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I've been quite clear in my feelings about both Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton. I don't need to restate them here other than to say that I strongly support Barack for president. Selecting a vice presidential running mate is the next big step in the race to November and it is a decision that, we can only imagine, is being taken most seriously. I've pondered this move, as have many of you, going over the various "would be" veeps: Webb, Clark, Biden, Kaine, Hagel, Edwards, Dodd, Richardson, Vilsack, Bayh, Nunn, Daschle, etc. Some are fresh and new names. Many are retreads from previous races. Not many generate much in the way of any real excitement or strategic advantage.

Being as strong an Obama supporter as I am, I think he needs to select someone who can meaningfully add to the ticket; someone who can help Barack in some fundamental way. That's why I think he should select . . . . . (I hope you're sitting down) . . . . Hillary Clinton.

Choosing a vice president isn't like selecting a spouse. Barack doesn't have to like Hillary. He doesn't even, really, have to deal with her much once in office. He does have to get elected though or all of this is for naught.

To my sensibilities, Hillary is the only potential running mate who could bring a significant level of excitement and energy to the ticket. Sure, some say that choosing her would undermine the Obama 'change platform'. I think it extremely easy to handle that argument by focusing on the change that both Barack and Hillary would represent versus John McCain. They'd be making extraordinary American history.

Yes, Bill would be someone to watch, but we all know the adage that one must keep their friends close, but their enemies even closer. I even think that Bill would actually get into the notion that it would take the Clintons' to get a black man elected president and bend over backward to get his wife back in the White House!

Hillary brings all those disaffected white women back into the fold. Together, Barack and Hillary galvanize the core of the party - energizing the Democratic machine all over the country. Perhaps she even helps in important states like Florida and Ohio and even further sparks the amazing Obama fundraising engine!

They say that the selection of a VP running mate is the first move revealing the kind of decision making that the nominee would make as president. Choosing Hillary, to my way of seeing things, would demonstrate real strength and confidence. The easy thing would be to dismiss her. The harder thing would be to embrace Hillary and Bill and use them as strategic assets to get himself elected.

Yes, I think Barack should select Hillary as his running mate. It would create the biggest bounce from the convention (by far) that just might be needed in November. The only person who might be able to eclipse this choice on the Republican side would be if McCain convinced Colin Powell to run - and that ain't happening.

Of course we don't know the role that racism will play as the curtains close behind Americans in early November. It would be foolish to think that it will play no role. Having Hillary out there as your attack dog - not only countering McCain's veep pick but also taking McCain on directly as well - is something that can't be overstated. No other potential running mate can come close to her name recognition and political presence. Yes, she may scare some conservative voters to come out to vote against her, but I'll have to take my chances on the over-all benefit that she brings to the ticket.

It's well known that John Kennedy didn't like LBJ. He selected him as his VP though and it helped him win the White House. Choosing a running mate is a cold, hard strategic decision. It's not personal. It's business. Barack should choose Hillary. It makes sense. It would give him the greatest opportunity to be president of the United States of America and therefore it's the right thing to do. He would just need to watch his back though . . . . and stay the heck out of Arkansas. We all know what happened when JFK went to LBJ's Texas.
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The VP pick will be Biden.

HRC would likely galvanize as many presently dispirited Republicans as she would disaffected women. (who still, in the final tally are not likely to go Repub)

Sebilius would tick off the HRC supporters.

Kaine reinforces Obama's perceived negatives -- youth, lack of foreign policy bona fides.

Bayh ....not a great campaigner, supported the Iraq invasion. and would probably not bring Indiana.

Biden, while he can be undisciplined on the stump is a beast of a campaigner and will get after McCain day in and day out on the campaign trail, something Obama has not shown a taste for doing to this point. Additionally, Biden has Pennsylvania roots -Scranton-. HRC played her Pa. "roots" in the primary to good effect. It would likely do no less for Biden.

For all Obama's desire to run a 50-state race, you must first win, before you dominate. This race will turn on Ohio, Michigan and Pennsylvania and their 20, 18, 21 electoral votes.
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Originally posted by EbonyRose:

An Obama / Clinton ticket is the only unbeatable ticket possible.


