WASHINGTON — Eric Holder, the nation's first black attorney general, said Wednesday the United States was "a nation of cowards" on matters of race, with most Americans avoiding candid discussions of racial issues. In a speech to Justice Department employees marking Black History Month, Holder said the workplace is largely integrated but Americans still self-segregate on the weekends and in their private lives.

"Though this nation has proudly thought of itself as an ethnic melting pot, in things racial we have always been and I believe continue to be, in too many ways, essentially a nation of cowards," Holder said.

Race issues continue to be a topic of political discussion, but "we, as average Americans, simply do not talk enough with each other about race."

Holder's speech echoed President Barack Obama's landmark address last year on race relations during the hotly contested Democratic primaries, when the then-candidate urged the nation to break "a racial stalemate we've been stuck in for years" and bemoaned the "chasm of misunderstanding that exists between the races." Obama delivered the speech to try to distance himself from the angry rhetoric of his former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright.

Holder cited that speech by Obama as part of the motivation for his words Wednesday, saying Americans need to overcome an ingrained inhibition against talking about race.

"If we're going to ever make progress, we're going to have to have the guts, we have to have the determination, to be honest with each other. It also means we have to be able to accept criticism where that is justified," Holder told reporters after the speech.

Holder urged people of all races to use Black History Month as a chance for honest discussion of racial matters, including issues of health care, education and economic disparities.

Race, Holder said, "is an issue we have never been at ease with and, given our nation's history, this is in some ways understandable... If we are to make progress in this area, we must feel comfortable enough with one another and tolerant enough of each other to have frank conversations about the racial matters that continue to divide us."

In a country founded by slave owners, race has bedeviled the nation throughout its history, with blacks denied the right to vote just a few decades ago. Obama's triumph last November as well as the nomination of Holder stand as historic achievements of two black Americans.

Holder told hundreds of Justice Department employees gathered for the event that they have a special responsibility to advance racial understanding.

Even when people mix at the workplace or afterwork social events, Holder argued, many Americans in their free time are still segregated inside what he called "race-protected cocoons."

"Saturdays and Sundays, America in the year 2009 does not in some ways differ significantly from the country that existed almost 50 years ago. This is truly sad," said Holder.

Andrew Grant-Thomas, Deputy Director of the Kirwan Institute for the Study of Race and Ethnicity at Ohio State University, praised Holder's general message but said the wording of the speech may alienate some.

"He's right on the substance, but that's probably not the most politic way of saying it. I'm certain there are people who will hear him and say, 'That's obnoxious,'" he said, adding that what was missing from Holder's speech were specific examples of what painful subjects need to be addressed.

Hilary Shelton, vice president of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, called the speech "constructively provocative."

"Nobody wants to be considered a coward. We've learned to get along by exclusion and silence. We need to talk about it. People need to feel comfortable saying the wrong things," said Shelton.

Holder is headed to Guantanamo Bay early next week to inspect the terrorist detention facility there. Obama has assigned Holder to lead a special task force aimed at closing the site within a year.

Holder's Justice Department will have to decide which suspects to bring to U.S. courts for trial, which to prosecute through the military justice system, and which to send back to their home countries.

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fro appl Excellent! And so true. As an African American Music History Teacher....this is MY "christmas" [if you will] time of the year of getting the word OUT LOUDLY in reestablishing [through programs, events and celebration]the true fact/facts that because of the bone breaking struggles of the Africans.......all Americans are not only FREE but lead the world in equality and civil rights. Many inside this country....don't realize the POWER of this accomplishment until they go outside the country....and see for themselves the stage we have set as HUMAN BEINGS! fro
Interesting article!! tfro

However ... I think a fine *American* line needs to be drawn in the sand, here.

Black people (at least the ones I know) ain't scurred to talk about race! Big Grin It's those *other* Americans that tend to get all discombobulated and nervous ... get all defensive, turn beet red and wanna fight when the subject of race comes up! Eek We can't talk about it with nobody else ... 'cause nobody else wants to talk about it with us!

I'm assuming Mr. Holder knew this when he made the speech. But, I ain't mad at him for not pointing this out! That brotha's gonna have enough of a hard time holding on to his job for what he did say! lol

That was a mouthful ... and he no doubt did piss off a whole LOT of *Americans* (Big Grin) who will not appreciated getting called out like that!
fro But we GOT to start somewhere. I mean kids are still suffering from this "color" line thing...even in this generation! It scares the hell out of me. Cuz we are uncomfortable talking about the social scars that continues to tear this country apart. We got to talk about race whether we want to or not. Everything needs to come out of the closets....in order to heal. Cuz when something festers...you know what happens. And we are still suffering from the festering of yesteryear.

I see young girls and boys affected by this given to them by their parents/community and it is very very troublin. Half the time, they don't even know why but are blindly following the same pattern of denial. And it ALL comes from NOT talking about race.....and HISTORY. And where it all lies in terms of who we are as a collective people i.e....where OUR true place is in the sand called American culture. I'm just sayinEek

fro
Okay ... I can definitely agree with you on the lack of knowledge of our HISTORY, Ms. Koco. And the problems that that causes for our youth. And yes, it's probably liable to get worse before it gets better ... mostly because, #1) a lot of parents don't know the history to teach to their young'uns to be passed down; and #2) the *races* are being blended together at a mind-blowing rate these days! Eek

However ... that *somewhere* that you're talking about we need to start from, IMO, isn't with us in our laps ... it's with those that feel that to discuss race in any context other than their own is racist, and a threat and an attempt to cause division!

