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Do you think America is ready for a Black president, and if so, what are the chances that we'll see one in the next 20 years?
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As much as I'd like to say "yes America is ready for a Black president upfro" I can't. i honestly don't feel like America is ready for a black president because we are still dealing with issues of racism and possibly issues of inaccurate election processes. There are too many Americans who are still blatent racists, and furthermore there are just as many racists who are discreet with their opinions, which IMHO is even more dangerous. I feel that before America can handle a black president, they need to be able to adjust to blacks in power on other forefronts such as education and in professions.
I don't think this country is ready. And even if by some unforseable twilite zone episode come to life, and an African/Balck man or women gets ellected they sure as hell couldn't be someone with our interests in mind...They would have to be of the same ilk as Condi Rice and Powell...and have the interests of the European/White monied elite. And then they would get assasinated anyhow.
We are about as ready as we are going to get in the current structure for change. Significant change in America's racism has come from a pull upward.

First we have to get an candidate that can hold the ear of the electorate. Many would have had us believe Colin Powell was that person 2000. That sentiment can still be heard on occasion.

Every candidate for President of the United States must have the interest of the United States in mind. It is often said the man must grow into the office, not the reverse. Lyndon B. Johnson is frequently offered as an example of that morphing.

A 'black' President would by definition change the focus of the nation. If he doesn't meet the needs of ALL the citizens, we get rid of him and get someone who will.

The game would be the same.

The biggest effect we could hope for in the ability of the President to structure the Executive Branch of government, AND... appointments to the federal bench.

I remain hopeful.


Jim Chester
"Just as long as the black president is conservative and Republican. Just as long as the black president is against reparations and affirmative action. Basically the black president would have to be a Ward Connely or Larry Elder type." by SweetWuzzy

......but the Conservative Republican Party, nor the Conservatives are responsible for the 3 Ps, in Poverty, no Good Jack Leg Preachers, and Sleazy Politicians, who by and large have been our own Black leaders or other Black people in positions of influence, who have a direct connection to the Democratic Party! Since the 60s, the destructive to the sanctity of the Black family structure, and future posterity of the Black male has been under the policy making of the Democratic Party, specifically through a no good Black elected leadership, and/or others in positions of influence have kept the Black community in poverty, or compounded the number of Black males, Black females, it an earned or unearned jail sentence...., behind bars!

Yo Crip, Yo Blood, Yo Bloodette, Yo Crippette, Black P Stone Rangers, Black Guerrilla Family, the Nation of Islam, etc., I would personally kiss the ground that each of you walk on, if you were to become a "Black Version of the Tales of Robin Hood",.....if instead of bringing wrath on Black people who have not harmed you in any regard, you would:

A. Channel your energy in a positive direction, by taking back the millions in U.S. dollars or its equivalent collected by the many deceitful Black Churches, and re-distribute the tidings back to the community of Black America.

B. Make it your business to peacefully protest with the aim of seeking redress, redress in "Mega Bucks" for the many wrongs of a government seriously gone awry perpetrated against you, and/or the truly innocent from within the Black community.

C. Make it your business to remove that treasonous Black middle class from elected office or if the individual is a blatantly incompetent civil or criminal attorney, have them disbarred, as applied to that misfit set from within the Black community who choose to summons the police to illegally arrest you, trash truly legitimate petitions for redress, and other disgraceful acts,....even if it means removal by any means necessary!

Condoleeza Rice, Ward Connerly, nor Larry Elder, have been responsible for this treasonous and disgraceful activity to which the primary perpetrators have been other Black people.

....and it is not difficult in the least to find multiple instances of the Reverend Henry Lyons mentallity in virtually every community of Black America, to which again, the Republican Party, the Conservatives, Ward Connerly, Condoleeza Rice, nor Jimmy Joe Jankson are responsible for the wrongs that these many disgraceful individuals have truly perpetrated on the Black community!

What is even more alarming is the number of Black people who continue to worship these misfits, even after being taken, time, and time again. I'm trying very hard not to say that the Black community is not a backwards moving community, in that misfits are praised, and those who are ethical, find it exceedingly difficult to survive in the typical Black community!

....In the past I was a member of the Democratic Party. I've been waiting for well over thirty years for the Democratic Party, specifically through our own elected Black leadership to do the right thing, and it is a rare breed to find even one of them who is truly ethical!

The Reality of it Speaks Best!

....but as usual blame Condoleeza Rice, Larry Elder, Ward Connerly, the Republican Party, the Conservatives,.....etc., etc.