I don't think its the "only" ticket that can win. I just think its the best one; the one that gives Barack the best chance to win.


Then you still don't get it. Smile

Obama needs enough votes to 1) counter the on-going attack the Republicans are/are going to assault him with from now until November; and 2) overcome the underhanded cheating tactics (the disqualification of Dem voters) the Republicans are going to use on Election Day.

If the election were held today, he'd lose. Though I think the polls are inaccurate, he just doesn't have enough of a margin to win ... nor has he been successful in being able to convince any more people who aren't already in his corner to vote for him. His numbers are flat ... and ... there's not a whole lot else he can do that's going to suddenly catapult him into favor with the amount of voters he needs right now.

His V.P. pick can give him that, though.

Hillary is the only choice that could/would bring him enough votes for a definite win. Any other choice might bring in (a few) additional votes ... but Hillary already has enough of those behind her.

The pundits are saying that Obama needs to pick somebody who has what he doesn't, i.e., foreign policy experience, an economic background, a political vet, etc. But what he needs are votes, or none of what he does or doesn't have behind him will matter one bit. He doesn't need a 'good' choice as much as he needs a 'popular' choice.

Hillary can bring everything the Dems need to win to the platform. And I can't think of any other Democrat in the entire Party for whom the same could be said. Can you?? Confused
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Biden, while he can be undisciplined on the stump is a beast of a campaigner and will get after McCain day in and day out on the campaign trail, something Obama has not shown a taste for doing to this point. Additionally, Biden has Pennsylvania roots -Scranton-. HRC played her Pa. "roots" in the primary to good effect. It would likely do no less for Biden.


as much as i think a strong female veep candidate would do, you're probably right about Biden. Obama needs an attack dog to balance out his "thoughtful/nice guy" approach, and to rip john mccain's ***'s off. Hopefully, he'll get a good one, and not make the mistake john kerry did in choosing john edwards. Initially edwards looked like an attack dog, but turned out to be a softy against cheney et al. Biden just might be the ticket to shake things up for Obama...
August 19, 2008
Political Memo
The Lingering What-If Question: Clinton?
By PATRICK HEALY

No power brokers in the Democratic Party are openly campaigning for Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton as their vice-presidential nominee this year, and even Mrs. Clinton's closest aides have stopped talking her up. Yet privately, some Democrats continue to see her as exactly the partner that Senator Barack Obama needs.

Clinton supporters have tried to make this point in recent weeks, winning language in the party's convention platform that acknowledged Mrs. Clinton's history-making candidacy, and praising her as a smart, seasoned policy wonk who could add ballast to Mr. Obama's message of hope and change.

Indeed, a recent New York Times/CBS News poll of convention delegates found that 28 percent preferred Mrs. Clinton for vice president "” by far the largest bloc supporting a candidate. (More than a third offered no opinion; 6 in 10 of Clinton-pledged delegates wanted her, but only 3 percent of Obama delegates named her.)

"I've gotten literally hundreds of letters over the last week from women saying they would still love it if she were the nominee, or if he would pick her," said Geraldine A. Ferraro, a Clinton supporter and the only woman to be on a major-party ticket, as the Democratic vice-presidential nominee in 1984.

Now if only the two former rivals could get past ... oh, where to begin?

Think back to high school: In interviews on Monday, Clinton aides said they thought Mr. Obama did not like Mrs. Clinton. Clinton aides also said they thought Mr. Obama thinks Mrs. Clinton does not like him. And, like him or not, she is skeptical that he can win, her aides continue to say. Bottom line, chemistry might be a problem here.

While Mrs. Clinton, as running mate, might shepherd her blue-collar supporters in Ohio and Pennsylvania to the ticket, her earlier criticisms of Mr. Obama before those same voters might undercut a unity message. And what her fans see as "seasoned" experience is what many Obama supporters rejected during the primaries as "old Washington tactics," a phrase that Mr. Obama has used to describe Clintonian politicking.

The Obama camp would also have to figure out former President Bill Clinton's role in the months and years to come "” a tricky task, perhaps, given that the arrangement of his speaking role at the convention was a protracted, somewhat clumsy affair.

