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There has been considerable talk throughout America in opposition to the concept of a Black - Brown, African American and Latino, coalition. Most of the disagreement to the idea seems to be driven by African American feelings that Latinos are somehow not naturally supportive of us and our interests, that they would somehow end up taking advantage of us through an alliance, and that they would "use" us – effectively standing on the shoulders of our hard fought civil rights accomplishments without adequately earning their own American "liberation". Let's deal with all three issues independently.

  • Mexican Americans are not naturally supportive of African Americans and our interests.

    There have been many examples offered in an effort to suggest that Latinos are anti-black. We read that in Los Angeles African Americans are targeted for violence by Latino gangs. We routinely hear about race oriented gang warfare in prisons. Former Mexico president Vicente Fox's comments as well as the product caricatures from Mexico were offensive. All of these are, in fact, disturbing. They indicate that – as in any relationship - real work needs to be done between our communities. That said, however, they say nothing about the ability of our communities to identify common ground on which to work together for mutual benefit.

    Let's cut to the chase: "divide and conquer" is a real and ever-powerful tactic of white supremacy. The existing power structure has an extraordinary (and growing) interest in dividing us - in keeping us focused on petty differences, rather than see us aggregate our power and influence to push for social, economic, and political change in America. Despite differences, Latinos and African Americans are not natural enemies by any stretch of the imagination. In fact, we have far more in common than not. It is critical for us to see this aspect of our reality clearly and capitalize on the potential in our collective efforts to make life better for our families and children.

  • Mexican Americans will end up taking advantage of us through an alliance.

    We need to clearly consider the idea of a Black - Brown coalition for what it is. A coalition or alliance is when two or more groups come together on a particular issue where their combined strength gives each a greater chance at success for all. Some think that aligning will, by definition, weaken us. An alliance is not a marriage - where two people must frequently subordinate their individual interests for the health and welfare of the unit. It is much more like a transaction - where parties do business when and where and how it makes sense. The United States and Russia were allies in World War 2. Was this because the two nations were, somehow, in love with each other? Of course not. They aligned because it was in their interests at that moment to do so. We all know what happened to that relationship after WW2. When it no longer made sense, the two nations went their very separate ways.

    We need to think about the Latino community and a Black - Brown coalition in this type of strategic way. We connect and work together on matters that make sense to both of us. It made sense for the American Jewish community to support the African American community on the issue of civil rights. It didn't make sense to them to support us on the issue of Affirmative Action. That's cool. That's the way alliances work. No hard feelings. There are a variety of issues where a Black-Brown coalition could yield extraordinary benefit to both communities - helping each to create a result that alone it might not be able to secure. That's what alliances are all about and we need to be thoughtful and strategic about how we can 'hook up' with Latinos to make things happen for us.

  • Mexican Americans will use us - stand on the shoulders of our hard fought civil rights accomplishments without adequately earning their own "liberation".

    Personally, I'm proud of the work that the African American community ˜put in' to create a better country for all. Among the myriad of ways that we contribute to the fabric of our nation, I'm happy that civil and voting rights, among others, are in place for all. The fact that others can "stand on our backs" doesn't burden me - it uplifts me and makes me proud!

    The bottom line is that any coalition is only as strong as the common interests that bind the parties together. White Supremacy Inc. would have us believe that Latinos and Blacks should be at each others throats. Why? Because it serves their interests for us to think that way. We can be smarter and more strategic than that to see that there are a number of fundamentally common interests around political and economic and social issues where the combined leverage of our communities in America could be formidable. If African American progress is a real objective, it is our duty to identify the proper tools we need to achieve our objective. For example, Congress recently failed to pass a bill that would have raised the minimum wage. As we all know, there are a disproportionate number of African Americans and Latinos who work at the minimum wage. Think about the marches that occurred all over the country recently in favor of Latino immigration reform. Think of what an African American and Latino March on Washington for Wage Fairness could accomplish? If a couple of million Black and Brown folks converged on the Capitol to express our common interest in this issue - I believe - it would have an extraordinary impact on multiple levels. We would, no doubt, have a higher minimum wage!

    Creating a Black – Brown coalition has the potential to be an extremely powerful way to make things happen for us. We need to think of it as a strategic tool – one that is pulled out when and where it makes sense. No more. No less. It deserves our thoughtful consideration.
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    I think it's a great idea! And a great strategy. I'm sure there are several issues besides minimum wage on which we could benefit from such an alliance.