The Rampart Scandal
LAPD Settles Rampart Abuse Scandal
By Scott Glover and Matt Lait
Times Staff Writers

11:44 AM PST, March 31, 2005

Virtually all civil lawsuits stemming from the Rampart Division police scandal have been settled for a total of $70 million, the city announced today, five years after an anti-gang officer blew the whistle on widespread corruption and brutality.

The settlement marks "the end of an unfortunate dark chapter in our city's history," Los Angeles City Atty. Rocky Delgadillo said at a news conference this morning.

The announcement marks the resolution of most remaining legal issues from a scandal that caused more than 100 criminal convictions to be overturned and more than a dozen officers to leave the force "” some fired, others resigning amid investigations.

Police Chief William J. Bratton said Wednesday that he suspected that some officers who committed misconduct related to the scandal remained on the job.

"Knowing is not necessarily proving," he said.

The Rampart debacle also set the stage for the federal government to impose a consent decree on the Los Angeles Police Department, requiring extensive reforms. A blue-ribbon commission headed by civil rights attorney Constance L. Rice is still studying the scandal.

The city was sued more than 200 times, mostly by drug dealers, gang members and other criminals who said they had been framed, shot, beaten or otherwise mistreated by the police.

All but eight of the suits have been resolved, according to city lawyers. The expected expenditures in the eight cases are included in the $70 million, said Jennifer Roth Krieger, chief financial and administrative officer in the city attorney's office.

Despite the criminal backgrounds of many of the plaintiffs, city lawyers concluded when reviewing the records of the officers involved that more than three-fourths of the cases were too risky to let them proceed to trial.

"When you have a problem officer, it's very difficult to go forward," said Chief Deputy City Atty. Terree A. Bowers. "This has got to be a wake-up call for the city. It could have been worse."

The payout total was considerably less than the $125 million projected by then-City Atty. James K. Hahn in the early days of the scandal.

In the cases that resulted in payouts, the average settlement was $400,000. For many of the plaintiffs, the newfound riches have translated into luxury automobiles, large homes and investments in the stock market.

Convicted felon Roberto Candido, one of the plaintiffs, received an $860,000 settlement in 2000. He said the windfall inspired a spiritual awakening.

"I'm not telling you I'm a saint, but I'm trying to get closer to God," he told The Times. "I know he does everything for a reason, and I know I've got to repay him."

In all, 30 people have received settlements of $500,000 or more. In many of those cases, the LAPD had exonerated some or all of the officers involved before the city attorney decided to settle.

The Rampart scandal began in September 1999 when Officer Rafael Perez pleaded guilty to charges that he had stolen three kilos of cocaine from LAPD evidence facilities.

In exchange for a five-year sentence, he promised to tell authorities about a case in 1996 in which he and his partner shot a young Javier Francisco Ovando then planted a gun on him to justify the shooting. Perez also pledged to identify other corrupt police.

In the end, he and seven other officers from the Rampart Division's CRASH "” Community Resources Against Street Hoodlums "” anti-gang unit were convicted of corruption-related offenses as a result of information he brought to light. A judge overturned three of the convictions on procedural grounds.

Bowers of the city attorney's office said one of the main lessons learned from Rampart was the need to identify and track problem officers.

To that end, he said, the office's lawyers must now inform him of any instance in which they believe that a police officer has lied or committed other misconduct. Bowers then sends that information directly to the police chief, which has happened fewer than 10 times since 2001, he said.

The largest settlement, for $15 million, was paid in 2000 to Ovando, a member of the 18th Street gang whom the shooting left paralyzed.

He had been sentenced to 23 years in prison after Perez and Officer Nino Durden testified against him in court, insisting that he had been armed. His conviction was eventually overturned.

On Wednesday, city leaders hailed the development as good news for both taxpayers and the victims of police abuse.

"The reality is, regardless of who the plaintiffs were, there was evidence of wrongdoing. That's what we had to recognize," said Councilwoman Cindy Miscikowski, chairwoman of the council's Public Safety Committee. "Civil rights are civil rights, and they apply to everyone across the board."

Councilman Jack Weiss said it was premature to "close the books" on the Rampart scandal.

"It doesn't mean that when the ink is dried on the last check that the department has been cured," he said, while adding that he was pleased at the litigation's resolution. He said he eagerly awaited the findings of Rice's independent panel.

Attorney Gregory Yates, who won nearly $20 million in settlements for his clients in Rampart-related cases, said he was disappointed that none of the major lawsuits went to trial in front of a jury.

A trial, he said, "would have exposed how massive and widespread the corruption was."

