverty, uneducated, ignorant. Wait until German Trump gets into office, he's going to lead our black "refugee" asses back to the motherland. Leaders are nothing but some mother's son with some fake ass clout. Charlie Manson was a leader, so was that dude that swelled 900 folks up like balloons in Ghana or wherever it was. The leader led them to drink the poison Koolaid in the name of Jesus.  We've been here for 500 years, the main place we get led to is our grave site, chased there with 50 side orders of hatred.

 

Who's mother's son should lead our black asses?  Where do ya want to go? How ya gonna get there? They gonna grease your pockets with lots of money?? 

 

Leader or no leader, we're royally fornicated, all 43 million of us in the "Greatest Country in the White Man's Mind". Donald Trump wants the country that was NEVER his, back.  The Original Natives of North America, are saying, "Do you hears this shit? What's that animal on his head?"

 

He's gonna be a leader.  Somewhere Hitler's laughing his bony decomposed ass off.  Heil!!!

Originally Posted by GoodMan:

 To be honest, Black males don't give a fuck what happens. Black males are not interested in conquering and taking over shit. Black males just wanna stop being fucked with at this point. 

 

When did you become the spokesperson for black males?  What makes you think you can speak for them?

 

And Black people are like, "Sure go ahead, we'll be here to retweet whatever you want us to retweet."

 

 And what makes you think you can speak for "black people"?

This is typical white man 'language' [always thinking they're in a position to speak for everybody ]

 

In the year 2015, in the age of advanced technology, I-phones, computers, the world wide web, social media and podcasts (etc.), what African Americans [and the ENTIRE Black Race Globally] need is UNITY, first and foremost, if not instead of a "Leader".

 

African Americans and the ENTIRE Black Race has got to somehow use the internet and social media come together under one or a few specific umbrellas, i.e., by community, by city, by state, by region, by country, by continent, and globally.   

Originally Posted by sunnubian:

In the year 2015, in the age of advanced technology, I-phones, computers, the world wide web, social media and podcasts (etc.), what African Americans [and the ENTIRE Black Race Globally] need is UNITY, first and foremost, if not instead of a "Leader".

 

African Americans and the ENTIRE Black Race has got to somehow use the internet and social media come together under one or a few specific umbrellas, i.e., by community, by city, by state, by region, by country, by continent, and globally.   

This seems like an impossible task--to unite the black race on a global scale….

 

It's been my experience--black people on a global scale have a different mindset, a different cultural view & see African Americans as beneath them or unappreciative of the opportunities available to them in this country (again, in my experience).  

 

I've gotten into heated arguments with some that have crossed my path and I find that they don't get it, they are indifferent to the plight of black Americans.  

 

Of course my personal experience does not a generalization make but I would LOVE to speak to a black person (from another country) with knowledge of African-American history, who understood the dynamics, the infrastructure in this country as it relates to racism, and why African-Americans (in general) feel the way they do about white privilege.

 

It seems like an impossible achievement (to unite the entire black race) due to the many different perspectives, beliefs & goals.

 

I'm not against it (uniting the black race) but I think many more African-Americans will be murdered by the police with impunity, more injustice will follow, the prisons will continue to be filled with black people, the unemployment rate for black Americans will continue to lead other races in this country, illnesses like high blood pressure, heart disease, diabetes, obesity (& other) will kill even more black people before uniting the entire black race ever gets started. 

  ah  my president is OVER the top brilliant.  I will support him to the END of his term. Cuz hummm  I come from the era where BLACK people risked everything and went on the lamb with or WITHOUT a leader.  Hell they had to TALK Martin Luther King into to being the voice for the boycott.  He didn't VOLUNTEER.    Hell Martin came on the scene on the END...black folks been stopped riding the bus before he starting speaking out.  And Malcolm?  Hell...his own muslims brothers were AGAINST him including Farrahan and let's not Godlike Elijah.  This is why I say unity is definitely gone in our community.  We wanna talk all this bullshyte about my president but the bottom line?  We have no unity especially and exclusively when we throw OUR  OWN under the bus.  And as a result of that?  We have young people who have no respect, no integrity, no dignity, no pride no commitment for the black cause...it's just a trend to them.  And this trend?  Hasn't STOPPED one bullet.     Not ONE!!!

 

Even in Cali..it's kinda hush hush about the black woman who was recently killed in the alley adjacent to a popular Los Angeles mall.  The news won't even discuss it.  Why?  We know why?  Cuz we;ve already had TWO devastating riots...one in the 60s and one in the 90 with Rodney King.  Cali and New York are like twins.  The minute Cali goes off on a protest...throughout Cali i.e. San Francisco and on to New York it would ignite another riot raging into a civil war against the po po in BOTH states.  And they don't want that.  So.  Hey let's blame it on Obama.    

 

And you know black people are like children anyway...they need someone to guide them...lead them.  They don't have MINDS of their own.  Proof?  All those dollars these black ball players and celebrities have....not one of 'em think even to be the voice for their people...the same ones who set the stage for them to make those dollars.  Hey careful careful don't say it too loud or they'll be fighting and killin each other again.