    I also think there's actually some of that going on ... or is supposed to be, anyway ... as many activist groups and individuals propose such alliances within the Black community. The NAACP comes to mind (though their effectiveness is debatable). They are always including Brown people in their speeches and their fights. They are, indeed, an organization for "colored" people. We saw Sharpton and Jesse out there with the immigration marches, trying to form some kind of bond. Farrakhan has talked about joining with them. So, if you're ready to start advocating for this, you might want to start with some of them and see if they've really got anything going on towards that end.

    However, I think a very important component of any strategic maneuver is to know thy enemy. Where I really could get with us coming together to push for better schools in poor areas there are other considerations, too.


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  • Mexican Americans are not naturally supportive of African Americans and our interests.

    Despite differences, Latinos and African Americans are not natural enemies by any stretch of the imagination. In fact, we have far more in common than not. It is critical for us to see this aspect of our reality clearly and capitalize on the potential in our collective efforts to make life better for our families and children.


  • Let's be real ... just about everybody is our "natural enemy." Black people are the most disliked and least respected people around the entire world. We are looked down by somebody wherever we go. Now, while I'm not saying this is necessarily a deal-breaker, it is REAL! And couple of those other "examples" you list above might not necessarily be of the "look the other way" variety either! Eek The Mexican Mafia telling their locked up members to kill African American males for reasons unknown is definitely a major problem. But to know thy enemy does give you the opportunity to be able to know who you're dealing with. It's just important that we do recognize who we're looking at.

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  • Mexican Americans will use us - stand on the shoulders of our hard fought civil rights accomplishments without adequately earning their own "liberation".

    Personally, I'm proud of the work that the African American community ˜put in' to create a better country for all. Among the myriad of ways that we contribute to the fabric of our nation, I'm happy that civil and voting rights, among others, are in place for all. The fact that others can "stand on our backs" doesn't burden me - it uplifts me and makes me proud!


  • While I agree 100% with your sentiment above, the problem I have with being used is when after standing on our shoulders to achieve their goals, rarely do those people reach back and help us up when we outstretch our hands!! And that's just rude. I don't think it's too much to as that those who use our achievements to uplift themselves at least show enough respect to show that they understand what it was we went through to get through to that point. Simply saying, "We like Dr. King" is nice, but is it really enough?

    Then again, I guess what you could be proposing is a "use-use" proposition, where we use our methods and their numbers and growing political clout to get what we both want. Eek Well, either way, I'm all in favor of using any productive tools to get us want we want. And I wouldn't have a problem at all with a strategic Black-Brown alliance being one of them!

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    Creating a Black – Brown coalition has the potential to be an extremely powerful way to make things happen for us. We need to think of it as a strategic tool – one that is pulled out when and where it makes sense. No more. No less. It deserves our thoughtful consideration.


    tfro
    Yep another classic example of co-dependency; one day African-America will wake up to discover that the best allies we have are OURSELVES. "Others" have no experience or can relate to our trials and tribulations within the history of this country, their motto is "get the money and run" and if A.A.'s can assist them toward achieving their goal even faster then so be it. We are such ass-kissers for others except for ourselves and by the way was ther not a previous thread on this issue?
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    We are such ass-kissers for others except for ourselves and by the way was ther not a previous thread on this issue?


    I prefer to think of us as "compassionate" Big Grin

    We've never asked for superiority ... merely equality. All things being equal, we would assume that when we scratch someone else's back, they would return the favor by scratching ours. I'm not sure whether or not that has ever happened for us, though. Or if it ever will (again).

    But, I have a feeling it won't stop us from doing so. We didn't get this far by being submissive ... or by exhibiting hate and evil. Our strength and perserverance has always been toward fairness. Of course that means we get run over from time to time. And I would like to think that we will one day learn how to avoid that. But history has shown that we know how to get up, dust ourselves off, take the knives out of our backs, heal the wound, and move forward.

    I guess that is the burden of our greatness. Smile
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    Yep another classic example of co-dependency; one day African-America will wake up to discover that the best allies we have are OURSELVES. "Others" have no experience or can relate to our trials and tribulations within the history of this country, their motto is "get the money and run" and if A.A.'s can assist them toward achieving their goal even faster then so be it. We are such ass-kissers for others except for ourselves and by the way was ther not a previous thread on this issue?


    The world is an interdependent place. Living in a state of xenophobic paranoia is a tragic and self-defeating form of cultural and racial neurosis. It's crazy!