"There's a case for Hillary to be on the ticket, but the real question is, Is Bill a voice for the campaign and the administration, and what do you do about disclosing all of the donors to his foundation and his library?" said Robert Shrum, a veteran strategist of Democratic campaigns, referring to donor lists that the Clintons would not release during the primaries.

As for Mrs. Clinton, she is increasingly looking at the advantages of staying off the ticket, whether to run again in four or eight years or to capitalize on her presidential run to become an enduring national voice for women and working-class Americans.

"Picking her would have a groundswell impact on Democrats, but not picking her will leave her to have a new role leading on her issues "” and supporting Barack for president," said Alan Patricof, a longtime fund-raiser and friend of the Clintons.

An uninformed observer could be forgiven for assuming that next week's Democratic convention in Denver was an Obama-Clinton affair: Michelle Obama speaking on Monday night, Mrs. Clinton on Tuesday, Mr. Clinton on Wednesday and Mr. Obama on Thursday. Women's groups are also planning a parade and rally in Mrs. Clinton's honor for next Tuesday in Denver. (A Clinton spokeswoman said Monday that she did not know whether Mrs. Clinton had been invited.)

If Mr. Obama does not select Mrs. Clinton, this four-night lineup will simply serve as another reminder that steps are needed to heal the wounds of the long primary season fight.

"I think the convention will help bring the wings of the party together, especially the fact that Senator Clinton's name will be put in nomination for a roll-call vote; that will make a big difference," said former Gov. Tom Vilsack of Iowa, a Clinton supporter. "As for picking Senator Clinton as vice president "” that's Senator Obama's decision."

That last line has been the official Clinton talking point this summer; even Ann Lewis, Mrs. Clinton's former spokeswoman and one of her most unabashed champions, declined to comment on Monday about whether Democrats still wanted Mrs. Clinton as the running mate.

While never the most subtle bunch, Mrs. Clinton and her aides have maintained a low profile this summer, given that campaigning outright for the vice presidency has rarely paid off. Recently, as it became clear that Mr. Obama was nearing his choice, Mrs. Clinton's aides stopped talking publicly about the vice presidency altogether.

Mr. Obama has given little indication that he is preparing to pick her "” even though, her supporters note, she could help him in swing states and with key blocs of voters, and she could help raise millions of dollars. One donor to Mrs. Clinton attended a recent Obama fund-raiser in New York that netted about $500,000; if Mrs. Clinton had been the headliner, the donor wagered, it would have reaped $1 million.

Some Democrats do not rule out the possibility that Mr. Obama and Mrs. Clinton could be playing it supercool, only to increase the splash of seeing Mr. Obama, the junior senator from Illinois, reach out to his old bête noire, Mrs. Clinton, the junior senator from New York, to become the first black man and the first woman to seek the White House as nominees.

"If he determines that Hillary after all is the best choice to help him to win and to govern," said Dan Gerstein, a Democratic consultant in New York, "they are capable of pulling off what would be the greatest head fake in American political history."

Dalia Sussman contributed reporting.
August 19, 2008

Biden: 'I'm not the guy'
Posted: 07:00 PM ET

From CNN Political Producer Alexander Marquardt


Biden said Tuesday he will not be Obama's VP.


(CNN) – Responding to a fresh wave of rumors he may soon be named to the Democratic presidential ticket, Sen. Joe Biden told reporters camped outside the gates of his Delaware home Tuesday that he isn't "the guy."

"You got better things to do guys, I'm not the guy," Biden said.

Asked where he would be on Saturday "” when Barack Obama is reportedly scheduled to hold a campaign event in Springfield, Illinois that may feature his new running mate – Biden replied, "Here," pointing to his driveway.

Biden's VP stock has risen in recent days following a visit to the Republic of Georgia that spotlighted his national security and foreign policy credentials – a policy area where Obama's resume is relatively thin.

The Obama camp has kept the details on both the timing and selection of the presumptive Democratic nominee's running mate under wraps. Biden is reportedly on a shortlist for the spot, along with Indiana Senator Evan Bayh and Virginia Governor Tim Kaine. Obama will visit Virginia on Wednesday and Thursday before returning home to Illinois, where a Saturday event in Springfield – where he first kicked off his presidential run – will mark the official start of his "roll into the convention," which will include a tour of battleground states.
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Originally posted by EbonyRose:

An Obama / Clinton ticket is the only unbeatable ticket possible.


