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Bi-Racial, (white bred) children one of the worst enemy to Blacks!

A few years back, there was a foolish trend among certain segments of blacks. Count bi-racial children as blacks to up the political advantage numbers. Well, what did they want to do that for? Those 'white-bred' bi-racial children came out like a 'white racist' foaming, fretting, cursing blackness for including them as 'black.'

I was enraged at blacks for doing it in the first place because those children are as they say, 'NOT BLACK' and then some. What I mean? They are white bred, Willie Lynched to the maxed. In other words, they are black self-loathers who only use their 'black' part as a weapon against blacks and a blessing to their white part.

Indeed, everything black offends them. That is, everything blacks fight against which is white racism. See these are used and I do mean 'used' by the white-wing republican wretches to secure their racist disposition. These along with their colored proselytes are so used. They are tokens against blackness.

They are right-white wing in ideology. Right wing ideology is also known as the demonic spirit of white racism. They are hatemongers who lie, deceive to bring about their ill-will which consist of keeping blacks underfoot while justifying their evil as Christ-like.

These white bred bi-racial brats have taken up the mantle for their 'white half' in opposing black triumph. In other words, they by and large oppose Black power in the form of Affirmative Action, Reparations, just as their white half does. They with a demonic hate rail foolishly against any disposition of blacks.

The Black organizations that sought to include them was in for a rude awakening as these show themselves as fierce against blacks than their whole white counterpart. It was a foolish strategy in the first place. Blacks should never call a self-loathing black, or half-black, 'black' as they do not deserve that honor.

God will wrought the victory for blacks with a handful along, and this demonic stronghold upheld by whites and their bi-racial brats, along with their colored pets yipping at their feet will be destroyed.

Let me say this, the only bi-racial children we should include are those who include themselves as 'black' such as Halle Berry who has spoken out against white racism moreso than blacks with two parents. These along belong to the black and are cherished for honoring and elevating blackness that is worthy of all acceptation.
God bless them and righteous blacks bless and except all such worthy children.

Finally, let me say, the Most High God is the God of Black humanity. The first man/woman were Black/Africoid and it was none other than the Most High God who coined the phrase, Black is Beautiful in as much as the Bible says, 'God looked upon what He had made and said, 'That's Good.' The Strong's Concordance Hebrew dictionary defines 'good' as 'beautiful'. Hence, God after making the first Black/African man and woman, Adam called He them proclaimed, Black is beautiful' i.e. 'Good' (Gen. 1:26,31).

Cursed be all who think otherwise!
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I remembered a person who called this biracial black female a "zebra girl" because she wasn't totally "black."

Fortunately, the woman schooled this knucklehead and said to him:

"You know that zebras, just like black folks, also come from Africa. Do some research before you call somebody names...jackass." rotflmao

He couldn't say anything after that.
Greetings Prophetessofrage,

I am relatively new to this board, and have not posted much, but your topic got my interest, as I just recently experienced this phenomenon of the 'socially' conflicted (to us anyway) bi-racial person.

That is not always the case, that bi-racial people respond in this manner, but, I have run across quite a few who do. And, is your main thesis in this post that the 'Black community' was wrong to want to include these folk?

I will say this, there is nothing more aggravating. I teach at several colleges as an adjunct in my town, and just this past semester, I had the misfortune, but educating experience, to meet a young man, who exemplified the qualites you allude to.

Because he was close to me in age, and was rather handsome,(I can be shallow like that sometimes) I sorta took a liking to him, but because I was the teacher, I kept it on the down-low. Well, this was a speech class, and a variety of topics were presented in my class. My ardor towards him which was high when the semester began, soon cooled, as I found that he was a big (the biggest) fan of Reagan, which is not a 'sin' in and of itself, but, he was also a fan of Bush, did not agree with the concept of 'police-brutality' or over zealous use of force against people of color, which can end in death, is studying to become a police officer, (again nothing wrong with that) and did not want me to bring up any discussions that went against the Iraqi War. I caved in to his wish that 'I' not talk against the war, because he was an enlisted 'man', and I wanted to respect that.

But, damn, he opposed everything that I either supported, or at least was sensitive to that dealt with the 'Black community'. He agreed with most everything that the Caucasian/Mexican students supported, which was usually things against Black Americans, ie. ideological positions on police and aggressiveness in the Black communities, hip-hop, affimative action etc. I was like wtf!

I do'nt want people to agree with me simply because I am the professor, but we did not see eye-to-eye on anything. I mean, even some 'pure' White American' folk understand the complexities of racism and its effects from a sociological perspective, on Black Americans.

Now I know that all bi-racial persons are not like this, but many that I have run into lately are. However, I have also come across a few 'pure' Black Americans who have relatively similar ideologicial and political perspectives. I mean Ward Connerly is 'pure' Black American, and have you seen anything more hideous than him?

