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As a possible 'sister,' Condi Rice disappoints

By E.R. Shipp
New York Daily News

August 11, 2005

An acquaintance recently recounted meetings involving Condoleezza Rice and U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan. During one, Rice was accompanied by a black military official who briefed Annan and G-8 leaders. At another, a black female high-ranking State Department official. My acquaintance and I were impressed, even surprised, that on the q-t, girlfriend may actually be a girlfriend.

I try to keep that image in mind as I try to figure Rice out, but ultimately I am disappointed. On one hand, she represents what black folks in the '50s and '60s wanted: someone judged by the content of her character and not her skin or gender. On the other, many blacks say, she represents -- and even advocates -- policies that do not advance blacks in the United States or elsewhere.

She was described in the New Yorker a few years ago as "an unusually disciplined, discreet person." That serves her well in this super-secretive Bush administration. But she leaves me cold, especially in recent days when she has allied herself with President Bush's stealth appointment of John Bolton as ambassador to the United Nations, saying that Bolton is her idea.

"She's a good soldier," catching flak for her boss, says Randolph McLaughlin, a law professor at Pace University.

Michael Meyers of the New York Civil Rights Coalition says she is not merely a mouthpiece for Bush. An insider told me Rice mesmerizes congressional panels, neutralizing even black Democrats.

McLaughlin considers her to be "the new African-American, a neo-African-American," one not defined by the old expectations. Rice is, as McLaughlin puts it, "very bland." There is no there there to latch on to. She is all about the Bush administration.

I want to see passion about the kinds of issues that I, and, frankly, many black Americans, care about. Sending Bolton to the United Nations seems to be bad news for the United Nations and for building coalitions for solving world problems, especially in Africa and the Middle East.

Maybe she is this political generation's Booker T. Washington, who one historian described as "self-assured and influential." He, too, had the ear of presidents. He, too, was a Republican. This is what Louis Harlan wrote about this black man: "Washington was a pragmatist who engaged in deliberate ambiguity in order to sustain white recognition of his leadership."

Is that Rice or what?

E.R. Shipp is a columnist for the New York Daily News. She can be reached at ershipp@2003hotmail.com.

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policies that do not advance blacks in the United States or elsewhere.



It is funny that past cabinet members such as Mike Espy (Agr), Hazel O'Leary (Energy), and the others in past administrations never had this type of analysis done upon them.

Espy was indicted for going to the SuperBowl, taking tickets and a plane ride from folks he was supposed to be regulating. The Black Journalists on BET "Lead Story" defended Espy and condemned the FBI.

Why do you all espect so much from Condi but so little from people in "non-enemy" administrations?

I would argue that former Education Secretary Rod Paige has implmented a set of educational reforms that directly help Black people who had been going to FAILING public schools more than any other recent policy.
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I want to see passion about the kinds of issues that I, and, frankly, many black Americans, care about. Sending Bolton to the United Nations seems to be bad news for the United Nations and for building coalitions for solving world problems, especially in Africa and the Middle East.



This is very interesting.

Rep Cynthia McKinney in her old self said that she was going to CONGRESS TO SHAKE THINGS UP!!
She had been critical of her other collegues that go there and "go along to get along". She said that she will work with anyone who shared her views and values.

THIS type of firebrand is loved by those who buy into her rhetoric.

But OH NO John Bolton is too much of a firebrand. He has been critical of the United Nations. He has an in your face style and needs to be more diplomatic.

He is "pro-USA"? What? You all live in the USA. I would love to see the day when some of you must express your loyalities to America or Africa. This may come if the African leaders get their way and have the USA to remove all trade barriers. I would love to see the faces of Afro-Centrists in America as they have to yield their jobs to lower priced African goods. . At this point they will be living in reality and not THEORY or well placed RHETORIC.
I hope Constructive Feeback is right about Ron Paige.

Interestingly, Dr. Paige's program was intentionally underfunded.

A spear without a tip.



I want to see passion about the kinds of issues that I, and, frankly, many black Americans, care about. Sending Bolton to the United Nations seems to be bad news for the United Nations and for building coalitions for solving world problems, especially in Africa and the Middle East.

Maybe she is this political generation's Booker T. Washington, who one historian described as "self-assured and influential." He, too, had the ear of presidents. He, too, was a Republican. This is what Louis Harlan wrote about this black man: "Washington was a pragmatist who engaged in deliberate ambiguity in order to sustain white recognition of his leadership."

Is that Rice or what?---article

I don't think the Secretary of State should approach the job with a 'passion about the kinds of issues that I, and, frankly, many black Americans, care about.'

We often expect the wrong things of African American-Americans who achieve a national status. They are expected to do things for African America in the manner that we demand; in the time frame we demand; etc.

While I am usually less than satisfied with Secretary Rice's representation of her ethnicity, I would be shamed if she wore it on the tip of her tongue.


PEACE

Jim Chester
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Sending Bolton to the United Nations seems to be bad news for the United Nations and for building coalitions for solving world problems, especially in Africa and the Middle East.



Africa would do better to have the REGIONAL COALITIONS THAT THEY NOW HAVE - ACTUALLY DOING SOMETHING to address the problems that they have in the South, East and West.

It is funny how the same people who say "the USA needs to mind their damned business are the same one's talking about the failure of the USA to respond to African crises".

Then you have CHINA. It is scouting the world for partnerships to fulfill it's growing need for resources. So often those AMERICANS who are suspicious about American foreign policy seem to give a pass on China. (These are the "Blame America First" crowd who are first in line to fill up their car with gasoline made from "blood oil")
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It is funny how the same people who say "the USA needs to mind their damned business are the same one's talking about the failure of the USA to respond to African crises".



**Yep...people need to realize that bombing a country for no reason and feeding countries because they have starving people is the same thing.....business is business.......
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Originally posted by Constructive Feedback:
I would argue that former Education Secretary Rod Paige has implmented a set of educational reforms that directly help Black people who had been going to FAILING public schools more than any other recent policy.


I sure hope you're kidding about this! Eek His educational reforms, such as they are, have never been successful. Even it was a good idea, implementation is still waiting to be realized. School boards all over the country are suing the government over this unrealized idea. All monies that even might have a chance to be allocated for it are/will be going to Iraq.

Rod Paige has been made a laughing stock ... just all other members of the Bush Adminstration who believed that someone with intelligence was going to be occupying the White House. Roll Eyes
EbonyRose:

More attention and accountability has been focused on the Public School system over the past 4 years than at any other time since the early Seventies when Title 1 was rolled out.

I understand that you have your political bias that you contribute to the mix but certain points are irrefutible.

Black Elementary students are closing the gap on their performance. Now it is time to get our high school students to acheive the same results.

Even prior to the Iraq War being fought I am sure that YOU were still crying for more school funds. What has changed in your cry?