 

How soon we forget.  Oh but no.  Blame that on Obama too.  I'm kinda old so I've been around a few presidencies.  I haven't seen ONE...not one  to fall on the blade for the PEOPLE....not one.  Not even Kennedy.  And he was assassinated before he could even implement the civil rights law. So Johnson had to relucently carry that torch for him but only for ONE term.  Is anybody blaming them?  That would be a helllllllllllllllllll no. And even Lincoln who kinda leaned on the blame....he was assassinated too.  So did anyone blame him for Jim Crow and segregation?  That would be another hellllllllllllllll no.  

 

My point? We got ENOUGH Black dead bodies...don't need to add my president to 'em  and that'll happen especially with these trigger happy white monsters.  And black folks REALLY need to look in the mirror and figure out how they are going to mitigate all the negative goings on in their community:  black on black crime, police brutality, drug slinging, illiteracy, and dis-unity of a culture that managed to build one of the most powerful countries in the world...except that they do not have what it takes to rebuild the neighborhoods in which they live.  Go figure.  And in alladat?  From what I have seen over the years with the Black experience and the Black journey...I can say without STUTTERING and NO SHAME....I am PROUD of my President!!!!  He is no messiah[don't believe in Jesus no way]....he is no super hero[I know they don't exist]...he has taken the torch of black brilliance and is doing the best he can in the mayhem of national and international oppositions he walked into...making  him a what?  HUMAN BEING.  And that's the only criteria needed in my book to be an OVER THE TOP brilliant President.     But!  

Originally Posted by Fabulous:
Originally Posted by GoodMan:

 To be honest, Black males don't give a fuck what happens. Black males are not interested in conquering and taking over shit. Black males just wanna stop being fucked with at this point. 

 

When did you become the spokesperson for black males?  What makes you think you can speak for them?

 

And Black people are like, "Sure go ahead, we'll be here to retweet whatever you want us to retweet."

 

 And what makes you think you can speak for "black people"?

This is typical white man 'language' [always thinking they're in a position to speak for everybody ]

 

Who made you the spokesperson for White males, how do you know what White male language is...

 

And it's true...

 

The BLM's movement is a movement created by Black LGBT persons. The two Black women that started it are gay. The spokesperson for BLM is gay. The ideology specifically  Black LGBT and Black female population. t even addresses that for the most part, Black leadership has been laid by men. 

 

Where are the straight Black men at in BLM? Shaun King?

 

BLM plans to get rid of the image of the Black man as Black Power leader and make it for everybody - which I don't have a problem with. 

 

 

Theses are facts.

 

When the last time gay Black people been the center of anything? - Besides the Harlem Renaissance.

 

Black leadership used to be mostly male and straight. Now it's female and gay. Most of the societal leaders in our society is female. Most of us are raised by females. Black females are doing way better than Black males.

 

Black society is very effeminate. It's not masculine. Most of our masculinity comes from rappers and athletes...people raised by women.

 

So what makes you think or any Black person, even a male that looks at the situation objectively to not hurt his ego - really think Black males are really desirous to be at the top of the pyramid of American society or even Black society...when it's lead by women and now LGBT people. 

 

Obama and rappers and athletes?

 

Originally Posted by Momentum:
Originally Posted by DennisKalita:
Originally Posted by Momentum:

"The consequence is that Obama may well keep on sucking the oxygen out of the system of Black leadership for years to come — not by design, but by circumstanceBoth Black and white America will look to him for leadership on race before they look to anyone elseWhich means anyone else will be a distant second-best."

 

I don't agree with that, BLM is proving there is a lot pent up energy and anger in the black community and there is a lot of unrest and disenchantment with young blacks who do not have the same affection for Obama than the older black generations have for him who lived the history to contrast the chances of a black man being elected as President of the United States.

 

Young blacks will continue to assert themselves and become more radical if they sense they are being ignored and demand respect from mainstream media and will have more respect and exposure in the social media world where most young people get their information and inspirations. The old guard have already proven to be unable and unwilling to make a difference in the well being of the black community for us to be in the state we are in today. The sad part blacks have lost ground with a black president for eight years. 

 

Obama do not have a good track record and spoken very quietly regarding important black issues. I doubt he would do anything to disappoint the white establishment that is due to pay him post presidency 10's maybe a couple 100 million, they could break their contract with him for services already rendered to them, he will do nothing to jeopardize his huge payday. 

 

He will maintain No Drama Obama persona regarding black issues, hand shake deals he made with Wall Street are not binding.    

Dude, no one knows it all. Be careful about absolutely projecting what proven master-tactician Obama will do when he leaves office.  He and Michelle have stated that their post-WH lives will be about helping AAs get justice. Despite what FOX News and scoffers like you say, they may be serious about what they say. Why imply that they're liars?

LOL, he is the gaddam president now he have the power to do something NOW.