I mean, I know plenty of Black people that would more than happy to enumerate the various discriminations and disproportions between Black and Whites ... or Blacks and anybody else for that matter - to anyone who would be willing to listen. BUT ... who's willing to listen?? Confused

I mean ... nobody complains when Japanese-Americans want to acknowledge their history by calling themselves that ... same for Latinos and Asians (and lord knows there's about a thousand variations of them! Eek). Nobody gets mad at the Jews when they pipe up proud to be who they are ..... but us?? Confused We say "Black/African" anything and we're trying to beat up on the entire White race!!

Well, I'm sorry but ... I call bs on that!! Mad There's a bunch of folks mad RIGHT NOW over us having a Black History Month and saying how racist that is - of us - to want to be acknowledged for what we've never been able to be (publicly) proud of until very recently, historically speaking, because doing so was cause to find yourself as some 'strange fruit' hanging from the nearest oak tree!! Eek

So ... maybe all this isn't what you were referring to in your post ... and I'm goign off the deep end about nothing! Smile

But ... that so-called 'race speech' that the article talks about that Obama gave during the election was ALL ABOUT being chastised for the (cold, hard) truth that came out of his pastor's, Rev. Wright's, mouth about America not being the Emerald City/Land of Oz utopia that some folks want to pretend it is!!

For laying down some TRUTH that man is still ostracized in most circles ... and Obama IS the president ... but not before throwing Rev. Wright and some our relevant issues under the bus to get there!

I believe if we ARE going to get to the place where we are recognized and appreciated for our true place within this American culture - we ARE going to have to talk about it ... but it's not us with the buttoned-up lips!! Eek At least that's not my experience! I, myself, would be MORE THAN HAPPY to set a few people straight ... if ya know what I mean! Big Grin
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For laying down some TRUTH that man is still ostracized in most circles ... and Obama IS the president ... but not before throwing Rev. Wright and some our relevant issues under the bus to get there!



See, this is where you have to learn how to focus on the big picture. Obama knew he was going to win all along but as I've always said all throughout the presidential race, Obama had to have universal appeal to get everyone on his side, which is how he won the presidency--not by being some pro-black, power to the people, pulpit stomping, civil rights activist but by maintaining universal appeal.

Even now while Barack is doing the business of being the President, Attorney General holder is active at the business of carrying out what needs to be carried out as an attorney general. Sure, Obama could easily play the FUBU game but that's not what he became president for. He has to be for the people.
quote:
Originally posted by Romulus Burnett:
quote:
For laying down some TRUTH that man is still ostracized in most circles ... and Obama IS the president ... but not before throwing Rev. Wright and some our relevant issues under the bus to get there!



See, this is where you have to learn how to focus on the big picture. Obama knew he was going to win all along but as I've always said all throughout the presidential race, Obama had to have universal appeal to get everyone on his side, which is how he won the presidency--not by being some pro-black, power to the people, pulpit stomping, civil rights activist but by maintaining universal appeal.

Even now while Barack is doing the business of being the President, Attorney General holder is active at the business of carrying out what needs to be carried out as an attorney general. Sure, Obama could easily play the FUBU game but that's not what he became president for. He has to be for the people.


Oh .. I understand this perfectly, RB!! And I agree with you wholeheartedly!! tfro

I ain't hatin'! Big Grin I'm just sayin' how it went down ....
The media is already labeling what Holder said as "harsh" "strong words", contraversial and offensive trying to twist his words as a negative hint to White folk.

And just to keep themselves from being on blast, now they will do the usual: play the dumb, caring uninformed White person, bring up the subject; ensure that they have conservations with Black folk.

Whites will do all the listening (not give up anything) and not lead any conservations (but will bring up MLK and Obama as much as possible in order to keep it calm), keep you on the offense and try to find that wiggle room in order to feel comfortable and stay safe without really sharing their real thoughts and justifications.

Those so-called upcoming weekend "cume by ya" Black & White get together go to church, BBQ's, hang out at the beach, hiking, NASCAR, shop together and dinners?

We'll see.

Hopefully it will not be just one or several Black people (or couple) surrounded by all White folk and visa versa on the other end. fro
Originally posted by EbonyRose
quote:
Okay ... I can definitely agree with you on the lack of knowledge of our HISTORY, Ms. Koco. And the problems that that causes for our youth. And yes, it's probably liable to get worse before it gets better ... mostly because, #1) a lot of parents don't know the history to teach to their young'uns to be passed down; and #2) the *races* are being blended together at a mind-blowing rate these days! Eek

However ... that *somewhere* that you're talking about we need to start from, IMO, isn't with us in our laps ... it's with those that feel that to discuss race in any context other than their own is racist, and a threat and an attempt to cause division!

I mean, I know plenty of Black people that would more than happy to enumerate the various discriminations and disproportions between Black and Whites ... or Blacks and anybody else for that matter - to anyone who would be willing to listen. BUT ... who's willing to listen?? Confused

I mean ... nobody complains when Japanese-Americans want to acknowledge their history by calling themselves that ... same for Latinos and Asians (and lord knows there's about a thousand variations of them! Eek). Nobody gets mad at the Jews when they pipe up proud to be who they are ..... but us?? Confused We say "Black/African" anything and we're trying to beat up on the entire White race!!

Well, I'm sorry but ... I call bs on that!! Mad There's a bunch of folks mad RIGHT NOW over us having a Black History Month and saying how racist that is - of us - to want to be acknowledged for what we've never been able to be (publicly) proud of until very recently, historically speaking, because doing so was cause to find yourself as some 'strange fruit' hanging from the nearest oak tree!! Eek

So ... maybe all this isn't what you were referring to in your post ... and I'm goign off the deep end about nothing! Smile

But ... that so-called 'race speech' that the article talks about that Obama gave during the election was ALL ABOUT being chastised for the (cold, hard) truth that came out of his pastor's, Rev. Wright's, mouth about America not being the Emerald City/Land of Oz utopia that some folks want to pretend it is!!

