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As a possible 'sister,' Condi Rice disappoints

By E.R. Shipp
New York Daily News

August 11, 2005

An acquaintance recently recounted meetings involving Condoleezza Rice and U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan. During one, Rice was accompanied by a black military official who briefed Annan and G-8 leaders. At another, a black female high-ranking State Department official. My acquaintance and I were impressed, even surprised, that on the q-t, girlfriend may actually be a girlfriend.

I try to keep that image in mind as I try to figure Rice out, but ultimately I am disappointed. On one hand, she represents what black folks in the '50s and '60s wanted: someone judged by the content of her character and not her skin or gender. On the other, many blacks say, she represents -- and even advocates -- policies that do not advance blacks in the United States or elsewhere.

She was described in the New Yorker a few years ago as "an unusually disciplined, discreet person." That serves her well in this super-secretive Bush administration. But she leaves me cold, especially in recent days when she has allied herself with President Bush's stealth appointment of John Bolton as ambassador to the United Nations, saying that Bolton is her idea.

"She's a good soldier," catching flak for her boss, says Randolph McLaughlin, a law professor at Pace University.

Michael Meyers of the New York Civil Rights Coalition says she is not merely a mouthpiece for Bush. An insider told me Rice mesmerizes congressional panels, neutralizing even black Democrats.

McLaughlin considers her to be "the new African-American, a neo-African-American," one not defined by the old expectations. Rice is, as McLaughlin puts it, "very bland." There is no there there to latch on to. She is all about the Bush administration.

I want to see passion about the kinds of issues that I, and, frankly, many black Americans, care about. Sending Bolton to the United Nations seems to be bad news for the United Nations and for building coalitions for solving world problems, especially in Africa and the Middle East.

Maybe she is this political generation's Booker T. Washington, who one historian described as "self-assured and influential." He, too, had the ear of presidents. He, too, was a Republican. This is what Louis Harlan wrote about this black man: "Washington was a pragmatist who engaged in deliberate ambiguity in order to sustain white recognition of his leadership."

Is that Rice or what?

E.R. Shipp is a columnist for the New York Daily News. She can be reached at ershipp@2003hotmail.com.

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policies that do not advance blacks in the United States or elsewhere.



It is funny that past cabinet members such as Mike Espy (Agr), Hazel O'Leary (Energy), and the others in past administrations never had this type of analysis done upon them.

Espy was indicted for going to the SuperBowl, taking tickets and a plane ride from folks he was supposed to be regulating. The Black Journalists on BET "Lead Story" defended Espy and condemned the FBI.

Why do you all espect so much from Condi but so little from people in "non-enemy" administrations?

I would argue that former Education Secretary Rod Paige has implmented a set of educational reforms that directly help Black people who had been going to FAILING public schools more than any other recent policy.
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I want to see passion about the kinds of issues that I, and, frankly, many black Americans, care about. Sending Bolton to the United Nations seems to be bad news for the United Nations and for building coalitions for solving world problems, especially in Africa and the Middle East.



This is very interesting.

Rep Cynthia McKinney in her old self said that she was going to CONGRESS TO SHAKE THINGS UP!!
She had been critical of her other collegues that go there and "go along to get along". She said that she will work with anyone who shared her views and values.

THIS type of firebrand is loved by those who buy into her rhetoric.

But OH NO John Bolton is too much of a firebrand. He has been critical of the United Nations. He has an in your face style and needs to be more diplomatic.

He is "pro-USA"? What? You all live in the USA. I would love to see the day when some of you must express your loyalities to America or Africa. This may come if the African leaders get their way and have the USA to remove all trade barriers. I would love to see the faces of Afro-Centrists in America as they have to yield their jobs to lower priced African goods. . At this point they will be living in reality and not THEORY or well placed RHETORIC.
I hope Constructive Feeback is right about Ron Paige.

Interestingly, Dr. Paige's program was intentionally underfunded.

A spear without a tip.



I want to see passion about the kinds of issues that I, and, frankly, many black Americans, care about. Sending Bolton to the United Nations seems to be bad news for the United Nations and for building coalitions for solving world problems, especially in Africa and the Middle East.

Maybe she is this political generation's Booker T. Washington, who one historian described as "self-assured and influential." He, too, had the ear of presidents. He, too, was a Republican. This is what Louis Harlan wrote about this black man: "Washington was a pragmatist who engaged in deliberate ambiguity in order to sustain white recognition of his leadership."

Is that Rice or what?---article

I don't think the Secretary of State should approach the job with a 'passion about the kinds of issues that I, and, frankly, many black Americans, care about.'

We often expect the wrong things of African American-Americans who achieve a national status. They are expected to do things for African America in the manner that we demand; in the time frame we demand; etc.