I will absolutely say what he is going to do, he aint going to do shit but line his pockets with that white establishment MONEY, 29 trillion to Wall Street, black folks ZIP! He'll have a few condescending words for black folks that we need to be better fathers, words to a graduating class of Morehouse young black men.

 

According to how we judge other ESTABLISHMENT presidents he was AWESOME!

 

I will never be a idol worshiper!

I get the anger and why you want to say he and Michelle are liars. This has got nothing to do with idol worship.  Agreed, for ex., POTUS could do much more with executive actions. It is also about understanding power tactics - unless you think a black man should not be POTUS because it involves playing the big power game?   Being POTUS is about power. To get this office, requires playing inside the power game structure where money is always part of the power move.  That is how it works. Obama is not a “token” as someone else here posted. Nobody was looking for a token. That is absurd.  The problem is that some black folks can’t grasp that unimaginable Obama got the job twice because he is a genius in this area. He did it!  He was not passively backed by rich folks. I think you posted that one time. No, he had the active vision. That is not how he became POTUS! He positioned himself! The point is there’s something yet to learn about how this black man independently managed to become POTUS! IMHO, of course! 

Originally Posted by Fabulous:
 

This seems like an impossible task--to unite the black race on a global scale….

 

It's been my experience--black people on a global scale have a different mindset, a different cultural view & see African Americans as beneath them or unappreciative of the opportunities available to them in this country (again, in my experience).  

 

I've gotten into heated arguments with some that have crossed my path and I find that they don't get it, they are indifferent to the plight of black Americans.  

 

Of course my personal experience does not a generalization make but I would LOVE to speak to a black person (from another country) with knowledge of African-American history, who understood the dynamics, the infrastructure in this country as it relates to racism, and why African-Americans (in general) feel the way they do about white privilege.

 

It seems like an impossible achievement (to unite the entire black race) due to the many different perspectives, beliefs & goals.

 

I'm not against it (uniting the black race) but I think many more African-Americans will be murdered by the police with impunity, more injustice will follow, the prisons will continue to be filled with black people, the unemployment rate for black Americans will continue to lead other races in this country, illnesses like high blood pressure, heart disease, diabetes, obesity (& other) will kill even more black people before uniting the entire black race ever gets started. 

 

 

I know that it will take far more to Unite the entire Black race, if that can ever even happen now, after the entire Black race has been psychologically and spiritually split, stratified and divided among the White race and other non-Black races of people across the globe, but, Black people UNITING where they are, under specific banners/umbrellas, like Self-Defense and Self Determination, would at least be a start.  

Originally Posted by GoodMan:
Originally Posted by Fabulous:
Originally Posted by GoodMan:

 To be honest, Black males don't give a fuck what happens. Black males are not interested in conquering and taking over shit. Black males just wanna stop being fucked with at this point. 

 

When did you become the spokesperson for black males?  What makes you think you can speak for them?

 

And Black people are like, "Sure go ahead, we'll be here to retweet whatever you want us to retweet."

 

 And what makes you think you can speak for "black people"?

This is typical white man 'language' [always thinking they're in a position to speak for everybody ]

 

Who made you the spokesperson for White males, how do you know what White male language is...

 

And it's true...

 

The BLM's movement is a movement created by Black LGBT persons. The two Black women that started it are gay. The spokesperson for BLM is gay. The ideology specifically  Black LGBT and Black female population. t even addresses that for the most part, Black leadership has been laid by men. 

 

Where are the straight Black men at in BLM? Shaun King?

 

BLM plans to get rid of the image of the Black man as Black Power leader and make it for everybody - which I don't have a problem with. 

 

 

Theses are facts.

 

When the last time gay Black people been the center of anything? - Besides the Harlem Renaissance.

 

Black leadership used to be mostly male and straight. Now it's female and gay. Most of the societal leaders in our society is female. Most of us are raised by females. Black females are doing way better than Black males.

 

Black society is very effeminate. It's not masculine. Most of our masculinity comes from rappers and athletes...people raised by women.

 

So what makes you think or any Black person, even a male that looks at the situation objectively to not hurt his ego - really think Black males are really desirous to be at the top of the pyramid of American society or even Black society...when it's lead by women and now LGBT people. 

 

Obama and rappers and athletes?

 

BLM is not centrally controlled just because a few women started it does not mean they solely control it, BLM is decentralized and it makes no difference what these women sexual preference are, the fact is they are focused on the excessive policing of blacks and police violence against blacks. LGBT issues are not the center of their concerns. 

 

And btw there are men behind the scenes of BLM, women are out front because it bad optics for police to beat down women, its a smart tactical move.

 

Men around the world are having to shed more macho attitudes as women insist on equality and as people become more secular and agnostic, religion has a lot to do with paternal attitudes in men.

Originally Posted by Momentum:
 

BLM is not centrally controlled just because a few women started it does not mean they solely control it, BLM is decentralized and it makes no difference what these women sexual preference are, the fact is they are focused on the excessive policing of blacks and police violence against blacks. LGBT issues are not the center of their concerns. 