Also, what prompted your post?
So here we go again. We made them and we don't want them. Really?

We all know these children. Yes, they are someone's children. Some of them are personally our's. And we are going to start their lives with rejection? Shame on us.

These people are conflicted. They are taught that what they are is who they are. The concept is allowed, even encouraged by both their parents. Now we say it's that person's fault.

Even when the child is raised by the European parent ("white"-bred), the concept of who he/she is, is the responsibility of the parent(s).

Anger is going to demonstrate itself in some way. Where is the positive impact in building this person's percept-of-self.

Condemning those persons now seems self-righteous.

What hs that person been given that is positive.

I applaud you, nayo, for "giving in". What would be the point of taking on a student on issues of personal preference when you can't offer a positive alternative. His personal position did nothing to deiminish the quality of his education, which was your primary task. That's professionalism.

PEACE

Jim Chester

You are who you say you are. Your children are who you say you are.
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Relevant and valuable post Prophetssofrage!! I agree with you, the bi-racial near whites and their Caucasoid brethren should not think they have the Right and Liberty to force their prejudicial control in the minds of the dark skinned men and women of this world. Their hidden program to draw shame and destruction unto our Black race shouldn't be left unhindered!! In due time though they will PAY for their own arrogance coupled with ignorance. As above, so below.

AfroMan.
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Relevant and valuable post Prophetssofrage!! I agree with you, the bi-racial near whites and their Caucasoid brethren should not think they have the Right and Liberty to force their prejudicial control in the minds of the dark skinned men and women of this world. Their hidden program to draw shame and destruction unto our Black race shouldn't be left unhindered!! In due time though they will PAY for their own arrogance coupled with ignorance. As above, so below.

AfroMan.


Here, here, Afroman always on the money! Always!

By the way, in the coming year I do hope to have time to answer many of your dynamite posts on the African history board.

There are some deep truths you've laid down worth expounding on.
Oh, yes, well done, profitless, make an argument that is just like the old white racist "one drop" argument.

If she looks like a racist and sounds like a racist and makes racist arguments...

These are children, for pete's sake. They are not enemies, and that you would see them as such shows only that you are a paranoiacofrage who cares nothing for people but everything for color. Your color, not even our color--just yours.

Care for the children because they are people. They are ours no matter what color they are, for they are human. Don't hate them and make yourself their enemy.

But then, you don't know how to love, do you?
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Originally posted by nayo:
Greetings Prophetessofrage,

I am relatively new to this board, and have not posted much, but your topic got my interest, as I just recently experienced this phenomenon of the 'socially' conflicted (to us anyway) bi-racial person.

That is not always the case, that bi-racial people respond in this manner, but, I have run across quite a few who do. And, is your main thesis in this post that the 'Black community' was wrong to want to include these folk?

I will say this, there is nothing more aggravating. I teach at several colleges as an adjunct in my town, and just this past semester, I had the misfortune, but educating experience, to meet a young man, who exemplified the qualites you allude to.

Because he was close to me in age, and was rather handsome,(I can be shallow like that sometimes) I sorta took a liking to him, but because I was the teacher, I kept it on the down-low. Well, this was a speech class, and a variety of topics were presented in my class. My ardor towards him which was high when the semester began, soon cooled, as I found that he was a big (the biggest) fan of Reagan, which is not a 'sin' in and of itself, but, he was also a fan of Bush, did not agree with the concept of 'police-brutality' or over zealous use of force against people of color, which can end in death, is studying to become a police officer, (again nothing wrong with that) and did not want me to bring up any discussions that went against the Iraqi War. I caved in to his wish that 'I' not talk against the war, because he was an enlisted 'man', and I wanted to respect that.

But, damn, he opposed everything that I either supported, or at least was sensitive to that dealt with the 'Black community'. He agreed with most everything that the Caucasian/Mexican students supported, which was usually things against Black Americans, ie. ideological positions on police and aggressiveness in the Black communities, hip-hop, affimative action etc. I was like wtf!

I do'nt want people to agree with me simply because I am the professor, but we did not see eye-to-eye on anything. I mean, even some 'pure' White American' folk understand the complexities of racism and its effects from a sociological perspective, on Black Americans.

Now I know that all bi-racial persons are not like this, but many that I have run into lately are. However, I have also come across a few 'pure' Black Americans who have relatively similar ideologicial and political perspectives. I mean Ward Connerly is 'pure' Black American, and have you seen anything more hideous than him?

Also, what prompted your post?



Hi Nayo, great commentary. What prompted this post is the nerve, and downright gall of the 'white bred' bi-racial batch of which you describe. These are on an all out mission to 'silence Black America' as they are nothing more than 'black haters' looking for sole approval by their white half. I too, have run into such types as you described.