He called the settlements part of the city attorney's strategy to "sweep this under the rug."

The city dragged the cases on for so long that many of his clients were "worn down" and simply settled to get the matters resolved, Yates said.

"The net result is the city got these settlements without letting the truth come out," he said. "That's the bottom line."

His disappointment was shared by others.

"For the victims and the city, it's a good thing to have it resolved," said Duke University law professor Erwin Chemerinsky, who has studied the Rampart scandal. "But there is also a loss here that we didn't learn things that we might have, had we had a trial."

Rice called it smart to settle from both the city's and the plaintiffs' perspective. City officials do not want the publicity that would accompany a trial, she said, and the victims probably realize that public outrage over the scandal has dissipated.

"It's a gamble for both sides to go forward," she said.

She also believes that trials might have shed more light on the corruption.

"What's stunning to me is how little the city really knows about Rampart," she said. "How far did it go? Did it spread to other divisions?"
Copyright 2005 Los Angeles Times

Note: None of the beneficiaries receiving megabucks in court settlements in the "Rampart Scandal" for damages of the multiple civil lawsuits for redress are Black people....because they are all Hispanic. Many of the Hispanic gang members are in fact convicted felons.

Heck the truly innocent from within the Black community don't stand a prayer of a chance because instead of truly serving the best interests of the Black community, too many of our own Black elected leadership, and/or so-called Black civil attorneys, play games, side with the perpetrators, are truly incompetent, etc. This activity, as depicted by the "Rampart Scandal" has been going on for decades within the Black community, yet the Black community, and/or our own no good Black elected leadership continues to "Hang Itself" by begging for peanuts in "Social Welfare" or "AFDC" benefits, "Playing the Race Card", "Siding with the Truly Criminal Instead of the Truly Innocent", etc.

Heck, should you petition your own Black elected leadership, and/or other individuals in positions of influence, for activity as expressed by the many wrongs in the "Rampart Scandal" instead of being competently represented, that misfit mindset that just as surely as the sun shines, exists within Black America's own so called university educated or otherwise, may result in one of these misfits from within our own community summoning the policing authorities to arrest you. Arrested for what???.....your only crime being exercising your respective State or U.S. Constitutional rights to protest or seek redress for the wrongs of a government seriously gone awry.


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Owwww ... Mikey Lofton ... Your posts make my head hurt ...
by Kweli4Real

...and by the way its Michael Lofton, not Mikey.

Mighty funny how, justified or not, the blame is directed at Caucasians, Ward Connerly, Condoleeza Rice, Clarence Thomas, Larry Elder, me, even when the wrongdoing is due to the disgracefulness of that truly misfit set of Black America, and in these instances, it seems no one has the need to complain of having that headache.

...and there are other Black people of similar mindset, as to the typical Black elected leadership, and deceitful activity that goes on within the Black community!

When the facts as alleged are warranted and the perpetrators are in fact Black people, some of the so-called Black middle class or otherwise, make excuses, dodge the controversy, play games, make like they have a headache, say it's time to take some aspirin, etc.
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Originally posted by SistahSouljah:
Do you think America is ready for a Black president, and if so, what are the chances that we'll see one in the next 20 years?

Peace and Blessings,

I think it's irrelevant whether or not America is ready. It's long over due. How do you "get" America ready any how? When has this country truly been "ready" for what Black people have to offer.

However, I'm not naive, I agree that if it were to happen, having a Black president would have to be just a skin color issue. Because the job description would require that person to serve the needs of the majority (read white folks). Plus, Black people can't agree on what it is that we need anyway. But even if Clarence Thomas or someone of that ilk were to win the Presidency, the imagery itself would be enough to give most folks a heart attack. And for that reason it's still a good idea. Helps to destroy "some" of the unconscious negative images we have.

Then I would say that at some point Black people will have to decide whether or not we will function as a "people" or function as integrated individuals.

When will we see a Black president?. I've learned over the years that prophecy isn't always my strong suit. Therefore, the real question for me, is will Black people ever be ready with a concrete plan to take advantage of whatever opportunities await us regardless of whomever rises to power? Wink

Whenever we talk about whether America is ready for anything it invariably means are white folks ready. I believe we will see a Black president in our lifetime and he or she is likely to be a moderate to conservative republican. White folks have to feel "safe" to elect a Black person for president. So, this Black person will be someone who will simply maintain the status quo which means maintaining the white male dominated power structure. At any rate Black folks won't benefit in any substantive way regardless of the president's skin color. tfro

Originally posted by Kweli4Real:
Yep! He's baaaacckkkk. Kweli4Real

....and that is the beauty of exercising the freedom of expression, or exercising your rights as a U.S. citizen.