While I am usually less than satisfied with Secretary Rice's representation of her ethnicity, I would be shamed if she wore it on the tip of her tongue.


PEACE

Jim Chester
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Sending Bolton to the United Nations seems to be bad news for the United Nations and for building coalitions for solving world problems, especially in Africa and the Middle East.



Africa would do better to have the REGIONAL COALITIONS THAT THEY NOW HAVE - ACTUALLY DOING SOMETHING to address the problems that they have in the South, East and West.

It is funny how the same people who say "the USA needs to mind their damned business are the same one's talking about the failure of the USA to respond to African crises".

Then you have CHINA. It is scouting the world for partnerships to fulfill it's growing need for resources. So often those AMERICANS who are suspicious about American foreign policy seem to give a pass on China. (These are the "Blame America First" crowd who are first in line to fill up their car with gasoline made from "blood oil")
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It is funny how the same people who say "the USA needs to mind their damned business are the same one's talking about the failure of the USA to respond to African crises".



**Yep...people need to realize that bombing a country for no reason and feeding countries because they have starving people is the same thing.....business is business.......
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Originally posted by Constructive Feedback:
I would argue that former Education Secretary Rod Paige has implmented a set of educational reforms that directly help Black people who had been going to FAILING public schools more than any other recent policy.


I sure hope you're kidding about this! Eek His educational reforms, such as they are, have never been successful. Even it was a good idea, implementation is still waiting to be realized. School boards all over the country are suing the government over this unrealized idea. All monies that even might have a chance to be allocated for it are/will be going to Iraq.

Rod Paige has been made a laughing stock ... just all other members of the Bush Adminstration who believed that someone with intelligence was going to be occupying the White House. Roll Eyes
EbonyRose:

More attention and accountability has been focused on the Public School system over the past 4 years than at any other time since the early Seventies when Title 1 was rolled out.

I understand that you have your political bias that you contribute to the mix but certain points are irrefutible.

Black Elementary students are closing the gap on their performance. Now it is time to get our high school students to acheive the same results.

Even prior to the Iraq War being fought I am sure that YOU were still crying for more school funds. What has changed in your cry?

The Federal Government can only COORDINATE a reform effort. The real work MUST TAKE PLACE at the LOCAL LEVEL. As much as lack of funds have been placed as the main issue I believe that it is the lack of MANAGEMENT SKILLS to transform a COMMUNITY GOAL into a reality that is the issue.

I ask the question once again "What is the Black Community as a whole WILLING TO GIVE UP so that we might move forward as a people?" This seems to be the perfect corrolary to the "By Any Means Necessary" drive except that it is INTERNAL instead of EXTERNAL.
Constructive Feedback,

Regardless of my political bias -- and I am a registered Independent, by the way -- the fact is that the No Child Left Behind program is leaving a multitude of children behind! Accountability is one thing ... what about the schools that still can't afford to buy books for their students? Yes, teachers are trying all over the country to improve the education they give to their students ... but the promise of the tools ($$$) to actually really effectively institute a teaching plan has been left unmet ... by the current Republican President in charge, George W. Bush! (Since you want to get political about it! Razz)

But regardless as to who made the promise, it has not been kept. A major reason for the upswing of educational performance issue is that many local governments have put more money into teachers salaries and bonuses. (But now kids can't have P.E. or other extracurricular activities -- unless the parents want to pay out of pocket for it. You can't have everything.) School boards are now finding extraordinary ways to raise money.

Kids are not learning real-life stuff. They're learning the things that will make them pass those twisted government-initiated tests. Here in Houston, H.I.S.D has to nerve to be putting out a billboard advertising campaign right now about "Look at what we've got going." Houston has been at the bottom of the State educational totem pole, which is at the bottom of the Federal educational totem pole, which is real close to being at the bottom of the International totem pole since I've moved here!! (And guess who was governor at that time? Confused Big Grin) He couldn't do it on a statewide level, he sure as hell doesn't know what to do on a federal level, and as good an idea as NCLB was/is -- and it damn sure wasn't his!! -- it won't work without money. It is designed to be funded to actually implement effective change.

Attention was paid to the public school system for as long as it took to campaign for being elected president. Right about now, only you and I are still talking about it. And you can have all the management skills you need, but you can't run a school district or anything for that matter, without the necessary resources to implement a effective plan.
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he fact is that the No Child Left Behind program is leaving a multitude of children behind! Accountability is one thing ... what about the schools that still can't afford to buy books for their students?



Interesting. If "NCLB" is "leaving kids behind" what were the conditions like PRIOR to "NCLB"?

Why is it that this particular program seems to be of a particular target to CERTAIN Black folks?

Why were they so relatively SILENT during the 1990's on this subject? Certainly you can't say that they were SATISFIED with the public school performance then as the bottom fell out on January 20, 2001?