 

And btw there are men behind the scenes of BLM, women are out front because it bad optics for police to beat down women, its a smart tactical move.

 

Men around the world are having to shed more macho attitudes as women insist on equality and as people become more secular and agnostic, religion has a lot to do with paternal attitudes in men.

 

Men around the world are not shedding macho attitudes. No man is interested in taking backseat in society to make room for everybody. 

 

This is the type of attitude I am talking about in regards to Black males. Black males are so used to seeing women taking care of everything, that they feel as if it is the way things should be.

 

No society is just led by women. 

 

BLM is not about stopping police brutality. LGBT and feminist issues are the center of their concern because they recognized that LGBT and women never were the center of Black politics - Black politics mostly concerned itself with economic and political issues and it was lead by charismatic men.

 

BLM is about a paradigm of what Black society should look like and be like and ultimately who should run it. Even the language that is used comes from feminism. 

 

Also it is important to note, that the founders of BLM were feminists and LGBT activists first. 

 

And they state this...

 

http://blacklivesmatter.com/about/

It goes beyond the narrow nationalism that can be prevalent within Black communities, which merely call on Black people to love Black, live Black and buy Black, keeping straight cis Black men in the front of the movement while our sisters, queer and trans and disabled folk take up roles in the background or not at all. Black Lives Matter affirms the lives of Black queer and trans folks, disabled folks, black-undocumented folks, folks with records, women and all Black lives along the gender spectrum.  It centers those that have been marginalized within Black liberation movements.  It is a tactic to (re)build the Black liberation movement.

 

 

And you look at it, straight Black men are left out ON PURPOSE. Black men are listed as prisoners or victims of police brutality or the group that excluded everyone in previous Black movement - NOT PEOPLE. Not people that need jobs or need education or need mental rehabilitation or need medical attention. Either we are victims or perpetrators of discrimination.

 

Where is the straight Black Male's place going forward...

 

Men move others out the way and make their own place in the world. Black women and LGBT people ain't gonna make a place for us once if they reogranize Black society to the way they want it. 

 

Black men are going along with it and not questioning what BLM wants to do. BLM is using police brutality as a way in. It's a talking point. It's not something that it really concerns with itself with like that. 

 

Look for yourself about what BLM really concerns itself with.

 

 

http://blacklivesmatter.com/state-of-the-black-union/

  • The median wealth for single White women is $42,600. For Black women, it’s $5.001.
  • The infant mortality rate for Black mothers is more than double that of White mothers, due to factors like poverty, lack of access to health care, and the physiological effects of stress caused by living under structural oppression 2.
  • The life expectancy of a Black trans woman is 35 years.  The average income of a Black trans person is less than 10K.   Trans people are denied jobs, housing and healthcare just for living in their truths.
  • In our country 1 in 3 black men will be incarcerated in his lifetime 5, and Black women are the fastest growing prison population 6.

 And that is the only time they mentioned Black men by the way. The rest of it is Black women, Black trans-women, Black children.

 

Black women are infront of it because they MADE IT. It's not about it looks better...they made the manifesto, they made the programs, and it is theirs. And they make sure people know who started it. They make sure they know they are LGBT. They are not hiding. 

 

It is not as decentralized as people say it is, this is not Occupy Wallstreet, where there is just a bunch of silly people in the middle of NYC, doing nothing. Calling it a decentralized movement is meant to discredit them. It is more like a network.

 

It is not a protest movement..it is a Black Liberation Movement - with Black men being treated as victims and discriminators led by Women and LGBT people...

 

Which is a problem - straight Black males are already on the outside looking in. There isn't a place for us - anywhere. Either we are in prison, the ghetto or on a football field or basketball court or a ring or a stage.

 

Originally Posted by GoodMan:
Originally Posted by Fabulous:
Originally Posted by GoodMan:

 To be honest, Black males don't give a fuck what happens. Black males are not interested in conquering and taking over shit. Black males just wanna stop being fucked with at this point. 

 

When did you become the spokesperson for black males?  What makes you think you can speak for them?

 

And Black people are like, "Sure go ahead, we'll be here to retweet whatever you want us to retweet."

 

 And what makes you think you can speak for "black people"?

This is typical white man 'language' [always thinking they're in a position to speak for everybody ]

 

Who made you the spokesperson for White males, how do you know what White male language is...

 

Unlike you (as you often write in negative generalizations in connection to black men & black people), I'm not claiming to speak for white males, I'm claiming to have observed the language of racist white men who typically use the same hate-filled verbiage, and this typical racist white man 'speak' can be found all over message boards and blogs.  

 

It never fails, white people are quick to get offended by racial observations  that's a pretty common opinion based on engaging in conversations with, well, white people (on the regular). 

 

And it's true...

 

Whatevah.

 

You should run for president or something because you seem to have all the answers for everybody.

 

Not to mention your tendency to speak for groups of people (negatively) that you may or may not know. 

 

Typical.