For laying down some TRUTH that man is still ostracized in most circles ... and Obama IS the president ... but not before throwing Rev. Wright and some our relevant issues under the bus to get there!

I believe if we ARE going to get to the place where we are recognized and appreciated for our true place within this American culture - we ARE going to have to talk about it ... but it's not us with the buttoned-up lips!! Eek At least that's not my experience! I, myself, would be MORE THAN HAPPY to set a few people straight ... if ya know what I mean! Big Grin



fro I say let the chips fall where they may. But tell the truth....the whole truth and it STARTS with history....every UGLY stankin...bit of it. And everybody's truth....not just blackfolks...or whitefolks...everybody's. Cuz whitefolks focked over a LOT OF folks...get that shit out too. Let's talk about it. STRAIGHT. No lies....and definitely no heroes. Cuz as long as we keep bullshitting each other...it's gonna get worse. Almost everybody is MIXED with everybody....let's get that shit out as well. There's not many "pure" folks. Blacks have Indian/white/the kitchen sink....let's get that shit out too. Tell the truth. I know whitefolks want to continue to stick their head in the sand....but! It's time to tell the focking truth. How the Amerindians were RAPED and displaced....How Africans were RAPED and displaced....How the only ones to benefit from this has been WHO? Tell the kids the truth. And then we won't have the skin color race as to whose skin is lighter than whom....or who's hair is straighter than whose....cuz everybody got a little Indian, a little African, a little Asian and a whole lot of whitefolk in them whether they want to admit it or not. Bring in the DNA test to keep it real. And tell WHY and HOW. That's a bitter pill. But so is cancer....so is AIDS....so is anything that is covered with truth.

And until then, we gonna all be in this pus-fill denial. And folks are gonna continue to be lookin to be perfect and unaffected by the ramification of inhumane sores and social woes that have made America what is today...and all while it is killin Americans from the inside out....the same as Rome...but! With a little twist: the festering unhealed wound called self-identity.

BTW: Real life has NEVER been utopia...but! It has ALWAYS been unrelenting truth: hard, resilence and unbending in full circle. For truth is REAL history.....not man's conjecture. fro
quote:
Originally posted by Kocolicious:
Originally posted by EbonyRose
quote:
Okay ... I can definitely agree with you on the lack of knowledge of our HISTORY, Ms. Koco. And the problems that that causes for our youth. And yes, it's probably liable to get worse before it gets better ... mostly because, #1) a lot of parents don't know the history to teach to their young'uns to be passed down; and #2) the *races* are being blended together at a mind-blowing rate these days! Eek

However ... that *somewhere* that you're talking about we need to start from, IMO, isn't with us in our laps ... it's with those that feel that to discuss race in any context other than their own is racist, and a threat and an attempt to cause division!

I mean, I know plenty of Black people that would more than happy to enumerate the various discriminations and disproportions between Black and Whites ... or Blacks and anybody else for that matter - to anyone who would be willing to listen. BUT ... who's willing to listen?? Confused

I mean ... nobody complains when Japanese-Americans want to acknowledge their history by calling themselves that ... same for Latinos and Asians (and lord knows there's about a thousand variations of them! Eek). Nobody gets mad at the Jews when they pipe up proud to be who they are ..... but us?? Confused We say "Black/African" anything and we're trying to beat up on the entire White race!!

Well, I'm sorry but ... I call bs on that!! Mad There's a bunch of folks mad RIGHT NOW over us having a Black History Month and saying how racist that is - of us - to want to be acknowledged for what we've never been able to be (publicly) proud of until very recently, historically speaking, because doing so was cause to find yourself as some 'strange fruit' hanging from the nearest oak tree!! Eek

So ... maybe all this isn't what you were referring to in your post ... and I'm goign off the deep end about nothing! Smile

But ... that so-called 'race speech' that the article talks about that Obama gave during the election was ALL ABOUT being chastised for the (cold, hard) truth that came out of his pastor's, Rev. Wright's, mouth about America not being the Emerald City/Land of Oz utopia that some folks want to pretend it is!!

For laying down some TRUTH that man is still ostracized in most circles ... and Obama IS the president ... but not before throwing Rev. Wright and some our relevant issues under the bus to get there!

I believe if we ARE going to get to the place where we are recognized and appreciated for our true place within this American culture - we ARE going to have to talk about it ... but it's not us with the buttoned-up lips!! Eek At least that's not my experience! I, myself, would be MORE THAN HAPPY to set a few people straight ... if ya know what I mean! Big Grin



fro I say let the chips fall where they may. But tell the truth....the whole truth and it STARTS with history....every UGLY stankin...bit of it. And everybody's truth....not just blackfolks...or whitefolks...everybody's. Cuz whitefolks focked over a LOT OF folks...get that shit out too. Let's talk about it. STRAIGHT. No lies....and definitely no heroes. Cuz as long as we keep bullshitting each other...it's gonna get worse. Almost everybody is MIXED with everybody....let's get that shit out as well. There's not many "pure" folks. Blacks have Indian/white/the kitchen sink....let's get that shit out too. Tell the truth. I know whitefolks want to continue to stick their head in the sand....but! It's time to tell the focking truth. How the Amerindians were RAPED and displaced....How Africans were RAPED and displaced....How the only ones to benefit from this has been WHO? Tell the kids the truth. And then we won't have the skin color race as to whose skin is lighter than whom....or who's hair is straighter than whose....cuz everybody got a little Indian, a little African, a little Asian and a whole lot of whitefolk in them whether they want to admit it or not. Bring in the DNA test to keep it real. And tell WHY and HOW. That's a bitter pill. But so is cancer....so is AIDS....so is anything that is covered with truth.

