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Are Blacks MORE compassionate, though, I'd say no.


Other than SUBJECTIVE OPINIONS, how would you go about taking measure of these elements in an ENTIRE RACE OF PEOPLE?

The question is IMPOSSIBLE to answer.

All people, black and white have a WIDE ARRAY of life experiences that shape them. The conclusions that come from such a question will be near completely SUBJECTIVE.
>Are We Nice?

One can't generalize, but my personals experience: Yes.
First, you accept white members on a Black message board (and for this I am very thankful). Smile
My personal experience in America: When I had problems, it was always with white people. I don't know the reason, I can't tell you the difference, but it was that way. Because of them I made the decision not to immigrate to the U.S.
The African Americans I met in real life were somehow more honest and not so superficial like whites (only my personal experience)
The same on internet. Message boards with a majority of whites (regardless American or German message boards) are not to endure
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Originally posted by Constructive Feedback:
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Are Blacks MORE compassionate, though, I'd say no.


Other than SUBJECTIVE OPINIONS, how would you go about taking measure of these elements in an ENTIRE RACE OF PEOPLE?

The question is IMPOSSIBLE to answer.

All people, black and white have a WIDE ARRAY of life experiences that shape them. The conclusions that come from such a question will be near completely SUBJECTIVE.


See what I mean, Huey?? laugh

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Originally posted by MBM:
Uh, yeah - I'd say we are compassionate. If not, we'd have torn down what was left of this country a hundred years ago after the reign of slave revolts and the poisonings of massa and his family and rebellions throughout the slave states.


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Well alrighty then, MBM!! 1
My personal interaction with Black people includes Fijians, Sri Lankans, Africans, Maori's & Indigenous Australians as well as African Americans and I don't know any of them 'en-masse'. I don't like assigning certain traits in a monolithic way coz I don't view the world that way... in my experience it depends on the individual and the dynamics. From the people I've met in person, compassionate, yes certainly.

Is it (compassion) a detriment? I think there are a lot of different answers to that. It can empower and strengthen some people and help them grow - IMO it comes down to the individual.
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Well, I hear what you're saying, FireFly ... but, there are also other considerations with which this subject can also be dealt with as a whole.

For one is the case that MBM beings up. Black people, as a people, have things we have to deal with. We did not take the freedom we were granted and turn around and try to do to them what they did to us. That is compassion. Things like our fight for civil rights that we now sit around and watch other groups use to their advantage ... while they ask for our help, rarely do they offer any to us when we need it. Yet, we don't go out and try to derail their efforts. I think that is compassion, too. And things like trying to understand that the Iraq war is not really our fight ... yet, we are disproportionately asked to give up our children to it. We do not snatch our children up and tell the gov't to go to hell! That, too, could be a compassionate trait within us.

So, I'm not asking about individual niceties here. I know nice people of every race, creed and color! Smile But, this goes more along the lines of whether we as a people are too accepting of things we shouldn't accept. And whether or not that works in our favor or against us.
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Originally posted by EbonyRose:
Well, I hear what you're saying, FireFly ... but, there are also other considerations with which this subject can also be dealt with as a whole.

But, this goes more along the lines of whether we as a people are too accepting of things we shouldn't accept. And whether or not that works in our favor or against us.



Understood, ER although I wasn't trying to be superficial or disrespectful - I was speaking on a personal, everyday micro level - individual or community level - which is the only opportunity a lot of people have to 'fight for right' on their own turf.

"goes more along the lines of whether we as a people are too accepting of things we shouldn't accept".

I can't comment with any authority or experience on what is happening in the US on a broader macro level, and who is doing what behind the scenes, however I don't know if everyone is 'accepting' - I see one of the main current problems everywhere, but particularly in the US (the inventor of electronic media) as being the lack of opportunity for anyone not following the 'status quo' to have a 'voice' individually or, more importantly, collectively - particularly in the media and, (I am guessing) a lack of ongoing formal or public debate about issues that affect all areas of the black community. The media really is an electronic whorehouse, and has to stand accountable.

The media gives a false sense of 'authority' to everything it covers, in the minds of broader population in much the same way that any old crap - once published and printed in the form of a book - becomes 'authentic' merely by its being printed and sold in bookstores.

To speak historically, culturally, African Americans are without doubt loving, generous, compassionate people that deserve recognition, repartations, and a voice and a presence in government politics and policy. And so much more. Compassionate 'to a fault'? Yes and no.
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Originally posted by listener:
there was also no revenge in South Africa


Actually there has been no mass killing/genocide of European/whites by non-European/whites around the world (during liberation movements of all kinds)where white patriarchal supremacy and neo-colinization is still in effect. Even Ida Amin just told the Asians to leave.

BUT there has been GLOBAL MASS murders/genocides of non-European/whites by European/whites in an effort to dominate. (Even European/white males committed mass killings of European/white females in an effort to dominate)

I think Indo-European culture is exclusionary and everyone elses culture(non-Indo-Europeans) is more inclusionary, with African culture being on the most inclusionary end of that spectrum.

Compassion and empathy wouldn't be a detriment in a balanced world, but considering the imbalanced state the world is in, they both can be weaknesses, and they can be exploited.
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Originally posted by FireFly:
The media gives a false sense of 'authority' to everything it covers, in the minds of broader population in much the same way that any old crap - once published and printed in the form of a book - becomes 'authentic' merely by its being printed and sold in bookstores.