    Beyond that, who does this line of thinking benefit most? Yep - White Supremacy Inc. It wants us to be as isolated and paranoid as we can be. It wants us to live in our own little hole all by ourselves. It realizes that there are far more black and brown people around the world than there are white and it must do whatever possible - by any means necessary - to prevent us from aggregating our power against it.

    That our "trials and tribulations" are unique is absolutely irrelevant to the fact that there are others in our country who share similar interests, with whom we can partner to increase the chance that we each succeed. Your words display an extraordinary lack of confidence in your own people.

    Have a little faith. Have a little confidence. Think strategically. tfro
    I feel that any Coalition is good that has mutual benifits for all parties. What I have a problem with is black people who believe simply because Latinos are a minority in this country doesmt mean they have the same intrest we do. Asians are minorities two, but no one talks about forming black and Asian Alliances, why is that? Im sure ive mentioned this before, if anyone took the time to actually study the culture of most Central and South American Countries, the level of racism and brutality perpetrated by Latinos against their Africa Latino countrymen is in many ways worst than These white people treat blacks in the US. I feel there is a lot of Global learning African people need to do and understand where they are in this Global landscape. With that being said, any rights that are guaranteed to every human being or every citizen , such as voting rights, health care, education etc, im down with working with anyone on these issues. Black White ,Asian, Latino, whatever, but we as African people should never loose perspective in our own drive for self determination and understand that in many cases our cause for self determination and liberation with contradict many of the alliances formed for other reasons.
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    What I have a problem with is black people who believe simply because Latinos are a minority in this country doesmt mean they have the same intrest we do. Asians are minorities two, but no one talks about forming black and Asian Alliances, why is that? Im sure ive mentioned this before, if anyone took the time to actually study the culture of most Central and South American Countries, the level of racism and brutality perpetrated by Latinos against their Africa Latino countrymen is in many ways worst than These white people treat blacks in the US. I feel there is a lot of Global learning African people need to do and understand where they are in this Global landscape. With that being said, any rights that are guaranteed to every human being or every citizen , such as voting rights, health care, education etc, im down with working with anyone on these issues. Black White ,Asian, Latino, whatever, but we as African people should never loose perspective in our own drive for self determination and understand that in many cases our cause for self determination and liberation with contradict many of the alliances formed for other reasons.




    My sentiments exactly!!!!!!
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    Originally posted by ZAKAR:
    I feel that any Coalition is good that has mutual benifits for all parties. What I have a problem with is black people who believe simply because Latinos are a minority in this country doesmt mean they have the same intrest we do. Asians are minorities two, but no one talks about forming black and Asian Alliances, why is that? Im sure ive mentioned this before, if anyone took the time to actually study the culture of most Central and South American Countries, the level of racism and brutality perpetrated by Latinos against their Africa Latino countrymen is in many ways worst than These white people treat blacks in the US. I feel there is a lot of Global learning African people need to do and understand where they are in this Global landscape. With that being said, any rights that are guaranteed to every human being or every citizen , such as voting rights, health care, education etc, im down with working with anyone on these issues. Black White ,Asian, Latino, whatever, but we as African people should never loose perspective in our own drive for self determination and understand that in many cases our cause for self determination and liberation with contradict many of the alliances formed for other reasons.


    Very true, but we also must distinguish between the indigenous 'Latinos' and the Castillo Spaniard a.k.a. white so-called Latinos who are the exploiters . In many of the Spanish spesaking countries to be 'Indo' is paramount socio-economically with that of being 'Negro'.

    Personally I have already helped to set up a coalition in my area... And the Aztecs(as they self identify) appreciate it. The way things are going we need them more than they need us. We may have to bounce to Mexico as an escape route.

    With any show of solidarity we must be aware of where our interests are shared and where they diverge.
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    I prefer to think of us as "compassionate" Big Grin

    We've never asked for superiority ... merely equality. All things being equal, we would assume that when we scratch someone else's back, they would return the favor by scratching ours. I'm not sure whether or not that has ever happened for us, though. Or if it ever will (again).

    But, I have a feeling it won't stop us from doing so. We didn't get this far by being submissive ... or by exhibiting hate and evil. Our strength and perserverance has always been toward fairness. Of course that means we get run over from time to time. And I would like to think that we will one day learn how to avoid that. But history has shown that we know how to get up, dust ourselves off, take the knives out of our backs, heal the wound, and move forward.