And until then, we gonna all be in this pus-fill denial. And folks are gonna continue to be lookin to be perfect and unaffected by the ramification of inhumane sores and social woes that have made America what is today...and all while it is killin Americans from the inside out....the same as Rome...but! With a little twist: the festering unhealed wound called self-identity.

BTW: Real life has NEVER been utopia...but! It has ALWAYS been unrelenting truth: hard, resilence and unbending in full circle. For truth is REAL history.....not man's conjecture. fro


ek ek ek

WELL, PREACH THAT SHIT, GIRRRLLLLL appl appl rock cabbage bow bow bow cabbage tfro dance

Wheeeeeewwwww!!!!!!

{ER, fans herself with her hand, wishing the Good Sistas would come out with the 'picture of Martin Luther King on one side / Singletary Funeral Home advertisement on the other' fans they holdin' and cool her down!!!!!

Wheeeeeewwwww!!!!!!

Umph, Umph, Umph .......... well allrighty then, sistahgirl!! Eek 'Cause there's really nothin' more I can say about that! 19 That's about all there is right there! Smile

I could not - and I mean COULD NOT - agree with you more! tfro
What exactly did he say?

It looks like the same old whining garbage about black people and white people ain't all up under each other.


African American kids don't need to hear all these old AAs telling them how much they need white people to be around them and imply that AAs will fail if not, or if white folks ain't around them then they don't have any value.


Telling AA kids this garbage only does two things:

1. Makes white people out to be some kind of gods and pumps up their self-esteem.

and

2. Makes African Americans out to be some weak sorry ass people that need to have other groups of people want to be around them in order to make AAs valuable. This is especially dumb when it needs to be a group of people like white people with their history.


AA kids do not need to hear this weak ass dung.
The cartoon in the 'New York Post' is an outstanding example of the societal cowardice of our society.

A similar cartoon appeared in 'Harper's' during the primary campaign.

Both publications defended their action with statements about allowable 'satire'.

No ethnicity...No ethnicity...is satirized (with impunity) in the media except African Americans.

It's that 'Amos 'n Andy'...'Uncle Ben'...'Aunt Jemima' thing.

If we let this go unchallenged...the media will followup with actors on television personifying the insult.

It took 'hell and high water' to get 'Amos 'n Andy' of the air.

In fact, that happened ONLY AFTER the characters will casted with African American actors.

Ain't it a bitch...our first reaction...like always...is to say that should be MY job.

Then a part of the resistance was to say 'We are just putting our own people out of work.'

PEACE

Jim Chester
I tried to tell y'all he was gonna get them White folks all stirred up! ek



Holder 'nation of cowards' remarks blasted, praised


From Ed Hornick
CNN


WASHINGTON (CNN) -- America is "a nation of cowards" when discussing race. That sentiment from the country's first African-American attorney general, Eric Holder, has stirred up pundits, bloggers and readers.

"Though this nation has proudly thought of itself as an ethnic melting pot, in things racial, we have always been and we -- I believe continue to be in too many ways essentially a nation of cowards," Holder told Department of Justice employees at an event Wednesday celebrating Black History Month.

He said that Americans are afraid to talk about race, adding that "certain subjects are off-limits and that to explore them risks at best embarrassment and at worst the questioning of one's character."

And that impression of race in America has set off a firestorm of criticism. Watch more of Holder's comments »

"Holder doesn't want an honest dialogue about race. In the Age of [President] Obama, 'talking enough with each other about race' means the rest of us shutting up while being subjected to lectures about our insensitivity and insufficient integration on the weekends," conservative blogger Michelle Malkin wrote.

Stephan Tawney, writing on the American Pundit blog, said a glimpse at the national political landscape -- namely the country's first black president -- suggests otherwise.

"Our attorney general is black, both major parties are led by black men, the president is black," he wrote. "Last month, the nation officially honored Martin Luther King Jr. as it does every year, and Holder is speaking during Black History Month. And yet we're apparently a 'nation of cowards' on race."

Ron Christie, a one-time domestic policy adviser to former President George W. Bush, said that for the nation's chief law enforcement officer to raise race issues "was wrong and it was very insulting to the American people."

CNN iReport contributor Jimmy Deol of Toronto, Ontario, called Holder's remarks "a bit strong and needlessly provocative."

"I don't think lack of dialogue on race relations in America makes Americans a nation of cowards. Perhaps most people are uncomfortable with the subject with its complex past. The solution: You tell me," he wrote. See Deol's reaction on iReport.com

Holder -- who said that he wants to "revitalize the Civil Rights Division" at the Justice Department -- said Wednesday that he wants to start a new conversation.

"I think if we're going to ever make progress, we have to have the guts. We have to have the determination to be honest with each other," he said.

And that view is something with which CNN political analyst Roland Martin agrees.

"But what he has asked African-Americans to say is personally, go outside of your comfort zone and begin to embrace folks beyond your particular race," Martin said.

Hilary Shelton of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People agreed that Holder's comments are "provocative."

"We don't talk about race in our country, and he's right. ... We've kind of learned to get along, but we've learned to get along by omitting things," Shelton said. Watch more on the Holder debate »

A reader on the liberal Huffington Post Web site wrote: "How can you read Mr. Holder's comments and immediately decide that he is wrong and should apologize? You are either disillusioned from the real world or caught up in some fantasy to which you believe there is no problem with racism in this country."