These are as racist as the diabolical white race. The 'colored' type that spawned this group is usually of the right-wing, subjugated, Clarence Thomas, Ward Connelly make-up, or else, the many low-income, troubled black males who white girls flock after, just so they can get impregnated. As one black male described it, 'it's white girls latest fad.' None the less, the offspring becomes nothing more than 'white with dark color' of which they usually despise and use as a weapon against blackness. In other words, they are strictly white bred in ideology, and this is what they adhere to.

These abominable beings are the first to hurl their blackness at blacks. It reminds me of the diabolical white race who proclaim to Indians, 'why my great grandmother was a real Indian princess' and the learned Indian usually deride them by replying, 'there was no such title as 'princess' among our people.'

That's what these half-breed (white bred) ones are like. They'll hurl, 'why my great grandpappy was a lynched slave' or some such nonsense. Such are a walking horror in that it's one thing for a all white diabolical to utter such nonsense as people of color are use to that. However, it is another for some half n' half to utter it, when the truth of the matter is, depending on how recognizable Africoid in appearance they are, if they are caught in a Semi-Valley suburban area at dusk, they are likely to be picked up, jailed, beaten, killed and/or end up like their great-grandpappy, a modern day 'lynched slave.'

Yet, they dare to wear such a arrogant and foolish disposition and hurl it at blacks. They are an abomination, make no mistake about that and they are the reason white's retain power over blacks. These design plans to fight BLACK not WHITE but BLACK advancement.

As so, we must withstand this wretched batch as they are germs, diseased in mentality and must and will be withstood by any means necessary!

As for Ward Connelly here are the 2 posts of which I expressed my views on that...that...that.. well, you know what I mean.

https://www.africanamerica.org/groupee/forums?a=tpc&s=60260642&f=40070883&m=60170738


https://www.africanamerica.org/groupee/forums?a=tpc&s=60260642&f=40070883&m=63170848

At any rate, nice conversing with you Nayo. Again, great commentary. Oh, one more thing, with regard to that college crowd, be a mighty force of truth against them because the truth is, that is the ground where much of this ANTI-BLACK ADVANCEMENT rhetoric is being spawned and spewed. I cannot believe the ignorance that is being taught as 'education.'
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JAMES CHESTER: I recognize your comments were to Nayo but I would like to say, it is not a matter of forsaking the mulatto children as I'm all for any mulatto BLACK/CONSCIOUS child such as Halle Berry.

Being a man of great learning, I know you are aware of the old 'one drop' rule that whites once implemented. Truly, you know the 'white-bred' bi-racial children would not be able to claim themselves mixed if whites still had their demonic way.

However, since they don't in that one regard these white bred mixed seeds have declared themselves the 'enemy of the black' and therefore, we are not obligated to teach them anything but where they can go with their white racist mentality.

Now, as said to Nayo, that does not go for the mulatto BLACK/CONSCIOUS children for they have made a choice to walk in pro-black truth. They do not blind themselves to the reality of black and white and therefore are worthy of all acceptation.

However, the fact is, it is not up to blacks to run to them and make them choose, it is up to them to choose to respect blackness and if they do not, then they should be seen as much as the enemy as the diabolical white race (Note:Not including the few fair-minded caucasian people), as well as the Uncle Toms, Aunt Thomasina colored ones who through their action show they are black-self-loathing slaves to whites.

The choice is theirs, they must come humbly unto us, as we don't need to go running after them for anything whatsoever. The righteous, truthful Black faction is too good and noble to have to do that.

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Originally posted by Huey:
I remembered a person who called this biracial black female a "zebra girl" because she wasn't totally "black."

Fortunately, the woman schooled this knucklehead and said to him:

"You know that zebras, just like black folks, also come from Africa. Do some research before you call somebody names...jackass." rotflmao

He couldn't say anything after that.


Big Grin Good one, Huey, however it doesn't amaze me that the wretched 'Ignant Louses' of the world like to come up with the 'oreo cookie' analogy as they are demented.

If he really believed in the 'Oreo cookie' analogy then he best slither back over to his white kind and tell them to give up the 100% rule over the wealth, resources, tax dollars of the U.S. so the black 'Oreo Cookie' part can be 50% as equal as, well, the "Oreo cookie." Big Grin
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Originally posted by Melesi:
Oh, yes, well done, profitless, make an argument that is just like the old white racist "one drop" argument.

If she looks like a racist and sounds like a racist and makes racist arguments...

These are children, for pete's sake. They are not enemies, and that you would see them as such shows only that you are a paranoiacofrage who cares nothing for people but everything for color. Your color, not even our color--just yours.

Care for the children because they are people. They are ours no matter what color they are, for they are human. Don't hate them and make yourself their enemy.

But then, you don't know how to love, do you?


What is your 'RACE AND GENDER?' If a twit like you can't answer that basic question don't expect anyone intelligent to take your moronic ramblings serious.