The Federal Government can only COORDINATE a reform effort. The real work MUST TAKE PLACE at the LOCAL LEVEL. As much as lack of funds have been placed as the main issue I believe that it is the lack of MANAGEMENT SKILLS to transform a COMMUNITY GOAL into a reality that is the issue.

I ask the question once again "What is the Black Community as a whole WILLING TO GIVE UP so that we might move forward as a people?" This seems to be the perfect corrolary to the "By Any Means Necessary" drive except that it is INTERNAL instead of EXTERNAL.
Constructive Feedback,

Regardless of my political bias -- and I am a registered Independent, by the way -- the fact is that the No Child Left Behind program is leaving a multitude of children behind! Accountability is one thing ... what about the schools that still can't afford to buy books for their students? Yes, teachers are trying all over the country to improve the education they give to their students ... but the promise of the tools ($$$) to actually really effectively institute a teaching plan has been left unmet ... by the current Republican President in charge, George W. Bush! (Since you want to get political about it! Razz)

But regardless as to who made the promise, it has not been kept. A major reason for the upswing of educational performance issue is that many local governments have put more money into teachers salaries and bonuses. (But now kids can't have P.E. or other extracurricular activities -- unless the parents want to pay out of pocket for it. You can't have everything.) School boards are now finding extraordinary ways to raise money.

Kids are not learning real-life stuff. They're learning the things that will make them pass those twisted government-initiated tests. Here in Houston, H.I.S.D has to nerve to be putting out a billboard advertising campaign right now about "Look at what we've got going." Houston has been at the bottom of the State educational totem pole, which is at the bottom of the Federal educational totem pole, which is real close to being at the bottom of the International totem pole since I've moved here!! (And guess who was governor at that time? Confused Big Grin) He couldn't do it on a statewide level, he sure as hell doesn't know what to do on a federal level, and as good an idea as NCLB was/is -- and it damn sure wasn't his!! -- it won't work without money. It is designed to be funded to actually implement effective change.

Attention was paid to the public school system for as long as it took to campaign for being elected president. Right about now, only you and I are still talking about it. And you can have all the management skills you need, but you can't run a school district or anything for that matter, without the necessary resources to implement a effective plan.
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he fact is that the No Child Left Behind program is leaving a multitude of children behind! Accountability is one thing ... what about the schools that still can't afford to buy books for their students?



Interesting. If "NCLB" is "leaving kids behind" what were the conditions like PRIOR to "NCLB"?

Why is it that this particular program seems to be of a particular target to CERTAIN Black folks?

Why were they so relatively SILENT during the 1990's on this subject? Certainly you can't say that they were SATISFIED with the public school performance then as the bottom fell out on January 20, 2001?

Maybe PACIFIED rather than "silent" is a better term, ya think? The power of "Permanent Friends" to allow you to put aside your "Permanent interests".

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Kids are not learning real-life stuff. They're learning the things that will make them pass those twisted government-initiated tests. Here in Houston, H.I.S.D has to nerve to be putting out a billboard advertising campaign right now about "Look at what we've got going."


These same communities have churches and community centers who are able to provide these services that have been taken out of the schools IF THE COMMUNITY VIEWS THESE SERVICES and the resulting cultural enrichment that follows.

How many of our great musicians ONLY were introduced to musical instruments via their introduction in the public schools? Please note - since some folks on this board love to twist my comments: I AM NOT STANDING IN OPPOSITION TO THESE arts enrichment classes (school band and choir). I am saying that if the community values them then THEY NEED TO STEP UP to develop a vechile to allow these kids to be exposed to them. We don't have to look to the state or the feds in order to take a step. (This is the CONDITIONING that we have been bathed in for so long).
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Originally posted by Kevin41:
Yep...we should never demand anything from the gov't even if others are doing so.....we do not want to cut into the Halliburton money and make Cheney's portfolio go down..........



Cheyney and Bush will be long dead one day any you'll still be crying out with this same refrain, limited in your vision for other pathways toward success. td6
Constructive Feedback ...

I would say that the "sudden" increase in discussion regarding education and, in particular, NCLB is because GeeDub brought it up!! He's the one that came up with the idea (campaign rhetoric) to completely transform the educational system in this country and make major successes of our schools and our children. Eek If he has kept his mouth closed, you're right, I'm sure that "silence" would still prevail.

He offered a plan. He offered a solution. He offered success. He offered to leave no child behind. Decades-old concern over the education of our children (all children) is what keeps the discussion alive. And it will continue, because still no viable solution has been reached. For whatever gains you want to attribute to NCLB, we are still the dumbest industrialized country in the world. Even with all the brilliant scholars we have produced ... again, bottom of the totem pole here! Eek

In our community, I think the increase of caring adults, mentors, organizations dedicated to going into afterschool centers and tutoring is helping to bring our children's education up in increasing numbers.

And for all the children that are NOT being left behind due to this NCLB program ... would you really believe a majority of them are Black? I don't think so. nono

And lastly ... how many of our great musicians never had any formal musical education? Many were born with the talent. And many of them were not allowed or able to go to school back in the day. No, we don't have to look to the state to become a viable and sustained community within ourselves. You're right about that. We have all the tools necessary to be self-subsisting. And we don't use them. But the "state" ain't doing such a great job of sustaining us either! Eek Six in one hand, half a dozen in the other, and we're still screwed!
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Originally posted by Constructive Feedback:
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Originally posted by Kevin41:
Yep...we should never demand anything from the gov't even if others are doing so.....we do not want to cut into the Halliburton money and make Cheney's portfolio go down..........



Cheyney and Bush will be long dead one day any you'll still be crying out with this same refrain, limited in your vision for other pathways toward success. td6


*Yeah....you are a real genuis with your layman's rhetoric CF....you got a lot of
f-cking nerve talking about what I think when you do not even have the backbone to speak up for yourself in response to a direct question...that is some spineless azz blkCON schit...to take your stabs at someone but bitch out when asked to committ to a position...and then do nothing but regurgitate rhetoric that is meaningless...........
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For whatever gains you want to attribute to NCLB, we are still the dumbest industrialized country in the world.


I did not attribute "student's gains" to NCLB. Ultimately it is the PEOPLE WHO COME INTO DIRECT CONTACT WITH THESE CHILDREN that will change them.

NCLB is responsible for the abundance of information on the web for people to compare performance between schools and specific groups with in the schools. It is responsible for not allowing schools to exclude certain groups from taking tests as to avoid lowering the scores of the school (ie: English as a second language students).

The DATA set (and I know how important this is to NMAGINATE) on student performance is substantially better for all those who are interested to make use of to DO THEIR WORK AT THE LOCAL LEVEL.