The reader added, "Mr. Holder is correct in everything he said. We will never get past this issue until we discuss, confront, understand and then heal."

CNN senior political analyst David Gergen agreed with Holder that there is "too much de facto segregation" on weekends, but he said the attorney general's comments failed to take into account how far the country has come.

"If you look at overall where we've come, we just had a huge, huge debate. And now we've elected a black American, and to seemingly after that to call this a 'nation of cowards,' it's just tone-deaf," Gergen said.

CNN's Jessica Yellin contributed to this report.





Find this article at:
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITI...tml?iref=werecommend
I hope someone youtubed the conversation Michael Eric Dyson and Pat Buchannan just had.

Basically Pat Buchanan said that Eric Holder is trying to start a fight, not a conversation; by calling Americans cowards. So ofcourse he ignored the analogous context of Holder's comment, in order to have an excuse to go on his racist tyrant about how blacks should be kissing the ground because only in America are we able to enjoy quality of living. He (Buchanan) also went on to say that blacks don't hold themselves responsible for the illegitamcy rates, crime rates, and any other skewed and racist statistic he could spew. Eric Dyson tried to hold his own against this absurd onslaught, but much of what he said didn't come across clear because of "technical difficulty".

Buchanan is no doubt racist.
Originally posted Maynard J
quote:
What exactly did he say?

It looks like the same old whining garbage about black people and white people ain't all up under each other.


African American kids don't need to hear all these old AAs telling them how much they need white people to be around them and imply that AAs will fail if not, or if white folks ain't around them then they don't have any value.


Telling AA kids this garbage only does two things:

1. Makes white people out to be some kind of gods and pumps up their self-esteem.

and

2. Makes African Americans out to be some weak sorry ass people that need to have other groups of people want to be around them in order to make AAs valuable. This is especially dumb when it needs to be a group of people like white people with their history.


AA kids do not need to hear this weak ass dung.


fro Your point? 17 I grow tired of your baseless comments. What are you TRYING to say? Come out with it. Or shut the fock up. Cuz for your FYI, we as African Americans NEVER needed to be AROUND psychotic whitefolks to feel worth/value. What we FOUGHT for the right to be LEFT ALONE to go about this land as FREE individuals with the SAME rights as the NEXT white folk. It has been the COLOR LINE mentality developed by whitefolk to debase the psych and self-esteem in African Americans for 300 years as we continued with pain staking efforts building this country to what it is TODAY. Stop with this bullshit rhetoric, CUZ you know white boy has done nothing but hold a whip and gun to force labor [he was tooooooooooo lazy to do himself] upon US i.e. Africans. I say Africans cuz he did this all over the world.....Northern Hemisphere as well as Southern Hemisphere. From the sea to shinning sea, in rural topical islands onto the most remote places in Europe/Asia. So get it straight. It has NEVER been AA as you say promoting to want to be in the presence of a sick psycho white manic who traditionally has physically abused Africans as a source of entertainment and servitude......it has ALWAYS been the European who carries his own torch of self-destructive behavior to wherever he may roam....wherever.

BTW: I could tell you sick stories about how the European pirates used to pour gunpower into the anal and vagina areas of victimized Africans and then set a match to it. Why? Just to see what happens...for their SICK amusement. I could tell you other stories about how the European used to hunt female Amerindians and cut out their vaginas and placed it on their heads for hats...i.e. it wasn't a raccoon skin on Davey Crocket's head. Cuz we all know, since the Americas have seasons...the use of hats were brought in from the European who was used to bitter cold weather. However, the point and the real truth is white men like Crocket and Daniel Boone would raped Indian women and afterwards mutilate their bodies for entertainment...now you tell me who in the RIGHT MIND want to be around or be defined by NUTS like them or for a better word crazy azz whitefolks? Huh? And don't get me started on how the tradition of BBQ came into play....cuz I have vivid photos of black people hanging from trees with their castrated bodies burned to as crisp as whitefolks enjoy a BBQ feast while passing the time away looking at former postcards of previous events......so! What in the FOCK are you trying to say? Again...and I'll say it slowly. Who. in their. RIGHT. Mind! want to be associated with crazy azz whitefolks? Unless they were brainwashed[and didn't know any better] into believing that the nordic whiteboy is our saviour.Roll Eyes

One thing we have NOT been....as we run from the overseer/brutal police/lunatic klan is DELUSIONAL about the racism that continues to exist in the all mighty European. So! Stop playing in here like YOU know what ails African Americans cuz CLEARLY you don't.Roll Eyes Next!Mad
fro
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Originally posted by HeruStar:
I hope someone youtubed the conversation Michael Eric Dyson and Pat Buchannan just had.

Basically Pat Buchanan said that Eric Holder is trying to start a fight, not a conversation; by calling Americans cowards. So ofcourse he ignored the analogous context of Holder's comment, in order to have an excuse to go on his racist tyrant about how blacks should be kissing the ground because only in America are we able to enjoy quality of living. He (Buchanan) also went on to say that blacks don't hold themselves responsible for the illegitamcy rates, crime rates, and any other skewed and racist statistic he could spew. Eric Dyson tried to hold his own against this absurd onslaught, but much of what he said didn't come across clear because of "technical difficulty".

Buchanan is no doubt racist.


That dude is a certified racist. Not to mention, a straight up anti-Semite.
I think the subject of race is much easier for blacks to discuss than whites because whites are at a disadvantage. Race is a very touchy subject; a subject where one can easily get offended.
If the black person gets offended he can always pull the "race card" and call the white guy a racist! The white guy doesn't have this option.