Now slither your stupid ass on back up out of here, before you start crying AGAIN, and running to YSYSS begging her and MBM to ban me because what I wrote isn't in the place you a joke bar none, deem appropriate.
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Quite an argument you make, p-less. I have never cried over anything you've said, though I have on occasion laughed, and I have never asked anyone to ban you from anywhere. You have threatened me with banning, if you will recall, though it hasn't happened yet.

I believe the word for you then is "impotent."

So once again you turn from the subject and attack personally one who disagrees with you. But that doesn't speak to the issue that you yourself have raised. You use a white racist argument, divide AAs from one another, refuse to support your statements, and then expect others to agree with you or even take you seriously?

You are a self-imporant insect.
See Melesi your psychotic brother admits you're so stupid and mentally ill that you can't comprehend how psycho you sound speaking of MY SELF IMPORTANCE that you show is relevant as why else would a dunce like you stay up in my posts?

Now take your germ louse and the both of you slither on back up out of here as I don't know what to do with you loons but laugh.
See, I don't talk to obviously mentally ill, ignorant, sickos such as you two. Eek
Prophetessofrage:

You said, "The choice is theirs, they must come humbly unto us, as we don't need to go running after them for anything whatsoever. The righteous, truthful Black faction is too good and noble to have to do that."

These people were made who they are. By their parents. By society in general. By Africa America. As you have pointed out, all are not the same. Regardless of their personal postion, they have no responsibility to "come humbly unto us."

I think we as African Americans have a responsibility to these children when offered the opportunity. We owe them the responsibility of acknowledgement. Of acceptance.

Wouldn't you do that if the child were yours?

PEACE

Jim Chester

You are who you say you are. Your children are who you say you are.
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I have to say that this type is do to upbringing or how their parents raised them. Since you did not specifically say it, what you are describing is the "house-nigger" and I personally have not been able to see how the person looks as having anything to do with that type of mind set. It seems rather, to be how the person is raised by his/her parents. A biracial person should and should be able to embrace both sides of his/her heritage. I really would not find it odd that a person of biracial heritage would lean more to one side than the other, however, since the person is biracial and would actively seek out ways to hate, demean, and undermind only one side of her/his heritage, would also be a sign of self-hatred and self-hatred is a serious mental imbalance.
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Originally posted by James Wesley Chester:
Prophetessofrage:

You said, "The choice is theirs, they must come humbly unto us, as we don't need to go running after them for anything whatsoever. The righteous, truthful Black faction is too good and noble to have to do that."

JAMES CHESTER'S QUOTE:"These people were made who they are. By their parents. By society in general. By Africa America. As you have pointed out, all are not the same. Regardless of their personal postion, they have no responsibility to "come humbly unto us."

MY REPLY:When I say, 'come humbly unto us," I mean as far as coming respectfully and not full of arrogance and antagonism towards all things black as for one thing, by reason of their hostile anti-black disposition they show they are screwed up to the max.

Yes, we are obligated to speak the truth to all, but we as blacks do not deserve ill-treatment from that white bred bi-racial batch, nor should we take it. As said, it's an honor to be black they aren't doing us a favor, blackness did them a favor and we don't deserve to have them sing the praises of their white half while loathing blackness.


JAMES CHESTER QUOTE:"I think we as African Americans have a responsibility to these children when offered the opportunity. We owe them the responsibility of acknowledgement. Of acceptance."

MY REPLY:Point taken but let me say this, as Nayo described with her experience the 'white bred' faction is already set to a 'anti-black' disposition. Now, we as people of truth can't help but speak the truth but if they resist and that type does to the point that they go about to fight all black advancement, then they are no better than a white racist and must be resisted. That's the point I'm making but I'll give you this for those with greaaaaaaat patience who want to try and reach them so be it. Yet, by reason of their anti-black disposition black's counter disposition must be anti their madness.

Still I wouldn't oppose the patient who dare to reach out and try to exorcise the hateful anti-black disposition they walk in. It is an admirable patience that I do not possess.

JAMES CHESTER'S QUOTE:"Wouldn't you do that if the child were yours?"

MY REPLY:My child would already be Black conscious and therein lies the issue. These bi-racial anti-black, white bred children are bred that way via as you said, their parents, racist white society, but the choice is theirs' to stay that way, and yes, they are pitiful in that they are part black and loathing the blackness while trying to elevate the whiteness. Which then speaks to the 'colored' mentality that reared them.

As said to Nayo, many times these white bred bi-racial children are bred in white society without a black father figure or they are bred by a colored republican self-loathing, house-knee-gro type and it just stands to reason that they would come out anti-black.

Still, their anti-black disposition makes them the enemy to the black. But I suppose, if Josiah Henson can finally see the light perhaps some could be redeemed by the truth but the goal remains to nourish, cherish, and protect our own black children from all anti-black factions.