Despite what you think "I AM NOT CHEERLEADING FOR BUSH OR NCLB" per se. I am seeing an opportunity for BLACK STUDENTS to receive the benefit of SCHOOL REFORM and not allowing what certain PARTISAN LEADERS tell me that I should think have be to be a spoiler against the effort at reform.

For all of the people hating on NCLB we sure don't get much out of them beside the constant refrain "We need more money".

Even though people like Kevin "LAY CLAIM" to the supposed SURPLUS that was had under Clinton as being "look at the great accomplishment that WE achieved." (On par with the concept of "Massa WEEZ SICK") Kevin doesn't take the next step and make mention that all of these supposed BILLIONS of dollars sitting in the Treasury on paper DID NOT GO TO ADDRESS THE EDUCATIONAL FUNDING SHORTFALL THAT HE SO OFTEN TALKS ABOUT.

If you are going to CLAIM this money as your political "war chest" then atleast have it applied to your interests.

(You hear more about Bush's "stealing of money" that should have gone to education using it on a war - even though it is DEFICIT SPENDING but less talk about how SURPLUS MONEY WAS NOT USED TO FUND EDUCATION!!, AS YOU ALL SO OFTEN CHANT. If THIS is not a sign that some of you DON'T WANT TO UPSET YOUR "PERMANENT FRIENDS BY DEMANDING THAT THEY ADDRESS YOUR "PERMANENT INTERESTS" then I don't know a better example.)
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Originally posted by Constructive Feedback:

For all of the people hating on NCLB we sure don't get much out of them beside the constant refrain "We need more money".


It's curious that this is all that you seem to hear. People have been screaming for years that teachers are underpaid (e.g. a substitute teacher in Gwinnett County Georgia gets $64/day if they have up to 2 years of college and $80/day if they have over 2 years. Are you really going to be able to attract top quality teachers if that is the scale that they get paid from??? Confused ), that poorer schools need new books and teaching materials etc., that schools need to be rebuilt, etc. It seems rather clear that those who focus solely on cost are not really interested in solutions.

BTW - where is the discussion of costs vis-a-vis our policy in Iraq? td6 scream upset td6
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Originally posted by Constructive Feedback:

For all of the people hating on NCLB we sure don't get much out of them beside the constant refrain "We need more money".


It's curious that this is all that you seem to hear. People have been screaming for years that teachers are underpaid (e.g. a substitute teacher in Gwinnett County Georgia gets $64/day if they have up to 2 years of college and $80/day if they have over 2 years. Are you really going to be able to attract top quality teachers if that is the scale that they get paid from??? Confused ), that poorer schools need new books and teaching materials etc., that schools need to be rebuilt, etc. It seems rather clear that those who focus solely on cost are not really interested in solutions.

BTW - where is the discussion of costs vis-a-vis our policy in Iraq? td6 scream upset td6


You know that's what I'm thinking. How in the world can we support Iraq and multinational corporations with 82 billion dollars and then some, which is what we are doing, but we can't spare ONE billion dollars to help improve our schools or give free education or scholarships to students who are willing to become teachers in urban and rural areas of our country? This is how you help solve some of these problems. How can you say that giving the Iraqis new schools is so humanitarian when I know for a fact that in NYC there was such a school shortage that classes were being held in closets and a school had to be opened up in an old roller skating rink.
Another money program is health care for all Iraqis. The bottom line is how are you going to do something for somebody else when you can't do it at home? That just makes NO sense.
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Even though people like Kevin "LAY CLAIM" to the supposed SURPLUS that was had under Clinton as being "look at the great accomplishment that WE achieved." (On par with the concept of "Massa WEEZ SICK") Kevin doesn't take the next step and make mention that all of these supposed BILLIONS of dollars sitting in the Treasury on paper DID NOT GO TO ADDRESS THE EDUCATIONAL FUNDING SHORTFALL THAT HE SO OFTEN TALKS ABOUT.



*So you took a shot at me as a house negro when I agree with everything the progressive black majority thinks 100%....but you cannot come out and say whether you would vote FOR or AGAINST Affirmative Action......you have some little bitch azz ways CF...you assert yourself when there does not have to be any accountability for what you are saying about others...but when asked specific questions about your stance on issues or asked to take whites to task for some of the f-ked up things they do you get selectively quiet.


*So in that regard, If I am a house negro....you are like a little bitch who gets mouthy when her big azz boyfreind is around but is quiet as hell when he is not....because she know she may get the shit slapped out her for what she says.....so she has to NOW be ACCOUNTABLE for what she says...you have a lot of fucking nerve to say anything to anyone about how they are....when you go mum like a bitch when asked something specific about a topic....you really do not have an inkling of credibility CF...and like the blkCONS....you only talk conceptual so you can never be taken to task for how uncle tommish and illogical you sound.....but if you want to play little stupid azz games....then continue to show who you really are...man ya'll have some serious behavioral and self-perception issues........
So then, CF, what you're saying is (and I don't want to put words in your mouth, so this is in the form of a question) we shouldn't be looking to NCLB for educational successes, but instead, to be happy that through the establishment of the program, GeoB publicly called attention to the educational system and that's it?? Confused Because it seems to me from the name, that leaving no child behind would be in the area of academic achievement.

And, I don't know what conversation you and Kevin41 had, but that surplus sat where it was and was eventually spent by this president because the Congress would not allocate the money for any real necesary purposes (i.e. education, health, socical security, etc.). They sat on it until Bush could come and give it to the Iraqis! Smile

(And, msprettygirl, we're past $200 billion now. The $85 was just the first installment.) Roll Eyes
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So then, CF, what you're saying is (and I don't want to put words in your mouth, so this is in the form of a question) we shouldn't be looking to NCLB for educational successes, but instead, to be happy that through the establishment of the program, GeoB publicly called attention to the educational system and that's it?? Confused Because it seems to me from the name, that leaving no child behind would be in the area of academic achievement.

And, I don't know what conversation you and Kevin41 had, but that surplus sat where it was and was eventually spent by this president because the Congress would not allocate the money for any real necesary purposes (i.e. education, health, socical security, etc.). They sat on it until Bush could come and give it to the Iraqis! Smile

(And, msprettygirl, we're past $200 billion now. The $85 was just the first installment.) Roll Eyes


From an article I read...

Clinton hammered away Thursday on Republicans to pass education packages advocated by Democrats. The White House wants $1.75 billion to hire more teachers in public schools and reduce class sizes, and another $1 billion for teacher training. The White House also wants to underwrite school construction bonds at the local level for 6,000 schools. That measure would cost $8 billion over 5 years.

Republicans have agreed to boost education spending, but want the money to go directly to states for education priorities states set. Democrats want the federal government to dole out the funds. "They support block grants with no accountability to ensure that a single teacher will be hired or a single classroom fixed," Gephardt said. "The time has come to stop these delays, stop the foot-dragging, stop the obfuscating."