Look what happened when that Hasselbeck lady on "The View" attempted to have such a discussion and had the audacity to suggest that we shouldn't be calling ourselves the "N" word! Even though she was right, both of the black women on the show were willing to "fight to the death" before admiting it and as a result she was brought to tears.

As long as we are unwilling to admit when they are right, and as long as such inequality exists in such a discussion; there should be no surprise that such discussions rarely take place

Kevin
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Originally posted by kevin1122:
I think the subject of race is much easier for blacks to discuss than whites because whites are at a disadvantage. Race is a very touchy subject; a subject where one can easily get offended.
If the black person gets offended he can always pull the "race card" and call the white guy a racist! The white guy doesn't have this option.

Look what happened when that Hasselbeck lady on "The View" attempted to have such a discussion and had the audacity to suggest that we shouldn't be calling ourselves the "N" word! Even though she was right, both of the black women on the show were willing to "fight to the death" before admiting it and as a result she was brought to tears.

As long as we are unwilling to admit when they are right, and as long as such inequality exists in such a discussion; there should be no surprise that such discussions rarely take place

Kevin


White people just need to get out of denial and deal with it. They've been coddled enough. Roll Eyes
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Originally posted by HeruStar:
I hope someone youtubed the conversation Michael Eric Dyson and Pat Buchannan just had.

Basically Pat Buchanan said that Eric Holder is trying to start a fight, not a conversation; by calling Americans cowards. So ofcourse he ignored the analogous context of Holder's comment, in order to have an excuse to go on his racist tyrant about how blacks should be kissing the ground because only in America are we able to enjoy quality of living. He (Buchanan) also went on to say that blacks don't hold themselves responsible for the illegitamcy rates, crime rates, and any other skewed and racist statistic he could spew. Eric Dyson tried to hold his own against this absurd onslaught, but much of what he said didn't come across clear because of "technical difficulty".

Buchanan is no doubt racist.



HA HAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!! I loved that shit!!!! FINALLY!!! Dyson actually grew the balls to attack a white dude!!!!

Do you know how sick and damn tired I was of seeing Dyson attack other black people in the media like a mindless house negro? It's about DAMN TIME!!! I just may have gained a tad bit of respect back for the fool after all.
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HA HAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!! I loved that shit!!!! FINALLY!!! Dyson actually grew the balls to attack a white dude!!!!

Do you know how sick and damn tired I was of seeing Dyson attack other black people in the media like a mindless house negro? It's about DAMN TIME!!! I just may have gained a tad bit of respect back for the fool after all.

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I don't think you have heard much of Dyson because I have never heard him disproportionately attacking Black people. In fact, every time I hear him speak, he is usually talking cold cash ---- about the racial situation in America, racism, etc., without holding anything back --- his poetic chants actually get on my nerves, but other than that, from what I've heard him say, he says a WHOLE LOT more than from what you hear now coming out of the mouths of our now, 'kindler, gentler, politically correct, Black commentators on the subjects.

But as far as Pat Buchanan, --- he has even toned down his vile racist rhetoric against Blacks, at least to a manner in which he now coats his racist sociopathy with carefully chosen words. Otherwise, he is just a klan in a suit who repeatedly cites the same old (slanted) statistics on how '45% of crimes committed by Blacks is committed against white people' and how, (can't remember the percentage) of 'rapes of white women are committed by Black men'---then he goes into his chant of 'how 70% of Black household are single-parent, etc., etc.----now, he constantly does this no matter what the subject involving race is in the conversation. He shouts all this over and over again without mentioning how many single-parent white households there are in America, or how many Black women these "Black" rapists have also raped, (or how many Black women and children were systematically raped and molested by white men for centuries in this country without ANY recourse---continuing to well after slavery), or how many Blacks were also victims of the same criminal that committed his supposed stats of crimes against white people.

He constantly conveniently fails to mention what race the men are that rape white women in predominately white parts/cities of the country, or what the percentage of white people committing crimes against other white people are, especially in predominately white parts/cities of the country.

But just to end on his 'rape statistic rant'--- if his stats are even true, what he fails to mention and realize is the mind of a rapist or criminal and what is common knowledge:

A Black woman is not going ANYWHERE with an attacker,

A Black woman is not going to get INSIDE a car with a man that is pointing a weapon at her---from inside the car,

A Black woman is not going to be out jogging all by herself, late at night, before dawn, through the woods, etc.

A Black woman is probably going to be packing (something) just like he is

A Black woman is not going to be petrified of him just because he is a, ooh, "Black Man" (the white man's own racism has turn the "Black Man" into some invencible mythical creature in the minds of people/white women----Black women know better

But, finally, what makes his "raping white women chant" biased and one-sided, is the fact that nobody talks about Black women being raped in this country, (it ususally does not make some long running CNN, etc., 'special' on t.v.) and I'm sure he purposely leaves out any 'statistics' on the subject to make it look like more white women are raped than Black women and/or that most white women that are raped are raped by Black men and not by white men. He's living in a time warp of when the general white public believed EVERYTHING a race baiting politician said about the, ooh, 'BLACK MAN.'
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Originally posted by Kocolicious:
Originally posted Maynard J
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What exactly did he say?

It looks like the same old whining garbage about black people and white people ain't all up under each other.


African American kids don't need to hear all these old AAs telling them how much they need white people to be around them and imply that AAs will fail if not, or if white folks ain't around them then they don't have any value.