Absolutely, Firefly! tfro

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Originally posted by listener:
there was also no revenge in South Africa


Exactly, listener ...

And with there being so many more Blacks than Whites in SA ... it could have gotten really ugly there! Roll Eyes But it didn't. Smile

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Originally posted by Oshun Auset:
Compassion and empathy wouldn't be a detriment in a balanced world, but considering the imbalanced state the world is in, they both can be weaknesses, and they can be exploited.


Amen!! tfro
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Originally posted by FireFly:
My personal interaction with Black people includes Fijians, Sri Lankans, Africans, Maori's & Indigenous Australians as well as African Americans and I don't know any of them 'en-masse'. I don't like assigning certain traits in a monolithic way coz I don't view the world that way... in my experience it depends on the individual and the dynamics. From the people I've met in person, compassionate, yes certainly.

Is it (compassion) a detriment? I think there are a lot of different answers to that. It can empower and strengthen some people and help them grow - IMO it comes down to the individual.
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I hear what you're saying FireFly (and you too The Listener).

But, just a pet peeve of mine, FireFly, I'm not sure I would say that Fijans, Sri Lankans, Maoris and Australian Aboriginees are "Black" in the same way that Africans and African-Americans are.

They are dark brown-skinned, but culturally, linguistically and genetically they're in a grouping of their own. They're more related to indigenous Pacific Islanders and Native Americans in the southern part of South America. Even facially, many of them have non-Black features that are closer to Asiatic peoples and Amerindians.

Sorry, just a pet peeve of mine. Red Face
Interesting.... I was having this same conversation with my father this morning.

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Generally speaking ... Would you describe Black people as a "compassionate people?"


Yes, I'd say so.

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If so, would you say that it is more of an asset or a detriment to us as a people?


An asset. It makes us better people.

I wasn't sure how to answer until I read this...
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Originally posted by Oshun Auset:
I think Indo-European culture is exclusionary and everyone elses culture(non-Indo-Europeans) is more inclusionary, with African culture being on the most inclusionary end of that spectrum.

I 100% agree.

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Compassion and empathy wouldn't be a detriment in a balanced world, but considering the imbalanced state the world is in, they both can be weaknesses, and they can be exploited.

I agree with this also... to a point. Compassion and empathy are tools that not only can and should be used for the benefit of those around us... but also for ourselves. Like any other form of strength, it carries with it the responsibility to use that strength wisely. If not... it becomes a weakness.
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Compassion and empathy wouldn't be a detriment in a balanced world, but considering the imbalanced state the world is in, they both can be weaknesses, and they can be exploited.


It becomes personal, so if you are not interest in it, don't read it;-)
In general, one can consider it as weakness (when hate and aggression is considered as 'strength').
I don't know, only my own thoughts, for the individual real empathy is the chance to remain human within an inhuman world. My first real experience with an African American was my uncle (related by marriage). We visited him when I was 16. Never in my life, neither before or later, I met such an outstanding human gratitude, and he would have had any reason to hate whites. He has influenced my life very deeply. I know, he is only one out of millions, I can't generalize this experience, nonetheless, he is my personal example for human values.
And whenever I was in America and regardless where, hate was always white. I can remember this white little towns or some white suburbs, alone the hateful atmosphere there td6 Whites don't have a community and if, then it's only a hateful one.
Then this 'phenomenon' in many inner-cities, when it's getting dark, all whites suddenly 'disappear', fleeing. As a German I am not used to it, so my sister and I where quite often 'left alone' in then Black-only areas at night. Nonetheless, I never experienced any aggression or hate from Black people in these situations. Don't know, perhaps I always met the wrong whites and right Blacks, but this was my experience in this strange country called America.
Yes, 'we' are nice.

The 'we' I speak of is the group that are African Americans.

We embrace and protect (provide safe haven) for all people of African ancestry, sometimes when not 'law-abiding'.

We enable our social and political currency to be used by all such persons as their own, and...

at their personal discretion...

and typically without challenge.

We, African American-Americans, similarly provide assistance to immigrant Europeans, Asians, and others.

We have always, in my experience, provided safe haven for all the people of American Nations, as needed, and for as long as needed.

We are nice.

I like us.

I love us.

PEACE

Jim Chester
I don't think we're any more or less "nice" than any other group of people. Given our history in this country, I think AfAms, in many instances, carry a greater sense of resilience and compassion than might be readily evident in other groups of people.

...but then again, I haven't lived the cultural hardships of other ethic groups in America, so there's room for debate on this.
I would say that Africans in Africa would have to be some of the most compassionate people, despite the distressing situation there. Just about every other nation on earth has gain something from Africa, but it hardly has anything to show for it.Some nations would have gone to war to protect outsiders from robbing and exploiting them the way it is done in Africa.But Africans have stayed pretty calm and have mostly turned their anger and fustration on one another rather than others.
Some nations would have gone to war to protect outsiders from robbing and exploiting them the way it is done in Africa.But Africans have stayed pretty calm and have mostly turned their anger and fustration on one another rather than others.---cyjpress

I don't think that is a demonstration of compassion.

It's something, but not compassion.

Maybe powerlessness?

Maybe defeated?

It is certainly regrettable.


PEACE

Jim Chester

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