But Republicans said today they support education funding, but not control from Washington.

"Improving education is one of our top priorities," Oklahoma Republican and Conference Chairman Rep. J.C. Watts said. "However, the education debate is not about money. It is about federal versus local control of schools and our children's future. The Republican Congress simply differs with Democrats on who should control our children's education: Washington or parents and teachers."

Republicans and Democrats are also sparred Thursday over how or whether to fund school construction. The plan advocated by Democrats would require the Davis-Bacon act to apply to the construction. That law requires federal projects to pay "prevailing" wage rates which almost always means union rates. Democrats said the federal funding for school construction means the law applies. Republicans said Democrats are simply insisting on an education bill that benefits unions.

Republicans also said that Davis-Bacon will increase the overall cost of school construction. "It is what they are trying to do as part of an end-game," House Ways & Means spokesperson Greg Crist said.

Labor unions have donated $12 million to politicians during the 2000 election cycle, according to the nonprofit Center for Responsive Politics. Of that money, 98 percent has gone to Democrats.


*Funny how they were supporting that states rights southern strategy bullschit and now today they want national standards....to think that a dumbazz like bush is innovative in any form or fashion....and I do not give a schit about the "better white man" game...the cold reality of things is...the state of the country now versus the 90's is indicative of what happens when you replace a Rhodes Scholar with a remedial student.....but think about it.......the right and their lackey black cons shy from academia like the plague....because facts reign supreme and rhetoric is squashed...think about it....this is a guy who told a KID that you can be a "C" student and become president.....that's the blkCONS "education president" for ya...which is befitting.......
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BTW - where is the discussion of costs vis-a-vis our policy in Iraq?


MBM:

If Bush had never invaded Iraq DO YOU REALLY THINK THAT THIS REFRAIN ABOUT SCHOOL FUNDING WOULD HAVE BEEN MUTED BECAUSE IT HAD BEEN FULFILLED.

Ditto the text from above to the lead in question of:

"Had Al Gore been in the White House..."

"Had John Kerry won...."


I STILL ASK: If you are not happy with how the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT spends the funds that should go into BLACK SCHOOLS then WHY DO YOU SUPPORT POLICIES IN WHICH AN INCREASING AMOUNT OF YOUR TAX MONEY GETS PAID TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT FOR 536 PEOPLE TO DECIDE WHERE IT GOES?

Why not keep it LOCALLY had have YOU TO make that decision at the community level?

It seems to me that it's IRAQ today and whatever diversion that comes up 5 years from now, 10 years from now 90 years from now. THE POINT IS THAT I COULD RECORD YOUR VOICE AND REPLAY IT AND IT WILL SOUND LARGELY THE SAME IN THE FUTURE.
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How can you say that giving the Iraqis new schools is so humanitarian when I know for a fact that in NYC there was such a school shortage that classes were being held in closets and a school had to be opened up in an old roller skating rink.
Another money program is health care for all Iraqis.


Lord I just love you all.

When I was growing up, in my formative years I used to listen to "Psuedo-Intellectual" Negroes make note of the fact that the WORLD DOES NOT REVOLVE AROUND AMERICA!!!

There are other people in this world who have God's blessing just as much as America does.

He told me that the "NATION STATE" AND CAPITALISM is a creation of the EUROPEAN to allow people who reside on one side of the political boundary to eat steak and the unfortunate people of color who live on the other side of this MAN MADE BOUNDARDY TO EAT THE DISCARDED BONES THAT HAVE BEEN TOSSED OVER.

He said that where as a wild animal living in the desert SouthWest of Arizona or California could freely migrate depending on where the food and water is, the HUMAN ANIMAL, being confined by these MAN MADE CONSTRUCTS OF POLITICAL BOUNDARY AND MONEY must remain, fixed in place - having to starve until this system handed him crumbs. He is DENIED his normal animal instict to migrate to where the abundance is to feed his family all because of CAPTITALISM AND THE NATION STATE THAT WERE INTRODUCED IN EUROPE BY OUR OPPRESSORS.

He said that this capitalist world has MONEY being the determining factor as to who lived in comfort and who starved.

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Now it is a PURE CRUEL JOKE that you would fix your mind to compare the SCHOOLS IN NEW YORK CITY WITH THAT OF THE CONDITION OF THE SCHOOLS IN IRAQ.

IT IS MORE CLEAR THAT YOU HAVE ADOPTED THE MENTALITY OF YOUR LONG TIME OPPRESSOR WHEN IT COMES TO RESOURCE ALLOCATION.

While you reside in the resource abundant United States, having the misfortune of living in a POCKET that is inside of the container of wealth that has less resources THE BULK OF THE REST OF THE WORLD LIVES A LIFE OF DESPERATION AND SQUALLOR.

YOU ARE LIVING AS PART OF THE RICHEST 1% OF THE WORLD - AND YOU ARE ACTING THE PART - JUST LIKE THE RICHEST 1% OF AMERICA SEEKS TO PROTECT IT'S RESOURCES FROM THE HUNGRY MOUTHS OF THE POORER 60% OF THE UNITED STATES AS IT COMES TO REDISTRIBUTE THESE RESOURCES SO THAT THEY CAN LIVE.

When did YOU adopt the ways of your OPPRESSOR, my brother?

How are you so fooled as to believe that 'OUR MONEY' is being spent OUTSIDE OF THE COUNTRY? At what point did you receive your ATM card to draw upon "OUR MONEY"?
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Clinton only wanted to spend $8 million dollars of a trillion-plus dollar surplus ... and they said no!



PLEASE GO BACK AND RE-READ YOUR POST.

CLINTON ONLY WANTED TO SPEND XXXXXXXX

"You got TRILLIONS IN THE BANK BOSS? (AND WE JUST KNOW THAT YOU SUPPORT REPERATONS FOR US BOSS. WE KNOW THAT NEXT TIME AROUND WHEN WE ASK FOR OUR "FAIR SHARE" THAT YOU WILL BE A BIT MORE GIVING IN THE BALANCE. I DON'T WANT TO UPSET YOU AS OUR 'PERMANENT FRIEND' GOING AND STICKING A 'PERMANENT INTEREST' DEMAND IN ON YOU AND MAKING YOU MAD AND ALL. YOU HAVE BEEN SO GOOD TO US MR. CHARLIE. YOU HAVE ONLY BEAT US WHEN WE KNOW THAT WE NEEDED IT.).

But you gonna break off us a few million dollars from this TRILLION DOLLAR SURPLUS THAT WE WORKED TOGETHER WITH YOU TO BUILD, BOSS?

WHY BLESS YOU SIR, BLESS YOU SIR. YOU ARE ONE COURAGIOUS SOUL YOU ARE SIR".