Telling AA kids this garbage only does two things:

1. Makes white people out to be some kind of gods and pumps up their self-esteem.

and

2. Makes African Americans out to be some weak sorry ass people that need to have other groups of people want to be around them in order to make AAs valuable. This is especially dumb when it needs to be a group of people like white people with their history.


AA kids do not need to hear this weak ass dung.

Cuz for your FYI, we as African Americans NEVER needed to be AROUND psychotic whitefolks to feel worth/value.


I disagree there.
I tried to tell y'all he was gonna get them White folks all stirred up!---EbonyRose

Somethings, specifically some words, just set a given person, or people, off.

The 'n-word'...when direct at me...used to really set me off.

'Coward', when applied to America...as a whole...sets off European-Americans.

Bill Maher incurred the wrath of advertisers when he used the word relative to American airmen who killed the 'enemy' and knowingly others civilians.

ABC-TV fired him.

Nothing was said about Maher's guest, a Mr. DeSousa, who first used the word, and Bill Maher was responding to, and agreeing with.

David Gergen 'tone deaf' comment is the epitome of tone deafness.

He had just finished saying the behavior does indeed exist.

Then he goes on to say that the election of President Obama makes all of that alright,...or not to be mentioned.

That...THAT...is COWARDICE!!!!


PEACE

Jim Chester
As long as we are unwilling to admit when they are right, and as long as such inequality exists in such a discussion; there should be no surprise that such discussions rarely take place---kevin1122

I agree with this.

When there is comment about discussion on race, it is usually meant to be directed to a conversation between European-Americans, and African-Americans.

That is indeed the 'hard' discussion.

It think this discussion among...and amongst if there is a difference...us is of equal importance.

Just look at the energy it generates.

The confrontation on 'The View' was benchmark.

We should remember that just a couple of years ago 'Whoopi Goldberg' stated on a Comedy Central show to raise money for the homeless...I think...that she was not an African American.

We are all growing in our understanding of ourselves.

As that awareness grows, we will be better able to deal with our relationship with others.

It is cowardice when you refuse to acknowledge your wrongdoing in public.

Some call it discretion.

It is cowardly.


PEACE

Jim Chester
Originally posted by Afro Saxon
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Cuz for your FYI, we as African Americans NEVER needed to be AROUND psychotic whitefolks to feel worth/value.


I disagree there.



fro Brotha Afro....everyone...is....entitled to THEIR own opinion. As in you...as in me.

BTW: need and want are two different words. They may have WANTED approval from psychotic whitefolks but! They never NEEDED it.fro
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Originally posted by Kocolicious:
Originally posted by Afro Saxon
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Cuz for your FYI, we as African Americans NEVER needed to be AROUND psychotic whitefolks to feel worth/value.


I disagree there.



fro Brotha Afro....everyone...is....entitled to THEIR own opinion. As in you...as in me.

BTW: need and want are two different words. They may have WANTED approval from psychotic whitefolks but! They never NEEDED it.fro


Ok I didn't read it correct you are absolutely right.
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McCain and Affiliates Attempt Our Murder To Silenc Online Protest Of Profiling Attack
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http://McCainAttacks.blogspot.com
(Lesley Hughes Canadian Dimension Magazine:lesleyhughes(at)yahoo.com;
Roch Tasse International Civil Liberties Monitoring Group Ottawa 613 245 5298 ;rocht(at)iclmg(dot)ca Aaron James: resist1000@usa.com
Aaron James and his mother Linda, were attacked on board McCain affiliated Northwest Airlines Jan 18/06. They had come as Canadians to the U.S. to seek treatment at the Mayo clinic for an injury. Aaron was attacked by 5 airport police on the aircraft –after having passed through security without issue- subsequent to his mother being accused of a suspicious bag. It was a retaliatory response to the James’s having issued complaint to Northwest having had their baggage withheld from them 3 days earlier on their trip down to the U.S. The airline stated the baggage had simply been misplaced. In fact, delivered to their hotel 3 hours later, it stated the baggage had been searched due to security concerns- they had been racially profiled.
That airport has had several profiling attacks since including attacks upon the 6 Imams, and David Orsack, violinist for MN Opera. Northwest Airlines has been sued by the ACLU.

Noting threats the James have received from FBI regarding McCAin (Senator John McCain Sends Threats), McCain has Northwest Airlines as the top two clientele along with the U.S. Chamber of Commerce for his executive legal council and Northwest was the official air carrier for the McCain campaign.
Barack Obama Highlights Northwest Air McCain Ties
/#McCain
also:http:/barack-omaba-onmccain-northwest-ties.blogspot.com/ http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com...supporting.php Read MORE- HERE http://mccain-northwest-airlines-goons.blogspot.com/