I don't think its the "only" ticket that can win. I just think its the best one; the one that gives Barack the best chance to win.


Personally, being from Georgia, I'm kinda disappointed that Sam Nunn isn't in the VP running.
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Originally posted by EbonyRose:
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Originally posted by MBM:
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Originally posted by EbonyRose:

An Obama / Clinton ticket is the only unbeatable ticket possible.


I don't think its the "only" ticket that can win. I just think its the best one; the one that gives Barack the best chance to win.


Then you still don't get it. Smile

Obama needs enough votes to 1) counter the on-going attack the Republicans are/are going to assault him with from now until November; and 2) overcome the underhanded cheating tactics (the disqualification of Dem voters) the Republicans are going to use on Election Day.

If the election were held today, he'd lose. Though I think the polls are inaccurate, he just doesn't have enough of a margin to win ... nor has he been successful in being able to convince any more people who aren't already in his corner to vote for him. His numbers are flat ... and ... there's not a whole lot else he can do that's going to suddenly catapult him into favor with the amount of voters he needs right now.

His V.P. pick can give him that, though.

Hillary is the only choice that could/would bring him enough votes for a definite win. Any other choice might bring in (a few) additional votes ... but Hillary already has enough of those behind her.

The pundits are saying that Obama needs to pick somebody who has what he doesn't, i.e., foreign policy experience, an economic background, a political vet, etc. But what he needs are votes, or none of what he does or doesn't have behind him will matter one bit. He doesn't need a 'good' choice as much as he needs a 'popular' choice.

Hillary can bring everything the Dems need to win to the platform. And I can't think of any other Democrat in the entire Party for whom the same could be said. Can you?? Confused


I agree, BHO needs to set aside his pride and go with Billary but he will also need a food taster. LOL Eek
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For me, it ain't gotta be Hillary. Whoever it is needs to have the guts to participate in modern politics. Whoever it is has got to be a bulldog, or a piranha Mad


That sure sounds like Hillary to me!! Big Grin

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because Obama is content to absorb body blows and count on "the people" to reject McCain's negativity...


I hear your complaints about Obama taking the 'high road' in his campaign. I agree with you, but I also think veering away from that would be a mistake for him. It's one of the things a lot of people like about him. He's not 'down-in-the-dirt' and that's a good thing!!

Perhaps not effective for success (19), but good nonetheless! Smile

And, actually, Obama's non-offensive demeanor is typical Democrat whimpy-ness at it's very best. The Dems are punks and always have been when it comes to counteracting Republican viciousness ... Kerry did it with the Swiftboat thing ... Gore did it by conceding the election - and due justice of those Floridians right to have their votes counted with it .... the Democrat-led Congress's (especially the House's) refusal to investigate Bush & Cheney's obvious wrongdoings. The list goes on and on.

The Democrats have no backbone. Looks like Barack is lacking one too. But, that's Democrats-as-usual. Nothing new there. Roll Eyes
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Originally posted by negrospiritual:
For me, it ain't gotta be Hillary. Whoever it is needs to have the guts to participate in modern politics. Whoever it is has got to be a bulldog, or a piranha Mad


That sure sounds like Hillary to me!! Big Grin

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because Obama is content to absorb body blows and count on "the people" to reject McCain's negativity...


I hear your complaints about Obama taking the 'high road' in his campaign. I agree with you, but I also think veering away from that would be a mistake for him. It's one of the things a lot of people like about him. He's not 'down-in-the-dirt' and that's a good thing!!

Perhaps not effective for success (19), but good nonetheless! Smile

And, actually, Obama's non-offensive demeanor is typical Democrat whimpy-ness at it's very best. The Dems are punks and always have been when it comes to counteracting Republican viciousness ... Kerry did it with the Swiftboat thing ... Gore did it by conceding the election - and due justice of those Floridians right to have their votes counted with it .... the Democrat-led Congress's (especially the House's) refusal to investigate Bush & Cheney's obvious wrongdoings. The list goes on and on.