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It is SIMPLY AMAZING HOW BRAINWASHED SOME OF YOU ARE.

How many of you have actually read "Uncle Tom's Cabin"?

Uncle Tom was actually a leader. He realized that he could not do anything about his condition of servitude so he worked hard to learn as much as possible and took on his burden of telling the gospel of Christ to the rest of the Africans who were in a condition of Slavery.

He showed himself to be so skilled at management that his captor entrusted him with the financial books of the plantation. Uncle Tom began to treat the MASTERS RESOURCES LIKE HE WOULD TREAT HIS OWN.

Some of you in your CONDITIONED STATE have laid claim to the SUPPOSED SURPLUS that was on the books during the LATE 1990'S AS YOUR OWN!!!! "What a great job we have done together with Clinton" is the rationalization that many a Black person can be heard saying. Despite the fact that the overwhelming bulk of this money came from the confluence of Wall Street Funding for Silicone Valley ventures that allowed capital to flow in our economy absent much of the normal scrutiny of such funding - many of you who ordinarily HATE CAPITALISM BECAUSE IT IS EXPLOITATIVE seem to have CLEAVED ONTO THESE FUNDS AS IF THEY WERE YOUR OWN.

I would be more impressed if you all were to take what you have learned and RECREATE THE SAME THING IN YOUR OWN COMMUNITIES like our ancestors did EXECEPT they did not have the protection of the law to provide punishment to anyone who came in and burned our property down. Today WE DON'T HAVE SUCH A THREAT. We have been lulled into the false hope of OUTSOURCING our development on to the other man's wagon and haven't noted how much our dreams have been deferred and pacified.
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When did YOU adopt the ways of your OPPRESSOR, my brother?



Racist klan types suppport bans on AA as a way to keep blacks out of jobs and colleges.....see what was an integral part of david duke's campaign platform.....racist attacks on AA.....but blackCONS support the same thing....and many are ashamed to admit it based on the illogical and shameful nature of supporting others in their quest to hurt their own.....and the people who they are affiliated with by policy congruence......now not only did the blkCON adopt the ways of racist whites....they do at the expense of their brothers, sisters nephews, nieces and grandchildren.....and not only have they been alienated by the black race....many have been alienated by their own families....that, my brother is the house negro at his finest......
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Racist klan types suppport bans on AA as a way to keep blacks out of jobs and colleges.



Kevin:

Please answer this question with all of the HONESTY that you have in you:

"Does the absence of Affirmative Action KEEP BLACK PEOPLE OUT OF COLLEGE?"

Suplemental material:

Is it out of ALL COLLEGES or just a particular COMPETITIVE COLLEGE?

IF THE ABSENCE OF AFFIRMATIVE ACTION the main problem or are there problems "UPSTREAM" that have you to be DEPENDENT ON Affirmative Action to factor in for these problems?

Are the UPSTREAM PROBLEMS broken BEYOND YOUR CAPACITY TO FIX THEM?

Does AFFIRMATIVE ACTION MAXIMIZE THE NUMBER OF BLACK STUDENTS OBTAINING A COLLEGE ADMISSION FORM?

WOULD FIXING THIS "UPSTREAM PROBLEM" RESULT IN MORE BLACK APPLICANTS BOTH APPLYING AND BEING ACCPEPTED?


YES THIS IS RHETORIC. Yes I have provided NO DATA.

YES, HOWEVER, you know with EVERYTHING INSIDE OF YOU THAT I SPEAK THE TRUTH!!!!

Though I am supposed to be the "weak Uncle Tom Character" in this play YOU ALL ARE THE WEAK MINDED CAST MEMBERS WHO CAN'T SEE BEYOND THE CURRENT CONDITIONING THAT YOU HAVE!!!

You are unable to TAP THE BLACK COMMUNITY, HAVING 100% BUY IN ON THE MISSION.

You cannot lay out the plan: FOLLOW THIS PLAN, DO THE HEAVY LIFTING NOW, WE ALL BENEFIT IN THE LONG RUN.

Instead KEVIN FIGHTS FOR "AFFIRMATIVE ACTION" RATHER THAN FOR EDUCATION FOR THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF BLACK PEOPLE. YOU ARE SCARED MAN!!! YOU DOUBT YOUR OWN PEOPLE'S ABILITY TO SEE A FORK IN THE ROAD AND TO MAKE THE CHOICE AND TO FOLLOW UP.

This is because the BLACK CULTURE that should be there to SUPPORT EVERYONE AS THEY STRUGGLE ALONG THIS HARDER PATH HAS BEEN EMASCULATED BY THE LIKES OF TED KENNEDY AND OTHERS WHO GIVE YOU FISH!!!!!

I AM THROUGH WITH YOU
quote:
You are unable to TAP THE BLACK COMMUNITY, HAVING 100% BUY IN ON THE MISSION.

You cannot lay out the plan: FOLLOW THIS PLAN, DO THE HEAVY LIFTING NOW, WE ALL BENEFIT IN THE LONG RUN.


What do the Conservatives have in mind that will get 100% compliance? What plan have you laid out? What plan has Condi Rice and the likes drawn out, so that 'WE ALL BENEFIT IN THE LONG RUN'? And what do you mean by WE?
quote:
Kevin:

Please answer this question with all of the HONESTY that you have in you:

"Does the absence of Affirmative Action KEEP BLACK PEOPLE OUT OF COLLEGE?"

Suplemental material:

Is it out of ALL COLLEGES or just a particular COMPETITIVE COLLEGE?

IF THE ABSENCE OF AFFIRMATIVE ACTION the main problem or are there problems "UPSTREAM" that have you to be DEPENDENT ON Affirmative Action to factor in for these problems?

Are the UPSTREAM PROBLEMS broken BEYOND YOUR CAPACITY TO FIX THEM?

Does AFFIRMATIVE ACTION MAXIMIZE THE NUMBER OF BLACK STUDENTS OBTAINING A COLLEGE ADMISSION FORM?

WOULD FIXING THIS "UPSTREAM PROBLEM" RESULT IN MORE BLACK APPLICANTS BOTH APPLYING AND BEING ACCPEPTED?



**If you can answer the simple question of whether you would vote to repeal or keep AA in an election, I will gladly answer all of your questions.....as simple as they are....mine are simple also but you seem to have some degree of diffculty answering them......the ball is in your court....as it has been for a while.......
and by the way...the racist right, bob jones "don't date a nigga" university, the klan all support banning affirmative action.....that is just a statement of the fact.....if i were black, I would wonder who is doing something wrong (me or them) with us being politically aligned on a issue that concerns blacks....



Since some like to quote the klan and agree wit their views here is their stance on ths issue.....like me, the klan can say where they come from honestly....and I respect that....I don't like it...but i respect honesty.....good or bad......