After the airline attack, they were placed through months of illegal covert terror tactics by agencies including FBI CIA and NSA : phone tapping , silent listener calls, stalking , threatening messages on answering machines, sabotaged legal mail – Sept 11/2007 his line was cut by MTS the phone company, to deliver a message they conjecture. Family friends and associates were all targeted in order to isolate the intended victims (Aaron and his mother) as part of FBI Co-Intel mandate of psy-ops character assassination intimidation and isolation .
The James’s were placed through a secret trial with members and affiliates of FBI CIA NSA and military on the Jury Pool and sent home on the no fly list by bus where more intimidation awaited.
The government of Canada was of no assistance, Canadian consulate merely stating “let us know if you’re tortured yet we will not get involved – this is a U.S. affair- Online material was found indicating the Canadian Consulate is legally required to see to the safety of Canadians abroad and they have been criminally negligent in the matter. Small wonder – the James’s are not their first sacrifice to save face with the U.S. – Globe and Mail 2007 May 10 “Ottawa sacrificed Arar to save face with Syria and the United States- the government fought like blazes to keep you from reading this…” see http://Maherearar.ca
Finding their names had been placed on FBI.gov, the James put up online disclosure of their account fearing for their life, given government abandon.
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On Oct 27/07 James home was raided without warrant or charges, by police These same police are now criminally charged with perjury and illegal entry in separate cases. James personal possessions were stolen as well as intellectual property used to create online material regarding the ordeal.
James was held illegally without food or water, while police taunted about kidnapping, touting , “Minneapolis says it has unfinished business with you…” Police attempted to abduct James to the United States in Minneapolis, but were prevented by the attendance of journalist Lesley Hughes of Canadian Dimension magazine, who confronted them at their station, whereupon police then suggested they were simply administering to a disturb the peace charge- but were only then just aware that it had ‘expired’. In fact there had been no disturb the peace charge and authority to come to one’s home no less get a warrant for a raid, is not provided under law pertaining to ‘disturb the peace’.

The raid was done openly and admittedly –though unlawfully- at the behest of Minneapolis Police, and many subsequent attempts have transpired since, in violation of the charter of rights.

Northworst Air.org ” Sends GOON SQUADS to effect our kidnapping in affiliation with McCain “eWatch’s Skinner says Northwest is now using eWatch to help it target —
for reeducation — the most teed-off of its fed-up fliers
Now, Companies Can Track Down Their Cyber-Critics -GANG STALKING(click)
BW Online | July 7, 2000 | Now, Companies Can Track Down Their Cyber-Critics

The Winnpeg police, claim no affiliation with Minneapolis or intent of harm or legal involvement with the James’s despite the above activities and background of the Winnipeg Police Chief -Chief McCaskill

"Keith McCaskill is a graduate of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) National Academy,... representing law enforcement from...Minnesota (*where Aaron James and his mother were attacked ... and Manitoba (site of Winnipeg Police murder /kidnapping attempts Focus on the OCT 27 HOME RAID / ABDUCTION Winnipeg Police Service :: UD :: Appointment of Chief of Police

Despite their denials, a Winnipeg police officer not in the loop admitted to James’ attorney that James belongings were sent to the U.S. in Minneapolis.
Winnipeg police refuse to give out his name.
Winnipeg police have been at James residence multiple times to see about his kidnapping ,once instance now caught with witnesses video taped testimony.

Threats unto James AND HIS MOTHER pertaining to abduction U.S. martials and FBI are referenced in the police notes! http://www.scribd.com/doc/1239...ous-Attempts-Exposed
Again, the police are criminally charged of their own accord .

CIA and FBI are involved in the attempts:
FBI agent sent a threatening message referencing McCain in the ongoing kidnapping attempts.
CIA agent Barbara Hartwell called in to intimidate James at 23min:30sec into this mp3 after James mentioned
Her name at 12:30 minutes. http://216.240.133.177/archives32/He...208_110000.mp3
FBI put out a radical Jihad Al-Queada spoof website and made several copies which James found
And sent to Roche Tasse Sept 27/08 announcing that this placed him in serious danger.
James was then kidnapped on Oct 27/08.
These same websites appeared in Winnipeg Police notes- along with references to U.S. Marshals kidnapping and more –including threats upon James mother!


Liberal Leader Stephan Dion’s promises of assistance to the James family were IGNORED as EXPOSED BY ACTIVISTS AS SEEN IN THIS PDF Liberal Leader Dion Exposed in Negligence/Our Case !CLICK FULL SCREEN TO VIEW CLEARLY*
AND James website outreach to his executive assistant Gian Luca Cairo and Dan McTeague Critic for Canadians abroad, also ignored. LETTER TO DAN MC TEAGUE CONSULAR CRITICand this, despite Police abduction attempts Focus on the OCT 27 HOME RAID / ABDUCTION by criminally charged police Prince George Citizen - Four Winnipeg police officers facing charges, job status under review and threats unto James AND HIS MOTHER pertaining to abduction U.S. martials and FBI referenced in the police notes! Wpg Police Notes Threats McCain's Murderous Attempts Exposed - Reports, Periodicals & Reports, and 911


The Manitoba Courts under Judge Linda M. Giesbrecht are in collusion with the police in order to cover up the evidence such that James intellectual property illegally seized could be used in yet another secret trial against him in the United States should kidnapping occur.
Having originally ordered that the police must return James stolen belongings, now the original Judge , judge Linda Giesbrecht, claims that although yes, a court transcript of such an order was provided, she did not actually sign a court order,- and yet the Crown sent email to our attorney ,indicating that the police ought to act on the COURT ORDER for the return of property documents and any other possessions-since it was illegal.
Visit: HTTP://MCCAINATTACKS.BLOGSPOT.COM
Brother Eric Holder told the truth. No doubt. And I've found beefy red face offended white folks like Lou Dobbs, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh and Bernie Goldberg to be laughable. As if matters of race is a comfortable subject for most whites. It’s not! Besides Tim Wise, you’re not going to find many white people who are willing to voice their issues and honest beliefs about black people in a mixed setting (IMO).

But to be fair, many blacks cannot discuss the subject without resorting to histrionics and playing the victimization card. I'm sure this heightens their (whites) anxiety and reticence to discuss racial issues in a mixed forum. Any honest concern or comment they have would be perceived as racist no matter how innocuous and sincere. But regardless, Holder was correct and Americans do refuse to openly discuss the reality of racial divisions and polarization. But it's not a one way street. That is the most critical reality all concerned parties need to understand.

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