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Originally posted by sunnubian:
I have to say that this type is do to upbringing or how their parents raised them. Since you did not specifically say it, what you are describing is the "house-nigger" and I personally have not been able to see how the person looks as having anything to do with that type of mind set. It seems rather, to be how the person is raised by his/her parents. A biracial person should and should be able to embrace both sides of his/her heritage. I really would not find it odd that a person of biracial heritage would lean more to one side than the other, however, since the person is biracial and would actively seek out ways to hate, demean, and undermind only one side of her/his heritage, would also be a sign of self-hatred and self-hatred is a serious mental imbalance.


Yes, Sun Nubian exactly. It's not about their bi-racial looks, though that does factor into the whole 'Wille Lynch' divide and conquer strategy. You remember, good hair vs. bad hair, etc. but that has more to do with black's overall 'Willie Lynch' bred self-loathing. That aspect has never been an issue with me other than the need to get our black children to love themselves wholly and completely just as they are. Seeing that black children are exceptionally beautiful reflection of God anyway.


I'm all for the bi-racial embracing all sides of themselves. Yet, I withstand, denounce, the white bred, bi-racial offling for their anti-black dispositon because the fact is, Black and white are still as much at war as we were when the invaders were first let into Africa.

We remain at war, by reason of whites still possessing power over blacks. We remain at war, by reason of whites still illegally retaining the wealth and resources of blacks. We are kept at war by reason of white's 'racist' or what the Bible would call 'demonic' nature that is anti truth, justice, and righteousness towards blacks.


As so, the bi-racial (white bred) offlings are as you said, mentally un-balanced and must be withstood lest their anti-black disposition and subsequent actions hurt our black children and this will not do! No, not at all! I'd rather see them go down cripple for the count than see them live to hurt our black children.
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Originally posted by Melesi:
Uh, profitless?

Have you forgotten how to read?

He quoted you and said to you that you are mentally ill.

Not that that's any surprise. You've been told that before, remember?



What is your RACE AND GENDER?

Okay, since you allege I don't know how to read nor care for the words of you two's obvious mental illness then you'll seize being a half-wit, and scat, skeedaddle and prove your alleged 'sanity' now won't ya?
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Originally posted by James Wesley Chester:
I was just finish reading the last post in this thread when I looked up at the title. It occurs to me that the worst enemy of "Blacks" is "Blacks."

Most, not all, but most of what remains exists because we allow it.

We are indeed our own worst enemy. And those children are of us.

PEACE

Jim Chester

You are who you say you are. Your children are who you say you are.


Why Mr. Chester that's the purpose of posting the WILLIE LYNCH post to show the colored ENEMY WITHIN. This post is posted to show a specific factions of colored enemies so called the 'white-bred' Bi-racial batch.

Indeed, it was the late Stephen Bikko (killed by africans) who more or less said, 'The problem with white reign is Blacks themselves aiding whites.' In other words, 'the oppressed are their own worst enemy.'

In fact, the majority of my postings is about the COLORED SKIN ENEMY WITHIN and ways to destroy their evil.
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Originally posted by James Wesley Chester:

I was just finish reading the last post in this thread when I looked up at the title. It occurs to me that the worst enemy of "Blacks" is "Blacks."



SHAME! JWC how dare you try to unload that same bullshit upon our heads as white politicians, social commentators, powerstructure.

The worst enemy to blacks is white supremacist ideology (which does infect the mind of many blacks), bar none,
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Most, not all, but most of what remains exists because we allow it.
What are we "allowing" and thereby functioning as "our own worst enemy".... Huh? JWC!

JWC: We are allowing most of the things we complain about. The list is different for each person. Common items will exist in each list, of course.


We got time. You're gonna post again (that's for sure)... Let's have a running list of the "Things We Allow" and your prescription about what to do about them.

OKAY!? thumbsup


Oddly enough, commenting on the bolded portion in my quote, some of the significant things doing us the most harm get little, or no response from us. Certainly, nothing corrective. Prime example: Remaining silent on the gutting of the Voting Rights Act of 1965.

Now to your challenge:
You have your "running list." I have mine. I'm trying to make mine shorter. High on my list, and I think I have removed, was "What has being "black" to do with who I am. I have concluded that being "black" is nothing of who I am. And being "black" is only one of the descriptors of what I am.

Running.

PEACE

Jim Chester

You are who you say you are. Your children are who you say you are.

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Originally posted by James Wesley Chester:
I was just finish reading the last post in this thread when I looked up at the title. It occurs to me that the worst enemy of "Blacks" is "Blacks."

Most, not all, but most of what remains exists because we allow it.

We are indeed our own worst enemy. And those children are of us.

PEACE

Jim Chester

You are who you say you are. Your children are who you say you are.


Why Mr. Chester that's the purpose of posting the WILLIE LYNCH post to show the colored ENEMY WITHIN. This post is posted to show a specific factions of colored enemies so called the 'white-bred' Bi-racial batch.