American Knights of the Ku Klux Klan:
In Their Own Words:



"The Klan is strongly opposed to the insane policies that discriminate against White people in favor of unqualified and lazy niggers. We shall abolish affirmative action and minority quota systems. All unqualified blacks will be removed from positions of power and influence in our government. The Klan will launch a massive campaign to liberate our cities from the black gangs that presently terrorize them."
(from the American Knights' Platform)


THE KU KLUX KLAN: A SECRET HISTORY goes beyond the flaming crosses and beneath the robes to reveal the dark heart of this controversial organization. Authors David Chambers (Hooded Americanism) and Wyn Craig Wade (The Fiery Cross) trace the history of the Clan from its birth in 1866 to the present day. Discover how it has adapted to changing realities and responded to "crises" like the Civil Rights Movement and affirmative action.


Today, members of the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan have published documents with their mission and their beliefs. They maintain that they do not hate blacks or Jews. Instead, they claim that people should not get jobs because of the color of their skin. If they do not have the white "politically correct" color of skin, they should not be employed into the American work force. Along with this, members of the KKK wish to rid America of affirmative action policies and special programs to those who are not of the white race.



**Now if you want to talk about adopting the ways of the oppressor....this is as clear of an example on the part of the house negros that it can get..these people are the blkCONS political soulmates...and never think that there is anything strange about that fact....and I bet all of you one thing....I bet a blkCON will illicit praise from these types before a black man like me will...that I will put the bank on....and you would too...
one for the road since you have varyin comprehension levels CF.....

They see their organization as a movement to separate different races. People should interact and live with people of their race, and by no means marry anyone else from another race. They have a specific 12 point plan that they see as their goals for the future. They are as follows, stop immigration, drug tests for welfare recipients, quarantine AIDs carriers, all American businesses owned by Americans, do away with free trade, death penalty for drug dealers, workfare not welfare, get rid of affirmative action it's reverse discrimination, no gun control, and bring back the Bible



*These are you-know-who's homies....I hope he reads it without knowing I am talking about HIM.....but any black on the side of these inbreds on ANY issue should re-examine how they grew up to think......
quote:
If you can answer the simple question of whether you would vote to repeal or keep AA in an election



Let me get this out of the way as an EXCUSE in your way.

My view of the most recent Supreme Court case involving Affirmative Action is that this program should only be temporary and CORRECTIVE in nature. I was actually glad that O'Conner and Ginsberg put a 25 year vista on the program.

On another message board at the time of the ruling a suggested that the BLACK COMMUNITY use this 25 year reference to peg our efforts at SCHOOL REFORM so that our DEPENDENCY on Affirmative Action would subside.

Specifically to your question if AA were put up to a ballot initiative I would make comments during the pre-election debates that would take place with the same line of reasoning as I am making now. I would tell of the imporants for the Black community to invest in REAL reform and then YES, making such an effort as a condition of us letting go of AA. I would vote to repeal it.

Unfortunately with the "Glass Half Full" messages coming from the so-called "Black Leadership" the demise of AA would be seen as the demise of the Black College student rather than them putting forth messages that are more DIRECTIVE in nature to Black Parents, Black students and the communities that they live within.

With regard to government contracting I can see that governments have a greater need to insure more broadbased participation in contracting. I would prefer to see smaller contracts let so that more firms can bid. I would rather see as some counties in Florida have - vendor certification programs in which minority vendors are provided with training on what the county expects. A fixed number of firms are certified each year and the bids go out to these firms. Failing these initatives working yes I would support AA in government contracting.
quote:
I would vote to repeal it.
Got Damn!!!! It only took 1000 postings but hey, I'll give you credit, YOU FINALLY ANSWERED A QUESTION!!! (Your Dick-in-the-ASS Diatribe, notwithstanding...)

Nobody asked your sorry AVOIDING ASS for a speech RHETORIC MAN! Broken Records being your forte... unfortunately for us, you've shared the same line of unthinking too many times before.

And the tragic thing about it is (tragic for you, that is), is that none of the stuff you said even began to make a rationale for your never even thinly veiled position. Nothing you said told us why you would prefer AA be repealed. You only mentioned the idea of "Dependency" and "School Reform"... but you also feigned as if you were all about making/working a plan To Use The 25 year Window To WANE Us Off AA.

Now your position is, if you had your druthers, is to make us go "cold turkey" off of our supposed AA ADDICTION.

And the contracting thing... Well, that's pretty sad too. You are such a mindless POSER!!
But maybe you can explain what this means:
Failing these initatives working yes I would support AA in government contracting.

I mean, I have no idea of what you're saying. Seems to me you wanted to say you would really only support AA in gov't contracting if there are reforms... but the little English I learned tells me your sentence says you would support AA (only) if your suggested reforms fail. Doesn't make sense because your reforms are still a form of AA. So either way you support AA in gov't contracting, Reform Or Not?

Ummm.... where is your "Dependency" clauses there? Ummm.... "I would rather see as some counties [with] programs in which minority vendors are provided with training on what the county expects" is... ummm.... from a training standpoint DEPENDENCY ON SOMEBODY ELSE.

How is DEPENDENCY (for training) acceptable, even preferred, by you when it comes to contracting... but "Dependency" when it comes to AA in higher education (ah... like the place where some "training" occurs) is a big fat Ballot Initiative NO! NO! (NO! AA) for you?

But, why am I thinking anything a CONservative in this day and age and the Context or rather Frame Of Reference from which you speak would ever make any sense. Having some views that don't quite mesh... I can accept. But for you to have ideas that are BLATANT CONTRADICTIONS of each other, that's just too damn much to even begin to credit you with having a fuckin' clue.

There's a brother from another message board whose position on/against AA I completely respect because what he says in a fashion similar to yours (about focusing on what we can and must do for ourselves) makes logical sense and logically connects with the sum total of his views. But your shit is always so convoluted and contradictory... And you NEVER... EVER substantiate the shit you say or even address the core issue.
quote:
Originally posted by Constructive Feedback:
But you gonna break off us a few million dollars from this TRILLION DOLLAR SURPLUS THAT WE WORKED TOGETHER WITH YOU TO BUILD, BOSS?


Hmmm ... apparently, it's a few million more than your friends the Repubs were willing to spend ... on our education, no less! Perhaps us Black folk should pack up and go to Iraq to get our education since that's where the money is? Confused Confused Ya think?