You can go anywhere, anytime, be it to contact the President of the United States, posting on "Protest Warrior", "", writing an article in the Los Angeles Times, contacting the New York Times, petitioning the mayor in behalf of yourself or anyone else, etc......

....and even exercising the freedom of expression to rebutt or question any information that may be misleading!


Michael Lofton
My understanding is that we have already had 5--

Thomas Jefferson
Andrew Jackson
Abraham Lincoln
Warren Harding
Calvin Coolidge

Joel A. Rogers and Dr. Auset Bakhufu have both written books documenting that at least five former presidents of the United States had Black people among their ancestors. If one considers the fact that European men far outnumbered European women during the founding of this country, and that the rape and impregnation of an African female slave was not considered a crime, it is even more surprising that these two authors could not document Black ancestors among an ever larger number of former presidents. The president's names include Thomas Jefferson, Andrew Jackson, Abraham Lincoln, Warren Harding, and Calvin Coolidge.

The best case for Black ancestry is against Warren G. Harding, our 29th president from 1921 until 1923. Harding himself never denied his ancestry. When Republican leaders called on Harding to deny the "Negro" history, he said, "How should I know whether or not one of my ancestors might have jumped the fence." William Chancellor, a White professor of economics and politics at Wooster College in Ohio, wrote a book on the Harding family genealogy and identified Black ancestors among both parents of President Harding. Justice Department agents allegedly bought and destroyed all copies of this book. Chancellor also said that Harding's only academic credentials included education at Iberia College, which was founded in order to educate fugitive slaves.

Andrew Jackson was our 7th president from 1829 to 1837. The Virginia Magazine of History Volume 29 says that Jackson was the son of a White woman from Ireland who had intermarried with a Negro. The magazine also said that his eldest brother had been sold as a slave in Carolina. Joel Rogers says that Andrew Jackson Sr. died long before President Andrew Jackson Jr. was born. He says the president's mother then went to live on the Crawford farm where there were Negro slaves and that one of these men was Andrew Jr's father. Another account of the "brother sold into slavery" story can be found in David Coyle's book entitled "Ordeal of the Presidency" (1960).

Thomas Jefferson was our 3rd president from 1801 to 1809. The chief attack on Jefferson was in a book written by Thomas Hazard in 1867 called "The Johnny Cake Papers." Hazard interviewed Paris Gardiner, who said he was present during the 1796 presidential campaign, when one speaker states that Thomas Jefferson was "a mean-spirited son of a half-breed Indian squaw and a Virginia mulatto father." In his book entitled "The Slave Children of Thomas Jefferson," Samuel Sloan wrote that Jefferson destroyed all of the papers, portraits, and personal effects of his mother, Jane Randolph Jefferson, when she died on March 31, 1776. He even wrote letters to every person who had ever received a letter from his mother, asking them to return that letter. Sloan says, "There is something strange and even psychopathic about the lengths to which Thomas Jefferson went to destroy all remembrances of his mother, while saving over 18,000 copies of his own letters and other documents for posterity." One must ask, "What is it he was trying to hide?"

Abraham Lincoln was our 16th president from 1861 to 1865. J. A. Rogers quotes Lincoln's mother, Nancy Hanks, as saying that Abraham Lincoln was the illegitimate son of an African man. William Herndon, Lincoln's law partner, said that Lincoln had very dark skin and coarse hair and that his mother was from an Ethiopian tribe. In Herndon's book entitled "The Hidden Lincoln" he says that Thomas Lincoln could not have been Abraham Lincoln's father because he was sterile from childhood mumps and was later castrated. Lincoln's presidential opponents made cartoon drawings depicting him as a Negro and nicknamed him "Abraham Africanus the First."

Calvin Coolidge was our 30th president, and he succeeded Warren Harding. He proudly admitted that his mother was dark because of mixed Indian ancestry. However, Dr. Bakhufu says that by 1800 the New England Indian was hardly any longer pure Indian, because they had mixed so often with Blacks. Calvin Coolidge's mother's maiden name was "Moor." In Europe the name "Moor" was given to all Black people just as the name Negro was used in America.

All of the presidents mentioned were able to pass for White and never acknowledged their Black ancestry. Millions of other children who were descendants of former slaves have also been able to pass for White. American society has had so much interracial mixing that books such as "The Bell Curve", discussing IQ evaluations based solely on race, are totally unrealistic.

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