Originally Posted by GoodMan:
Originally Posted by Fabulous:
Originally Posted by GoodMan:

 To be honest, Black males don't give a fuck what happens. Black males are not interested in conquering and taking over shit. Black males just wanna stop being fucked with at this point. 

 

When did you become the spokesperson for black males?  What makes you think you can speak for them?

 

And Black people are like, "Sure go ahead, we'll be here to retweet whatever you want us to retweet."

 

 And what makes you think you can speak for "black people"?

This is typical white man 'language' [always thinking they're in a position to speak for everybody ]

 

Who made you the spokesperson for White males, how do you know what White male language is...

 

And it's true...

 

The BLM's movement is a movement created by Black LGBT persons. The two Black women that started it are gay. The spokesperson for BLM is gay. The ideology specifically  Black LGBT and Black female population. t even addresses that for the most part, Black leadership has been laid by men. 

 

Where are the straight Black men at in BLM? Shaun King?

 

BLM plans to get rid of the image of the Black man as Black Power leader and make it for everybody - which I don't have a problem with. 

 

 

Theses are facts.

 

When the last time gay Black people been the center of anything? - Besides the Harlem Renaissance.

 

Black leadership used to be mostly male and straight. Now it's female and gay. Most of the societal leaders in our society is female. Most of us are raised by females. Black females are doing way better than Black males.

 

Black society is very effeminate. It's not masculine. Most of our masculinity comes from rappers and athletes...people raised by women.

 

So what makes you think or any Black person, even a male that looks at the situation objectively to not hurt his ego - really think Black males are really desirous to be at the top of the pyramid of American society or even Black society...when it's lead by women and now LGBT people. 

 

Obama and rappers and athletes?

 

EVERY WORD we say is invested with meaning. We may not even realize, for example, the extent of our unconsciousness.  We can only speak our whole mind - conscious and unconscious - every time we speak. We always telegraph everything about ourselves. Some may notice. I sometimes see it in others. I am certain that some people see me as unconscious. That's common enough. We all are.  You alone know about that special awareness that you seem to have and in which you warily believe. No one really gets anybody, right?  But do you get… you? (It’s a journey!)

 

You say you like the role of being bad.  Cool enough. Another level. A human one.

 

You wrote:

 

"So what makes you think or any Black person, even a male that looks at the situation objectively to not hurt his ego - really think Black males are really desirous to be at the top of the pyramid of American society or even Black society...when it's lead by women and now LGBT people. 

 

I want to to humbly say one thing: Let your voice move from wise-ass passive into a full and active voice. Think about it, man, dare it.  You’re the quarterback, you’re the man.

Originally Posted by Fabulous:
Originally Posted by GoodMan:
Originally Posted by Fabulous:
Originally Posted by GoodMan:

 To be honest, Black males don't give a fuck what happens. Black males are not interested in conquering and taking over shit. Black males just wanna stop being fucked with at this point. 

 

When did you become the spokesperson for black males?  What makes you think you can speak for them?

 

And Black people are like, "Sure go ahead, we'll be here to retweet whatever you want us to retweet."

 

 And what makes you think you can speak for "black people"?

This is typical white man 'language' [always thinking they're in a position to speak for everybody ]

 

Who made you the spokesperson for White males, how do you know what White male language is...

 

Unlike you (as you often write in negative generalizations in connection to black men & black people), I'm not claiming to speak for white males, I'm claiming to have observed the language of racist white men who typically use the same hate-filled verbiage, and this typical racist white man 'speak' can be found all over message boards and blogs.  

 

It never fails, white people are quick to get offended by racial observations  that's a pretty common opinion based on engaging in conversations with, well, white people (on the regular). 

 

And it's true...

 

Whatevah.

 

You should run for president or something because you seem to have all the answers for everybody.

 

Not to mention your tendency to speak for groups of people (negatively) that you may or may not know. 

 

Typical.

So you speak for me, that you do not know...an individual and you make an observation on me - calling me a White male - multiple times...because you KNOW White male language - like White men have a language or manner of speaking that is common to them...

 

So you generalized White males equate me to being a White male and you do not KNOW me...

 

Typical. I am not even gonna bother pointing out the logic of what you said - it probably went over your head or you just have no problem with being a hypocrite.

 

 

I don't write in negative connotations, I write in realistic terms. I don't sugarcoat shit or try to explain it away or go on a racial ego trip.

 

 I don't put a value or a moral on what I say because there is no point - there is no feelings involved - either you live or you die either you are barely surviving or you are thriving - these are either/or propositions. Why I am going to put feelings involved, shit happens, it is what it is.

 

 

I don't know why people put their feelings and emotions involved in political discussion. There is nothing to feel. It is not a relationship. There is data and facts. That's how politicians to legislators to constituents propose legislation.

 

I can go on any street corner in the USA, in the Black part of town and see Black men, doing absolutely nothing. They are just there. Young Black males are one of the most unemployed population. 70 percent of Black mothers are single mothers. College educated Black women marry down - what group of women consistently marry fucking down.  Black males are the most imprisoned population on Earth.

 

These are facts and it is observable. You can go look for yourself. 