Indeed, it was the late Stephen Bikko (killed by africans) who more or less said, 'The problem with white reign is Blacks themselves aiding whites.' In other words, 'the oppressed are their own worst enemy.'

In fact, the majority of my postings is about the COLORED SKIN ENEMY WITHIN and ways to destroy their evil.


For the record, I agree with your point about the letter. I think it matters little whether is was written by Lynch, or is a fiction of someone's creativity. The point is valid.

I something along this line earlier.

PEACE

Jim Chester

You are who you say you are. Your children are who you say you are.
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Running.
As usual... You never come through.

What's with the BS?
"You have your list, I have mine..."

I asked you to make a list...
You said "MOST but not all..."
I'm asking you for an extensive list that equates to "MOST" which I think is more than two (all that your RUNNING a$$ decided to list)... And the most important thing I asked was to demonstrate how within each individual issue that we are/have acted as our own worst enemies.

Voting Rights Act
- What? Are there African-Americans in favor of repealing it? HUH?

... I mean you say we're "our own worst enemies" that implies that we are 'working DIRECTLY against our own interest'. You can show me how I might be wrong in deducing that... Also, DEMONSTRATE how that is so on that issue...

(Scared of that word [DEMONSTRATE] or what?
Just saying something "IS" is BS!)

"BEING BLACK..."

Okay, to make it clear, I'm not going to make assumptions about what you mean and I'm definitely not going to draw conclusions that may or may not be what you intend. (READ: I can't and I won't read your freakin' mind. SPELL THE SH*T! OUT!)

How are we WORKING DIRECTLY AGAINST OURSELVES on that issue? Spell it out!

Also, are you working under some assumption that we should be a monolith and do everything in UNISOME? That what seems to be implicit in you whole charge that we are "our own worst enemies"...

Sorry, I don't accept blanket charges and WEAK postings that people are AFRAID to back-up and thoroughly support. If you make a claim back that sh*t up! And deal with the presumptions/assumptions that you are working under.

NOBODY SUGGEST THAT WHITE PEOPLE ARE THEIR "OWN WORST ENEMIES" BECAUSE THEY ARE OR HAVE BEEN ALMOST EVENLY DIVIDED AS REPUBLICANS VS. DEMOCRATS, not to mention various factions within and outside those two "major" ones!

So cut the bullsh*t!
IT'S SIMPLE PEOPLE WHO MAKE SIMPLE STATEMENTS LIKE THAT THAT PUTS THEMSELVES IN THE CATEGORY THAT THEY PROMOTE - i.e. those who say "Blacks are their own worst enemies" are "the enemies" themselves. What? Is such a statement suppose to be a call for Unity?

Do the "Knowers" of this "fact" have a grand plan to correct this "Enemy Within"? Or is it just some of the same ole adopt and cop a White Man's plea and call it your own?

I for one will hesitate at least twice if I say and echo the same exact things "they" say....

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Originally posted by James Wesley Chester:

_I was just finish reading the last post in this thread when I looked up at the title. It occurs to me that the worst enemy of "Blacks" is "Blacks." _




SHAME! JWC how dare you try to unload that same bullshit upon our heads as white politicians, social commentators, powerstructure.

The worst enemy to blacks is white supremacist ideology (which does infect the mind of many blacks), bar none,


Hey Negrospiritual, such commentary doesn't shock nor move me in the least bit. Rather, it only validates what I came forth proclaiming, "God and the Black WOMAN of TRUTH go it alone, it soooo many ways."

In fact, I with much trepidation dare to give the benefit of the doubt to any other when I engage in conversement as the truth will always prove me right with few and rare exceptions.

Imaginate and yourself are right, what is it that black's allow? Colored scum to fight for white males to retain 100% rule and reign over our tax dollars? That's what we're opposing.

The Votings Rights de-gutting? That's what we are 'raging' against.

The removal of Affirmative action black power bill? Tha's why we mann our post and as the Bible proclaims, 'Cry aloud and Spare Not!'

Anti-reparations? That's what learned blacks speak out about. After all, as our ancestors didn't get the 40 acres and a mule, that means that whites got it, and enriched themselves. The elite anyway, as they don't care about those they dubbed 'white trash.'

Police brutality? That's what we protest, and fight against.

Control of African resources? That's what we are trying to get back.

In order to bring about victory we must indeed fight the 'Enemy within' colored dung who aid white dominion by opposing blacks.

As for not being 'BLACK' trust me, the whites who have 100% rule and reign over all black affairs see anything not pale as a leper as black and seek to keep us underfoot.

(Minus of course the few fair minded ones).

As for being proud of being BLACK it is folly to say 'blackness' doesn't make or break us. It is an HONOR to be BLACK despite all the evil and hardships that come against us. It is an honor to come from such a remarkable righteous BLACK SKINNED people.