The Democrats have no backbone. Looks like Barack is lacking one too. But, that's Democrats-as-usual. Nothing new there. Roll Eyes



I wouldn't say he doesn't have a backbone. He can be stubborn as hell on certain issues. I think he trusts his advisors perspectives a lil too much and in turn his advisors aren't as hip to the game as they believe themselves to be. Then again his campaign manager helped harold washington, and Deval Patrick...so maybe this high road thing will continue to work for him.

...somebody should whisper into Obama's ear that McCain is secretly a black man. He'll go into a shark-like frenzy on McCain's butt then! lol


daz
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Originally posted by negrospiritual:
...somebody should whisper into Obama's ear that McCain is secretly a black man. He'll go into a shark-like frenzy on McCain's butt then! lol


daz



But ... but ... the man is pale and pasty ... and has no top lip. Eek


2 words: Michael Jackson



Michael Jackson wasn't born that way. Razz
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I glanced just briefly at his voting record for my list of priorities. I will have to look at it closer to see if it is enough for me to cast my vote for this ticket. Right now it's still a toss up.


Well, what's your alternative?


I have to see who McCain chooses. I don't consider either a powerful choice so I will be voting and hoping for the best based on both tickets record on the issues I see as important.
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Originally posted by MBM:
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Originally posted by ocatchings:

I glanced just briefly at his voting record for my list of priorities. I will have to look at it closer to see if it is enough for me to cast my vote for this ticket. Right now it's still a toss up.


Well, what's your alternative?


I have to see who McCain chooses. I don't consider either a powerful choice so I will be voting and hoping for the best based on both tickets record on the issues I see as important.


What are your primary issues? It's unusual to see someone choosing between Obama and McCain - they represent such fundamentally different choices.

Weren't you against the Iraq War?
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Originally posted by ocatchings:

I glanced just briefly at his voting record for my list of priorities. I will have to look at it closer to see if it is enough for me to cast my vote for this ticket. Right now it's still a toss up.


Well, what's your alternative?


I have to see who McCain chooses. I don't consider either a powerful choice so I will be voting and hoping for the best based on both tickets record on the issues I see as important.


What are your primary issues? It's unusual to see someone choosing between Obama and McCain - they represent such fundamentally different choices.

Weren't you against the Iraq War?


Initially I was for the war based on the reasoning we were going to stop Bin Laden and further atacks. After I got over there and the story started changing my support for the powers that sent us and the war declined.

I was against the surge as I believe if war is declared we should go in 100%. None of this "civilized" war BS. If we had went in without the arogance from chaney, rumsfeld and the rest of the armchair commandos and laptop bombadiers a lot of lives would have been saved.

As far as my issues
1. A strong defense
2. Immigration
3. Double standards for politicans, political reform
4. Education
5. Affirmative action
6. Economy and loss of jobs abroad

No particular order and I'm sure I'll think of something later.
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Originally posted by MBM:
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Originally posted by ocatchings:

I glanced just briefly at his voting record for my list of priorities. I will have to look at it closer to see if it is enough for me to cast my vote for this ticket. Right now it's still a toss up.


Well, what's your alternative?


Sadly, this will probably be the third time in a row that this very question is the main/only reason I cast my vote for the Democratic nominee for president. sck

I voted for Bill Clinton because I really wanted to. Every vote since then as been because I had no choice.
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Originally posted by EbonyRose:

Sadly, this will probably be the third time in a row that this very question is the main/only reason I cast my vote for the Democratic nominee for president. sck

I voted for Bill Clinton because I really wanted to. Every vote since then as been because I had no choice.


You voted for BC because you "really wanted to" - yet he screwed and abused black people at every turn. What evidence do you have that BO will somehow be a worse president that him? Confused
I claim no loyalty to any party. I base my decisions on what I consider important and who I feel will meet those needs the best.

Since my opinion of all politicans is very low, I'm not looking for anyone to be perfect just keep things somewhat level.

Given that, Obama is not automatically getting my vote ( my card was not returned from the last time is was confiscated so asking me to turn it in is a waste). tongue

I don't like either candidate or their constant flip flopping. I wish more people looked at the issues rather than party affiliation, then maybe we would have a viable candidate.
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Originally posted by EbonyRose:

Sadly, this will probably be the third time in a row that this very question is the main/only reason I cast my vote for the Democratic nominee for president. sck

I voted for Bill Clinton because I really wanted to. Every vote since then as been because I had no choice.