Maybe PACIFIED rather than "silent" is a better term, ya think? The power of "Permanent Friends" to allow you to put aside your "Permanent interests".

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Kids are not learning real-life stuff. They're learning the things that will make them pass those twisted government-initiated tests. Here in Houston, H.I.S.D has to nerve to be putting out a billboard advertising campaign right now about "Look at what we've got going."


These same communities have churches and community centers who are able to provide these services that have been taken out of the schools IF THE COMMUNITY VIEWS THESE SERVICES and the resulting cultural enrichment that follows.

How many of our great musicians ONLY were introduced to musical instruments via their introduction in the public schools? Please note - since some folks on this board love to twist my comments: I AM NOT STANDING IN OPPOSITION TO THESE arts enrichment classes (school band and choir). I am saying that if the community values them then THEY NEED TO STEP UP to develop a vechile to allow these kids to be exposed to them. We don't have to look to the state or the feds in order to take a step. (This is the CONDITIONING that we have been bathed in for so long).
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Yep...we should never demand anything from the gov't even if others are doing so.....we do not want to cut into the Halliburton money and make Cheney's portfolio go down..........



Cheyney and Bush will be long dead one day any you'll still be crying out with this same refrain, limited in your vision for other pathways toward success. td6
Constructive Feedback ...

I would say that the "sudden" increase in discussion regarding education and, in particular, NCLB is because GeeDub brought it up!! He's the one that came up with the idea (campaign rhetoric) to completely transform the educational system in this country and make major successes of our schools and our children. Eek If he has kept his mouth closed, you're right, I'm sure that "silence" would still prevail.

He offered a plan. He offered a solution. He offered success. He offered to leave no child behind. Decades-old concern over the education of our children (all children) is what keeps the discussion alive. And it will continue, because still no viable solution has been reached. For whatever gains you want to attribute to NCLB, we are still the dumbest industrialized country in the world. Even with all the brilliant scholars we have produced ... again, bottom of the totem pole here! Eek

In our community, I think the increase of caring adults, mentors, organizations dedicated to going into afterschool centers and tutoring is helping to bring our children's education up in increasing numbers.

And for all the children that are NOT being left behind due to this NCLB program ... would you really believe a majority of them are Black? I don't think so. nono

And lastly ... how many of our great musicians never had any formal musical education? Many were born with the talent. And many of them were not allowed or able to go to school back in the day. No, we don't have to look to the state to become a viable and sustained community within ourselves. You're right about that. We have all the tools necessary to be self-subsisting. And we don't use them. But the "state" ain't doing such a great job of sustaining us either! Eek Six in one hand, half a dozen in the other, and we're still screwed!
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Originally posted by Kevin41:
Yep...we should never demand anything from the gov't even if others are doing so.....we do not want to cut into the Halliburton money and make Cheney's portfolio go down..........



Cheyney and Bush will be long dead one day any you'll still be crying out with this same refrain, limited in your vision for other pathways toward success. td6


*Yeah....you are a real genuis with your layman's rhetoric CF....you got a lot of
f-cking nerve talking about what I think when you do not even have the backbone to speak up for yourself in response to a direct question...that is some spineless azz blkCON schit...to take your stabs at someone but bitch out when asked to committ to a position...and then do nothing but regurgitate rhetoric that is meaningless...........
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For whatever gains you want to attribute to NCLB, we are still the dumbest industrialized country in the world.


I did not attribute "student's gains" to NCLB. Ultimately it is the PEOPLE WHO COME INTO DIRECT CONTACT WITH THESE CHILDREN that will change them.

NCLB is responsible for the abundance of information on the web for people to compare performance between schools and specific groups with in the schools. It is responsible for not allowing schools to exclude certain groups from taking tests as to avoid lowering the scores of the school (ie: English as a second language students).

The DATA set (and I know how important this is to NMAGINATE) on student performance is substantially better for all those who are interested to make use of to DO THEIR WORK AT THE LOCAL LEVEL.

Despite what you think "I AM NOT CHEERLEADING FOR BUSH OR NCLB" per se. I am seeing an opportunity for BLACK STUDENTS to receive the benefit of SCHOOL REFORM and not allowing what certain PARTISAN LEADERS tell me that I should think have be to be a spoiler against the effort at reform.

For all of the people hating on NCLB we sure don't get much out of them beside the constant refrain "We need more money".

Even though people like Kevin "LAY CLAIM" to the supposed SURPLUS that was had under Clinton as being "look at the great accomplishment that WE achieved." (On par with the concept of "Massa WEEZ SICK") Kevin doesn't take the next step and make mention that all of these supposed BILLIONS of dollars sitting in the Treasury on paper DID NOT GO TO ADDRESS THE EDUCATIONAL FUNDING SHORTFALL THAT HE SO OFTEN TALKS ABOUT.