 

Black men as whole, we have no societal function. We are not employable. We ain't husbands. We are not providers. We are out of the house fathers. We die every minute. We are the face of every single crime in the USA - from robbery to domestic violence.

 

Now we have a Black political movement that is inherently against us as leaders of Black society...

 

This isn't a moral judgement, this is just what it is. Instead of getting offended or whatever Black people do when they hear shit they don't wanna hear.

 

You should

 

1. Look it up for yourself

2. Say I am wrong/right

3. Wonder how you can fix it 

 

I don't propose solutions or give people answers. I don't want to be the leader of Black people - because like I said - there is nothing in it. You get killed - you get sick - you get kicked out the country - your family goes poor - black people go back to doing whatever they were doing before you got there - because Black people do not have a direction or purpose for being and Black people damn sure ain't trying to find one.

 

 

And I hate the USA, why would I want to president? 

 

I know what I want to do. I know what people like me want to do. That's all that matters to me.

 

 

 

 

 

Originally Posted by DennisKalita:
 

 

EVERY WORD we say is invested with meaning. We may not even realize, for example, the extent of our unconsciousness.  We can only speak our whole mind - conscious and unconscious - every time we speak. We always telegraph everything about ourselves. Some may notice. I sometimes see it in others. I am certain that some people see me as unconscious. That's common enough. We all are.  You alone know about that special awareness that you seem to have and in which you warily believe. No one really gets anybody, right?  But do you get… you? (It’s a journey!)

 

You say you like the role of being bad.  Cool enough. Another level. A human one.

 

You wrote:

 

"So what makes you think or any Black person, even a male that looks at the situation objectively to not hurt his ego - really think Black males are really desirous to be at the top of the pyramid of American society or even Black society...when it's lead by women and now LGBT people. 

 

I want to to humbly say one thing: Let your voice move from wise-ass passive into a full and active voice. Think about it, man, dare it.  You’re the quarterback, you’re the man.

 

It's not that...

 

It's just you see other young brothers out here, they ain't doing nothing. 

 

Black women doing shit...Black gays doing shit...

 

You don't see Black men in groups doing something. 

 

Shit is desperate for Black males and I don't think Black males have the resolve anymore. A lot of them angry and know they are being pushed out on to the margins. There's no coming back from being on the outside.

 

My life is perfectly fine, I can continue do what I am doing, get nice a job - making a decent amount of money, have a wife and kid and die at 77.

 

My concern is with the bottom 50 percent of Black males that don't have a nice packaged life outcome. The ones that stand on the corner all day. Or in prison. Or put in special ed. Or homeless. 

 

When you are Black male, soon as your born, you get stripped of any kind of ambition because the world is against you and you are in competition with your brothers for a little tiny bit of the pie. 

 

Nobody cares about you because you are the boogeyman of society that is responsible for misogyny to street crime to fatherless children to homophobia or whatever bad is going on in the USA. Only time people care is when we are getting shot down by police...then they care...but they only care about that. They don't care about the other 25 or 30 years of your life, when you were struggling. 

 

Well now they care the about the fact that we get locked up at the age of 17  for 25 years for a dime bag of crack. 

Originally Posted by GoodMan:
Originally Posted by DennisKalita:
 

 

EVERY WORD we say is invested with meaning. We may not even realize, for example, the extent of our unconsciousness.  We can only speak our whole mind - conscious and unconscious - every time we speak. We always telegraph everything about ourselves. Some may notice. I sometimes see it in others. I am certain that some people see me as unconscious. That's common enough. We all are.  You alone know about that special awareness that you seem to have and in which you warily believe. No one really gets anybody, right?  But do you get… you? (It’s a journey!)

 

You say you like the role of being bad.  Cool enough. Another level. A human one.

 

You wrote:

 

"So what makes you think or any Black person, even a male that looks at the situation objectively to not hurt his ego - really think Black males are really desirous to be at the top of the pyramid of American society or even Black society...when it's lead by women and now LGBT people. 

 

I want to to humbly say one thing: Let your voice move from wise-ass passive into a full and active voice. Think about it, man, dare it.  You’re the quarterback, you’re the man.

 

It's not that...

 

It's just you see other young brothers out here, they ain't doing nothing. 

 

Black women doing shit...Black gays doing shit...

 

You don't see Black men in groups doing something. 

 

Shit is desperate for Black males and I don't think Black males have the resolve anymore. A lot of them angry and know they are being pushed out on to the margins. There's no coming back from being on the outside.

 

My life is perfectly fine, I can continue do what I am doing, get nice a job - making a decent amount of money, have a wife and kid and die at 77.

 

My concern is with the bottom 50 percent of Black males that don't have a nice packaged life outcome. The ones that stand on the corner all day. Or in prison. Or put in special ed. Or homeless. 

 

When you are Black male, soon as your born, you get stripped of any kind of ambition because the world is against you and you are in competition with your brothers for a little tiny bit of the pie. 