    I guess that is the burden of our greatness. Smile



    yeah Well said EbonyRose...gurlllll! tfro

    I also like to add that the "Indian" blood in Latinos/Hispanics is the same "Indian" blood in us. So what does that make us? And the same European blood in them is the same European blood in us. Spain, Portugal, Italy....but mostly Spain and Portugal on their side....and the rest of Massa on our side. If you look at Latino history: Mexico/South America and Central America....their culture didn't fair them well either cuz we all know they were indigeous people i.e Indians [new term "Amerindians"] before they were "raped" like we were "raped" and then called Latino or Hispanic as we were called negroe, colored, black. And if their culture were so remarkable and they had it soooo good, why are they "here?" So there's a rich story there that will explain how Mexicans in Mexico during slavery helped and hindered Blacks and how in some cases treated their own worse...and how they [and us] were treated in Brazil...Nicaragua....Guatemala....Panama...Belize and on on...Wherever there worked a "slave," standing behind the bush/living in the forest was an Indian....we all are from the same family source with a couple of folks removed here and there...

    To me it is the same old house "N" verses field "N" phenomenon making its way back in form of the "red/brown skin." Everybody i.e. Blacks and Latinos/Hispanics are fighting over the crumbs massa gonna let us have instead of getting our own and not worrying about this insignificant nonproductive rhetoric...we are lagging behind because of this...

    Cuz we all know the time is gonna come when they [Latinos/Hispanics] will learn like we did, that even if you look like you're white, talk like you're white....feel like you're white...don't mean you're white in the eyes of massa cuz to him you're still a &#@%*! fro
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    I see nothing wrong with a African-American and a Latino coalition, but you have to know whats really going on between these groups whats in it and how deep these coalition go history and future.

    Latinos:

    Most Cubans are white Americans and only their ethnic group is latino/hispanic,they vote almost the same way as white Americans ect.Some white Cubans don't even respect Afro-Cuban views.

    Puerto Ricans,alot live in urban areas associate with African-Americans & hip-hop,but when a crime happens between African-Americans and Puerto Ricans ,it is written down as a race crime,a white on black crime statistic.Some Puerto Ricans see themselevs as minorities, but thats not always the way thing are reported.


    Mexicans,their labour is huge part of the American economy,all races depend on it.African Americans in 9 years or less will have the buying power of Canada maybe a good coalition for this reason,but who knows.


    http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArti...60504&articleId=2383


    The Ancestors of Africans in America built America from the ground up,and their responsible for America being the Super Power that is,thats the part most of America/the world seem to forget.Native Americans (the other brown people) own the land in America before the arrival of Europeans,and African Americans gave free labour,building the country from scratch making America the wealthist nation on earth .
    Vote for Barack Obama (link)

    By Richard Romero, La Prensa

    We have an opportunity not only to make history but also change the course of the United States of America. On November 4, 2008, we are calling on you to exercise your most precious right as a citizen and meet your greatest responsibility – that is, Your Vote!

    Your vote between John McCain, who is worried about his candidacy, and Barack Obama, who is worried about our jobs, health care, education, college tuition, and our reputation as a respected nation around the world.

    The unemployment rate in the Latino community is predicted to be three times the national rate. Obama's plan is to provide incentives for small businesses who create jobs here in the United States and change the free trade agreements that encourage U.S.-American jobs to move oversees and keep those jobs here.

    Forty-seven million uninsured U.S.-Americans do not have health care. A significant number of those are Latinos. Under Obama's plan, we can see well over 95% of the U.S.-American public will have affordable health care. The greatest impact will be in the lower income categories and children, which make up the bulk of the uninsured community.

    McCain's scare tactics that Obama will increase taxes in not only unfounded, but the truth is that over 95% of Americans will see a decrease in taxes. For example, those making $30,000 – $40,000 will receive over $1,039 in tax cuts from Obama, while McCain's plan only reduces their taxes by $178.

    For those making $50,000 that tax break is over $1,124 from Obama and just over $232 from McCain. McCain's biggest tax breaks will go to the large oil companies – reducing their tax rate from 35% to 25% or a tax break of $4 billion.

    This "trickle down" view of economics has failed before. The last great stock market decline occurred after President Ronald Reagan initiated his "trickle down" plan. (The other two great stock market collapses occurred under Republican administrations – President Herbert Hoover before the Great Depression, and under President George "W." Bush.)

    Obama believes in a bottom-up approach, where we create jobs and educational opportunity and increase purchasing power and productivity.

    With his tax cuts, Obama is putting money into the hands of American consumers. His is not a one-time band aid called a "stimulus" check of $600 per person, which was clearly not enough to be any real help to families.

    But Obama's overall plan of tax cuts, health care, economic stimulus, and job creation is a commitment to the long term. This is planning for our future, not just an empty promise to the middle class while giving the real breaks to the big corporations and their CEOs.