Annnd, no other ethnicity on planet earth says, "I'm not the ethnicity I come from but certain people whose skin color is 'black' and whose heritage is Africoid.' That's as you stated 'SHAMEFUL.'
Hello, you all. I'm new to this site. Excuse my saying this but aren't you people aware that it's been estimated that at least 65% of black people in America have some white blood in their family tree? In all likelihood, the actual percentage is much higher.

Whether we like it or not, there have ALWAYS been biracial children in the USA (just think about the recent revelations about Strom Thurmond) and these children have ALWAYS been considered black in this society.

Historically, they grew up, were identified as black (except in cases where they were able to pass), married black and then gave birth to OUR parents, grandparents, and great grandparents.

If today's biracial children are 'conflicted' it's because of the silly racist nonsense coming from people both black and white who try to force them to make a silly choice about who they are.

The choice is silly, because if the rest of us were honest with ourselves, we'd all - black and white - confess to being mongrels. The only race in America is the mutt.

I agree with one of the people earlier in the thread. By pressing this issue, I'm afraid all we're doing is regurgitating the one drop rule that was created by white supremacists to keep us down.
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Hello, you all. I'm new to this site. Excuse my saying this but aren't you people aware that it's been estimated that at least 65% of black people in America have some white blood in their family tree? In all likelihood, the actual percentage is much higher.

Whether we like it or not, there have ALWAYS been biracial children in the USA (just think about the recent revelations about Strom Thurmond) and these children have ALWAYS been considered black in this society.

Historically, they grew up, were identified as black (except in cases where they were able to pass), married black and then gave birth to OUR parents, grandparents, and great grandparents.

If today's biracial children are 'conflicted' it's because of the silly racist nonsense coming from people both black and white who try to force them to make a silly choice about who they are.

The choice is silly, because if the rest of us were honest with ourselves, we'd all - black and white - confess to being mongrels. The only race in America is the mutt.

I agree with one of the people earlier in the thread. By pressing this issue, I'm afraid all we're doing is regurgitating the one drop rule that was created by white supremacists to keep us down.
NOw, be honest, HONEST BROTHER...

What choice do you think people would make if they had the choice?

And since you stipulated as to what percentage of Blacks have "White Blood" where is the companion figures for Whites?

What do you think most apparently "pure" Whites would choose to identify as? and why do you think that is?

Certainly people can choose to be and act how they won't but their actual racial biology has little to do with the social order. Until society is so structured to where none of it matters, then and only then will your whole point carry.

RACE still does matter. You can't escape it.
And it's funny how you talk about the Black people who would "pass" if they could... that should be enough to tell you something - i.e. there is no equivalence between what Whites have promoted and established and what Blacks advocate and admonish.
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I'm afraid all we're doing is regurgitating the one drop rule that was created by white supremacists to keep us down.
This country is based on White Supremacy.
It doesn't take David Duke for that to be so.

Try Jefferson and Lincoln.

Are Whites not "supreme" and dominant in this society? Do you doubt that they will work out of their own self-interest to maintain that dominance?

Please don't promote and fall for that look at the individual game and feel like it's all personal. History tells us that it definitely started as Business... I'm sure plenty will say it's nothing personal... (as they step on your throat while climbing to the top of the mountain so to speak.)
I never denied that race matters. It most definitely does. It's also true that the race on top - in terms of actual power, economic and otherwise - happens to be 'white.' I was trying to make a different sort of point.

The point being is that if we're going to condemn today's biracial children we should also condemn a lot of our own ancestors who had no choice about the circumstances of their own births.

We ought to condemn ourselves for perpetuating the white racist mentality which has us condemning OUR OWN.

We ought to condemn the societal racism that has us so uptight we're always barking up the wrong tree.

Leave those kids alone.
To be honest, I'm not aware of a comparable percentage for white identified people. I'm not even sure if anyone has bothered to research such figures. But that's a testament to the legacy of segregation. The only thing that mattered to white supremacy was distinguishing the 'real' negroes from everybody else. They didn't keep track of those who managed to infiltrate their own family trees (sometimes they intentionally didn't keep track). But, for their purposes of maintaining power, that didn't really matter

But a few thoughts on white supremacy:

White supremacy thrives on dishonesty. Dishonesty about the mongrel nature of American culture from the origins of our food to the rhythms of our music. Dishonesty about the nature of white privilege. Dishonesty about the continuing effects of institutional racism.

White Supremacy thrives on us wasting our time and energy trying to separate the real negroes from the fake ones.
Who are the "we" that you feel are condemning "those kids"?

For the most part, the Black community had to be if for no other reason than necessity "more accepting"... I'm certain that you don't believe that human natures says that 100% of any people White or Black are going to go along with anything...

So I really trying to see your point... it seems to suggest that Black people in general give Bi-Racial kids a hard time... or shouldn't have anything to say about it and some of the mentality that is behind some of it.