 

Nobody cares about you because you are the boogeyman of society that is responsible for misogyny to street crime to fatherless children to homophobia or whatever bad is going on in the USA. Only time people care is when we are getting shot down by police...then they care...but they only care about that. They don't care about the other 25 or 30 years of your life, when you were struggling. 

 

Well now they care the about the fact that we get locked up at the age of 17  for 25 years for a dime bag of crack. 

too true

 

Originally Posted by GoodMan:
Originally Posted by Momentum:
 

BLM is not centrally controlled just because a few women started it does not mean they solely control it, BLM is decentralized and it makes no difference what these women sexual preference are, the fact is they are focused on the excessive policing of blacks and police violence against blacks. LGBT issues are not the center of their concerns. 

 

And btw there are men behind the scenes of BLM, women are out front because it bad optics for police to beat down women, its a smart tactical move.

 

Men around the world are having to shed more macho attitudes as women insist on equality and as people become more secular and agnostic, religion has a lot to do with paternal attitudes in men.

 

Men around the world are not shedding macho attitudes. No man is interested in taking backseat in society to make room for everybody. 

 

This is the type of attitude I am talking about in regards to Black males. Black males are so used to seeing women taking care of everything, that they feel as if it is the way things should be.

 

No society is just led by women. 

 

BLM is not about stopping police brutality. LGBT and feminist issues are the center of their concern because they recognized that LGBT and women never were the center of Black politics - Black politics mostly concerned itself with economic and political issues and it was lead by charismatic men.

 

BLM is about a paradigm of what Black society should look like and be like and ultimately who should run it. Even the language that is used comes from feminism. 

 

Also it is important to note, that the founders of BLM were feminists and LGBT activists first. 

 

And they state this...

 

http://blacklivesmatter.com/about/

It goes beyond the narrow nationalism that can be prevalent within Black communities, which merely call on Black people to love Black, live Black and buy Black, keeping straight cis Black men in the front of the movement while our sisters, queer and trans and disabled folk take up roles in the background or not at all. Black Lives Matter affirms the lives of Black queer and trans folks, disabled folks, black-undocumented folks, folks with records, women and all Black lives along the gender spectrum.  It centers those that have been marginalized within Black liberation movements.  It is a tactic to (re)build the Black liberation movement.

 

 

And you look at it, straight Black men are left out ON PURPOSE. Black men are listed as prisoners or victims of police brutality or the group that excluded everyone in previous Black movement - NOT PEOPLE. Not people that need jobs or need education or need mental rehabilitation or need medical attention. Either we are victims or perpetrators of discrimination.

 

Where is the straight Black Male's place going forward...

 

Men move others out the way and make their own place in the world. Black women and LGBT people ain't gonna make a place for us once if they reogranize Black society to the way they want it. 

 

Black men are going along with it and not questioning what BLM wants to do. BLM is using police brutality as a way in. It's a talking point. It's not something that it really concerns with itself with like that. 

 

Look for yourself about what BLM really concerns itself with.

 

 

http://blacklivesmatter.com/state-of-the-black-union/

  • The median wealth for single White women is $42,600. For Black women, it’s $5.001.
  • The infant mortality rate for Black mothers is more than double that of White mothers, due to factors like poverty, lack of access to health care, and the physiological effects of stress caused by living under structural oppression 2.
  • The life expectancy of a Black trans woman is 35 years.  The average income of a Black trans person is less than 10K.   Trans people are denied jobs, housing and healthcare just for living in their truths.
  • In our country 1 in 3 black men will be incarcerated in his lifetime 5, and Black women are the fastest growing prison population 6.

 And that is the only time they mentioned Black men by the way. The rest of it is Black women, Black trans-women, Black children.

 

Black women are infront of it because they MADE IT. It's not about it looks better...they made the manifesto, they made the programs, and it is theirs. And they make sure people know who started it. They make sure they know they are LGBT. They are not hiding. 

 

It is not as decentralized as people say it is, this is not Occupy Wallstreet, where there is just a bunch of silly people in the middle of NYC, doing nothing. Calling it a decentralized movement is meant to discredit them. It is more like a network.

 

It is not a protest movement..it is a Black Liberation Movement - with Black men being treated as victims and discriminators led by Women and LGBT people...

 

Which is a problem - straight Black males are already on the outside looking in. There isn't a place for us - anywhere. Either we are in prison, the ghetto or on a football field or basketball court or a ring or a stage.

 

Women have made a lot of progress since I been walking this Earth if you had an idea how far back women were. Men in general have change a lot too if you knew where we were in respect to women. Men have step back some on the macho stuff to allow women more latitude, particular in economically developed countries. I would bet every single lady would agree with me. 

 

The white establishment is controlled by white males therefore the establishment is biased against competition, any other male that is not white, putting black males as the primary target to discriminate against. This is where black leadership have failed the black community , pursuing mainstream social assimilation, instead of pursuing our own. 