You voted for BC because you "really wanted to" - yet he screwed and abused black people at every turn. What evidence do you have that BO will somehow be a worse president that him? Confused


I didn't say I thought he would be a worse president! Smile I said that I have no enthusiasm for voting for him ... and that I will be voting for him because I have to, not because I want to.

Don't get me wrong, MBM. IMO, Barack is a nice guy, and I don't dislike him, I would just rather have a different choice as far as voting for a president. While I know he would be better at running the country than any Republican would/could, especially at this point in time, I don't consider him the best or most qualified person for job. He's only the best person available, which is a different thing.

I also think that should he get the job, he will do an adequate job of it. He certainly can't be the worst president we've every had. He may also be an extraordinary president ... there's no way to tell, so, I'm not discounting that as a possibility, either. I just don't know.

On a personal level, for the type of person I would like as a president, though, I'm not happy with many aspects of his policy agenda - they just happen to be better than the alternative. I'm not thrilled with the way he's handled controversy - he's just better than the alternative. He's also made questionable decisions throughout his campaign. But, the other guy offers a less desirable choice.

When I voted for Bill Clinton, I didn't know he would *screw and abuse Black people at every turn* as you put it, just like when you vote for Obama in November, you don't know that he won't ultimately do the same. I do know life was happy and prosperous for me during that time, though. There was good things and bad things that came out it as a whole, I suppose.
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"I mean you've got the first, sort of, mainstream African American who is articulate and bright, and..., and a clean and nice looking guy. I mean it's...that's a storybook, man."
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moderator: WHEN ASKED IF OBAMA WAS READY FOR THE PRESIDENCY, you said:

Biden: "I think he can be ready, but right now I don't believe he is. The presidency is not something that lends itself to on-the-job training."

Moderator: And now?

Biden: I think I stand by the statement."

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Biden: "I would be honored to run WITH or against John McCain. I think the country would be better off."


---- VP Pick, Biden, Josep.


~ 19 So.... Confused....Hillary as VP gives you pause...????.....but,.... Confused...not Biden.... Confused

Whatever. Roll Eyes What hypocrites. And Obama is Hypocrite In Chief. He opened his campaign with the war vote being the only REAL difference in platform from Hillary, and never let her forget it. He USED THAT to set himself apart apart as better than her because of that faulty judgement call. Then turns around in the end and picks a VP, Joseph Biden, that ALSO showed faulty judgement because he ALSO voted for the war. What a joke. He sold his soul to the devil to garner the white catholic vote via Biden. Guess he said, "fugg Hillary's 18 million votes. I don't need 'em." What an idiot. Who the hell is advising him? No matter what Hillary says to her MALE AND female supporters, they (we) are not stupid. If Obama were the least bit interested in party unity as much as they are putting the whole brunt of the effort on Hillary's shoulders to be, then he would have made the half-assed gesture of offering the VP slot to her so that she could turn it down. THAT would have done a lot for the morale of the disaffected voters. But, nooooooooo....that would have made too much sense. Instead, he decides to flipflop and bend over, and expects Hillary to clean up the mess because her political career depends on how well she soothes and smoothes things over. She's already given the most humble concession speech in political history, but, that's not enough. She must now slide down to her knees, undo his zipper, and take him in the mouth. "Full-throated support!" is what the crowd screams for...."Or else!" What a joke this whole thing has turned out to be. And it's just the beginning. munch

Hillary, go on and say whatever you need to say in Denver for the sake of party unity, and alladat. In the meantime, we'll keep it real for you on the ground. Let's just get his shit over with already Roll Eyes.

2012 it'll be Hillary vs. Cynthia. Enough with the political games that men play.~
"I mean you've got the first, sort of, mainstream African American who is articulate and bright, and..., and a clean and nice looking guy. I mean it's...that's a storybook, man."
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moderator: WHEN ASKED IF OBAMA WAS READY FOR THE PRESIDENCY, you said:

Biden: "I think he can be ready, but right now I don't believe he is. The presidency is not something that lends itself to on-the-job training."