Anyway...
You can disregard my comments. I don't have an issue with Bi-Racialism... at least not one that's promoted in the title.
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Originally posted by HonestBrother:
I never denied that race matters. It most definitely does. It's also true that the race on top - in terms of actual power, economic and otherwise - happens to be 'white.' I was trying to make a different sort of point.

The point being is that if we're going to condemn today's biracial children we should also condemn a lot of our own ancestors who had no choice about the circumstances of their own births.

We ought to condemn ourselves for perpetuating the white racist mentality which has us condemning OUR OWN.

We ought to condemn the societal racism that has us so uptight we're always barking up the wrong tree.

Leave those kids alone.


Hi HonestBrother this post was not set up to condemn the parentage of the bi-racial (white bred) offlings. (By the way, we're speaking in terms of those of age who condemn blackness such as described in 'Nayo's post). Rather it is their white pride at the expense of blackness ideology that must be withstood, denounced, condemned at all cost lest they prevail in their sick will to keep blacks underfoot.

Oh, and speaking of 'forcing to make choices' it was Strom Thurmond that forced that child of his to make a choice to be black. In fact, it was white racist America who forced bi-racial children to refer to themselves as black. If they are wise they are proud to do so.

Oh, and a great point Imaginate brought up with regard to your comments on blacks who 'pass' and they do this to this very day is 'Why?' The answer is because white racism forces them to be black self-loathers NOT Blacks.

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>>>>I was enraged at blacks for doing it in the first place because those children are as they say, 'NOT BLACK' and then some. What I mean? They are white bred, Willie Lynched to the maxed. In other words, they are black self-loathers who only use their 'black' part as a weapon against blacks and a blessing to their white part.>>>>

Ummmmm, biracial kids are NOTHING new!!! You seem to blame some of these kids, when you should blame their self hating fathers. Many black leaders were part white, from Malcolm X to Dubois. Many of the teachers, that were considered quadroons and ocatroons, left the safety of the North after the Civil War to teach black children (black, bi and multiracial) how to read!!!! I was black in the 70's, in the 80's and part of the 90's, but all of a sudden this biracial crap has surfaced and all of you are falling for it. Let me assure you that BIRACIAL is NOTHING new!!! What is new is the magnitude of WHITE women have children BY SELF HATING BLACK MEN LIKE THE FATHER OF TIGER WOODS AND TIGER WOODS HIMSELF. Don't blame the kids for that shyt!! Blame their Unlce Tom Knee-gro fathers and their fearful white girlfriends.
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[QUOTE] Running.
As usual... You never come through.

What's with the BS?
"You have your list, I have mine..."

I asked you to make a list...

JWC: I gave you the first item on my list. I doubt that my list and your list are the same, but you imply that is BS. Maybe. "Running" was to indicate there are more items on the list. I didn't think I had to explain. Clearly, I do.

You fail/refuse to directly address the first item. Why offer others? Resolution doesn't seem to be your goal. I believe resolution should always be the goal of discussion about our circumstance.

Otherwise, what is the point?

PEACE

Jim Chester

You are who you say you are. Your children are who you say you are.
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You fail/refuse to directly address the first item. Why offer others?
Mr. Chester...

If you are concerned about our list being different? Why would you want me to address - i.e. VALIDATE - any item on your list?

Actually, that's what it is all about. It's not about resolution. That's, IMO, a false pretense. People generally want someone else to VALIDATE their ideas, hence you more or less saying, "What's The Use? You and I obviously won't have the same list?"

Sorry, in this instance I was (especially with your words in mind - "your list and my list..."), I felt obligated NOT to comment on "your list" as a way of accepting them strictly because they were yours. I don't seem difference as an automatic source of dis-Unity or a state of non-Resolution. Resolution comes about after a deliberate process. One or two words or exchanges does not a resolution make.

The problem lies in all this Validation = Resolution business. Okay... you call it "addressing" but you will reject me if I happen to reject your items when I happen to reject or re-prioritize them as I "address" them.

ADDRESS does not equal AGREE or necessarily coming to a consensus. Consensus also, IMO, is a false pretense. I won't quibble about it as a goal but a consensus is not necessary for reaching an understanding.

And when someone (me in this case) ask for a way to better understand or for clarification... getting defensive no matter how confrontational (if in fact you feel as if that person, me, is ultimately on your side... ??) is NOT the way to advocating or influencing resolution.

I don't think everything in the process has to be perfect. The participants just have to be determined to find resolution - order even in the midst of choas...

But that's just how I feel...

So I was trying to hear from you without making disparging comments about your list, since you made it obvious that that was a concern. I think you asking me to "address" your items is a solicitation of the very thing you admonished, if you wanted me to be completely honest or at least have the opportunity to express the range of what I might feel.

So are you sure you want me to "address" what you said or were you looking for some conciliatory validation?

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