    In these last couple of weeks, we have seen from the McCain campaign an all out effort to divide the American people. Instead of raising and discussing real issues that impact us all everyday, John McCain/Sarah Palin raise points that are intended to divide us along issues that are cosmetic and have no real substance. They are insinuating that among American citizens there are those who are anti-American just because they do not agree with McCain/Palin.

    What we need is a "Uniter" – not a "Divider." We need someone like Obama, who said in his first national address, "We are not a country of red states and blue states. We are the United States of America."

    Vote November 4! ¡Atrevete! ¡Su Voto es su Vos!
    McCain Owes the American People an Apology
    Written by Dr. Zulmara Cline - Blacktino.net Wednesday, 22 October 2008

    As the presidential race heats up and gets ugly, it has become apparent that John McCain, decorated war hero who has given so much for his country, who cares about and love these United State, owes the American people an apology.

    Not just an, "I'm sorry," but a real heartfelt apology for stirring racial unrest, discord, and dissension. This great country of ours has made tremendous racial harmony, we are in the process of living the MLK dream, and we are finally becoming colorblind. We are not there yet and we have a long way to go, before we are able to say we ARE living the dream. But in the past 50 years, since the 1960"s we have made tremendous progress, and we continue to make more progress.

    For a win, McCain is willing to stir an old fashioned lynch mob against Obama, against people of color, and against all that we have worked for in the past 50 years. The following account of a Republican rally was absolutely disheartening and took us back 50 years.

    A sense of grievance spilling into rage has gripped some GOP events this week, as McCain supporters see his presidential campaign lag against Obama. Some in the audience are making it personal, against the Democrat. Shouts of "traitor," "terrorist," "treason," "liar," and even "off with his head," have rung from the crowds at McCain and Sarah Palin rallies, and gone unchallenged by them.

    It is very disturbing seeing a mostly white, working class crowd in Ohio repeating these lies about Obama and calling him a traitor, a terrorist, and a liar. But the most heinous were the cries of, "off with his head," that were so reminiscent of the lynch mobs of old, and the lynch mobs of the south. To think that a responsible politician is inciting this mob scene or creating this divisiveness in our nation, in order to be our leader is deplorable. In this case, Palin and McCain think the ends justify the mean, but what they are, in fact, assuring is that many will NEVER see them as leaders again, for they personify everything we are not as a nation.

    On the other hand, at the Obama rallies they do not chant anti-McCain cries or death to Palin threats, they focus on the issues and the reality of where we are going as a nation. What a shame to see a decorated war hero who fought for his country and gave so much to this democracy, behave this way and threaten the very basis of our constitutional rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. What a shame to see McCain reduced to a mere figure of the man he has been. He owes the American people an apology, for beginning to unravel the very social fabric we have worked so hard to build.

    It is no wonder that Colin Powell endorsed Obama after such a deep friendship with McCain and a strong military connection, McCain has ceased to be the war hero in his quest for, anything goes politics. Let us hope that after Election Day, the healing can begin, as we pick up the pieces left by this unfortunate Palin/McCain strategy.
    Brotha MBM & Forum,

    I have always been an advocate for unity across the cultural/racial divide and have always helped to fight for other "people of color" within this country and outside of it.

    However, of late, I've noticed some very disturbing trends within my own area of living. I've witnessed much of the Latino population here treating Black People worse than some White People would treat us. I've noticed some very bad attitudes about US and what's worse, I've finally come to UnderStand something that I never thought I'd ever see: that is the premise of some who are adamant about trying to "take" what belongs to one of US.

    I'd always heard that, but never ever saw it. My argument has always been that "they" can't take what is already "had." But lately, I've seen this very idea being played out; the notion that what belongs to one of US should belong to another simply because they feel they have to do what they have to do to survive.

    Well, my UnderStanding is that "so do we." In my opinion, it just ain't right for someone to have the attitude that they are "better" than me no matter what their circumstance is in this country. It is not right for some to purposely try to "have" what clearly belongs to you.

    Has anyone else witnessed this, and if so, how did you handle the situation(s)?

    I'm all for Unity, however lately (especially in the wake of all of the drama surrounding why some are still "undecided" with regards to who they are voting for), I've been really seeing the need for US to do WhatEver WE can to be as UniFied with Each Other as we can.

    Only Black will save Black.

    Anybody feel me on that or am I SomeWhere out in Left Field waiting on the Proverbial Ball to drop?

    "WIAW!"

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