If you are going to CLAIM this money as your political "war chest" then atleast have it applied to your interests.

(You hear more about Bush's "stealing of money" that should have gone to education using it on a war - even though it is DEFICIT SPENDING but less talk about how SURPLUS MONEY WAS NOT USED TO FUND EDUCATION!!, AS YOU ALL SO OFTEN CHANT. If THIS is not a sign that some of you DON'T WANT TO UPSET YOUR "PERMANENT FRIENDS BY DEMANDING THAT THEY ADDRESS YOUR "PERMANENT INTERESTS" then I don't know a better example.)
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Originally posted by Constructive Feedback:

For all of the people hating on NCLB we sure don't get much out of them beside the constant refrain "We need more money".


It's curious that this is all that you seem to hear. People have been screaming for years that teachers are underpaid (e.g. a substitute teacher in Gwinnett County Georgia gets $64/day if they have up to 2 years of college and $80/day if they have over 2 years. Are you really going to be able to attract top quality teachers if that is the scale that they get paid from??? Confused ), that poorer schools need new books and teaching materials etc., that schools need to be rebuilt, etc. It seems rather clear that those who focus solely on cost are not really interested in solutions.

BTW - where is the discussion of costs vis-a-vis our policy in Iraq? td6 scream upset td6
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Originally posted by Constructive Feedback:

For all of the people hating on NCLB we sure don't get much out of them beside the constant refrain "We need more money".


It's curious that this is all that you seem to hear. People have been screaming for years that teachers are underpaid (e.g. a substitute teacher in Gwinnett County Georgia gets $64/day if they have up to 2 years of college and $80/day if they have over 2 years. Are you really going to be able to attract top quality teachers if that is the scale that they get paid from??? Confused ), that poorer schools need new books and teaching materials etc., that schools need to be rebuilt, etc. It seems rather clear that those who focus solely on cost are not really interested in solutions.

BTW - where is the discussion of costs vis-a-vis our policy in Iraq? td6 scream upset td6


You know that's what I'm thinking. How in the world can we support Iraq and multinational corporations with 82 billion dollars and then some, which is what we are doing, but we can't spare ONE billion dollars to help improve our schools or give free education or scholarships to students who are willing to become teachers in urban and rural areas of our country? This is how you help solve some of these problems. How can you say that giving the Iraqis new schools is so humanitarian when I know for a fact that in NYC there was such a school shortage that classes were being held in closets and a school had to be opened up in an old roller skating rink.
Another money program is health care for all Iraqis. The bottom line is how are you going to do something for somebody else when you can't do it at home? That just makes NO sense.
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Even though people like Kevin "LAY CLAIM" to the supposed SURPLUS that was had under Clinton as being "look at the great accomplishment that WE achieved." (On par with the concept of "Massa WEEZ SICK") Kevin doesn't take the next step and make mention that all of these supposed BILLIONS of dollars sitting in the Treasury on paper DID NOT GO TO ADDRESS THE EDUCATIONAL FUNDING SHORTFALL THAT HE SO OFTEN TALKS ABOUT.



*So you took a shot at me as a house negro when I agree with everything the progressive black majority thinks 100%....but you cannot come out and say whether you would vote FOR or AGAINST Affirmative Action......you have some little bitch azz ways CF...you assert yourself when there does not have to be any accountability for what you are saying about others...but when asked specific questions about your stance on issues or asked to take whites to task for some of the f-ked up things they do you get selectively quiet.


*So in that regard, If I am a house negro....you are like a little bitch who gets mouthy when her big azz boyfreind is around but is quiet as hell when he is not....because she know she may get the shit slapped out her for what she says.....so she has to NOW be ACCOUNTABLE for what she says...you have a lot of fucking nerve to say anything to anyone about how they are....when you go mum like a bitch when asked something specific about a topic....you really do not have an inkling of credibility CF...and like the blkCONS....you only talk conceptual so you can never be taken to task for how uncle tommish and illogical you sound.....but if you want to play little stupid azz games....then continue to show who you really are...man ya'll have some serious behavioral and self-perception issues........
So then, CF, what you're saying is (and I don't want to put words in your mouth, so this is in the form of a question) we shouldn't be looking to NCLB for educational successes, but instead, to be happy that through the establishment of the program, GeoB publicly called attention to the educational system and that's it?? Confused Because it seems to me from the name, that leaving no child behind would be in the area of academic achievement.

And, I don't know what conversation you and Kevin41 had, but that surplus sat where it was and was eventually spent by this president because the Congress would not allocate the money for any real necesary purposes (i.e. education, health, socical security, etc.). They sat on it until Bush could come and give it to the Iraqis! Smile

(And, msprettygirl, we're past $200 billion now. The $85 was just the first installment.) Roll Eyes

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