 

Systemic racism have been very effective against black men but the most effective agent against black males was social, when so many black males did not press themselves in school and skills, being macho, being cool to fill a need to FEEL important chasing instant gratification. I think as a culture black people lacked satisfaction since we have been here and the 70's became a time of instant gratification and opportunity, a time to FEEL important, fronting importance not authentically having it. And today it is still a big flaw young people not investing in themselves through education, developing skills, pursuing excellence and betting on delayed gratification. 

 

The 70's was a time of feeling more free than ever, a time to relax, to party, to feel proud, enjoying the benefits of the civil rights decade of the 60's.

 

It was a time we were fooled too, thinking we were going to be a part of the mainstream social culture but the white establishment was using this time to adjust to the new civil rights laws and new competition of blacks in the work place via affirmative action. It only took less than a decade before blacks began to see how the white establishment would adjust systematic racism, Nixon announcing a war on drugs, Reagan ushering in Trickle Down Economics, Free Trade agreements, demonizing, vilifying black people using Southern Strategy politics. 

 

The 70's was our decade to focus on building and maintaining our own but we were diverted toward assimilation, it was the decade of failure by black leadership as the years passed more pressure against black males increased to the point many black men internalized the contempt the white establishment wage against black men, racial profiling, social discrimination to the point many black males felt disenfranchised and disconnected from mainstream pursuits. 

 

I have to say, the 70's, 80's was our window, many of us know what happened without going into much detail.  I do think this new generation can sense what happened and will take a different attitude going forward. 

 

 

 

 

Originally Posted by DennisKalita:
Originally Posted by Momentum:
Originally Posted by DennisKalita:
Originally Posted by Momentum:

"The consequence is that Obama may well keep on sucking the oxygen out of the system of Black leadership for years to come — not by design, but by circumstanceBoth Black and white America will look to him for leadership on race before they look to anyone elseWhich means anyone else will be a distant second-best."

 

I don't agree with that, BLM is proving there is a lot pent up energy and anger in the black community and there is a lot of unrest and disenchantment with young blacks who do not have the same affection for Obama than the older black generations have for him who lived the history to contrast the chances of a black man being elected as President of the United States.

 

Young blacks will continue to assert themselves and become more radical if they sense they are being ignored and demand respect from mainstream media and will have more respect and exposure in the social media world where most young people get their information and inspirations. The old guard have already proven to be unable and unwilling to make a difference in the well being of the black community for us to be in the state we are in today. The sad part blacks have lost ground with a black president for eight years. 

 

Obama do not have a good track record and spoken very quietly regarding important black issues. I doubt he would do anything to disappoint the white establishment that is due to pay him post presidency 10's maybe a couple 100 million, they could break their contract with him for services already rendered to them, he will do nothing to jeopardize his huge payday. 

 

He will maintain No Drama Obama persona regarding black issues, hand shake deals he made with Wall Street are not binding.    

Dude, no one knows it all. Be careful about absolutely projecting what proven master-tactician Obama will do when he leaves office.  He and Michelle have stated that their post-WH lives will be about helping AAs get justice. Despite what FOX News and scoffers like you say, they may be serious about what they say. Why imply that they're liars?

LOL, he is the gaddam president now he have the power to do something NOW.

I will absolutely say what he is going to do, he aint going to do shit but line his pockets with that white establishment MONEY, 29 trillion to Wall Street, black folks ZIP! He'll have a few condescending words for black folks that we need to be better fathers, words to a graduating class of Morehouse young black men.

 

According to how we judge other ESTABLISHMENT presidents he was AWESOME!

 

I will never be a idol worshiper!

I get the anger and why you want to say he and Michelle are liars. This has got nothing to do with idol worship.  Agreed, for ex., POTUS could do much more with executive actions. It is also about understanding power tactics - unless you think a black man should not be POTUS because it involves playing the big power game?   Being POTUS is about power. To get this office, requires playing inside the power game structure where money is always part of the power move.  That is how it works. Obama is not a “token” as someone else here posted. Nobody was looking for a token. That is absurd.  The problem is that some black folks can’t grasp that unimaginable Obama got the job twice because he is a genius in this area. He did it!  He was not passively backed by rich folks. I think you posted that one time. No, he had the active vision. That is not how he became POTUS! He positioned himself! The point is there’s something yet to learn about how this black man independently managed to become POTUS! IMHO, of course! 

Its not about UNDERSTANDING POWER TACTICS its realizing an establishment president will never benefit black people. And there is no such thing as a BENEVOLENT establishment president.

 

I totally agree with you, President Obama certainly did very well for HIMSELF. Great presidents are populace presidents, biased against the establishment, Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, FDR, Truman, Eisenhower, LBJ. 

 

This is why presidential candidates, particularly Democrats, faint to be populace to fool voters looking to vote their best interests but once in office are servants of the establishment. 

 

Now the populace have caught on, listening and checking for authenticity. This is why Bernie Sanders is doing better than Hillary, she have earned her establishment credentials and its hurting her in the polls. 

 

This is why Biden is begging Elizabeth Warren to endorse him and be his VP. 

 

The tactic of sounding populace is not enough, that was used up by President Obama. 

 

 

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