I was trying to be on your side, CF. But what Uncle Tom's Cabin has to do with Congress not releasing funds from a trillion dollar surplus to enhance the educational needs of our children is a stretch to far for me to try to go with you. Eek Eek

I don't believe you deserve the kind of rudeness that Nmaginate tends to throw at you (in fact, the last person who spoke like him was banned for life!) .... but, it's really hard to take you seriously when you give answers such as the one above when trying to discussed an issue as serious as our children's education. Roll Eyes
quote:
Specifically to your question if AA were put up to a ballot initiative I would make comments during the pre-election debates that would take place with the same line of reasoning as I am making now. I would tell of the imporants for the Black community to invest in REAL reform and then YES, making such an effort as a condition of us letting go of AA. I would vote to repeal it.




* Nmaginate has already informed you how silly and ignorant you sound. I do not even know what you are talking about with all that conditional bullschit you attached to your answer and I am not going to make the effort to try since all that is extra unrelated garbage ...I asked you whether you would vote to REPEAL or RETAIN AA if it were placed on a ballot in front of you. Since you really have a problem connecting logically constructed dialogue.....the way things are TODAY if you had to vote RIGHT NOW without all of that input nonsense.....how would you vote? REPEAL or RETAIN? Nothing else CF....which one would you vote for?
quote:
Nothing you said told us why you would prefer AA be repealed.



Affirmative Action is a LONG TERM bad thing for the Black Community, NCONTINENCE because PUNK BEYATCHES you YOU will begin to FIGHT FOR IT rather than for QUALITY EDUCATION FOR BLACK PEOPLE.

You will begin to believe that to take away Affirmative Action would be to REMOVE THE BLACK STUDENT FROM COLLEGE.

You have zero concept of putting forth a VALUE EQUATION to the Black community:

"My brothers and sisters - the only way forward is for us to obtain in massive proportion THAT WHICH THEY CAN NEVER TAKE AWAY FROM US. We must VOLUNTARILY RENOUCE that which has formerly been our adiction. We must acknowlege my Brothers that our efforts need to be targeted at BROAD BASED REFORM of our culture.

My brother if the White man is permanently corrupted in his view of us, as the recent study on Health Care disparities show us, INSTEAD OF ASKING HIM TO CHANGE WE MUST LAY THE GROUNDWORK FOR MORE BLACK DOCTORS TO BE BROUGHT TO CONSCIOUSNESS OUT OF THEIR DARKNESS BY CHANGING THE ROAD WAY THAT EACH OF YOUR CROWN PRINCES TRAVEL

The investment that we make TODAY in raising up and supporting the whole by RAISING THE STANDARDS AND THE ENFORCEMENT THERE OF will over time be translated in an exponential growth in the number of BLACK people applying for and entering into college. A BETTER PRODUCT OF OUR PUBLIC SCHOOLS WILL RESULT IN A GREATER QUANITY AND A A GREATER QUALITY OF STUDENT THAN AFFIRMATIVE ACTION CAN EVER HOPE TO PRODUCE.

Our life or death CLING ONTO Affirmative Action is a product of the CONDITIONING for mediocrity taht we have received as part of the Great Society.

As we STRENGHTEN OURSELVES we will REJECT such a crutch as the great and honorable Marcus Mosiah Gavery had done under much more oppressive time in this country.

The choice is ours, my people.

If YOU are dead tired of the current then it is time to make the "current times" that the people who will one day live will deal with on their daily basis.

We need to decide which materialistic accessories threaten the completion of our journey through this desert. These items must be left at the deserts edge as our attempts to carry them will have us to die of dehydration along the way.

The strength from the "heavy lifting" that we must do upon taking this alternate path WITH STRENGTHEN US. We must PURGE the thought that such an "unbalanced burden" as compared to the "White man" is UNFAIR. "UNFAIRNESS" has no place without the possession of the POWER to judge and implement YOUR "fairness".
CF,

I see the illogical nature of your own philosophy has reduced me to a punk beyatch...that schit is hilarious......The part below is a portion of a post that I placed under the article about Roberts in another thread. You are funny in the sense you cannot even answer a question in a straightforward manner AFTER being asked the motherf-ker 1000 times...not to mention the other 5 or 6 you skip all together....i'llbe damned if I ask you shit 500 times to get five answers...f-k you in that respect....but you do offer a pretty sad azz level of substantiation for that schit you espouse CF.....never nothing but conceptual rhetoric....you should go to school a take a scientific course CF....it will force you to learn how to answer a question with a concise and SPECIFIC and RELEVANT, RELATED answer.


But I'm kool on the blkCONS and ya'll can go on about your f-king bizzness because we do not have any goals in common....I am a do-er...I have to have measurable results of effectiveness for everything I do...I do not have time to bask in the ambiguous and vague world of the rhetorical...man, I have a scientific background....trying some vague warm and fuzzy shit would break me out and give me the hives...but the paragraph from the article below and my explanation of the blkCONS affiliation with those types...shows why the blkCON has never done shit for the black race but talk stupid shit, work adversely to the opportunities other blacks utilize and get themselves a good job or a handout....and maybe obtain that warm feeling of "being accepted"....whatever in the fuck that means.......



Reagan-era Roberts documents revealed
Some sex-discrimination laws called 'highly objectionable'

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Supreme Court nominee John Roberts criticized state-level efforts to battle sex discrimination, calling programs aimed at promoting affirmative action and comparable pay "highly objectionable" while working as a Reagan administration lawyer.



** Now from that first paragraph alone....it kinda sums up this cat's mentality...but the bigger mystery..is why would a BLACK person align themselves with people os this ilk....when the LIMITED bans on AA has resulted in declining black college enrollment, professional inclusion in some sectors and decreases in govt't contracting and reduction of the 8(a) program that fostered MANY black businesses that contracted in the defense sector, many for multi-millions....now if that shit is not black independence, self-empowerment and all that self-suffciency bullschit the blk con epouses, tell me what the fuck is the logic in killing things like that which have attained THOSE kinds of measurable results without offering any type of alternative.......or even saying why the resultant numbers that decreased from pass AA figures, is something that was supposed to happen, or what made this necessary all of a sudden in THIS point in history......and why should blacks en masse support them on their bullschit lackey mission.....a person who cannot answer basic questions in a straightforward, relevant manner know they are full of schit.....they just really believe in their heads that they can convince others that they are not full of schit and making a valid argument.....but they are not....at all..but they are simply amazing.....
FYI,

Hopefully there will be even more growth and the average yearly revenue will go waaay up....this is a start in the right direction....for real.....

African-American-owned firms increase By Jim Hopkins, USA TODAY
Thu Aug 18, 7:46 AM ET



Cherie Ransom struggled to find work after Bethlehem Steel went bust in 2001, zapping her accounting job near Buffalo during the recession.

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Ransom moved home to Virginia, but full-time permanent jobs were elusive, and some employers said she was overqualified. Ransom started a bookkeeping service from her Virginia Beach home, focusing on small-business customers.


Now, Ransom, 35, says she has enough work to consider hiring her first employee. "I was so busy last year, it was crazy," she says.