Moderator: And now?

Biden: I think I stand by the statement."

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Biden: "I would be honored to run WITH or against John McCain. I think the country would be better off."


---- VP Pick, Biden, Josep.


~ 19 So.... Confused....Hillary as VP gives you pause...????.....but,.... Confused...not Biden.... Confused

Whatever. Roll Eyes What hypocrites. And Obama is Hypocrite In Chief. He opened his campaign with the war vote being the only REAL difference in platform from Hillary, and never let her forget it. He USED THAT to set himself apart apart as better than her because of that faulty judgement call. Then turns around in the end and picks a VP, Joseph Biden, that ALSO showed faulty judgement because he ALSO voted for the war. What a joke. He sold his soul to the devil to garner the white catholic vote via Biden. Guess he said, "fugg Hillary's 18 million votes. I don't need 'em." What an idiot. Who the hell is advising him. No matter what Hillary says to her MALE AND female supporters, they (we) are not stupid. If Obama were the least bit interested in party unity as much as they are putting the whole brunt
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Originally posted by OhBlackButterfly:
"I mean you've got the first, sort of, mainstream African American who is articulate and bright, and..., and a clean and nice looking guy. I mean it's...that's a storybook, man."
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moderator: WHEN ASKED IF OBAMA WAS READY FOR THE PRESIDENCY, you said:

Biden: "I think he can be ready, but right now I don't believe he is. The presidency is not something that lends itself to on-the-job training."

Moderator: And now?

Biden: I think I stand by the statement."

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Biden: "I would be honored to run WITH or against John McCain. I think the country would be better off."


---- VP Pick, Biden, Josep.


~ 19 So.... Confused....Hillary as VP gives you pause...????.....but,.... Confused...not Biden.... Confused

Whatever. Roll Eyes What hypocrites. And Obama is Hypocrite In Chief. He opened his campaign with the war vote being the only REAL difference in platform from Hillary, and never let her forget it. He USED THAT to set himself apart apart as better than her because of that faulty judgement call. Then turns around in the end and picks a VP, Joseph Biden, that ALSO showed faulty judgement because he ALSO voted for the war. What a joke. He sold his soul to the devil to garner the white catholic vote via Biden. Guess he said, "fugg Hillary's 18 million votes. I don't need 'em." What an idiot. Who the hell is advising him. No matter what Hillary says to her MALE AND female supporters, they (we) are not stupid. If Obama were the least bit interested in party unity as much as they are putting the whole brunt


Your girl Hillary lost. GET OVER IT!
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Whatever. What hypocrites. And Obama is Hypocrite In Chief. He opened his campaign with the war vote being the only REAL difference in platform from Hillary, and never let her forget it. He USED THAT to set himself apart apart as better than her because of that faulty judgement call. Then turns around in the end and picks a VP, Joseph Biden, that ALSO showed faulty judgement because he ALSO voted for the war. What a joke.


I'm curious to know how many congressman voted against the war, other than Obama. How many of them are viable potential running mates? And how many of them would satisfy the Hillary fanatics?

That narrows it down to nobody in existence.
This urban myth has got to stop.

Obama did not vote against the Iraq resolution. He wasn't even a member of Congress at that time.

He was running for re-election of his Illinois State Senate seat and during his campaign speeches, (mostly heard by people in that state) he did publicly speak out against the resolution and said he thought it was a bad idea.

Almost half the Democrats in the Senate voted against it.
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Originally posted by HeruStar:
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Whatever. What hypocrites. And Obama is Hypocrite In Chief. He opened his campaign with the war vote being the only REAL difference in platform from Hillary, and never let her forget it. He USED THAT to set himself apart apart as better than her because of that faulty judgement call. Then turns around in the end and picks a VP, Joseph Biden, that ALSO showed faulty judgement because he ALSO voted for the war. What a joke.


I'm curious to know how many congressman voted against the war, other than Obama. How many of them are viable potential running mates? And how many of them would satisfy the Hillary fanatics?

That narrows it down to nobody in existence.


If Obama had wanted to select somebody who had voted against the Iraq war, he could have easily done so.

He simply chose not to. That's all...

Roll Eyes

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