Her business is one of about 375,000 started by African-Americans from 1997 to 2002, new Census data show. That was surprising growth, given that African-Americans trailed Asians and Hispanics five years before, the last time the Census tracked the numbers.


The 45% jump in black-owned firms, to 1.2 million, was the highest growth rate among the largest minority groups, the Census says.


Virtually all that growth among black-owned companies was in mom-and-pop firms, often started at home. Annual revenue averaged $21,000. Few had paid employees.


Other minority groups also owed big gains primarily to growth in tiny start-ups. There are "clearly challenges ahead" in creating a sizable number of big minority-owned companies with multimillion-dollar revenues, says Betsy Zeidman, an expert on new markets at the Milken Institute, a think tank in Santa Monica, Calif.


Economists will spend years debating why black business ownership grew so much. The figures might be revised as the Census analyzes them further. Yet, clues emerge in government labor statistics and in interviews with new black entrepreneurs:


"¢Job losses. Compared with other groups, a bigger share of African-Americans lost jobs from 2001 to 2002 after the recession. That forced some laid-off workers to start companies.


Black employment fell 0.9%, vs. a 0.4% loss for whites, a USA TODAY analysis of Bureau of Labor Statistics data show. Asian-American employment rose 0.6%. Employment among Hispanics, who can be of any race, jumped 2.5% as their population swelled.


Ransom, hunting work in Virginia Beach, got a list of newly opened small companies from a chamber of commerce. She blanketed them with flyers advertising her skills and asking if they had a bookkeeper. A trickle of phone calls led to a handful of clients. Ransom supplemented her income with a part-time temporary accounting job. She now has four clients and several others she handles on an occasional basis. That's enough to support herself and spur a possible move to commercial office space. Adding an employee would land her in the more select group of African-American businesses, the nearly 95,000 with paid workers.


"¢Lower start-up costs. Technology boomed as the Internet took off and PCs and cell phones got more powerful and less expensive.


Lenders targeted more niche markets, including minority business owners. EBay and other Web sites made it a snap to buy second-hand goods cheap.


Near Cleveland, Ted Jordan spent $6,000 buying PCs and other gear for his two companies, a corporate computer trainer and a kids' computer camp. "Computers come so cheap," he says.


Jordan, 45, and his wife, Greer, 40, had dreamed of self-employment. The chance came in 1998 when his last employer, Sun Microsystems, wanted him to take a job he didn't like. "I said, 'Maybe this is the time.' "


North of Chicago, Robert Smith, 31, started a public-relations firm in 1998 from his kitchen table to advise companies chasing minority customers, especially African-Americans and Hispanics.


He first used computers at the public library, opening free e-mail accounts. Next, he bought used PCs for $450, then added a cell phone and a $700 photocopier.


He started Robert Smith & Associates in Rockton, Ill., when he couldn't find a job in his field, paralegal work. He began a child-support collection agency in 1996. While promoting that, he discovered he had a gift for publicity. "I was bitten by the bug," he says.

Smith expects at least $500,000 in revenue this year.

Pipeline to big business

The rise in African-American entrepreneurship comes as big companies and government agencies beef up supplier networks with more minority-owned companies.

In the auto industry, for example, "There is no American car made that does not have parts made by African-American-owned businesses," says Earl Graves Sr., founder of Black Enterprise magazine and a DaimlerChrysler board member. He says incoming Chrysler CEO Thomas LaSorda "is a proponent of doing business with African-Americans in particular and minorities in general."

As more corporate customers do business with minority start-ups, Zeidman says, the firms and their owners prosper. "They become more a part of the mainstream. It's creating opportunity," she says.


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quote:
What do the Conservatives have in mind that will get 100% compliance? What plan have you laid out? What plan has Condi Rice and the likes drawn out, so that 'WE ALL BENEFIT IN THE LONG RUN'? And what do you mean by WE?



Let me clarify my point. Rather than 100% Compliance, having all Blacks to follow the course I am focusing on putting an equation in people's minds and having them to CHOOSE THEIR COURSE OF ACTION.

IF you want a TRANSFORMATION into THIS FORM (better healthcare, jobs and education)

THEN
this is what you will have to commit to.

FIRST is putting for the message that IT IS POSSIBLE to achieve these things by our own collective methods. [B]Let us drop the Civil Rights LINE which says "THE WHITE MAN HAS THIS STANDARD, WE ARE BELOW THE STANDARD, WE ARE BEING SCREWED". This only has us to LOOK OUTWARD, having the government to bring us UP TO this American standard rather than having the Black Community to build the infrastructure that will PRODUCE SUCH A STANDARD, regardless of where you are located (in America, in Kenya, in Haiti).

While we have had INDIVIDUALS who have used their strength of mind and character to achieve a certain end, we need to build COMMUNITY BASED CONSTRUCTS to have more of the masses to work within to achieve more broadbased transformation.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that White Americans used business commerce to achieve development of their collective and wealth creation rather than having issolated individual efforts.

Marcus Garvey used the power of an organization to achieve similar goals but was thwarted by the powers that be at the time.

It seems to me that if you turn the message around from what we hear today - and we being to tell folks who demand change WHAT THEY MUST GIVE UP and WHAT THEY MUST DO in order to achieve this TRANSFORMED STATE that we will get the UNITY OF PURPOSE that is being sought but managed ineffectively.

People must be made to see that their time spent doing XYZ is a THREAT to what they need to be doing to move ahead in the context of the collective. Have people value their own time more and they will achieve the greater self worth and self confidence that is so often talked about but OUTSOURCED to others to insill in them.

We are in need of a VALUE STATEMENT for Black America and not just more Angry Rhetoric targeting our external enemies hoping that we will unify behind this message of RESENTMENT.

RESENTMENT does not serve as the basis of a sustainable movement
more conceptual lip service that speaks from a hopeful premise without anything tangible to show how your way of thinking can attain at least those same goals you blkCONS worked to reduce...your solution is always for black people to defer all of the resources of this country to white people......and let them enjoy the fruits of this country alone......and I guess your reference to black mediocrity is personal based on YOUR own experiences.....because you imply it on behalf of others but you are the only one who keeps making that reference......so I guess that is how you see black people...period.....I know damn well I benefitted from AA..in the manner Condi did...and even she had to admit it...despite how much she tries to posture as a white man....and I guess since she was a professor at standford she was the epitome of black mediocrity also.....since a racist society could not conceive on its on a young black lady could be that caliber of a student....now she is secretary of state....as a direct AA beneficiary she still had to study and make the grade....like many other blacks who have studied at varying levels....now if you can tell me how AA fostered mediocrity on her part....I will accept being mediocre my damn self...despite contemplating a second doctorate or law degree......you see how fucking stupid you come across with the bullschit you imply?

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